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Hahahahaha that debate, shewwww

1. Voter ID cards? No clue why anyone is against them.
2. Ballot signature verification......that's subjective because you know as well as I do that your signature does change throughout your years. Mine is not even close to what it was 5 years ago. How often would they verify? Every year? What do you do with people who cannot write (there are many that do not write cursive)?

I don't think either of those "fixes" anything. If people are going to cheat, they will find a way. Wouldn't be hard to fabricate Voter ID cards. Just give criminals time, they'll find a way. Are there fake driver's licenses?

I've always thought finger print scans would be a good idea, but I guess this technology would be 1) expensive and 2) not reasonable because it would require experts to analyze or rely on computers (which I don't like).
The technology exists to get around what you point out. We have chips inside our credit cards that are tied to our fingerprint or a special CCV number. There are retina scanners a voter could look into before being granted a ballot or a valid registration.

Certified photo IDs with tamper proof markings (similar to passports) can be used to authenticate valid registered voters. Signatures can be witnessed and notarized similar to important documents like mortgage applications and Marriage licenses.

There are ways to improve the fraud. However as I said, Democrats oppose all of them and/or make excuses why we can't have increased voter integrity measures to assure the person voting is legal, registered, and votes only once.

Why do they oppose these common sense measures to assure voter integrity? Because Democrats can't win unless they can cheat.

Why were those vote counts shut down on election night?

Ans: So Democrats could cheat.

Why do Democrats want illegals voting?

Ans: So Democrats can cheat.

Why do Democrats oppose voter I.D. requirements before registration or before casting a ballot?

Ans: So Democrats can cheat.


Democrats can't win unless they can cheat. They don't win unless they cheat.
 
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I have a smart phone that has a password requirement I have to utilize before I can operate it. It's a pattern I draw across the screen (only I know it) If I don't draw that pattern exactly as it's set, the phone won't work!

I can even set it up to recognize my face or my fingerprint or I can use a number/letter password combination only I know.

Why can't we have ballots tied to registrations utilizing the same types of secure I.D. technology? Request a ballot? Supply your pattern ID. to verify your registration eligibility. Show up to vote? Place your face in front of a scanner or camera to verify you are the same registered voter. If we can put these safeguards on our personal digital devices, why can't we put them on voter registrations and ballots?
 
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I have a smart phone that has a password requirement I have to utilize before I can operate it. It's a pattern I draw across the screen (only I know it) If I don't draw that pattern exactly as it's set, the phone won't work!

I can even set it up to recognize my face or my fingerprint or I can use a number/letter password combination only I know.

Why can't we have ballots tied to registrations utilizing the same types of secure I.D. technology? Request a ballot? Supply your pattern ID. to verify your registration eligibility. Show up to vote? Place your face in front of a scanner or camera to verify you are the same registered voter. If we can put these safeguards on our personal digital devices, why can't we put them on voter registrations and ballots?
So, you trust the phone technology as full proof, but the voting machines are all rigged? See a problem there? Of course you don't.

And do you realize that some of the same computer tech's that work in the "anti-virus" departments could be the same people who design the viruses? Think about it. Kind of like the Big Pharm and vaccines. How do you keep people coming back because they need your "fix"? Create something and spread it throughout the system to make them.
 
So, you trust the phone technology as full proof, but the voting machines are all rigged? See a problem there? Of course you don't.

And do you realize that some of the same computer tech's that work in the "anti-virus" departments could be the same people who design the viruses? Think about it. Kind of like the Big Pharm and vaccines. How do you keep people coming back because they need your "fix"? Create something and spread it throughout the system to make them.
You are full of "excuses" why we can't assure voter integrity but you can't explain why those swing State vote counts were suspended on election night just before Trump was set to secure a solid victory?

My passport photo is virtually impossible to forge or duplicate without it being dectected as fake. I can't get back into America from overseas without showing it! That is unless I claim I'm from Haiti; then they'd let me in no questions asked and invite me to pick which small Midwestern town I'd like a free plane ride to? 🤨
 
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You are full of "excuses" why we can't assure voter integrity but you can't explain why those swing State vote counts were suspended on election night just before Trump was set to secure a solid victory?

My passport photo is virtually impossible to forge or duplicate without it being dectected as fake. I can't get back into America from overseas without showing it! That is unless I claim I'm from Haiti; then they'd let me in no questions asked and invite me to pick which small Midwestern town I'd like a free plane ride to? 🤨
Honestly, play it out. What happens internationally if fraud is proven to have occurred? If they did commit fraud, and I think most reasonable people would agree they likely ballot harvested the hell out of that election, what does that do. Acknowledgement of it would be a major national security risk.

