No improvement under DH.
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If we don't have a fifth year senior at every position on the two deep, ThePunish-EER will have an excuse ready...
Did you read the memo Low IQ drifter.
Time to wipe the egg of your face and stop the bellyaching.
Keep the excuses coming. You getting your 2016 excuses ready?
"Below is the way-too-early Big 12 hot seat index going into 2016:
Hot: Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia
Following a four-game losing streak to the four best teams in the Big 12, West Virginia was on a roll heading into the regular-season finale, with a chance to notch eight wins for the first time as a Big 12 member. But after building a double-digit halftime lead at Kansas State, the Mountaineers collapsed in the second half as the Wildcats rallied for a 24-23 victory. The loss stoked the fires of discontent in Morgantown, forcing athletic director Shane Lyons and the West Virginia brass to re-evaluate Holgorsen's status. Lyons eventually issued a statement saying that Holgorsen would return in 2016, but that was not exactly an affirmation of Holgorsen being on firm ground.
The Mountaineers don't have to win the Big 12 in 2016. But with nine offensive starters back and a favorable conference schedule, they probably need to be in the league title race for Holgorsen to feel safe about his job. West Virginia has recruited well under Holgorsen, and has had its moments since joining the Big 12. But Holgorsen needs to show he can get the team over the hump to satisfy a displeased constituency."
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/107798/way-too-early-big-12-hot-seat-index-for-2016
Hot: Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia
Following a four-game losing streak to the four best teams in the Big 12, West Virginia was on a roll heading into the regular-season finale, with a chance to notch eight wins for the first time as a Big 12 member. But after building a double-digit halftime lead at Kansas State, the Mountaineers collapsed in the second half as the Wildcats rallied for a 24-23 victory. The loss stoked the fires of discontent in Morgantown, forcing athletic director Shane Lyons and the West Virginia brass to re-evaluate Holgorsen's status. Lyons eventually issued a statement saying that Holgorsen would return in 2016, but that was not exactly an affirmation of Holgorsen being on firm ground.
The Mountaineers don't have to win the Big 12 in 2016. But with nine offensive starters back and a favorable conference schedule, they probably need to be in the league title race for Holgorsen to feel safe about his job. West Virginia has recruited well under Holgorsen, and has had its moments since joining the Big 12. But Holgorsen needs to show he can get the team over the hump to satisfy a displeased constituency."
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/107798/way-too-early-big-12-hot-seat-index-for-2016
Accurate & fair linked article above by GoWVU
This 2015 team did have expectations & a need to get past the trending 7-win plateau. The defense was widely touted as one that could be the very best in the BXII. That from WV & national media (& no, I'm not going to provide links for the naysayers). That lofty praise was actually pretty accurate - No. 2 scoring defense in the league, 2nd total defense, 3rd in pass D, 4th in rush D.
Also had the No. 2 rushing offense in the BXII led by one of the league's very top performing RBs. So yes despite all scheduling excuses & allegations of various shortcomings, this team was absolutely capable.
Yet still, here we sit at 4-5 in a 3-way tie for 5th with zero signature wins.
Should not happen. There's no excuses or justifying the 2nd best defense and the 2nd best rush attack = 3-way tie for 5th & losing conference record.
This 2015 team did have expectations & a need to get past the trending 7-win plateau. The defense was widely touted as one that could be the very best in the BXII. That from WV & national media (& no, I'm not going to provide links for the naysayers). That lofty praise was actually pretty accurate - No. 2 scoring defense in the league, 2nd total defense, 3rd in pass D, 4th in rush D.
Also had the No. 2 rushing offense in the BXII led by one of the league's very top performing RBs. So yes despite all scheduling excuses & allegations of various shortcomings, this team was absolutely capable.
Yet still, here we sit at 4-5 in a 3-way tie for 5th with zero signature wins.
Should not happen. There's no excuses or justifying the 2nd best defense and the 2nd best rush attack = 3-way tie for 5th & losing conference record.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not happy with all the 7-5 seasons, at best, once the Big 12 hit the fan.
But I prefer to concentrate on beating Arizona State. 8-5 sounds a LOT better than 7-6.
Dana gets 2016, but it's time to do better than the bottom half of the Big 12 or the bottom of the top half of the Big 12.
TCU proved it can be done. So, WVU, just do it!
Meanwhile, kick the Devil out of the Sun Devils!!!
And help me stay awake till 2 a.m. without doing drugs.
I'm not happy with all the 7-5 seasons, at best, once the Big 12 hit the fan.
But I prefer to concentrate on beating Arizona State. 8-5 sounds a LOT better than 7-6.
