Good ****ing lord, I just read this, you dudes have swallowed more than kool aid.
Immediate actions the administration needs to take
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They used the verified portion. You guys don't think they used the PeePee tape do you? This was about admitted Kremlin friend Carter Page's contacts with Russian spies.
It doesnt matter if they were watching him before. Every FISC warrant is based on the evidence provided and its application and whatever happened in 2013 never led to any charge. Not to mention that Page was no longer part of the trump campaign when the fisa warrant was granted.
Guess we'll need to see all of the underlying info to find out. I'm willing to bet that more than that one sentence was verified.
I think this is where maybe we are confusing each other (you and I, the board, the country at large). Do you think a) the FBI used the entire dossier on the FISA application, or b) the FBI shouldn't use any of the dossier until all of the dossier was verified?
If proffered info is false then the warrant can't be used in a court of law. Fruit of the poisonous tree.
Unverified information can be used, they do it all the time from informant information given to investigators. Even from sources that are shaky and unreliable. When added to other circumstantial evidence, warrants are approved. Renewals of FISA’s is the biggest issue to me. They have to prove the surveillance is producing to receive renewals, and this was renewed (3 or 5?) times by different judges.
Page was in contact with Rosneft- verified. Trump was close with the guy from Azerbaijan- verified. I don’t think anyone really knows how much of the dossier is verified or not. I wish those people saying it was completely fake would link me to an article that actually had the information checked and proven wrong. All I’ve heard about is the lawyer’s travels were proven wrong?
I believe the reports that came out about McCabe's testimony that the only thing verified was Page's trip to Moscow, from multiple outlets from multiple sources, but not sure if redundant sources. If that's true, then they used more than just that on the warrant, because the warrant would not have been accepted without the dossier, also per McCabe.
People in the FBI knew of Steele's dislike of Trump and they used his leaked info to a news source to verify it. The guy who Steele talked to was Michael Izakoph( sp).
Not on a FISA warrant. Google Woods procedure.
Here's a very conservative, former Chief Asst US Attorney - "I don’t understand commentary about whether FISA warrant is ‘invalid.’ That’s crim law concept. FISA is intel — it’s not like govt has to give back information it learns. This is not prosecution situation where not fruit-of-poisonous-tree doctrine applies."
Then, honestly, I don’t think they used any unverified info from the dossier. I think they used what they verified. The FISA would prove it. Trump can release it, and end all the partisan bs right now. He can read it, and he can release it. Nunes didn’t even read it.
I'm still not following. Are you saying they used the entire dossier? Or are you saying they only used a portion of that dossier, but part of that portion was unverified?
This is entirely guess; selective editing. They pulled out absurd parts like the pee pee tape. They called it verified based on Steele's reputation.
Also, this part of your response is completely misleading. Even the memo doesn't claim what you typed, but what McCabe said is in dispute until the transcript of his hearing is released.
That was private disclosure again. Unless McCabe agrees to it, it will be difficult to do. Drag him back in while he's still an employee for public hearing, and if he pleads the 5th all over the place, then release it.
One question I have is this:
If Nunes didn’t read the FISA, and the biggest piece of information on the memo is about the securing of the FISA, why did he (or rather his staffers) write it? If Gowdy read the FISA, why didn’t Gowdy write it?
If Nunes didn’t read the FISA, and the biggest piece of information on the memo is about the securing of the FISA, why did he (or rather his staffers) write it? If Gowdy read the FISA, why didn’t Gowdy write it?
I believe Gowdy helped write it. Obviously I have no clue as to which parts he helped with.
Too bad thta a person who beleives the law is important is leaving, he would easily win elections, and you have people like Pelosi, Schumer and queer boy Schiff staying. Says a lot about them.
That would be more in conjunction with Flynn. We still don't know how that started, except for intercepted communications with the Russian. How did Mueller get it from that, to requesting Strzok entrap him, errr, I mean interview him?