At this point, I’m convinced it happened, but I don’t want to know it happened. It needs to be corrected this Nov. and states need to shore up against the possibility of it happening in the future. Those that perpetrated it, let them move on, because trying to cage that tiger could be worse than just letting it roam free.

I think everyone knows if it were to be proven, it would destroy us from within, that’s why no one would touch it. You’ll never get me to believe Biden got 7 million more votes than Obama and have greater turnout in the black communities than Obama did. It’s just not real. That’s the only stat that actually matters. It’ll never be reconciled.
 
Honestly, play it out. What happens internationally if fraud is proven to have occurred? If they did commit fraud, and I think most reasonable people would agree they likely ballot harvested the hell out of that election, what does that do. Acknowledgement of it would be a major national security risk.

At this point, I’m convinced it happened, but I don’t want to know it happened. It needs to be corrected this Nov. and states need to shore up against the possibility of it happening in the future. Those that perpetrated it, let them move on, because trying to cage that tiger could be worse than just letting it roam free.

I think everyone knows if it were to be proven, it would destroy us from within, that’s why no one would touch it. You’ll never get me to believe Biden got 7 million more votes than Obama and have greater turnout in the black communities than Obama did. It’s just not real. That’s the only stat that actually matters. It’ll never be reconciled.
I actually agree with everything stated here EXCEPT...I want the perpetrators punished so they won't do it again! Yes we have to be sensitive to the ramifications of what happens undoing an election. That toothpaste can't be put back into the tube. However, it burns me up knowing violations of our election laws happened and no one has been held accountable!

NO ONE! :mad:

If we're going to jail 80 year old Grandmas who were marching on Jan 6th just asking for assurances their votes weren't stolen, we need to find and prosecute anyone who we can prove either forged ballots, manipulated vote counts, or otherwise broke existing election rules and/or Laws! If we don't make a point to find and prosecute the perps, they'll just do it again and the long term implications of that regarding the integrity and trust we have in our future elections would be far more damaging.
 
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You are full of "excuses" why we can't assure voter integrity but you can't explain why those swing State vote counts were suspended on election night just before Trump was set to secure a solid victory?

My passport photo is virtually impossible to forge or duplicate without it being dectected as fake. I can't get back into America from overseas without showing it! That is unless I claim I'm from Haiti; then they'd let me in no questions asked and invite me to pick which small Midwestern town I'd like a free plane ride to? 🤨
Ok. I can see this will go nowhere again. Just another wiping your ass with a wagon wheel. Never gonna stop.

I'm glad you have full faith in the modern technology of today. But want to go to paper ballots because of "fraud" and away from electronic voting machines. :joy:
 
Ok. I can see this will go nowhere again. Just another wiping your ass with a wagon wheel. Never gonna stop.

I'm glad you have full faith in the modern technology of today. But want to go to paper ballots because of "fraud" and away from electronic voting machines. :joy:
Who gets your "well protected" vote in '24? I'll 100% guarantee your lying coward ass either won't tell or won't tell the Truth. 🙄

@MountaineerWV ...stating the obvious
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No you aren't... just an unabashed liar. 😏
 
Who gets your "well protected" vote in '24? I'll 100% guarantee your lying coward ass either won't tell or won't tell the Truth. 🙄

@MountaineerWV ...stating the obvious
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No you aren't... just an unabashed liar. 😏
I thought you were a deeply "religious" man? You sure don't talk like it. And how does knowing who I'm saying I will vote for impact my statement on your ridiculous faith in "technology" when you don't even trust the technology we use in voting today? Wagon Wheel.
 
I thought you were a deeply "religious" man? You sure don't talk like it. And how does knowing who I'm saying I will vote for impact my statement on your ridiculous faith in "technology" when you don't even trust the technology we use in voting today? Wagon Wheel.
Coward.
 
how does knowing who I'm saying I will vote for impact my statement on your ridiculous faith in "technology" when you don't even trust the technology we use in voting today?
Allow me to "wipe" your lying coward ass again. Precisely because I do not trust the technology is the reason I'm calling for independent verification of who's voting? We don't even have to use "technology" per se.

Lying cheaters can have their fingerprint in ink on their voter registration card, then they can submit that same finger print at the voting booth which can then be placed under an infrared light to see if it matches the one on reg card?

I don't know how much money sits in your bank account, but I 100% gurantee your bank wouldn't give you a dime of it if you showed up to make a withdrawal without some sort of photo ID as proof of who you are? Try getting on an airplane without some photo proof of I.D. No "technology" involved in any of that simply showing your stupid face is there?

