Not sure what to take from BYU-UA right now
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I told my teenage daughter that she was my favorite daughter, she said," Dad, I'm your only daughter!"
Sure, they did. Composite record of our FBS opponents by season:
1988 = 62-71-1 (.466)
1993 = 70-66-2 (.514)
2005 = 68-60 (.531)
2006 = 87-65 (.572)
2007 = 90-75 (.545)
Facts sure are inconvenient. Spin away.
Miami was very good in 93. Penn State was Penn State, Pitt was better, Syracuse was better. Look, no need to keep talking about RR, he burned his bridge here.
We didn't play Penn St in 1993. In 1988, they were 5-6.
Yes, RR did burn his bridges here. However, the revisionist history BS is irritating as well as factually wrong.
Trying to tear down a pair of 11-2 seasons is idiotic no matter who we played, but when the facts show those two teams actually played stronger schedules rather than weaker ones as you alleged it's even more pathetic. That isn't an RR issue, it's a matter of you inexplicably trying to belittle the accomplishments of our players for no reason other than hating a former coach who left on bad terms.
Double-digit win seasons are a real rarity at WVU. Anybody waving off some of them as if they were just "OK" has a serious problem.
Revisionist BS is that teams of that era were weaker than USF and Cinn, etc. Penn state in 88 played a better schedule than USF or CInn did, Penn State played ND in 88. The big East was a pathetic league after tech finally left. It left only teams that barely had a pulse nationally. We cared about football, like some of the Big east schools cared about basketball. I liked RR until he trashed us as he left. You can leave but don't lie.
Ah, the favorite trip of misdirection by taking something out of context.
Rich was the best coach AT WVU in the past 16 years. So you'd have to include George W. Bush in your misdirection, and that wouldn't match you misdirection attempt.
Rich did better by WVU than Dana or Bill or, in his final season, Don, although Don obviously had a longer and more impressive track record in his 21 years.
Stick to the facts: Who did the best for WVU in the 21st century? No contest.
M anhandled Missouri, 26-11
O bliterate Youngstown
U nnerve BYU
N euter Kansas State
T rample Texas Tech
A nnihilate TCU
I mpale Oklahoma State
N ail Kansas
E radicate Texas
E rectile dysfunction Oklahoma
R oll over Iowa State
S uffocate Baylor
Who lied about WVU in the 21st century? Who's used racism ? He did very well while he was here, but when you trash your alma mater, the school that gave you your first head job, you are scum. How proud of him were you when he used Groban's You lift me up song in a blatant attempt to gain sympathy from Mechigan? They knew what a piece of crap he was.
OK, tell me where I was "factually wrong." Did WVU NOT play only TWO teams with winning records in 1988? And one was 6-5, I believe, barely above .500.
I did NOT "belittle the accomplishments of our players," because I never belittle anyone who plays for my alma mater. Ever.
I am unhappy with Dana's performance in the past 4 seasons (you are delighted with it?), and delighted with his job against Missouri. I've said this many times. I loved what I saw from Crawford, from the offensive lineman redshirt who held the Missouri defense star to TWO tackles for the game, to the defense regrouping so rapidly under Gibby, who I have complemented many times (I'm not against any coach if he does right by my alma mater, and Gibby is a godsend). And I cringed over 4 field goals in the red zone, throwing away 16 points (didn't you?).
And I also castigated those who hate Rich so much that they refuse to admit that he was the best coach in the 21st century for WVU. The facts and my expert eyes and mind show that clearly. Sure, Dana could out-do Rich, and I'd be happier than you are about it, because it's my alma mater.
And I've said again and again I'd be delighted if Dana could do better than 4-5, his Big 12 average over 4 seasons.
I have never booed a WVU player, coach or cheerleader or The Mountaineer. I made my living as a sportswriter dealing in facts and my expertise, which paid well enough for me to travel to 55 countries and 44 states in retirement, with more to come till I'm 6 feet below ground and you can pick on someone younger.
I stand by the statement: It's revisionist history to NOT say that the 1988 team benefitted from catching teams, including 5-6 Penn State, when they were down. Of course, it's a fantastic accomplishment to go unbeaten during the regular season. For any team. But an unbeaten season after beating, say, 4 top 25 teams is more impressive. Surely, even you can agree with that.
But you can't use the Pitt loss (which came down to a misfired pass in the end zone at the end by the fabulous Pat White, so it wasn't a blowout) to prove that Rich was a bad coach and then NOT use the two teams with winning record in 1988 against WVU in the same breath.
That's called a double standard.
I am second to no one in my support of my alma mater, with my words and my money, far beyond the MAC requirements. But I also do not have blinders. I only check the record, and respond accordingly. I want EVERY WVU coach to win every game, no matter what his name is -- Dana, Rich, Bill, Don, Bobby, Jim.
So your "revisionist" ire is a misfire.
Let's goooooooooooooooooo, Mountaineers!
M anhandled Missouri, 26-11
O bliterate Youngstown
U nnerve BYU
N euter Kansas State
T rample Texas Tech
A nnihilate TCU
I mpale Oklahoma State
N ail Kansas
E radicate Texas
E rectile dysfunction Oklahoma
R oll over Iowa State
S uffocate Baylor
We didn't play Penn State in 1993. Unless you are saying 1988? If so, Penn State was not Penn State. They finished 5-6 in 1988. Pitt finished 6-5 in 1988 as one of 2 teams with winning records on our 1988 schedule. Syracuse was our only quality win. Pitt was a dormat the decade of the 1990's. They averaged 4 wins.
