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Hahahahaha that debate, shewwww

You firmly believe your votes get "changed". All because a bunch of people made the claims, they took it to court, and the judges refused to hear the evidence!
@WVU82 posted just the other day during testimony here in Georgia how easy it was to hack into Dominion voting machines and flip votes! Ignorance is bliss I guess?
 
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You know as well as I that it’s still done. Are you really this gullible?
Then disclosing voting records won't cause those consequences since it is still done already.

Way to think that through. Find a better excuse.
 
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The 2020 election really broke you. Seek help before it consumes your life and family.
I'm fine my man. I'm voting in '24 the same way I voted in '20, only this time my vote won't be "stolen" because this time we will overwhelm the cheating with legitimate voters who will "peacefully and Patriotically" make our voices heard.

I'm not ashamed to say who I'm voting for, and why? I'm voting for Trump to close our open border, lower our taxes, this crazy inflation and profligate wasteful spending, and also to restore our energy independence with lower prices for domestically produced energy!

What or who are YOU voting for?

@MountaineerWV ...obviously too ashamed or embarrassed to say so
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The nucleus of any form of democracy is this - "One person-one vote".

A procedure has been put in place in every state in order to vote. Essentially, in order to qualify, one must follow these 4 basic steps: 1) You must register to vote first; 2) You must be a US citizen 3) You must be 18 years old or older; and 4) You must vote in the state and precinct in which you reside.

In order for any vote to be fair, one must prove they have met those 4 qualifications. An ID is shown and the name on the ID is checked, checked off, and the person given a ballot. Easy as pie and simple as that.

Anything that differs from that puts the election at risk for fraud. The 2020 election, with its mail-in voting rather than in-person, put the results of the election at risk. It wouldn't matter if Trump won, the case for fraud could still be made.

In most elections, mail-in ballot are challenge votes anyway. They rarely come into play unless the election is really close. That's why in-person voting MUST be the only form of voting - because it does the BEST job of determining a fair election. The states, for the most part, have made voting much easier, i.e. early voting. No longer does one have only one day to vote; often standing in line for hours in who knows what type of weather or conditions. Most of the problems have been fixed.

In the end, these other arguments are frivolous. Who won in 2020? Doesn't matter now. Ballot harvesting? Don't allow mail-in voting or treat each mail-in ballot as a challenge vote. Only vote on one day? Give people multiple days to vote - it just has to be done in-person.
 
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The nucleus of any form of democracy is this - "One person-one vote".

A procedure has been put in place in every state in order to vote. Essentially, in order to qualify, one must follow these 4 basic steps: 1) You must register to vote first; 2) You must be a US citizen 3) You must be 18 years old or older; and 4) You must vote in the state and precinct in which you reside.

In order for any vote to be fair, one must prove they have met those 4 qualifications. An ID is shown and the name on the ID is checked, checked off, and the person given a ballot. Easy as pie and simple as that.

Anything that differs from that puts the election at risk for fraud. The 2020 election, with its mail-in voting rather than in-person, put the results of the election at risk. It wouldn't matter if Trump won, the case for fraud could still be made.

In most elections, mail-in ballot are challenge votes anyway. They rarely come into play unless the election is really close. That's why in-person voting MUST be the only form of voting - because it does the BEST job of determining a fair election. The states, for the most part, have made voting much easier, i.e. early voting. No longer does one have only one day to vote; often standing in line for hours in who knows what type of weather or conditions. Most of the problems have been fixed.

In the end, these other arguments are frivolous. Who won in 2020? Doesn't matter now. Ballot harvesting? Don't allow mail-in voting or treat each mail-in ballot as a challenge vote. Only vote on one day? Give people multiple days to vote - it just has to be done in-person.
As always, well stated. Democrats don't want these common sense procedures followed because that makes it too hard for them to cheat! They can't win unless they can cheat. They oppose anything that makes it harder for them to cheat.
 
Voting has always been anonymous and should stay that way. No reason in the world to change it.

If one is really passionate about making the process fair, lobby your state legislature to require in-person voting with proof of ID and registration before given a ballot. If it is done this way, no need to broadcast your vote (even though a basic social media search will reveal a person's views anyway).
 
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@atlkvb the wagon wheel got owned in this thread!!! Hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
Who are you voting for?

Don't ask him to tell you that atl...ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...
iu

Oh I already know Kamala, I just think it's funny how he can't admit it! Don't you think so too?

Yes!!!!!
iu

Ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...ha...
 
No. I am not agreeing with you that people should face consequences with employment, housing, etc. just for who they vote for. I didn't say that and you are being dishonest suggesting that.

They shouldn't face any consequences. But the reality is they have and will continue to do so I don't want to hear a bunch of nonsense that it will suddenly happen with public disclosure. Stop telling me "action X will cause Y" is a reason not to take such action when Y is already occurring without X.

Seems to me that having elections shrouded in secrecy by the establishment while people are facing consequences for who they vote for is more dictatorial.
Well, you realize not everyone in this nation is as honest and trustworthy as you are.
 