Folks in your dishonest worthless party not only don't want to check any sort of IDs before either registering someone to vote or handing them a ballot, they're actually encouraging illegals who are ineligible to sign up! Every single Democrat you vote for recently voted against requiring potential voters to prove their legal status as American citizens before registering to vote.

Every single one of them😡

Is it any wonder why you're too embarrassed to say which one of those dishonest cretins gets your carefully considered and properly verified mindless vote? 🤨

I think that explains it all. Now, I'm finished wiping your stupid ass.
 
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Allow me to "wipe" your lying coward ass again. Precisely because I do not trust the technology is the reason I'm calling for independent verification of who's voting? We don't even have to use "technology" per se.

Lying cheaters can have their fingerprint in ink on their voter registration card, then they can submit that same finger print at the voting booth which can then be placed under an infrared light to see if it matches the one on reg card?

I don't know how much money sits in your bank account, but I 100% gurantee your bank wouldn't give you a dime of it if you showed up to make a withdrawal without some sort of photo ID as proof of who you are? Try getting on an airplane without some photo proof of I.D. No "technology" involved in any of that simply showing your stupid face is there?

Folks in your dishonest worthless party not only don't want to check any sort of IDs before either registering someone to vote or handing them a ballot, they're actually encouraging illegals who are ineligible to sign up! Every single Democrat you vote for recently voted against requiring potential voters to prove their legal status as American citizens before registering to vote.

Every single one of them😡

Is it any wonder why you're too embarrassed to say which one of those dishonest cretins gets your carefully considered and properly verified mindless vote? 🤨

I think that explains it all. Now, I'm finished wiping your stupid ass.
That's not very Christian-like. Remember this the next time you try to shame another for their lack of religion or sinful ways.

The 2020 election really broke you. For that, I'm sorry. Seek help before it consumes your life and family.
 
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A judge excoriated a Colorado county clerk for her crimes and lies before sentencing her Thursday to nine years behind bars for a data-breach scheme spawned from the rampant false claims about voting machine fraud in the 2020 presidential race.

District Judge Matthew Barrett told former Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters — after earlier sparring with her for continuing to press discredited claims about rigged voting machines — that she never took her job seriously.

“I am convinced you would do it all over again if you could. You’re as defiant as any defendant this court has ever seen,” Barrett told her in handing down the sentence. “You are no hero. You abused your position and you’re a charlatan.”


Jurors found Peters guilty in August for allowing a man to misuse a security card to access to the Mesa County election system and for being deceptive about that person’s identity.

The man was affiliated with My Pillow chief executive Mike Lindell, a prominent promoter of false claims that voting machines were manipulated to steal the election from former President Donald Trump.

At trial, prosecutors said Peters, a Republican, was seeking fame and became “fixated” on voting problems after becoming involved with those who had questioned the accuracy of the presidential election results.

A one-time hero to election deniers, Peters has been unapologetic about what happened.

Before being sentenced, Peters insisted that everything she did to try to unroot what she believed was fraud was for the greater good.

“I’ve never done anything with malice to break the law. I’ve only wanted to serve the people of Mesa County,” she told the court.

When Peters tried to press on with claims no legal authority has corroborated about “wireless devices” and software that changed ballot images in voting machines she drew the judge’s exasperation, who pointed out that ballot recounts showed no discrepancies.

“I’ve let you go on enough about this,” Judge Barrett said. “The votes are the votes.”

Later, the judge pointed out how Peters has kept up public appearances in broadcasts to sympathetic audiences for her own benefit.

“It’s just more lies. No objective person believes them. No, at the end of the day, you cared about the jets, the podcasts and people flying with you,” Barrett said.

Peters had the right to be defiant, he noted, but it was “certainly not helpful for her lot today.”

The breach led by Peters heightened concerns that rogue election workers sympathetic to partisan lies could use their access and knowledge to attack voting processes from within.

Peters was convicted of three counts of attempting to influence a public servant, one count of conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation, first-degree official misconduct, violation of duty and failing to comply with the secretary of state.

She was found not guilty of identity theft, one count of conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation and one count of criminal impersonation.

In a post on the social media platform X after her conviction, Peters accused Colorado-based Dominion Voting Systems, which made her county’s election system, as well as lawyers for state election officials of stealing votes.

“I will continue to fight until the Truth is revealed that was not allowed to be brought during this trial. This is a sad day for our nation and the world. But we WILL win in the end,” she said.

Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser has called her conviction a warning that tampering with voting processes will bring consequences.
 
