Gee on expansion and upcoming meetings

[Buckaineer]

excerpt:

“Of course, I was on the [expansion] committee,” Gee said. “We saw all the possibilities of expansion and the opportunities that exist. We also understand there are other variations that can take place too. I happen to be very enthusiastic about expansion, but I also understand it needs to make sense. We need to understand the opportunities and consequences, intended or unintended. I really don’t know if it’s likely or less likely. I think that will be determined by discussions we have on Monday.”

If the Big 12 doesn’t expand, it will leave money on the table under the pro rata clause with TV partners ESPN and Fox. The league has also indicated, though, it wants to work with the networks and not anger them with a money grab.

In a subject tied to that, recent reports have it that Big 12 members won’t this year extend their grant of TV rights agreement to the league beyond its expiration in 2025. That’s led to speculation Oklahoma, Texas or other league members might look to fly elsewhere.

“I don’t think it means anything,” Gee said. “I think we need to resolve the issue of expansion before we get talking about other issues. If we’re to add teams, that adds different dynamics. We need to resolve the expansion issue first.”

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports...-gordon-gee-eyes-big-12-expansion-discussions

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Undefeated and ranked in the top 20...all you can talk about is expansion.

The Big 12 is probably going to stay at 10 for the foreseeable future, you should probably just accept it.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

excerpt:

“ We also understand there are other variations that can take place too.”

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports...-gordon-gee-eyes-big-12-expansion-discussions

Hmmm .... other variations?

Like maybe ESPN spearheading a new conference out of the B12 that includes some new teams and derives money from internet streaming subscriptions or pay per view?

 

[Buckaineer]

Hmmm .... other variations?

Like maybe ESPN spearheading a new conference out of the B12 that includes some new teams and derives money from internet streaming subscriptions or pay per view?

? A new conference? Where is that coming from? Most likely Gee was referring to the "pay not to expand" scenario some have brought up.

 

[Rootmaster]

4-0 means nothing when compared to the stability of the Big 12-2=10 and the impact on all WVU athletics in the future. lol head in sand thinking.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

? A new conference? Where is that coming from? Most likely Gee was referring to the "pay not to expand" scenario some have brought up.

Again, Gee said, "We saw all the possibilities of expansion and the opportunities that exist. We also understand there are other variations that can take place too."

He mentions two things there ... 1) ALL possibilities of EXPANSION that exist. And 2) OTHER VARIATIONS.

He is saying there are possibilities out there that are not as simple as the Big XII expanding. Those words came from GEE! I have no idea what will or won't happen.But Gee referred to other possibilities.

Now click on the links

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...2/big-12-expansion-candidates-colorado-whaaat

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/nebraska-rejoin-big-12/326385

And there is this from Tim Montemayor on Twitter ....

Confirmed w/ 5 sources: 2 in TV, 2 university sources involved with #BIGXII expansion and a prominent Nebraska alum that ...
...talks are ongoing for the creation of a new conference that would include Nebraska, TCU, BYU, Cincinnatti and a majority ...
...of current #BIGXII members. OU is part of those discussions but is reluctant to be involved. The new venture has prelim support of ...
...ESPN, FS1, Directv, and Google. The significant obstacle appears to be OU and cooperation of many other entities including the NCAA.
The new money available through online streaming and "enterprising new content" is a significant and would be groundbreaking in the way ...
...college football games and non-game content is distributed & consumed by fans
ESPN is working hard to fix their subscriber purge the idea of working with universities and tech companies to deliver viewers may fix that


BOTTOM LINE
ESPN is losing money hand over fist. That's a fact. So the possibility of them exploring a new conference coming out of the XII and adding some other teams that derives money from online streaming versus the traditional TV route makes perfect sense.

Don't know how serious the talks could be or if it will happen. But Gee (GEE!) mentioned other variations.The stuff I have given you certainly fits the scenario of "other variations."

 

[topdecktiger]

ESPN is losing money hand over fist. That's a fact. So the possibility of them exploring a new conference coming out of the XII and adding some other teams that derives money from online streaming versus the traditional TV route makes perfect sense.

Don't know how serious the talks could be or if it will happen. But Gee (GEE!) mentioned other variations.The stuff I have given you certainly fits the scenario of "other variations."

ESPN is not losing money. There revenue is down, but ESPN is still making a profit.

You are jumping to conclusions about the "other variations" comment. Gee didn't say anything remotely suggesting there would be an entirely new conference. You are adding that in on your own.