Whatever, we have never set the world on fire with our football, is that better?. Just look at who we played under RR, nobody that was any good. At least, PSU had a history of being good.
We really should just tack a running percentage of threads that either drag Bill Stewart or RRod into it.
I would seriously guess around 20% of all threads here drag one of those two into this.
I'll say again....RRod would not be my first choice if we had to get a new HC. However, I would not be against it if he was hired as long as the gag orders were dropped and he would have an honest dialog about what had happened. Otherwise, it would tear the fanbase apart...unless he started winning 10-11 games a year.
I would seriously guess around 20% of all threads here drag one of those two into this.
I'll say again....RRod would not be my first choice if we had to get a new HC. However, I would not be against it if he was hired as long as the gag orders were dropped and he would have an honest dialog about what had happened. Otherwise, it would tear the fanbase apart...unless he started winning 10-11 games a year.
Nobody that was any good? From 2002-2004 Rodriguez finished no worse than 2nd place in the OLD Big East. He beat some good Pitt and Virginia Tech teams. He gave eventual National Champion Miami a run for their money, losing 22-20. He beat SEC champion Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.
Again, you reference Pitt was a shell of what it was. 2005 his only loss was to vatech. I think they went to the Gator Bowl that year. A lot of mediocre teams give good teams a run for their money when the good team doesn't take them seriously. That's what happened there with Miami. I have said that I like RR until he trashed us, we gave him his first head job, used one of his assistants to call us racist and lied about what WVU was going to do for him. Maybe you can forgive that, I can't. If you want to leave, leave. Don't trash us in the media.
You do not hire a person who has lied about you. You do not hire a person who used an assistant to call your former employer racist. You do not hire a person that will tear apart your customer base. He couldn't win in the Big10 being at Mechigan, a big, big dog, he cannot win here in this league.
lol Miami didnt overlook us in that game. We werent mediocre. We were battling them for the big east title. It took a miracle fingertip diving catch by kellen winslow on 4th and 25 to keep their winning drive alive to beat us.
Cuyahoga, you're one of my favorites on here but your reading comprehension skills are suffering a bit at the moment. All my posts on this thread were responding to posts by Airport, not any by you. You responded to the wrong person this time, my friend.:cry:
Sorry. I get worked up when people use on criteria for the one they support but not for the one they oppose. I say stick with the facts, however they fall. More than once I've altered my stance after looking at the facts. That's why I say "let's look at the record" so often. I do, THEN I decide which way to think.
I don't "hate" anyone, even those who disagree with me, and certainly no one who is a WVU coach or player. I just get perturbed at those who compare apples to oranges, and only when it matches their agenda.
And I like it when people straighten me out. So thanks, GoWVU. And I love your handle. And this comes from a guy whose Ohio license plate is JO 4 WVU . Same sentiments. Only mine is in your face in Buckeye country.
M anhandled Missouri, 26-11
O bliterate Youngstown
U nnerve BYU
N euter Kansas State
T rample Texas Tech
A nnihilate TCU
I mpale Oklahoma State
N ail Kansas
E radicate Texas
E rectile dysfunction Oklahoma
R oll over Iowa State
S uffocate Baylor
He won 11 games in 2006 and 10 while on the sideline in 2007, 3 double digit win seasons who else can say that?
what does it really matter how he ranks as a Michigan coach? He has won more games in his 1st four years than any other Arizona coach and he had 3 consecutive double digit win seasons at Wvu and his Wvu years are all that matters.
As I've said before, I liked RR until he trashed mine and his alma mater. The University that gave him his first head coaching job. As long as he never returns, I don't care.
The problem is that hate makes people deaf and they can't hear the truth. Rich was the best WVU coach in the 21st century, and the numbers and my eyeballs back that up.
You can go all the way back to the 1950s and Rich still ranks among the best. His winning percentage AT WVU was better than Bowden and Carlen, although I would rank Bowden as the best coach to head WVU.
Dana, even with the 10-3 start against Big East competition, is at 55.5% to 69.8% for Rich and 70% for Bill, 63.1% for Nehlen.
I liked what I saw against Missouri, and hope it continues. But this continual hating against Rich means: 1. Not a Christian, except maybe in name, because forgiveness and not hate rule in that religion. 2. The hate blinds them so much that they refuse to give credit where credit is due when it comes to Rich. Yes, the Michigan experiment was a failure, as much on Michigan's side as on Rich's. Yes, Rich was an asshole on his way to Ann Arbor. Yes, if Oliver Luck were the AD when Rich was here, he would have stayed and maybe won a national title.
Hate is a horrible thing. It starts wars. It makes people lose reality when it comes to evaluating WVU coaches.
Rich is either #1 or #2 or #3 among WVU head coaches in the past 65 years, depending on where you rank Bowden and Carlen and Nehlen for what they did at WVU (not before WVU, not after WVU).
That sticks in some people's craw. They see red every time Arizona wins a game.
M anhandled Missouri, 26-11
O bliterate Youngstown
U nnerve BYU
N euter Kansas State
T rample Texas Tech
A nnihilate TCU
I mpale Oklahoma State
N ail Kansas
E radicate Texas
E rectile dysfunction Oklahoma
R oll over Iowa State
S uffocate Baylor