1. Voter ID cards? No clue why anyone is against them.
2. Ballot signature verification......that's subjective because you know as well as I do that your signature does change throughout your years. Mine is not even close to what it was 5 years ago. How often would they verify? Every year? What do you do with people who cannot write (there are many that do not write cursive)?

I don't think either of those "fixes" anything. If people are going to cheat, they will find a way. Wouldn't be hard to fabricate Voter ID cards. Just give criminals time, they'll find a way. Are there fake driver's licenses?

I've always thought finger print scans would be a good idea, but I guess this technology would be 1) expensive and 2) not reasonable because it would require experts to analyze or rely on computers (which I don't like).
Easy. Require IDs and make everyone's vote in the country a public record. It is the secrecy of the vote counts that allows cheating to be insanely easy.
 
Meaning? Show who each person voted for?
Yep. I am not sure how it could be best implemented but right now, the poll workers could literally throw the entire day's votes in the dumpster behind the polling station and no voters would ever know. And the computers could just repeat the same screens over and over without collecting any data and we wouldn't know.

I'm not saying any of that occurred but it only takes a very small number of people in the right positions to change the outcome of an entire election.

And I don't care about people suffering repercussions for how they vote. People wearing Maga hats have already been assaulted for no other reason so we might as well have transparent elections to go with those assaults.
 
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Yep. I am not sure how it could be best implemented but right now, the poll workers could literally throw the entire day's votes in the dumpster behind the polling station and no voters would ever know. And the computers could just repeat the same screens over and over without collecting any data and we wouldn't know.

I'm not saying any of that occurred but it only takes a very small number of people in the right positions to change the outcome of an entire election.

And I don't care about people suffering repercussions for how they vote. People wearing Maga hats have already been assaulted for no other reason so we might as well have transparent elections to go with those assaults.
Wow. At least you admit that you like dictatorial measures and not hiding your feelings.

So, will we need to build more prisons for those that vote against the guy who wins?

Your belief that MAGA people are suffering repercussions is laughable.
 
Wow. At least you admit that you like dictatorial measures and not hiding your feelings.
Making voting a public record is a dictatorial measure?

Transparency is the opposite of dictatorial. It ensures everyone's votes are counted and counted properly. The current system is far more dictatorial because it is shrouded in secrecy.
 
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Making voting a public record is a dictatorial measure?

Transparency is the opposite of dictatorial. It ensures everyone's votes are counted and counted properly. The current system is far more dictatorial because it is shrouded in secrecy.
If you truly believe that disclosing a person's vote will fix problems, and not create more, then I have nothing else to say. Seriously.

Example: Job interview "So, I see you voted for the other guy. Sorry, we can't hire you"
 
That's not very Christian-like. Remember this the next time you try to shame another for their lack of religion or sinful ways.

The 2020 election really broke you. For that, I'm sorry. Seek help before it consumes your life and family.
If I actually thought for one Sinful moment my Salvation rests on your Mercy or your advice, I'd be making my reservations for Hell tomorrow! Thankfully Christ's message for folks like you resonates loud and clear with me whenever I encounter your Sinful, deceitful, blasphemous Soul.

Such people claim they know God, but they deny him by the way they live. They are detestable and disobedient, worthless for doing anything good. To the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their actions they deny Him. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed-Titus 1:15-16

Oh my how appropriate those words from our Living Lord and Savior befit YOU!!!!!! 😏
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If you truly believe that disclosing a person's vote will fix problems, and not create more, then I have nothing else to say. Seriously.

Example: Job interview "So, I see you voted for the other guy. Sorry, we can't hire you"
People get fired for their political and social views already. Might as well have open elections to go with it.

And you didn't tell me how transparency in an election is dictatorial.
 
If I actually thought for one Sinful moment my Salvation rests on your Mercy or your advice, I'd be making my reservations for Hell tomorrow! Thankfully Christ's message for folks like you resonates loud and clear with me whenever I encounter your Sinful, deceitful, blasphemous Soul.

Such people claim they know God, but they deny him by the way they live. They are detestable and disobedient, worthless for doing anything good. To the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their actions they deny Him. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed-Titus 1:15-16

Oh my how appropriate those words from our Living Lord and Savior befit YOU!!!!!! 😏
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1. Christians aren't supposed to judge others - You violate that in every post
2. Christians should love thy neighbor unconditional - You violate that in every post

You LOVE talking about "facts". Well......you might be well on your way to your destination as we speak..... [thumbsup]
 
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People get fired for their political and social views already. Might as well have open elections to go with it.

And you didn't tell me how transparency in an election is dictatorial.
That's because he's a Democrat and Democrats like to accuse others of what they, themselves, are doing.
 