Simply put, it won't happen. Nebraska isn't leaving the Big Ten. I will bet you any amount of money you name.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

ESPN is not losing money. There revenue is down, but ESPN is still making a profit.

You are jumping to conclusions about the "other variations" comment. Gee didn't say anything remotely suggesting there would be an entirely new conference. You are adding that in on your own.

Simply put, it won't happen. Nebraska isn't leaving the Big Ten. I will bet you any amount of money you name.

OK ... since ESPN is not losing money, but just not making near the amount of money they are used to making, they have no incentive whatsoever to find a way to make money. Right!

And while Gee did not actually say anything about a new conference he clearly made a distinction between conference expansion and other variations. Since other variations was distinguished from conference expansion what else could it possibly mean?

Get it? Gee drew a distinction between conference expansion AND other variations. Read his words carefully. Gee said, " (1) We saw all the possibilities of expansion and the opportunities that exist. (2) We also understand there are other variations that can take place too."

I have no freaking idea if Nebraska leaves the B1G. Nor do I care. But Gee said that "other variations" can take place and forming a new conference out of the XII and some other teams (like Nebraska) clearly is an "other variation" of the a future possibility.

I have jumped to no conclusion. But you have.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Undefeated and ranked in the top 20...all you can talk about is expansion.

The Big 12 is probably going to stay at 10 for the foreseeable future, you should probably just accept it.

You're so wise!

 

[Pitt4Life34]

4-0 means nothing when compared to the stability of the Big 12-2=10 and the impact on all WVU athletics in the future. lol head in sand thinking.

I think he's referring to the brainiacs on this site that are obsessed with an expansion blow-by-blow from Buckhead like it matters. I agree with him. What the fuvk do any of you idiots know that we can't google and read when we are super bored. The Big 12 is either gonna add 2, 4 or none. Some are for it and some are not. They're either gonna extend the GOR or not. They're either gonna start some kind of network or not. And, everyone is a basic biaatch at the feet of Texas and Oklahoma. Did I miss any thing from the insiders on this site LOL.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Again, Gee said, "We saw all the possibilities of expansion and the opportunities that exist. We also understand there are other variations that can take place too."

He mentions two things there ... 1) ALL possibilities of EXPANSION that exist. And 2) OTHER VARIATIONS.

He is saying there are possibilities out there that are not as simple as the Big XII expanding. Those words came from GEE! I have no idea what will or won't happen.But Gee referred to other possibilities.

Now click on the links

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...2/big-12-expansion-candidates-colorado-whaaat

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/nebraska-rejoin-big-12/326385

And there is this from Tim Montemayor on Twitter ....

Confirmed w/ 5 sources: 2 in TV, 2 university sources involved with #BIGXII expansion and a prominent Nebraska alum that ...
...talks are ongoing for the creation of a new conference that would include Nebraska, TCU, BYU, Cincinnatti and a majority ...
...of current #BIGXII members. OU is part of those discussions but is reluctant to be involved. The new venture has prelim support of ...
...ESPN, FS1, Directv, and Google. The significant obstacle appears to be OU and cooperation of many other entities including the NCAA.
The new money available through online streaming and "enterprising new content" is a significant and would be groundbreaking in the way ...
...college football games and non-game content is distributed & consumed by fans
ESPN is working hard to fix their subscriber purge the idea of working with universities and tech companies to deliver viewers may fix that


BOTTOM LINE
ESPN is losing money hand over fist. That's a fact. So the possibility of them exploring a new conference coming out of the XII and adding some other teams that derives money from online streaming versus the traditional TV route makes perfect sense.

Don't know how serious the talks could be or if it will happen. But Gee (GEE!) mentioned other variations.The stuff I have given you certainly fits the scenario of "other variations."

Wrong all possibilities means all available schools that interviewed. And guess what? Those prospects sucked LOL. You think Texas and Oklahoma are tying themselves to that crap list. No f'n way! Oklahoma out west or SEC with Oklahoma St. Texas to Big10 or ACC. Longhorn Network starts making money they may try to save conference. 10% chance of that happening.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

OK ... since ESPN is not losing money, but just not making near the amount of money they are used to making, they have no incentive whatsoever to find a way to make money. Right!

And while Gee did not actually say anything about a new conference he clearly made a distinction between conference expansion and other variations. Since other variations was distinguished from conference expansion what else could it possibly mean?

