Well, we won 9 games last season, and that is better than the 5 we won in 2022. So there was progress. When it comes to this season, why don't you just wait until we're near the end before you judge? We are currently 3-2, and that's where most experts expected us to be at this point. WVU has rarely been apart of the national conversation. It's going to be even harder now that you have to compete against the Big 10 and Sec teams that have twice the money that you have. The Big 12 teams and ACC teams are going to struggle under this new economic model.
Good win....
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I would say that you're the one who needs to grow up and get a life. It's pretty clear that the hatred you have for the coach trumps giving credit for a win on the road. If you are going to accuse others on here of being A holes, then I guess it's better to be accused of being one than to actually be one like yourself.
Do you prefer losses rather than wins?
Everyone knows what Neal Brown has or has not done. No need to beat a dead horse. Let WVU fans be fans.
I dont get mad when people trust the climb. You have your opinion, i have mine. What makes some of you an asshole is attacking fans who dont trust the climb the eay you do and then getting mad when they fire back. . You go out of your way to do it. And you lie. For instance I gave credit for this win and so did others who don't trust the climb. It was a great game but that doesn't make me like Neil Brown lol. You just can't handle it so you lie and say people don't give the team credit for a road win. You're just full of shit. Why don't you just leave it alone and let people not like Neil Brown lol.
I don't hate or love Neal Brown. I love WVU. I don't have delusions of WVU ever being a blue blood, but I also do not think Nehlen's and RR's successes are out of reach. My point is we hired Brown expecting more than what Holgorsen did and so far Holgorsen's record at WVU is far superior. This single, and relatively lackluster, win does not change that.
Secondly, Vernon conceded my point by not answering this simple question. If a college football team from year to year is not the same due to roster turnover, then why is the team the same when that equal roster turnover occurs between regular season and bowl game?
Last year was the easiest schedule WVU has ever had in the Big 12. You wouldn't concede to Marshall trolls about their 13-0 record against chumps making them better than WVU. And the same reason you wouldn't applies here. Compare the following teams:
10-3 record. Lost by 28 to number 5 and 17 to number 11
7-5 record. Beat number 7 by 14, lost to number 3 by 1, lost to number 4 by 10, lost to number 18 by 6.
Tell my phone that. Im doing talk to text. If I took the time to type it with my thumbs I would probably call him poop stain or Neil clown or something like that.
Neil Brown is the worst coach WVU football has had since at least the '70s. Maybe the 1870s. Prove it wrong
For two years you have been attacking people who don't like the coach. People who have never even commented to you or started any kind of personal problem with anybody on the message board. But you come out calling them names almost immediately just because they don't like the coach. You've done it to me and anyone else who doesn't like Neil brown. And then on the other hand you report the people who fire back at you and basically do the same thing that you do to them lol. There is no bigger baby wimp on the entire internet than you dude. You are utterly pathetic. You, brew and midget allen are constantly calling people names and making personal attacks. It's what you do, whether ppl do it to you or not. You should report yourself. You are the worst there is....
look..I know you're a moron and you know you're a moron....keep posting and everyone will eventually know it..who's the only coach in the last 50 yrs with a winning bowl record?
I don't think you can call someone a moron and then use a coach's record in 2 meaningless bowls to say he is on the level of other WVU coach's over the last 50 years that actually had WVU on the precipice of a national championship. If you do not believe Brown is better than Nehlen or Rodriguez, there is no logical reason to bring up this statistic.
I broke it down on another post where from 1970 until now, Brown and Cignetti are tied for least ranked finishes and least ranked wins. Brown is only better than Cignetti in win percentage since 1970.
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Brown has taken WVU to 3 meaningless bowls and is 2-1. Playoffs are the ultimate goal now and not bowls. A title is the prize.
Bowls are good for those who love football and their team.
I understand that. I'm just saying that WESTBGVA's statement that Brown is the only WVU coach with a winning bowl record over the last 50 years is meaningless. It's like comparing bowl appearances in years where 85+ teams appear in bowls vs years where only around 30 teams appear in bowls.
isn't WVU's eight straight bowl losses a record? That old joke....what does marijuana and WVU football have in common?...they both get smoked in bowls...so when is a bowl meaningful?
If you are fortunate to be invited to a bowl, it is an accomplishment. In the past 20 years or so, that has been diminished by some fans that twist the accomplishment with an agenda like those that hate the coach. Most of the players and all the coaching staff except for a few players that want to protect their bodies for the NFL are very pleased they are going to a bowl and they try their best. These hating fans, some actually root against their team and if they lose, they beat their drum of "the coach sucks" and if the team wins, the story becomes "doesn't mean anything" or "not as significant as the old days". Bunch of fools with their double talk and WVU fan base is full of them as it is witnessed here.
Nehlen said that there's three things that will determine the success of your program...the schedule, the schedule, and the schedule.
Bobby Bowden was a great coach..in the WVU hall of fame..FSU's and College Football HOF..two national titles
his first three seasons @ WVU were 8-3, 7-4, 8-4...not bad...we played William & Mary, VMI, and Richmond each season...the fourth yr W&M and VMI came off the schedules permanently....the next two seasons he was 6-5 and 4-7
Bobby Bowden was a great coach..in the WVU hall of fame..FSU's and College Football HOF..two national titles
his first three seasons @ WVU were 8-3, 7-4, 8-4...not bad...we played William & Mary, VMI, and Richmond each season...the fourth yr W&M and VMI came off the schedules permanently....the next two seasons he was 6-5 and 4-7
Notre Dame broke it with 9 thankfully, and WVUBRU, going .500 to get to a bowl is not an accomplishment especially when the players no longer want to play in them.
Easy. When 2 top 30-40 teams in the nation play in it pre 2016 and any bowl game post 2016 that meets the same criteria PLUS key players from each team not opting out for non injury reasons. Now care to discuss when overall win percentage, wins vs ranked teams and ranked season finishes are meaningful?
This is the typical response of a loser. Making a bowl when less than half the teams in the FBS make them objectively is more selective and meaningful than when well over half the FBS teams make them. And since that objective fact destroys your "a bowl is a bowl" over simplification, you attack the motives as "you just hate <insert person or group here>".
If anyone says that Bill Stewart is a great coach and Holgorsen is utter trash or vice versa, then you'd have an argument its about personal animus as they are objectively similar. But here, Brown is objectively worse than every coach, save Cignetti, that WVU has had since 1970. That is true regardless of whether the person pointing it out hates or loves Brown.
Old argument. Everybody knows Brown has not been up to standard and neither was Holgs. Cheering for your team win or lose should not be admonished or attacked.
Exactly. Fools don't understand words. Accomplishment doesn't mean achieving a great goal like making the playoffs or winning the NC which for WVU is a much tough hill to climb versus about 10 programs across the country. We aren't at that level to holding the coach (any coach) to that expectation and only that expectation is not valid in my opinion. But even if you want to hold the coach to that level every freaking year, under no circumstance one should be so ridiculous with their words as we see from so many fanbases.
comparing won/loss records is pure stupidity....we don't play Temple, Villanova, VMI ,Richmond etc...WVU lost two yrs in a row to Tulane and Bowden opened the 74 season with a loss to Richmond @ home
