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OT but WV related.

my brother is an MD.. he doesn't get any kickbacks that I'm aware of.. so should I not follow his advice on medical matters?

agree w/ your point that they shouldn't be able to get royalties for their recommendations, at that point they are just a paid product spokesperson and we all know not to blindly accept what they are pitching.. There should be laws against this type of shit :)


I've seen experts like Scott Gottlieb and others debate plenty on social media.. And, my doctor isn't even on social media so how do I know what he tells me is right? I ultimately don't...but I value his perspective because of his expertise.. I ultimately get to decide myself whether or not I follow his medical guidance.....same with car repair guy or apple Genius Bar guy.. but on balance they are considered 'experts' in their field for a reason and I am probably better to error on following their advice on certain topics

You're going to go with that a lot of Doctors weren't silenced? Did you dig through China lockdown thread?
 
Experts were not allowed to debate on Social Media. Only those that agreed with the Narrative.

Dig through this. It explains a lot.

wait.. that twitter link is the basis of your 'research'?
Definitely not a Conspiracy Theroy. Perfected it would be an understatement. The CCP is pretty good at it too. Hence why I have posted numerous articles on them buying into our media and using Social Media. So it's not just one group.
re: Operation Mockingbird.. not new news or a surprise that governments (and private companies) try to spin the narrative to fit their cause.. that is SOP and has been for a long time.. fortunately, we have whistleblowers and checks and balances built into our system to help expose a lot of it.. unfortunately we have a large portion of society who is gullible and lacks the critical thinking skills to discern what to agree with and what not to..

I will say I think it is a major issue in society that it is very difficult to know what is true and not true.. there is so much information available, and from so many sources, vs. how it was in the 'old days' when people (blindly) trusted the 'media' .. and probably this is a good thing because it makes it harder for gov't or anyone else to completely control the narrative because there is no way to completely control all sources of information or media
 
Did you skip over the position she holds? It's the Fox guarding the hen house.
yes I missed that connection.. I thought the comment was about her saying she had to remind him to take care of himself, etc. and that people were actually making fun of that, like he was some feeble old man who couldn't do it himself.. I agree we can't have the fox guarding the hen house but I don't think she was solely responsible for that was she? and in general, I choose to believe Fauci by and large is a decent human being trying to do the right thing to the extent he could
 
wait.. that twitter link is the basis of your 'research'?

re: Operation Mockingbird.. not new news or a surprise that governments (and private companies) try to spin the narrative to fit their cause.. that is SOP and has been for a long time.. fortunately, we have whistleblowers and checks and balances built into our system to help expose a lot of it.. unfortunately we have a large portion of society who is gullible and lacks the critical thinking skills to discern what to agree with and what not to..

I will say I think it is a major issue in society that it is very difficult to know what is true and not true.. there is so much information available, and from so many sources, vs. how it was in the 'old days' when people (blindly) trusted the 'media' .. and probably this is a good thing because it makes it harder for gov't or anyone else to completely control the narrative because there is no way to completely control all sources of information or media

It's footage and information coming out of China. Are you seriously not smart enough to go through it and connect some dots? I guess you could just follow their State Sponsored Accounts?
 
You're going to go with that a lot of Doctors weren't silenced? Did you dig through China lockdown thread?
I choose to not go down the internet rat hole of that thread.. I am not naïve to the issue of conspiracies, and I believe they exist (i.e., I personally doubt the Oswald lone gunman theory)... but I also think it is difficult for any one group to control the global media or global set of private companies who are involved in something this large
 
yes I missed that connection.. I thought the comment was about her saying she had to remind him to take care of himself, etc. and that people were actually making fun of that, like he was some feeble old man who couldn't do it himself.. I agree we can't have the fox guarding the hen house but I don't think she was solely responsible for that was she? and in general, I choose to believe Fauci by and large is a decent human being trying to do the right thing to the extent he could


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It's going to be a long year for you then.
 