Get it? Gee drew a distinction between conference expansion AND other variations. Read his words carefully. Gee said, " (1) We saw all the possibilities of expansion and the opportunities that exist. (2) We also understand there are other variations that can take place too."

I have no freaking idea if Nebraska leaves the B1G. Nor do I care. But Gee said that "other variations" can

take place and forming a new conference out of the XII and some other teams (like Nebraska) clearly is an "other variation" of the a future possibility.

I have jumped to no conclusion. But you have.

Opportunities = Schools
Variations = 2 or 4.


Take a leap here. Not one ACC school is a target to join Big12. Not one school from SEC will join the Big12. Only Nebraska from Big10(of course that will not happen). Only Colorado from PAC12(I wouldn't say never but doubt it). So that leaves Gee grasping at straws trying to explain the future prospects. Maybe a call to Notre Dame went directly to voice mail. Maybe a call to OSU and Michigan went unanswered. Or, USC and UCLA threaten Gee with police action if he didn't stop harassing them. So when he discusses variations with the press he probably is describing an expansion brain storming session that turned into a panic attack. Could ya blame him?

 

[Buckaineer]

The BIG 12 has contracts in place through 2025.

Some other things have happened that are putting a timeline on the existing conference remaining as is through 2022 at least. WVU just extended some tier 3 rights agreements through 2022 with Root Sports. You don't do that if you think you won't have a conference.

The BIG 12 also is now bidding for a CCG site through 2022.

You don't bid out and sign contracts with cities and stadiums for the next five years if the conference won't exist over the next five years.

OU is under a grant of rights through 2025 as is everyone else--not sure why some can't understand this. You don't just "get out"--that was never any more valid than the recent "don't do anything cause ACC teams are going to be available in a few years" b.s.

When Gee talks of variations he is talking of variations around expansion and realignment. 10, 12, or 14 teams? Paid off instead of expanding. Those sorts of things--not a new imaginary conference

As for the jerk Jacobs? Seems he believes 100% that things written on the internet DO have influence--since he constantly feels a need to shut others up and stop others from paying attention to people like myself who are having discussions on message boards about issues relevant to WVU and the BIG 12, rather than simply trolling and derailing threads as he/she does.

 

[Beechurst]

I think he's referring to the brainiacs on this site that are obsessed with an expansion blow-by-blow from Buckhead like it matters. I agree with him. What the fuvk do any of you idiots know that we can't google and read when we are super bored. The Big 12 is either gonna add 2, 4 or none. Some are for it and some are not. They're either gonna extend the GOR or not. They're either gonna start some kind of network or not. And, everyone is a basic biaatch at the feet of Texas and Oklahoma. Did I miss any thing from the insiders on this site LOL.

It has LONG been Buck's job -- as a paid shill -- to ferret out any fragment of pro-Big 12 expansion information -- no matter how minuscule -- and spin it into his multi-message board webs.

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[Buckaineer]

Beechurst is a troll. Or a paid shill.

He is either a very disturbed individual with an enormous ego upset because I can discuss goings on with intelligence while he/she cannot, and extremely upset that his/her ego is not getting the attention he/she craves

or

HE/SHE is a paid shill trying to derail any expansion talk at WVU among the fanbase by bullying, derailing and attacking anyone bringing any factual information to the situation.

Ask yourself--WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO BEECHURST AND JACOBS THAT NO ONE HEAR ANY FACTS ABOUT BIG 12 EXPANSION? WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO THEM THAT NO ONE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE CRITICAL TO WVU'S FUTURE?

There isn't a more pressing issue that is going to determine West Virginia Universities ability to remain a major player than this--and there is a meeting about it MONDAY. Why then would fans of WVU NOT talk about it? Why are Beechurst and Jacobs DETERMINED to STOP anyone from talking about it?

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Who would pay people to go on the internet and try to torpedo the Big 12? The Big 12 does a good enough job of that on their own.

The problem has always been TEXAS. The Big 12 started dying the second they ran off MU, AM, NU, and CU.

Adding Cincy and UConn isn't going to save this conference. By the way, I saw yesterday that Gee supports adding Tulane. TULANE

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

The BIG 12 has contracts in place through 2025.

The BIG 12 also is now bidding for a CCG site through 2022.

You don't bid out and sign contracts with cities and stadiums for the next five years if the conference won't exist over the next five years.

