Market crashing and people losing jobs daily under this inept adminstration.

[countryroads89]

How many millions were spent by the army corp of eng to move everybody from one side of the river to other side down in Grundy? I belive that you could have given everybody ther 50,000 and told them to go somewhere where there is employment and it would have been money better spent. I have no idea about the flood wall. Maybe, people shouldn't live in bad flood zones. Just a suggestion. Somebody built a 500 million gas station in Afghanistan. By most accounts, it should have cost 50,000. Was that other 450 mill well spent?

It's not just people living. It's businesses also. Look at all the steel plants in Huntington that were protected. Don't be short sighted. Think of all the businesses in Huntington that have thrived because of the floodwall and all the people that had jobs for centuries because of it. Look at all the tax revenue returned back from those jobs....Spin-off businesses. Not to mention the Manhatten project to assist our defenses in WWII.

 

[Marleer]

It's not just people living. It's businesses also. Look at all the steel plants in Huntington that were protected. Don't be short sighted. Think of all the businesses in Huntington that have thrived because of the floodwall and all the people that had jobs for centuries because of it. Look at all the tax revenue returned back from those jobs....Spin-off businesses. Not to mention the Manhatten project to assist our defenses in WWII.

Dept of defense is a little different but still very wasteful. You win. We have infinite resources and we will never run out of money. Keep spending without making any choices. When you get ready to retire, I assume you are 40ish, you will find that there is going to some hard choices coming up for people in that age bracket and younger.

 

[Marleer]

It's not just people living. It's businesses also. Look at all the steel plants in Huntington that were protected. Don't be short sighted. Think of all the businesses in Huntington that have thrived because of the floodwall and all the people that had jobs for centuries because of it. Look at all the tax revenue returned back from those jobs....Spin-off businesses. Not to mention the Manhatten project to assist our defenses in WWII.

This is my second acct. For some reason, I have decided to waste my money on a second acct.

 

[Marleer]

Congrats on being a success story. I have a similar story and so do many others. But you have no idea of what the real world is about for people that haven't received a break or have had the fortitude to make it on their own. Are they scum like you and many right wingers make them out to be? No. This is why it would you do you good to somehow have an experience so your eyes could be opened.

The real world is made up a lot of different types of people. You assume that I think poor people are scum. I do not. I think that govt, thru it's programs that many on the left thinks are good, have led to many of our societal problems. It's just human nature to try and get something for nothing. I've said enough and I will be in the minority. But I will retire in the next 7 or so years I will become a govt dependent, too.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Congrats on being a success story. I have a similar story and so do many others. But you have no idea of what the real world is about for people that haven't received a break or have had the fortitude to make it on their own. Are they scum like you and many right wingers make them out to be? No. This is why it would you do you good to somehow have an experience so your eyes could be opened.

There is a sizable percentage who are pieces of shit. Hell, half of my family fall in that category. Able to work and don't. Lives off the Gov't, abuses the system, defrauds insurance companies, the works. The new racket I've heard in WV is to become "foster parents" you get like $1400 or some amount more than that for every kid you take in. Then they ALL live off the system.

There are people who don't fall into that category for sure. Probably 70-80% of that 48 million. That still probably 10 million that could cease to exist and it would be a net gain for society.

 

[dave]

Because it gives perspective.

Actually it distorts the truth.

 

[bamaEER]

Actually it distorts the truth.

No it doesn't. Obama inherited an economic dumpster fire.

 

[Marleer]

No it doesn't. Obama inherited an economic dumpster fire.

Because congress thought everybody should own a house no matter what it cost and no matter if they could pay for it.

 

[bamaEER]

Because congress thought everybody should own a house no matter what it cost and no matter if they could pay for it.

Blah blah blah blah....

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Did You Have Business English in 2nd or 3rd year?

Never heard of it. We had a writing element in one of our accounting classes.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

The new racket I've heard in WV is to become "foster parents" you get like $1400 or some amount more than that for every kid you take in. Then they ALL live off the system.

Becoming a foster parent is not a racket. That's ridiculous.

 

[WVUBRU]

Never heard of it. We had a writing element in one of our accounting classes.

Really? It was required when I went through. Joke of a class. Easiest A in my major required classes.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Becoming a foster parent is not a racket. That's ridiculous.

You're right, it shouldn't be. Seriously, have you not heard about this? This is legitimate income strategy discussed amongst them. I've heard my niece (who is a certified piece of shit) and a couple of her friends talking about it.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Actually, FDR's public works was a total waste. WPA=we piddle around. TVA only river that runs through 7 states but drained all the rest. The new deal did not work just like LBJ's Great Society. After three terms of terrible growth, the war was the only thing that kept LBJ in office and got the economy moving. You really need to go back and look at the actual numbers back then. It wasn't good. Corporations are charged with making money for their stock holders. Investing in anything at this time with a socialist leading this country is contrary to the CEO's fudiciary responsibilities to the stock holders. Just remember, most of Obamacare hasn't hit yet. It was designed to go into effect after he leaves office. The next President will inherit crap.