As always, well stated. Democrats don't want these common sense procedures followed because that makes it too hard for them to cheat! They can't win unless they can cheat. They oppose anything that makes it harder for them to cheat.
The issue of cheating is bipartisan. For example, in general, the Republicans tend to oppose early voting.

Democrats tend to favor mail-in voting more - even though as far as I know EVERY state now allows one to vote by mail.

The reality is, both sides want conditions in place that favor their ability to (cheat, errrr) win.
 
The issue of cheating is bipartisan. For example, in general, the Republicans tend to oppose early voting.

Democrats tend to favor mail-in voting more - even though as far as I know EVERY state now allows one to vote by mail.

The reality is, both sides want conditions in place that favor their ability to (cheat, errrr) win.
Nuh-uh....it's only Democrats. Haven't you been paying attention? :joy:
 
Now you are catching on. Just add now the who you voted for and BINGO. Congrats!

You guys are really broken. That 2020 election broke you, and I don't think you can get back. You firmly believe your votes get "changed". All because a bunch of people made the claims, they took it to court, and the judges laughed it out.
So, you really believe Biden got more black votes than the first black president Obama? We both know I’ve asked you this before and you refuse to answer. Am I broken? 2020 should’ve broke every American who believed they had a voice and choice as our founders believed when they created this country.
 
The issue of cheating is bipartisan. For example, in general, the Republicans tend to oppose early voting.

Democrats tend to favor mail-in voting more - even though as far as I know EVERY state now allows one to vote by mail.

The reality is, both sides want conditions in place that favor their ability to (cheat, errrr) win.
That's probably true, they're all angling for an advantage. However whenever common sense proposals to decrease the likelihood of cheating are proposed (ie: voter I.D. requirements) typically only one party always opposes it. Only one party is encouraging or promoting the idea of illegals voting. What party is that?


These asses.....

iu
 
So, you really believe Biden got more black votes than the first black president Obama? We both know I’ve asked you this before and you refuse to answer. Am I broken? 2020 should’ve broke every American who believed they had a voice and choice as our founders believed when they created this country.
Do I believe that? I don't know. I've never thought about who votes for whom, other than my vote. Everything you ask is speculation, not evidence.
 
Do I believe that? I don't know. I've never thought about who votes for whom, other than my vote. Everything you ask is speculation, not evidence.
Now you’re being dishonest. You don’t know? Really. The first black president and Biden got more black votes?
 
Aren't these Leftists a hoot? They can't say why or even if they're voting for a cacklin' Communist. However they hate Trump with such a passion, they'll do anything to keep him from going back to the WH.

except... admit they're voting for this cacklin' Communist.... because quite frankly they're just too ashamed of it! :joy:

Can you blame 'em? ha...ha...ha....ha...ha...ha...ha...ha....
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Welcome back to the point. Irregularities combined with known state election laws broken. Now, that you agree, it’s weird or doesn’t make sense, shouldn’t it warrant an investigation? Or a judge to hear the case?
Just because something looks weird doesn't mean it's illegal. Even the conservative leaning Supreme Court didn't take up the case. Right?
 
Just because something looks weird doesn't mean it's illegal. Even the conservative leaning Supreme Court didn't take up the case. Right?
Until the 2020 election every Democrat in D.C said mail in voting was ripe for fraud and most normal thinking Americans agreed . We did mail in voting and miraculously Biden gets more black vote than Obama......the biggest turn out ever.
My wife comes home with rubbers in her purse I'm gonna speculate she's cheating.
 
If you truly believe that disclosing a person's vote will fix problems, and not create more, then I have nothing else to say. Seriously.

Example: Job interview "So, I see you voted for the other guy. Sorry, we can't hire you"
That coming from the same employer who supports DEI? Sue for discrimination.
 
Until the 2020 election every Democrat in D.C said mail in voting was ripe for fraud and most normal thinking Americans agreed . We did mail in voting and miraculously Biden gets more black vote than Obama......the biggest turn out ever.
My wife comes home with rubbers in her purse I'm gonna speculate she's cheating.
Facts
 
Until the Left can explain with unassailable documented facts specific reasons why the vote counts only in those swing States where Trump was comfortably ahead were all suddenly shut down, I'll go to my grave believing they stopped counting and added bogus ballots to make Biden win not just one or two of them, but ALL OF THEM! :mad:

You can't be caught walking away from a building suddenly engulfed in a raging inferno, holding a can of gasoline and oily rags in your hand, then claim it's just a "coincidence" it's on fire!

Give me a break! 😏
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Every black Obama voter knew they had to vote for me to maintain their racial identities!
iu

Seems the one's who didn't at least maintained their sanity 'ya creep. 🤔

They won't do it again, I've seen to that!
iu

You sure did DJT, made sure that aging creep dropped out before they even had a chance to be stupid again! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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The nucleus of any form of democracy is this - "One person-one vote".

A procedure has been put in place in every state in order to vote. Essentially, in order to qualify, one must follow these 4 basic steps: 1) You must register to vote first; 2) You must be a US citizen 3) You must be 18 years old or older; and 4) You must vote in the state and precinct in which you reside.

In order for any vote to be fair, one must prove they have met those 4 qualifications. An ID is shown and the name on the ID is checked, checked off, and the person given a ballot. Easy as pie and simple as that.