It's footage and information coming out of China. Are you seriously not smart enough to go through it and connect some dots? I guess you could just follow their State Sponsored Accounts?
I guess I'll just have to live with the fact that I am not smart enough.. We all have the free will to believe what we believe.. you go with yours, I'll go with mine
 
I choose to not go down the internet rat hole of that thread.. I am not naïve to the issue of conspiracies, and I believe they exist (i.e., I personally doubt the Oswald lone gunman theory)... but I also think it is difficult for any one group to control the global media or global set of private companies who are involved in something this large

It's not one group. It's many. Propaganda tug of war that between the highest bidder and ideology types. Several Governments and groups involved.
 
It's not one group. It's many. Propaganda tug of war that between the highest bidder and ideology types. Several Governments and groups involved.
so who should one trust as the source of the truth then? Fox News? Tucker? one's own internet research? Q?
 
I guess I'll just have to live with the fact that I am not smart enough.. We all have the free will to believe what we believe.. you go with yours, I'll go with mine

Ok don't research or listen to anyone who has worked in the system. Watch Morning Joe. He will tell you what you want to hear.
 
If you get your medical suggestions off of Twitter, that's your first problem. I'd rather people ask their family physician or local pharmacist for suggestions. They don't read Twitter. They read medical journals. I guess if it's the Twitter account of an actual expert that might be an exception. Like if the head of infectious disease at a major hospital had a Twitter account. That might be okay.

That's what blows my mind about all of this. Why would you trust a platform where any idiot can post nonsense without a review from an actual medical expert?

As for masks, I think some logical nuance is needed. If its summer and there aren't a lot of community infections, masks are silly. If it's the week after Christmas and everybody is sick, maybe wear masks for a few weeks until cases decrease. If you are sick, don't be a dick and just wear a mask when in public. I don't understand why this is controversial.
Let’s get real. Twitter accounts from well respected ID’s which linked peer reviewed
Studies were buried by the media. Some lost their jobs for actually doing sound research and releasing their findings. Our gov. Suppressed data that would have changed opinions and the political responses.

As far as trusting your local health care providers, I think your posting”s make it clear that bias exists at every level. I posted during the early days of this that my ID friends were being told to stay quiet. I am blessed to have real experts that helped my family through this. My local HCP’s were all 100% wrong
 
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The "paper" surgical masks are better than cloth. In the beginning, they were effective against the alpha strain of the virus. As it mutated, the viral load needed to lead to infection drastically decreased. And by the time the Omicron variants came around and they were considerably less effective. So in 2020-21 cloth masks were fine, now not as much. I'd wear one of the N95/KN95 type of masks if you want protection against the current strains.
So you are saying the virus became smaller as they mutated and that is why the masks don’t work now? In a couple more mutations we will have to live in bubble to stay safe.
 
you believe the government is literally controlling the media? but only parts of the media right? i.e., the parts you don't agree with in terms of their narrative.. and is there a whole government department (deep state?) who shows up to work everyday to tell the media what to promote? Do they control just the traditional media (tv, newspapers, magazines) or are they also controlling the digital media too? And does their control stop at the US borders or do they control the global media? how do they pull the wool over shareholders and boards of these public and global media companies? How does Murdoch resist this control when others don't?

That is some impressive level gov't control you are talking about..

it's almost like Russia where the media is actually state controlled..
I think it’s a labor of love from the media. Most of them are more progressive than the politicians. What’s funny is everyone on the far left coin a phrase all at the same time and start using it on the airwaves. It’s quite a coincidence.
 
my brother is an MD.. he doesn't get any kickbacks that I'm aware of.. so should I not follow his advice on medical matters?

agree w/ your point that they shouldn't be able to get royalties for their recommendations, at that point they are just a paid product spokesperson and we all know not to blindly accept what they are pitching.. There should be laws against this type of shit :)


I've seen experts like Scott Gottlieb and others debate plenty on social media.. And, my doctor isn't even on social media so how do I know what he tells me is right? I ultimately don't...but I value his perspective because of his expertise.. I ultimately get to decide myself whether or not I follow his medical guidance.....same with car repair guy or apple Genius Bar guy.. but on balance they are considered 'experts' in their field for a reason and I am probably better to error on following their advice on certain topics
Practicing MD’s don’t get kickbacks anymore. 30 years ago it could be debated they accepted gifts from Pharma that could sway their medical opinion. Not anymore. Research MD’s are a different animal. Their research depends on Gov funding most of the time. They make sure they comply or they are out of funding.
 