What I always enjoy is republicans bitching that Democratic leaders aren't fixing the messes Republican leaders create fast enough.

 

[Mntneer]

You're right, it shouldn't be. Seriously, have you not heard about this? This is legitimate income strategy discussed amongst them. I've heard my niece (who is a certified piece of shit) and a couple of her friends talking about it.

My wife has witnessed it first hand. It indeed does happen.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You're right, it shouldn't be. Seriously, have you not heard about this? This is legitimate income strategy discussed amongst them. I've heard my niece (who is a certified piece of shit) and a couple of her friends talking about it.

I have family members attempting to become foster parents and it is no picnic.

 

[WVUBRU]

You're right, it shouldn't be. Seriously, have you not heard about this? This is legitimate income strategy discussed amongst them. I've heard my niece (who is a certified piece of shit) and a couple of her friends talking about it.

I don't think there is a program that doesn't have the ability to be misused or defrauded by bad people. Doesn't mean the program is bad. Americans need ro quit demonizing everything just because rhe exception happens sometimes.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I like dams that create electricity. Should dams be built to control flooding or should people not build houses where flooding occurs? If they do, should we subsidize their insurance or should they, the home owners in flood zones, bear the full cost?

As somebody that lives in a flood zone, I can tell you that it's hard to see how I'm not bearing the full cost.

I'm in a 100 year flood plain. I haven't had any claims or anything like that, and there hasn't been any flooding at my level since I've moved there. However, in the 6.5 years that I've owned my home, my flood insurance premium (which all goes through FEMA) has increased well over $1000/year.

 

[mule_eer]

As somebody that lives in a flood zone, I can tell you that it's hard to see how I'm not bearing the full cost.

I'm in a 100 year flood plain. I haven't had any claims or anything like that, and there hasn't been any flooding at my level since I've moved there. However, in the 6.5 years that I've owned my home, my flood insurance premium (which all goes through FEMA) has increased well over $1000/year.

Slightly off topic, but I had a friend who bought a house in Los Angeles. I asked out of curiosity if they needed to get earthquake insurance. She said it was available but not required. She also added that it was so expensive that no one buys it. So I guess we all foot the bill when the big quake Katrinas southern California.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

In 1984, I had nothing, no job. I owed my exwife $750/month child support. I lived with my grandfather and paid my child support. I paid back my grandfather thousands of dollars for what he did for me. I gradually worked my way up. Year after year, I worked and paid my taxes. I could have qualified for assistance but never dreamed of it. So, I've built a very good business over the last 30 years and I give a lot to charity, just like many on here do. I just have a fundamentally different outlook on our govt. Should we have it, of course. Should we help our fellow citizen, of course. It just should not become a way of life, and for many it does. Govt , by nature, wastes money. It always will. I just don't think govt programs are the answer to all our problems. As more and more of us baby boomers retire, there will be less and less of us high wage earners to pay the large taxes that it will take to keep the govt afloat.

I'm happy for you ... I mean that sincerely. I know that can come across as facetious on a message board. I'm happy for the success of others. I don't feel like any of us are competing, I hope everybody does well. If they do better than me, I'm genuinely happy for them.

Having said that ... what if you didn't have your grandfather or anybody else to support you during that time?

I've been down also. Like you, I didn't take government assistance, but I also had other forms of support. This is honestly where my feelings about these matters and my empathy comes from. What if I didn't have that?

When you begin to think of things in that way, it's not hard to see how people end up in some of the situations they end up in.

The plant my father worked in my whole life closed down recently and within a couple/few months became nothing but an empty field with a few concrete pads. My father retired many years ago, and gave me a solid lower-middle class upbringing. (I had a decent house and clothes, but we also ate fried bologna sandwiches for dinner sometimes, or pancakes) Hundreds if not thousands of families in that area had people providing for them from that plant for decades. It was one of those jobs that once you were lucky enough to get on, you kept and it provided a great life. Now it is gone, and the people that were working there no longer have their jobs. Where do they go?

It's happening all over ... where do all of the people go to find a job to replace what they lost?

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Slightly off topic, but I had a friend who bought a house in Los Angeles. I asked out of curiosity if they needed to get earthquake insurance. She said it was available but not required. She also added that it was so expensive that no one buys it. So I guess we all foot the bill when the big quake Katrinas southern California.

I didn't have the option of not getting it, at least not with the mortgage company I had/have.

 

[The Big Skipbowski]

You're right, it shouldn't be. Seriously, have you not heard about this? This is legitimate income strategy discussed amongst them. I've heard my niece (who is a certified piece of shit) and a couple of her friends talking about it.

Pretty sure the amount is $600/month per child in WV, or at least it was fairly recently. I have some family members who adopted via the foster care system and that is how much they received.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I have family members attempting to become foster parents and it is no picnic.