OU is under a grant of rights through 2025 as is everyone else--not sure why some can't understand this. You don't just "get out"--that was never any more valid than the recent "don't do anything cause ACC teams are going to be available in a few years" b.s.

When Gee talks of variations he is talking of variations around expansion and realignment. 10, 12, or 14 teams? Paid off instead of expanding. Those sorts of things--not a new imaginary conference

As for the jerk Jacobs? Seems he believes 100% that things written on the internet DO have influence--since he constantly feels a need to shut others up and stop others from paying attention to people like myself who are having discussions on message boards about issues relevant to WVU and the BIG 12, rather than simply trolling and derailing threads as he/she does.

Good grief .... you can get out easily if the majority agrees to change the rules. It is that simple.
And Gee distinguished between expansion and other variations. That is a fact.

Other variations is a bit of a fill in the blank expression.
I have not insisted that other variations is in fact a certain thing.
You, on the other hand, are the one who insists that is must be the way you say it will be.
I merely offer a possibility and you come against me as if I insist it will be that way.
You are full of yourself.

If an entity ceases to exist are they still bound to contracts it previously entered?
I am sure it is, like Gee said, a very complex situation with many moving parts and not the simple situation you make it out to be. You are full of yourself.

And who is to say that discussion of a new conference isn't something that is being looked at long term instead of the short term? Who is say that if those conversations are taking place that they don't concern possible anticipated activity in the 2020's? I have offered no time-line. But you act like I have. You are full of yourself.

I stand by my assertion that a POSSIBLE new conference in the futures fits in the blank of "other variations" that Gee has given us.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

How does one become a paid shill?

I bet you need to know someone, darn.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Good grief .... you can get out easily if the majority agrees to change the rules. It is that simple.
And Gee distinguished between expansion and other variations. That is a fact.

Other variations is a bit of a fill in the blank expression.
I have not insisted that other variations is in fact a certain thing.
You, on the other hand, are the one who insists that is must be the way you say it will be.
I merely offer a possibility and you come against me as if I insist it will be that way.
You are full of yourself.

If an entity ceases to exist are they still bound to contracts it previously entered?
I am sure it is, like Gee said, a very complex situation with many moving parts and not the simple situation you make it out to be. You are full of yourself.

And who is to say that discussion of a new conference isn't something that is being looked at long term instead of the short term? Who is say that if those conversations are taking place that they don't concern possible anticipated activity in the 2020's? I have offered no time-line. But you act like I have. You are full of yourself.

I stand by my assertion that a POSSIBLE new conference in the futures fits in the blank of "other variations" that Gee has given us.

Future contracts don't signal anything, like Buck implies. It's business as usual until it isn't.

The contracts would be with the B12 and the vendors, the schools themselves would most likely be shielded from the liability and the contracts for the game sites probably have an early termination clause included, no big deal.

 

[Rootmaster]

you idiots

And I bet you thought that Bernie was your main man too! BTW: Don't use these terms on folks, it shows the limited depth of your vocabulary. lol

 

[WVU enginEER]

Hmmm .... other variations?

Like maybe ESPN spearheading a new conference out of the B12 that includes some new teams and derives money from internet streaming subscriptions or pay per view?

Maybe a network sponsors it's own conference. Recruits its own teams..... hell, I don't know where I was going with this..

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

Maybe a network sponsors it's own conference. Recruits its own teams..... hell, I don't know where I was going with this..

Yeah. Maybe it means that and the network decides income from online streaming is the future.

Here is an article from this spring. Click on it to read about what is happening in cable tv world.
More Than One in Five Households Has Dumped the Cable Goliath

If the trend that is outlined in that article continues as the younger members of our society mature with paying for cable it will be the companies that got ahead of the trend who will be positioned well in the future.

BUT ..... there is, according to Buckaineer .... there is no way an entity like ESPN would consider doing something different like make money from online streaming.

The truth is that other variations could mean lots of things. It could be mean something we haven't even considered. It's just that Buckaineer wants us to believe his interpretation, and only his interpretation, is the correct one. And that is because Buckaineer is full of himself.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

I would pay to watch the Mountaineers online if that were the only option. Wouldn't you?

I would subscribe to ESPN and/or FoxSports online if it were the only way to watch the Mountaineers. Wouldn't you?

You could subscribe to Hulu, Netflix, ESPN, and FoxSports online and probably pay a lot less than you now pay for cable if you haven't already cut the cable.