Dana gets 2016, but it's time to do better than the bottom half of the Big 12 or the bottom of the top half of the Big 12.
TCU proved it can be done. So, WVU, just do it!
Meanwhile, kick the Devil out of the Sun Devils!!!
And help me stay awake till 2 a.m. without doing drugs.
holgs started out 15-3 at wvu.....in the 3-plus seasons since then, he is 20-28.....a .417 win percentage.....in the past four years heading into the bowl game, he is 25-25 (.500)......
If you would have posted this as a new thread are resident mouth breather and board idiot would have committed suicide
The very definition of mediocrity. 25-25 is the most positive way to spin it.
In BXII play, the games that matter the most, it's far below .500. Below .500 means below average, losing, or poor.
Agreed...and just to put it in the proper context, below are the all-time records in Big 12 conference play ONLY for the first 20 years of the league. Conference title games (1996-2010) are included:
1) Oklahoma = 127-46 (.734) with 8 outright Big 12 titles, plus a 9th in a tie with Kansas St
2) Texas = 118-52 (.694) with 3 outright B12 titles
3) Nebraska = 83-42 (.664) with 2 outright B12 titles
4) Kansas St = 100-68 (.595) with 1 outright B12 title, plus a 2d in a tie with Oklahoma
5) TCU = 21-15 (.583) plus 1 co-championship with Baylor
6) Texas A&M = 69-62 (.527) with 1 outright B12 title
7) Oklahoma St = 86-79 (.521) with 1 outright B12 title
8) Texas Tech = 85-80 (.515)
9) Colorado = 61-63 (.492) with 1 outright B12 title
10) Missouri = 63-68 (.481)
11) WVU = 15-21 (.417)
12) Baylor = 50-115 (.303) with 1 outright B12 title, plus a 2d in a tie with TCU
13) Iowa St = 44-121 (.267)
14) Kansas = 38-127 (.230)
Of the 5 schools who have never won at least a share of the conference title, Missouri did reach the Big 12 championship game twice and lost both times. Texas Tech did tie for the Big 12 South division title in 2008, but lost on tiebreakers. Their 7-1 finish that season is TT's best since the league began.
That leaves just WVU, Iowa St, and Kansas who have not gotten that far. The Jayhawks had just one winning record in conference play in the first 20 years of the Big 12, but that one was an outstanding 7-1 mark in 2007. Iowa St also posted just a single winning record in conference play so far, which was 5-3 in 2000.
Our best finish to date was 5-4 in 2014. However, I certainly like our chances of topping that if we stay here for 20 years. [cheers]
Interesting research. Thanks for sharing.
From a historical context, WVU has 726 wins, good for No. 20 all-time.
The only current BXII members who have experienced more winning than WVU are No. 4 Texas (886) and No. 8 Okla (861).
So no, the likes of 5th place, 15-21 and 25-25 are not the norm, the standard nor what should be accepted.
From a historical context, WVU has 726 wins, good for No. 20 all-time.
The only current BXII members who have experienced more winning than WVU are No. 4 Texas (886) and No. 8 Okla (861).
So no, the likes of 5th place, 15-21 and 25-25 are not the norm, the standard nor what should be accepted.
yet another fans failure distinguishing the difference in competition. You know, Miami, OH is ranked pretty high in all time wins as well. Get the point?
Tcu was able to rise to the top of the Big 12 in three years coming from the mountain west but they have a good coach. Baylor now competes for big 12 titles but thy have a good coach. Before Briles was at Baylor and Patterson was at Tcu some pathetic mediocrity accepting fan said we can never compete for anything. But those fans where proven wrong as you will be if Wvu ever gets a good coach. Take your pathetic mouthbreathing mediocrity accepting excuses to some other Board sonny boy
sorry son, you epitomize the meaning of mouth breather. Now, one glaring weakness in your argument is the vicinity to which TCU and Baylor reside. They are both located in the most fertile recruiting area of the entire country; Texas. The state of Texas produces about 350 D1 football recruits per year. Quite a difference to our territory. If WVU were located in Texas, your argument would hold up. Unfortunately the school doesn't. And neither does your argument.