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So you are saying the virus became smaller as they mutated and that is why the masks don’t work now?
No. Again, the viral load needed to pass the infection from one person to the next is dramatically lower in the Omicron varient than in previous ones.
 
my brother is an MD.. he doesn't get any kickbacks that I'm aware of.. so should I not follow his advice on medical matters?

agree w/ your point that they shouldn't be able to get royalties for their recommendations, at that point they are just a paid product spokesperson and we all know not to blindly accept what they are pitching.. There should be laws against this type of shit :)


I've seen experts like Scott Gottlieb and others debate plenty on social media.. And, my doctor isn't even on social media so how do I know what he tells me is right? I ultimately don't...but I value his perspective because of his expertise.. I ultimately get to decide myself whether or not I follow his medical guidance.....same with car repair guy or apple Genius Bar guy.. but on balance they are considered 'experts' in their field for a reason and I am probably better to error on following their advice on certain topics
Nothing in my opinion is wrong with your approach because nothing is being mandated. You’re being provided choice.
 
No. Again, the viral load needed to pass the infection from one person to the next is dramatically lower in the Omicron varient than in previous ones.
Thanks. Now apply that to various masks and other intangible aspects of mask wearing. A well fitted N95 is all someone needs for protection. No need for everyone to wear a cheap mask and wear them in a manner that renders them ineffective. If you need to wear a mask. Do it RIGHT.
 

This is the party that Jimmy supports now. So that's one Liberal willing to talk about it.


The Movement for a People's Party (MPP), also known simply as the People's Party, is a progressive political organization in the United States aimed at "forming a major new political party free of corporate money and influence".[4]

They tried to recruit Bernie however in this video he does call him out.
 
This is the party that Jimmy supports now. So that's one Liberal willing to talk about it.


The Movement for a People's Party (MPP), also known simply as the People's Party, is a progressive political organization in the United States aimed at "forming a major new political party free of corporate money and influence".[4]

They tried to recruit Bernie however in this video he does call him out.

Maybe the far left supporters should watch this. I don't support their solutions to what's wrong but I can respect he is willing to call it out.
 
what's your definition of liberal? I think you might consider me a liberal because I believe in certain things like freedom of choice (abortion), freedom to love and legally marry (via civil marriage, not religious) whomever I want, ability for certain types of weapons to be restricted from individual ownership (machine guns, bazookas, tanks)...and that centralized government has some role to play in society with the functions being funded via taxes and used for the purported benefit of all (i.e., military, highways, Air Traffic Control, Medicare, FDA, EPA, National Parks, etc) even though by definition these services might fit the 'socialism' definition...

are those things insane? to me, the extremes of both ends of the spectrum are exactly that...the extremes.. I think most people are somewhere in the middle.. personally I have voted for both republicans and democrats in my life but lately have been leaning more democrat because I think the GOP has catered more to it's extreme element the last 10 years or so.. I would consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal.. over-simplifying here but I would guess ~60% are in that middle range.. ~20% far left, ~20% far right.. and those are the ones we hear the most from so they get the most attention
Yep. Liberal
 
what's your definition of liberal?
I don’t consider myself a liberal.

I supported the overturn of Roe because I believe in the decision belongs with the people to decide if it’s something that should be allowed, not the courts. I supported it being returned to the states to decide and states should put it on the ballot.

I also support same sex marriage and the legal protections that affords the couple. I don’t believe they should be able to force someone to support or forced to take part in their marriage. Churches shouldn’t be required to marry them. Churches can voluntarily do it.