People in more urban areas currently get 30-40-50+ HD TV channels for free with an antenna. That would include all the major networks. They could subscribe to Hulu, Netflix, ESPN, and FoxSports and probably have all they would ever need and pay less than they now pay for cable.

Heck .... I just dropped my landline phone and went with Ooma. Lots of you only use a cellphone and have no in house phone at all.

Media and communications are continuing to change. And the way people make money from media and communications is changing.

That is what this story is about .... it's not about whether or not Nebraska would leave the B1G. It's about whether or not it is farfetched to consider the possibility of a media entity organizing a new conference around opportunities to make money in a different way. Bottom Line: It is not farfetched at all. And that scenario fits "other variations."

 

[topdecktiger]

OK ... since ESPN is not losing money, but just not making near the amount of money they are used to making, they have no incentive whatsoever to find a way to make money. Right!

And while Gee did not actually say anything about a new conference he clearly made a distinction between conference expansion and other variations. Since other variations was distinguished from conference expansion what else could it possibly mean?

Get it? Gee drew a distinction between conference expansion AND other variations. Read his words carefully. Gee said, " (1) We saw all the possibilities of expansion and the opportunities that exist. (2) We also understand there are other variations that can take place too."

I have no freaking idea if Nebraska leaves the B1G. Nor do I care. But Gee said that "other variations" can take place and forming a new conference out of the XII and some other teams (like Nebraska) clearly is an "other variation" of the a future possibility.

I have jumped to no conclusion. But you have.

1. I didn't say ESPN had no interest in making more money. The problem is, your theory about a new conference doesn't demonstrate more money for ESPN. This new conference would just take the place of the Big 12, so there is nothing extra there for ESPN. On top of that, so far, this idea of streaming content has not proven to be a significant source of revenue.

2. You are again jumping to conclusions about the "other variations" comment. There is absolutely nothing to suggest "other variations" means forming a new conference. I can give you two possible meanings offhand:

a) The conference realigns into a division format, rather than expanding.

b) The conference negotiates with ESPN and Fox for an increase in the TV contract, in return for not exercising the pro rata clause. For example, instead of expanding and forcing ESPN & Fox to pay an extra $1 billion, they could negotiate to stay at 10, and get a bump of, say, $200 million. This is something that has actually been discussed in previous articles.

 

[atlanta_eer]

Maybe "other variations" = WVU to SEC.

 

[MountaineerGuy]

Who would pay people to go on the internet and try to torpedo the Big 12? The Big 12 does a good enough job of that on their own.

The problem has always been TEXAS. The Big 12 started dying the second they ran off MU, AM, NU, and CU.

Adding Cincy and UConn isn't going to save this conference. By the way, I saw yesterday that Gee supports adding Tulane. TULANE

Keep in mind that was Mitch saying that is who Gee supports. May or may not be true. Could be Mitch speculating since Tulane was one of the finalists when TCU and WVU got into the conference..................

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

1. I didn't say ESPN had no interest in making more money. The problem is, your theory about a new conference doesn't demonstrate more money for ESPN. This new conference would just take the place of the Big 12, so there is nothing extra there for ESPN. On top of that, so far, this idea of streaming content has not proven to be a significant source of revenue.

Uhhh ..... The whole thing would just be in an exploratory phase. My lack of commentary on specifics on money does not disprove that it is a possible alternative that is, or could be, looked at.

2. You are again jumping to conclusions about the "other variations" comment. There is absolutely nothing to suggest "other variations" means forming a new conference.

I have jumped to no conclusion. I've only suggested one possibility. Suggesting a possibility is not jumping to a conclusion.

I can give you two possible meanings offhand:
a) The conference realigns into a division format, rather than expanding.

b) The conference negotiates with ESPN and Fox for an increase in the TV contract, in return for not exercising the pro rata clause. For example, instead of expanding and forcing ESPN & Fox to pay an extra $1 billion, they could negotiate to stay at 10, and get a bump of, say, $200 million. This is something that has actually been discussed in previous articles.

I have said nothing that has indicated that things will or won't turn out a certain way. But thanks for playing. Did you read these words I wrote in a previous post, "The truth is that other variations could mean lots of things."?

This is nothing but the classic "Straw Man" argument. You put words in someone's mouth and then you discredit those words. In other words, you set up a straw man and knock it down while pretending to win an argument that wasn't there in the first place.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

Hey TopDeck ..... did you read the article about the increasing number of people who are cutting their cable or not even subscribing to it in the first place?