Once again a typical flawed mouth breathing response. Since WVU has been members of the big 12 they have recruited equally to Baylor and TCU. Baylor's last 4 recruiting classes have been ranked 43,35,31,45 by rivals TCU last four 34,50,30,37, WVU 33,45,25,48. If you do a four year average WVU is equal to TCU and one spot better than Baylor. Texas may produce the most D1 athletes but the elite athletics in the state are not signing with TCU and Baylor. WVU has always had a presence in Florida and the Florida athlete's are superior to Texas athlete's. Another weak minded argument but not surprising coming from you. Your math skills where already exposed with your scholarship lies
scholarship lies? Provide proof they were lies. Vernon even said the numbers were in the 60's. We disagreed on how long they were that low. But the point remains. Kevin kinder and Greg hunter confirmed it a couple years ago. You may want to pay attention.
only for a semester like Vernon said and a new class came in it figures how you continually like to change the subject and use misinformation to support your false claims. You spent so much time degrading Stewart and now that Holgorson has failed you can't admit the errors of your mediocrity accepting mindset.
it was longer than a semester. You can only sign up to a certain number per year per NCAA rules. And you have to account for graduation of players each year. It takes a few years to correct the low numbers. You don't just say, "hey we are at 60 today. Tomorrow we sign 25 and we are back to 85." It doesn't work like that lol. Several in that new class won't make it either. And nearly all of them will not play first year. Several are redshirted. And none of them are experienced. It's not like they all walk in the building ready to start and perform at that level.
Your claims have already been proven false you are just sighting bogus information. You can spin it anyway you want it. Its been 5 years since DH has been coach and he has provided nothing but mediocre results while certain former mountain west teams are competing for Big 12 titles. Typically mediocre excuse from a mediocre mindset
This is the problem--these people either don't get the point of difference in competition or they just don't want to get it. But then again some of these people wanted ECU, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa to be regulars on WVUs schedule rather than Texas, Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma so its obvious they don't understand much about college football.
They understand that the odds of continually beating ECU, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa are infinitely greater than beating Texas, Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma. That is why you still hear some fans wanting to get out of the B12 and to the AAC.
You see, for the casual fan, one not truly vested in the University, the number of wins is more important than how or against who you got them. It's a statistics game to them, black and white, bigger numbers in the W column is the deciding factor.
They will be just as happy watching the Miami Bowl on a Monday afternoon in front of their TV as they would be if it was the NY6 game the rest of us want. Except that they would then be able to complain that they had to take off work to watch a crap bowl game.
There's no pleasing some.
the problem those fans don't consider is; remaining in the AAC making 2-3 million a year would kill the program. Wins against Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, and even (God for bid) Marshall would become tough wins. The program would regress to their level. Suddenly wins against lowly P5 schools like Rutgers, Syracuse, and Maryland would become a distant memory.
Its obvious you don't understand good coaching when a team from the mountain west can come in and win a share of the big 12 title in year 3 its pretty clear the conference isn't as tough as you make it out to be. If TCU had holgorson as their coach they wouldn't come close to winning a big 12 title with his incompetent play calling and clock management
Vernon already proved you wrong but as usual you continue to lie
apparently you can't read. He even said the numbers fell into the 60's. Besides I don't remember "proof" provided. I do know kinder and hunter stated it was fact as well.
Then explain why Baylor and TCU basically sucked for so long if they're located smack dab inside fertile recruiting ground? That is, if the head coach has nothing, or very little to do with it.
He also said for 1 semester not for Five years like your trying to say
well if you followed college football before 1996, you would realize TCU was a power at one time as a member of the old SWC. They have won 2 national titles, and they have a Heisman Trophy winner. So I wouldn't say "they sucked for so long". The problem was, they became a midmajor non BCS school after the SWC breakup. Therefore your analysis is flawed. Despite those limitations, they held their own. My point is, now back with the P5 schools in the big 12, they will once again become a power. If not already.
The reason Baylor is now pretty good is a number of reasons besides excellent coaching with Art Briles. First of all, they are now putting a load of money into their program. Whereas they didn't in the past. Check out their new stadium and facilities.
Pathetic TCU a power what a joke. they didn't have won top 25 finish from 1959 - 2000. Yeah they might have won the national Championship twice but that was 1935 and 1938. I Guess if a Pitt fan came on here boasting of there National championship you would have to claim they where a national power based on that pathetic logic. TCU was irrelevant in the modern era of the old SWC typical mouth breathing BS
Getting slapped by you? yeah right you lie so much that you don't even know what the truth is. You have been schooled so much that you have know credibility left. You always make pathetic statements with no proof to back it up. You should change your handle to politicianeer at least you would have an excuse for blatant lies
I think you need some book learning on TCU, or web learning. TCU has been a very consistent football program except for one span in the late 1960's to the early 1980's; the Dry Era. After that, like a lot of SWC teams it took cash to get back to prominence. That cash took a toll on TCU and SMU (death-penalty).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCU_Horned_Frogs_football
I think what the resident imbeciles can't quite figure out, it that the low number semesters are ALWAYS the spring semester when we don't actually play games.