Don't get me wrong, I think becoming a foster parent is a very noble thing. I'm all for it. I acknowledge that by and large it is not abused. I was using the instance of what I heard directly from my niece as an example to show the level at which some people will go to avoid becoming a contributing member of society and how they can and will abuse it. By no means do i think that is the behavior of the majority or even 10% of the people doing it. It is sadly an example of the shitbags being shitbags.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I didn't have the option of not getting it, at least not with the mortgage company I had/have.

It was optional for me when I lived out there and bought a house. It was about $3500 a year for my home and I wasn't that close to a fault line.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I don't think there is a program that doesn't have the ability to be misused or defrauded by bad people. Doesn't mean the program is bad. Americans need ro quit demonizing everything just because rhe exception happens sometimes.

To be clear, I wasn't demonizing it.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

It was optional for me when I lived out there and bought a house. It was about $3500 a year for my home and I wasn't that close to a fault line.

For me I was referencing flood insurance, not earthquake insurance. I live in a 100 year flood plain and it was required for my mortgage. I live below my means, my house wasn't expensive so my premiums aren't nearly as high as yours would have been, but have gone up substantially in 6 years.

 

[Mntneer]

For me I was referencing flood insurance, not earthquake insurance. I live in a 100 year flood plain and it was required for my mortgage. I live below my means, my house wasn't expensive so my premiums aren't nearly as high as yours would have been, but have gone up substantially in 6 years.

My grandfather's house sits right at the edge of a flood plain. We spend hundreds with surveyors in an attempt to point out that the house itself was about 10 feet from the flood plain. Didn't matter. Still had to get coverage.

 

[Airport]

What I always enjoy is republicans bitching that Democratic leaders aren't fixing the messes Republican leaders create fast enough.

After three terms of terrible leadership, WW2 was what kept FDR in office, not LBJ. How's that great society working out in the inner cities. It's definitely a success in that they vote for the dems 100% so that worked out well. The good news is that they are reproducing faster than they are killing each other. Maybe the Repubs should try giving them free drugs and bullets.

 

[Airport]

As somebody that lives in a flood zone, I can tell you that it's hard to see how I'm not bearing the full cost.

I'm in a 100 year flood plain. I haven't had any claims or anything like that, and there hasn't been any flooding at my level since I've moved there. However, in the 6.5 years that I've owned my home, my flood insurance premium (which all goes through FEMA) has increased well over $1000/year.

I don't know how much of the premium is subsidized where you live but those who built houses on the beaches get their insurance subsidized by the public. Many would never be able to afford, that includes the rich, if the premiums truly reflected the actual insurance costs. John Stossel did a big expose on it and how the public subsidizes it.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I don't know how much of the premium is subsidized where you live but those who built houses on the beaches get their insurance subsidized by the public. Many would never be able to afford, that includes the rich, if the premiums truly reflected the actual insurance costs. John Stossel did a big expose on it and how the public subsidizes it.

I can assure you I'm not on the beach.

 

[mneilmont]

Never heard of it. We had a writing element in one of our accounting classes.

Thanks for response. At my time, we had Business English in the English Department and a Business Law out of the Law Department. Two required classes that were referred to as Pre-PE classes were Statistic and Business English. Up to 50% of either class were repeating the class. If anyone didn't want to repeat the class, they would change to PE major. As well as I can remember, Mrs Beatrice Law had B-English and Charlie Scaggs the Stats class

 

[mneilmont]

Don't get me wrong, I think becoming a foster parent is a very noble thing. I'm all for it. I acknowledge that by and large it is not abused. I was using the instance of what I heard directly from my niece as an example to show the level at which some people will go to avoid becoming a contributing member of society and how they can and will abuse it. By no means do i think that is the behavior of the majority or even 10% of the people doing it. It is sadly an example of the shitbags being shitbags.

I have two stories of life experiences. One friend since childhood did the fostering to supplement his income out of necessity. It became a sincere commitment. Two are WVU Law Grads and they both call him dad. A smart assed fellow insulted one of the girls. He was left in the doorway of a social club and had all the shit beaten out of him. The other girl was being harassed in LA. Friend took a flight to LA - armed. That daughter was not harassed again.

The other side, a fellow exchanged food stamps for dope and entry into our weekly poker game. Felt guilty about that one, but it was how he used the aide each month. I could not influence his decision without potentially getting shot.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I slightly disagree. Defense industry is about our last bastion of real manufacturing in this country. Yes, I just semantic'd you.

I would expand on that and add the technologies that have been developed and tested through the space program as well.

 

[countryroads89]

I don't know how much of the premium is subsidized where you live but those who built houses on the beaches get their insurance subsidized by the public. Many would never be able to afford, that includes the rich, if the premiums truly reflected the actual insurance costs. John Stossel did a big expose on it and how the public subsidizes it.

The Biggert-Waters Act of 2012 removed the subsidies people were getting for flood insurance; that's why folks like WhiteTailEER are seeing their insurance premiums increase. There won't be any more payments to folks who get flooded and should have purchased insurance but didn't.