OT but WV related.

[AlmostHeaven2021]

makes sense in terms of potential highest amount of germs, but obviously not the only places where germs are spread.. i.e., I travel a lot for work and hadn't worn a mask on planes since the day they dropped the requirement....until this week when traveling to visit my mom-in-law who is in her 80s, and because the covid/flu/rsv case rights are spiking lately and she worries about it, so I wanted to be considerate of her

truth is I only wore it this trip because my wife asked me to.. she took my freedom a long time ago so now I just generally comply with her policies because it's easier

That all makes sense for YOUR life and the things you are doing. Always key to make the wife happy, 😉.

I for one will not walking around a grocery with a mask ever again. I don’t live in fear, not the right way to live. If I die from Covid (extremely low chance), then that’s my choice but nobody is going to make me wear a mask against my will or make the choice for me. I’d move to North Korea if I wanted to be in a country of no freedom.

The people at risk should be taking care of themself and taking precautions, not telling healthy young people what to do with their lives. Plain and simple. Majority of people aren’t at risk… be considerate of that… it goes both ways.

If a Karen walked up to and said “put on a mask”, I’d say “you are too close to me, back away” and walk away.

 

[The Elf]

The "paper" surgical masks are better than cloth. In the beginning, they were effective against the alpha strain of the virus. As it mutated, the viral load needed to lead to infection drastically decreased. And by the time the Omicron variants came around and they were considerably less effective. So in 2020-21 cloth masks were fine, now not as much. I'd wear one of the N95/KN95 type of masks if you want protection against the current strains.

Thanks. When I said “paper” I guess I was actually referencing the cloth ones. The ones that come 100 in a box and all the the places requiring masks have sitting inside their door. They basically serve no purpose, but still cause someone to comply with these mandates.

 

[BUDmountain]

That all makes sense for YOUR life and the things you are doing. Always key to make the wife happy, 😉.

I for one will not walking around a grocery with a mask ever again. I don’t live in fear, not the right way to live. If I die from Covid (extremely low chance), then that’s my choice but nobody is going to make me wear a mask against my will or make the choice for me. I’d move to North Korea if I wanted to be in a country of no freedom.

The people at risk should be taking care of themself and taking precautions, not telling healthy young people what to do with their lives. Plain and simple. Majority of people aren’t at risk… be considerate of that… it goes both ways.

If a Karen walked up to and said “put on a mask”, I’d say “you are too close to me, back away” and walk away.

I don't wear masks either, at grocery store or anywhere else, for pretty much the same reasons you state.. and my inner self would probably intentionally cough on a Karen if she told me to put on a mask.. but that's just my personality (I don't like being told what to do either and often react the opposite just because)..

that all said.. I do wear seatbelts because it protects me and others.. I do wear clothes in public, which protects others more than me I guess.. are those choices I am free to make or are those things The Man is telling me I have to do?

 

[AlmostHeaven2021]

Oh, absolutely not. In fact, antivaxxing used to be a crazy liberal thing only.

Thats my point. You can’t look at the anti-covid people as nut cases, and not do the same for the original antivaxxers.

This country is about freedom and choices, with those choices come consequences. That’s the freedom and choice we have. I am not an antivaxxer and I do lean very right on certain things but I am strong believer vaccines shouldn’t be forced on anyone. It should be a choice, especially how new the covid vaccine is. The other vaccines have been around for a very long time and you typically only need one shot and you are good… right? Not all this booster shit. All the vaccines I got as a kid don’t require boosters.

$$$!

 

[AlmostHeaven2021]

I don't wear masks either, at grocery store or anywhere else, for pretty much the same reasons you state.. and my inner self would probably intentionally cough on a Karen if she told me to put on a mask.. but that's just my personality (I don't like being told what to do either and often react the opposite just because)..

that all said.. I do wear seatbelts because it protects me and others.. I do wear clothes in public, which protects others more than me I guess.. are those choices I am free to make or are those things The Man is telling me I have to do?

Nothing is stopping you from running around town naked. Is it against the law? Yes. Do we still have the choice to break the law? Yes.

This country is about freedom and choice, with choice comes consequences.

 

[jerzac]

The denizens of the Q Lot still think "mask evil" I guess? I don't keep up with or get exposed to far right conspiracy theorist thought anywhere other than here, so it's fascinating to see what they think every now and then. Do they still think "Fauci evil" and "vaccine evil" too?

Let me know when they get a vaccine! That’s not a vaccine and they continually have lied about it’s effectiveness. Also, yes, Fauci is a lying asshole. All facts, no conspiracy theories. People wonder why there is such a divide in this country. We have a bunch of left leaning sheep that refuse to admit certain things and totally ignore facts. When they get called out on it they use words like racist or conspiracy theory.