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People get fired for their political and social views already. Might as well have open elections to go with it.

And you didn't tell me how transparency in an election is dictatorial.
So, again, you agree that people should face consequences with employment, housing, etc. just for who they vote for? And you want to know what is "dictatorial" about that? :joy:
 
If you truly believe that disclosing a person's vote will fix problems, and not create more, then I have nothing else to say. Seriously.

Example: Job interview "So, I see you voted for the other guy. Sorry, we can't hire you"
Are you really this dumb? Have you ever heard of the Equal Employment Opportunity Act? It is literally against the law to fire someone based on discrimination.
 
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That's not very Christian-like.
How on Earth would YOU have any idea what's "Christian like"? 🤔 I'll tell you what Christians I know do. They TELL THE TRUTH. They don't make false accusations against other Christians! They don't lie about where their allegiance lies (in the Word of Almighty God, and shed Blood of Christ Jesus) and they most certainly don't chastise other believers in the midst their walk! :mad:

If you know what being "Christian like" exemplifies, I'm not sure how you're able to tell the difference?

Do you Love Christ with all your heart mind and body? Do you profess him as your risen Savior, and enthusiastically lead others to his Life giving Mercy & Salvation? Do you exalt his Holy name above all others and rejoice with other believers in uplifting his Holy Word by proclamation, directly pointing to it for Wisdom and advice in your daily interchanges with others? That's what Christ calls believers to do..."the great commission"...spreading the Gospel and Praying for lost Souls!

Liars have no place in Heaven, and Christ's followers DO NOT lie about or refuse to proclaim their Worship of him as Lord & Savior!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, nor liars will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Is this YOU? Are you "Christian like" as you accuse me of NOT being?

@MountaineerWV
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You know as well as I that it’s still done. Are you really this gullible?
No, but you said it as a documented reason not to hire. If it’s a reason used behind the scenes? Ok, yes it happens. It also happens because you’re ugly or you’re too pretty. Or you’re dumb. Or. you won’t fit in. Welcome to life. I’d rather have a fair honest election that shows who I support rather than my vote changed to support who I don’t support. That’s the message here. Do i believe what the OP said about broadcasting my vote to America? No, but it should be verified I cast it and also it was cast correctly.
 
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1. Christians aren't supposed to judge others - You violate that in every post
2. Christians should love thy neighbor unconditional - You violate that in every post

You LOVE talking about "facts". Well......you might be well on your way to your destination as we speak..... [thumbsup]
You are once again demonstrating YOU ARE NO CHRISTIAN. True, we cannot pass final Judgement on others, that is the providence of Almighty God himself. However Christ indeed admonishes us not only to "judge"...but to rebuke, correct, and encourage others in the Faith. NOT CALL OUT BELIEVERS OR LIE ABOUT THEM!

And whom You teach out of Your law; preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 2 Timothy 4:2.

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction.
2 Timothy 3:16.

Sure sounds like to me like one must indeed "judge" before one can correct in the Name of Jesus!

@MountaineerWV
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No, but you said it as a documented reason not to hire. If it’s a reason used behind the scenes? Ok, yes it happens. It also happens because you’re ugly or you’re too pretty. Or you’re dumb. Or. you won’t fit in. Welcome to life. I’d rather have a fair honest election that shows who I support rather than my vote changed to support who I don’t support. That’s the message here. Do i believe what the OP said about broadcasting my vote to America? No, but it should be verified I cast it and also it was cast correctly.
Now you are catching on. Just add now the who you voted for and BINGO. Congrats!

You guys are really broken. That 2020 election broke you, and I don't think you can get back. You firmly believe your votes get "changed". All because a bunch of people made the claims, they took it to court, and the judges laughed it out.
 
If it makes you sleep better at night, fine. But He knows.

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Christ says if you deny him, he will deny YOU. So you already have your answer as to how you'll be "judged".

But whoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 10:33
 
So, again, you agree that people should face consequences with employment, housing, etc. just for who they vote for? And you want to know what is "dictatorial" about that? :joy:
No. I am not agreeing with you that people should face consequences with employment, housing, etc. just for who they vote for. I didn't say that and you are being dishonest suggesting that.

They shouldn't face any consequences. But the reality is they have and will continue to do so I don't want to hear a bunch of nonsense that it will suddenly happen with public disclosure. Stop telling me "action X will cause Y" is a reason not to take such action when Y is already occurring without X.

Seems to me that having elections shrouded in secrecy by the establishment while people are facing consequences for who they vote for is more dictatorial.
 
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