Anything that differs from that puts the election at risk for fraud. The 2020 election, with its mail-in voting rather than in-person, put the results of the election at risk. It wouldn't matter if Trump won, the case for fraud could still be made.

In most elections, mail-in ballot are challenge votes anyway. They rarely come into play unless the election is really close. That's why in-person voting MUST be the only form of voting - because it does the BEST job of determining a fair election. The states, for the most part, have made voting much easier, i.e. early voting. No longer does one have only one day to vote; often standing in line for hours in who knows what type of weather or conditions. Most of the problems have been fixed.

In the end, these other arguments are frivolous. Who won in 2020? Doesn't matter now. Ballot harvesting? Don't allow mail-in voting or treat each mail-in ballot as a challenge vote. Only vote on one day? Give people multiple days to vote - it just has to be done in-person.
That doesn't fix much. Assume you and I both follow the 4 steps you outlined and we vote. How do we know our votes were counted and counted properly?

Your steps fix who can vote and how. Now we would need to fix who counts the votes and how we can verify the votes were counted accurately. Until we fix that, it doesn't matter who votes or how they vote.
 
Voting has always been anonymous and should stay that way. No reason in the world to change it.

If one is really passionate about making the process fair, lobby your state legislature to require in-person voting with proof of ID and registration before given a ballot. If it is done this way, no need to broadcast your vote (even though a basic social media search will reveal a person's views anyway).
No reason? There is a reason the lottery drawing is performed on live television with independent witnesses present. Why do you think that is?

What do you think would happen if I were allowed to go behind closed doors to draw the winning lottery numbers? You think I might personally know the winner?

That is exactly how our elections are done. No reason? GTFOH
 
That doesn't fix much. Assume you and I both follow the 4 steps you outlined and we vote. How do we know our votes were counted and counted properly?

Your steps fix who can vote and how. Now we would need to fix who counts the votes and how we can verify the votes were counted accurately. Until we fix that, it doesn't matter who votes or how they vote.
I'm not sure who, but one of the posters on here put up a meme essentially backing what you're saying...
(I'm paraphrasing here: "it doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes")

Sad we've developed such mistrust in the only legal way have available to make our voices heard? :frown:
 
I'm not sure who, but one of the posters on here put up a meme essentially backing what you're saying...
(I'm paraphrasing here: "it doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes")

Sad we've developed such mistrust in the only legal way have available to make our voices heard? :frown:
Exactly right. The banker in Monopoly always wins.
 
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Exactly right. The banker in Monopoly always wins.
I'd actually prefer international observers (who have no vested stake in the outcome) to oversee our vote counts, and then submit the totals to an independent standard auditing or accounting agency to assure accuracy based on the number of registered voters who actually cast ballots. The crap that happened in '20, where we had several thousand more ballots cast than actual registered voters in certain districts should never be allowed to happen again!
 
I'd actually prefer international observers (who have no vested stake in the outcome) to oversee our vote counts, and then submit the totals to an independent standard auditing or accounting agency to assure accuracy based on the number of registered voters who actually cast ballots. The crap that happened in '20, where we had several thousand more ballots cast than actual registered voters in certain districts should never be allowed to happen again!
Those people can be corrupted to dictate the outcome. That is probably better than what we have now but what if that agency consisted of Moe, sammy and Mountaineer WV? Every Dem on every ticket would miraculously win.

I have said all along and I could be wrong, but there is no way they allow Trump to win this election. The easiest way to do it is to rig the count behind closed doors. You likely need to only rig a couple precincts in 1 or 2 states.
 
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Until the 2020 election every Democrat in D.C said mail in voting was ripe for fraud and most normal thinking Americans agreed . We did mail in voting and miraculously Biden gets more black vote than Obama......the biggest turn out ever.
My wife comes home with rubbers in her purse I'm gonna speculate she's cheating.
Yes, you could speculate. And you could also discover that she wasn't.
 
Those people can be corrupted to dictate the outcome. That is probably better than what we have now but what if that agency consisted of Moe, sammy and Mountaineer WV? Every Dem on every ticket would miraculously win.

I have said all along and I could be wrong, but there is no way they allow Trump to win this election. The easiest way to do it is to rig the count behind closed doors. You likely need to only rig a couple precincts in 1 or 2 states.
That may be true, which is why I suggest turning over the monitored results to an independent accounting firm that can certify those counts were accurate and reflect the actual votes cast. Several do this. We have a company that certifies our numbers after our annual sales/inventory compilations.

KPMG (who does our audits) Deloitte, PwC, and a smaller company called EY. Unless there is independent verification of any counts, there will always be a question of who did the counting and was it on the up-and-up?
 
That may be true, which is why I suggest turning over the monitored results to an independent accounting firm that can certify those counts were accurate and reflect the actual votes cast. Several do this. We have a company that certifies our numbers after our annual sales/inventory compilations.

KPMG (who does our audits) Deloitte, PwC, and a small company called EY. Unless there is independent verification of any counts, there will always be a question of who did the counting and was it on the up-and-up?
E&Y isn’t small. lol, they’re one of the Big4
 
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