Some facts for you. There was gain of function research by Fauci. It is documented in emails that Fauci wanted to change the narrative. The vaccine is a bust. It went from protecting against infection to it may prevent you from being hospitalized.

 

[Gunny46]

This thread was moved to the OT Board. Everyone should support this being investigated.

 

[Gunny46]

Thread 'Gunny's Twitter Files: Episodes 1 through 10... covid files added today' https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....-1-through-10-covid-files-added-today.284829/

 

[BUDmountain]

Nothing is stopping you from running around town naked. Is it against the law? Yes. Do we still have the choice to break the law? Yes.

This country is about freedom and choice, with choice comes consequences.

true.. but nothing is stopping people from not quarantining or refusing to wear masks in Harpers Ferry or anywhere else as well.. It was more of a philosophical question or statement by me.. i.e., people react to the mask mandates more emotionally (you ain't taking my freedoms!) than they do other mandates or laws that also are designed to protect society at large

 

[TarHeelEer]

If your intent is to visit any attraction and spread flu, Covid, RSV, then thank you for staying home and keep your $$$

My intent is as always, act like a normal human being, and get sick on occassion-some of them bad, some not. That way my immune system keeps getting updated.

You dumbasses want to limit those opportunities, and make it astronomically worse when people get sick.

No Thatnks

 

[TarHeelEer]

true.. but nothing is stopping people from quarantining or refusing to wear masks in Harpers Ferry or anywhere else as well.. It was more of a philosophical question or statement by me.. i.e., people react to the mask mandates more emotionally (you ain't taking my freedoms!) than they do other mandates or laws that also are designed to protect society at large

I know it's really a head scratcher, but this endangers society, it doesn't protect it.

 

[BUDmountain]

Thread 'Gunny's Twitter Files: Episodes 1 through 10... covid files added today' https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....-1-through-10-covid-files-added-today.284829/

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you believe the government is literally controlling the media? but only parts of the media right? i.e., the parts you don't agree with in terms of their narrative.. and is there a whole government department (deep state?) who shows up to work everyday to tell the media what to promote? Do they control just the traditional media (tv, newspapers, magazines) or are they also controlling the digital media too? And does their control stop at the US borders or do they control the global media? how do they pull the wool over shareholders and boards of these public and global media companies? How does Murdoch resist this control when others don't?

That is some impressive level gov't control you are talking about..

it's almost like Russia where the media is actually state controlled..

 

[BUDmountain]

I know it's really a head scratcher, but this endangers society, it doesn't protect it.

I understand your point about natural immunity... but how do I know what the science says or what the medical truth actually is on that whole debate..

tbh I am not an expert in immunology or infectious diseases so I have no choice but to generally rely on the experts and their recommendations (same with an auto mechanic or apple Genius Bar employee, I choose to rely on them too for their expertise)

 

[Gunny46]

I understand your point about natural immunity... but how do I know what the science says or what the medical truth actually is on that whole debate..

tbh I am not an expert in immunology or infectious diseases so I have no choice but to generally rely on the experts and their recommendations (same with an auto mechanic or apple Genius Bar employee, I choose to rely on them too for their expertise)

Experts were not allowed to debate on Social Media. Only those that agreed with the Narrative.

Dig through this. It explains a lot.

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mobile.twitter.com

 

[TarHeelEer]

I understand your point about natural immunity... but how do I know what the science says or what the medical truth actually is on that whole debate..

tbh I am not an expert in immunology or infectious diseases so I have no choice but to generally rely on the experts and their recommendations (same with an auto mechanic or apple Genius Bar employee, I choose to rely on them too for their expertise)

When those "experts" are getting kickbacks in the way of royalties for use of their recommendations, they can GFT.

It's illegal for the auto mechanic to recommend Firestones, and receive money from Firestone.

 

[jerzac]

you believe the government is literally controlling the media? but only parts of the media right? i.e., the parts you don't agree with in terms of their narrative.. and is there a whole government department (deep state?) who shows up to work everyday to tell the media what to promote? Do they control just the traditional media (tv, newspapers, magazines) or are they also controlling the digital media too? And does their control stop at the US borders or do they control the global media? how do they pull the wool over shareholders and boards of these public and global media companies? How does Murdoch resist this control when others don't?

That is some impressive level gov't control you are talking about..

it's almost like Russia where the media is actually state controlled..

Yes….and it’s being proven. Go do a little research.

 

[TarHeelEer]

you believe the government is literally controlling the media? but only parts of the media right? i.e., the parts you don't agree with in terms of their narrative.. and is there a whole government department (deep state?) who shows up to work everyday to tell the media what to promote? Do they control just the traditional media (tv, newspapers, magazines) or are they also controlling the digital media too? And does their control stop at the US borders or do they control the global media? how do they pull the wool over shareholders and boards of these public and global media companies? How does Murdoch resist this control when others don't?