That all said, I’d classify a liberal as one who lists social issues as their top issues as you seem to have led off with here. I don’t and wouldn’t put social issues in my top 5 issues I vote on.
 
what's your definition of liberal? I think you might consider me a liberal because I believe in certain things like freedom of choice (abortion), freedom to love and legally marry (via civil marriage, not religious) whomever I want, ability for certain types of weapons to be restricted from individual ownership (machine guns, bazookas, tanks)...and that centralized government has some role to play in society with the functions being funded via taxes and used for the purported benefit of all (i.e., military, highways, Air Traffic Control, Medicare, FDA, EPA, National Parks, etc) even though by definition these services might fit the 'socialism' definition...

are those things insane? to me, the extremes of both ends of the spectrum are exactly that...the extremes.. I think most people are somewhere in the middle.. personally I have voted for both republicans and democrats in my life but lately have been leaning more democrat because I think the GOP has catered more to it's extreme element the last 10 years or so.. I would consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal.. over-simplifying here but I would guess ~60% are in that middle range.. ~20% far left, ~20% far right.. and those are the ones we hear the most from so they get the most attention

That's a speech, I have to keep an eye out for deer to shoot, mine won't be as long.

I agree with most of your's, except marriage is a religious construct and has no business being defined by government. Civil unions is what the feds should define, and either get married or not in the church of your choice.

I don't think you realize how batshit crazy progressives have went. It's far beyond 20%, or they control everything important with that 20%.
 
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yes I missed that connection.. I thought the comment was about her saying she had to remind him to take care of himself, etc. and that people were actually making fun of that, like he was some feeble old man who couldn't do it himself.. I agree we can't have the fox guarding the hen house but I don't think she was solely responsible for that was she? and in general, I choose to believe Fauci by and large is a decent human being trying to do the right thing to the extent he could
He cut out dogs vocal cords so they would cry as flies ate them.

 
He lost me when he started on what weapons I should be allowed to own. Personally I think the tax stamp needs to go away.
should citizens be able to own tanks? nukes? I'm being extreme to argue a point, I realize.. but if we agree the gov't has some role to play in regulating certain things then where do you draw the line? Or do you prefer the gov't has no role in regulating anything and we all should be free to do whatever the hell we want? Why have laws at all then if they intrude on my rights?
 
That's a speech, I have to keep an eye out for deer to shoot, mine won't be as long.

I agree with most of your's, except marriage is a religious construct and has no business being defined by government. Civil unions is what the feds should define, and either get married or not in the church of your choice.

I don't think you realize how batshit crazy progressives have went. It's far beyond 20%, or they control everything important with that 20%.
the AOCs of the world are still the minority IMO.. and in terms of marriage, your definition would say an atheist or agnostic heterosexual couple was not allowed to legally be married? They could only have a civil union? Why should religion be the basis of our laws when by definition our system of gov't and laws is intended to be secular? What you are describing sounds closer to religious theocracy and more akin to ISIS, etc. :)

(ok, maybe I'm intentionally trying to trigger you now)
 
He cut out dogs vocal cords so they would cry as flies ate them.

should we eliminate all animal-based research or just those that have happened under Fauci?
 
the AOCs of the world are still the minority IMO.. and in terms of marriage, your definition would say an atheist or agnostic heterosexual couple was not allowed to legally be married? They could only have a civil union? Why should religion be the basis of our laws when by definition our system of gov't and laws is intended to be secular? What you are describing sounds closer to religious theocracy and more akin to ISIS, etc. :)

(ok, maybe I'm intentionally trying to trigger you now)

Married couples would have to have civil unions as well in order to be recognized by the feds. Why would an athiest want to be recognized by a church?
 
should citizens be able to own tanks? nukes? I'm being extreme to argue a point, I realize.. but if we agree the gov't has some role to play in regulating certain things then where do you draw the line? Or do you prefer the gov't has no role in regulating anything and we all should be free to do whatever the hell we want? Why have laws at all then if they intrude on my rights?
Citizens can own tanks. Tom Clancy had one.

Citizens can own Heavy Machine guns, explosives, etc. It’s regulated and in order to do so, you freely give up your right to privacy and have to allow the Feds the ability to search your residence.

As long as we follow the process to propose and pass laws, that’s fine. The courts act as a balance to ensure constitutionality of those laws.
 
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