That is some impressive level gov't control you are talking about..

it's almost like Russia where the media is actually state controlled..

It's as if he's never heard of Operation Mockingbird, and don't think they've enhanced and perfected it from there.

 

[Gunny46]

you believe the government is literally controlling the media? but only parts of the media right? i.e., the parts you don't agree with in terms of their narrative.. and is there a whole government department (deep state?) who shows up to work everyday to tell the media what to promote? Do they control just the traditional media (tv, newspapers, magazines) or are they also controlling the digital media too? And does their control stop at the US borders or do they control the global media? how do they pull the wool over shareholders and boards of these public and global media companies? How does Murdoch resist this control when others don't?

That is some impressive level gov't control you are talking about..

it's almost like Russia where the media is actually state controlled..

Read through the Twitter Files. Decide for yourself. I would caution everybody else to ignore those trying to defend what's in them though. Definitely not my first experience with stuff like that going on.

 

[Shirley Knott]

The hospital and doctors office are only places I’ll wear a mask.

Anywhere else? They can kiss my ass.

Only if you wear a diaper...

 

[Gunny46]

It's as if he's never heard of Operation Mockingbird, and don't think they've enhanced and perfected it from there.

Definitely not a Conspiracy Theroy. Perfected it would be an understatement. The CCP is pretty good at it too. Hence why I have posted numerous articles on them buying into our media and using Social Media. So it's not just one group.

 

[Airport]

If your intent is to visit any attraction and spread flu, Covid, RSV, then thank you for staying home and keep your $$$

Please don't leave your home. Stupidity spreads too

 

[Gunny46]

It's as if he's never heard of Operation Mockingbird, and don't think they've enhanced and perfected it from there.

Once upon a time. Real Liberals would have supported all this being investigated.

 

[roadtrasheer]

Let me know when they get a vaccine! That’s not a vaccine and they continually have lied about it’s effectiveness. Also, yes, Fauci is a lying asshole. All facts, no conspiracy theories. People wonder why there is such a divide in this country. We have a bunch of left leaning sheep that refuse to admit certain things and totally ignore facts. When they get called out on it they use words like racist or conspiracy theory.

Some facts for you. There was gain of function research by Fauci. It is documented in emails that Fauci wanted to change the narrative. The vaccine is a bust. It went from protecting against infection to it may prevent you from being hospitalized.

Under the old definition of vaccine I could agree ( somewhat) to mandates. They actually stopped the spread of infections, this vaccine does not . I'm not a anti vaccine person I'm a not this pre treatment person .

 

[TarHeelEer]

Under the old definition of vaccine

And by old definition, you mean the one used until 2020, and then they changed the meaning for some reason?

 

[jerzac]

And by old definition, you mean the one used until 2020, and then they changed the meaning for some reason?

Yes, at around the same time they changed how inflation was calculated.

 

[roadtrasheer]

And by old definition, you mean the one used until 2020, and then they changed the meaning for some reason?

YES! What part of that did not scare the pee out of people?

 

[roadtrasheer]

Yes, at around the same time they changed how inflation was calculated.

As they told me this so called vaccine was good for me and I had to take it , the very same people was telling me losing money in my 401k and a gallon of gas at $ 5 bucks is a good thing ....but then again according to those same people boys can have babies...

 

[TarHeelEer]

As they told me this so called vaccine was good for me and I had to take it , the very same people was telling me losing money in my 401k and a gallon of gas at $ 5 bucks is a good thing ....but then again according to those same people boys can have babies...

Liberals are insane.

 

[Gunny46]

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[Gunny46]

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[Gunny46]

 

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[Gunny46]

Christine Grady, M.S.N., Ph.D. | Principal Investigators | NIH Intramural Research Program

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Christine Grady, M.S.N., Ph.D.​

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Well isn't that sweet. She likes taking care of him.

White House advisor Dr. Fauci works 20-hour days and his wife reminds him to eat, sleep and drink water

Christine Grady, wife to White House Advisor Anthony Fauci, says she's coping like just everyone else during this trying time. And she is doing her best to remind her husband to get rest, drink water and "be selective about what he agrees to" to maintain his own health as he tasked with giving...

www.google.com

 

[roadtrasheer]

Well isn't that sweet. She likes taking care of him.

White House advisor Dr. Fauci works 20-hour days and his wife reminds him to eat, sleep and drink water

Christine Grady, wife to White House Advisor Anthony Fauci, says she's coping like just everyone else during this trying time. And she is doing her best to remind her husband to get rest, drink water and "be selective about what he agrees to" to maintain his own health as he tasked with giving...

www.google.com

Can't make this stuff up .
Can't believe we as a whole has come to this . Democrats, Republicans and us independents need to come together and demand accountability.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

If you get your medical suggestions off of Twitter, that's your first problem. I'd rather people ask their family physician or local pharmacist for suggestions. They don't read Twitter. They read medical journals. I guess if it's the Twitter account of an actual expert that might be an exception. Like if the head of infectious disease at a major hospital had a Twitter account. That might be okay.

That's what blows my mind about all of this. Why would you trust a platform where any idiot can post nonsense without a review from an actual medical expert?

As for masks, I think some logical nuance is needed. If its summer and there aren't a lot of community infections, masks are silly. If it's the week after Christmas and everybody is sick, maybe wear masks for a few weeks until cases decrease. If you are sick, don't be a dick and just wear a mask when in public. I don't understand why this is controversial.

Twitter at the direction of the Govt was suppressing data from doctors posting peer reviewed journal information that contradicted the going directive at the time.

Honestly, I just don’t trust the Govt to take care of me. I never really have. That’s not its job. It’s mine. You certainly can’t trust the media who is heavily compensated by big Pharm’s ad revenue. We’ve seen mountains of evidence and of the Govt actively lying to us through this whole thing. We’ve also see members of the NIH and CDC have financial stakes into these Pharma companies. That’s not conspiracy, that’s C-Span.

I respect anyone to do what they think is best by whatever decision tree they use. It doesn’t affect me. You want to mask, mask. You want to get the endless boosters, get them. I support your right to make that decision for you. I just wish people would extend the same courtesy to me. I’m against mandates.

Your life is not my responsibility. I have no vested interest in whether you live or die. I honestly don’t care about you. Nor do you have in whether i do or not. I’ll evaluate my own risk and make my own decisions. My responsibility is limited to my family.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

true.. but nothing is stopping people from not quarantining or refusing to wear masks in Harpers Ferry or anywhere else as well.. It was more of a philosophical question or statement by me.. i.e., people react to the mask mandates more emotionally (you ain't taking my freedoms!) than they do other mandates or laws that also are designed to protect society at large

If they pass a law, I’ll follow the law, as your examples are. Private companies can choose to put whatever in-place they like. I’ll respect their requests as it’s their business by either following what they ask or not giving my patronage.

We have a system and process in place to legislate. The Government hasn’t used that process. They’ve mandated through executive fiat.

 

[BUDmountain]

Well isn't that sweet. She likes taking care of him.

White House advisor Dr. Fauci works 20-hour days and his wife reminds him to eat, sleep and drink water

Christine Grady, wife to White House Advisor Anthony Fauci, says she's coping like just everyone else during this trying time. And she is doing her best to remind her husband to get rest, drink water and "be selective about what he agrees to" to maintain his own health as he tasked with giving...

www.google.com

wait, is that a bad thing for a spouse to do?

 

[roadtrasheer]

wait, is that a bad thing for a spouse to do?

 

[BUDmountain]

Liberals are insane.

what's your definition of liberal? I think you might consider me a liberal because I believe in certain things like freedom of choice (abortion), freedom to love and legally marry (via civil marriage, not religious) whomever I want, ability for certain types of weapons to be restricted from individual ownership (machine guns, bazookas, tanks)...and that centralized government has some role to play in society with the functions being funded via taxes and used for the purported benefit of all (i.e., military, highways, Air Traffic Control, Medicare, FDA, EPA, National Parks, etc) even though by definition these services might fit the 'socialism' definition...

are those things insane? to me, the extremes of both ends of the spectrum are exactly that...the extremes.. I think most people are somewhere in the middle.. personally I have voted for both republicans and democrats in my life but lately have been leaning more democrat because I think the GOP has catered more to it's extreme element the last 10 years or so.. I would consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal.. over-simplifying here but I would guess ~60% are in that middle range.. ~20% far left, ~20% far right.. and those are the ones we hear the most from so they get the most attention

 

[BUDmountain]

When those "experts" are getting kickbacks in the way of royalties for use of their recommendations, they can GFT.

It's illegal for the auto mechanic to recommend Firestones, and receive money from Firestone.

my brother is an MD.. he doesn't get any kickbacks that I'm aware of.. so should I not follow his advice on medical matters?

agree w/ your point that they shouldn't be able to get royalties for their recommendations, at that point they are just a paid product spokesperson and we all know not to blindly accept what they are pitching.. There should be laws against this type of shit

Experts were not allowed to debate on Social Media. Only those that agreed with the Narrative.

Dig through this. It explains a lot.

x.com

mobile.twitter.com

I've seen experts like Scott Gottlieb and others debate plenty on social media.. And, my doctor isn't even on social media so how do I know what he tells me is right? I ultimately don't...but I value his perspective because of his expertise.. I ultimately get to decide myself whether or not I follow his medical guidance.....same with car repair guy or apple Genius Bar guy.. but on balance they are considered 'experts' in their field for a reason and I am probably better to error on following their advice on certain topics