You can pretend that is not a factor all you want .... but that won't change the fact that the media market is changing.

 

[topdecktiger]

1. I didn't say ESPN had no interest in making more money. The problem is, your theory about a new conference doesn't demonstrate more money for ESPN. This new conference would just take the place of the Big 12, so there is nothing extra there for ESPN. On top of that, so far, this idea of streaming content has not proven to be a significant source of revenue.

Uhhh ..... The whole thing would just be in an exploratory phase. My lack of commentary on specifics on money does not disprove that it is a possible alternative that is, or could be, looked at.

2. You are again jumping to conclusions about the "other variations" comment. There is absolutely nothing to suggest "other variations" means forming a new conference.

I have jumped to no conclusion. I've only suggested one possibility. Suggesting a possibility is not jumping to a conclusion.

I can give you two possible meanings offhand:
a) The conference realigns into a division format, rather than expanding.

b) The conference negotiates with ESPN and Fox for an increase in the TV contract, in return for not exercising the pro rata clause. For example, instead of expanding and forcing ESPN & Fox to pay an extra $1 billion, they could negotiate to stay at 10, and get a bump of, say, $200 million. This is something that has actually been discussed in previous articles.

I have said nothing that has indicated that things will or won't turn out a certain way. But thanks for playing. Did you read these words I wrote in a previous post, "The truth is that other variations could mean lots of things."?

This is nothing but the classic "Straw Man" argument. You put words in someone's mouth and then you discredit those words. In other words, you set up a straw man and knock it down while pretending to win an argument that wasn't there in the first place.

Yeah I did read what you wrote. You claim you are only throwing out possibilities. But, you keep posting links to rumors of this new conference to try to back up your "possibility."

And talk about putting words in someone's mouth, that is exactly what you are doing with Gee's comments. Gee didn't say anything to remotely indicate a new conference is on the horizon. Let's face it. This mythical new conference idea is completely a rumor, and has nothing substantial to back it up. If you are claiming you are just discussing "possibilities," then you have to admit this.

Hey TopDeck ..... did you read the article about the increasing number of people who are cutting their cable or not even subscribing to it in the first place?

You can pretend that is not a factor all you want .... but that won't change the fact that the media market is changing.

Yeah, I did. I'm well aware of how many people are cutting their cable. The problem is, there aren't enough people streaming content to generate the same type of revenue currently being paid in these TV contracts. There is simply not enough revenue to be generated by streaming for ESPN to support the type of new conference you are envisioning. That's because content offered on a general platform (such as basic cable) is available to a general audience, not just a niche audience. Plus, content on cable is packaged with other content, so for example, and 80-year-old grandmother who never watches ESPN is still paying for it.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

TopDeck .... you have serious comprehension problems.

While you scold me for jumping to conclusions while in fact I have jumped to no conclusion you insist that your conclusions are the last word.

You too ... are full of yourself.

 

[topdecktiger]

TopDeck .... you have serious comprehension problems.

While you scold me for jumping to conclusions while in fact I have jumped to no conclusion you insist that your conclusions are the last word.

You too ... are full of yourself.

No, I perfectly comprehend. I'm pointing out the flaws in your argument. I noticed you didn't respond directly to any of them.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

No, I perfectly comprehend. I'm pointing out the flaws in your argument. I noticed you didn't respond directly to any of them.

What argument? I have made no argument. I have only pointed to possibility.

Saying that it is possible that it will rain tomorrow does not mean that I am saying it will rain tomorrow.

There are no flaws in pointing out that 1) someone who has been in the radio business has reported the possible ESPN constructed conference, and 2) Gordon Gee says there other variations other than simple expansion which could happen.

You cannot refute either of those two things because they happened.

And you cannot refute that I have said that ESPN will in fact spearhead such a conference and that it will happen because I have made no assertion, none, that it will happen.

You cannot find anywhere that I said this will happen.
But you can find comments from me saying that I do not know what will happen.

You are setting up a straw man and knocking it down. You are creating, apparently for yourself, the appearance that you are winning an argument. But there is no argument there for you win.

You have serious comprehension problems.

 

[topdecktiger]

What argument? I have made no argument. I have only pointed to possibility.

Saying that it is possible that it will rain tomorrow does not mean that I am saying it will rain tomorrow.

There are no flaws in pointing out that 1) someone who has been in the radio business has reported the possible ESPN constructed conference, and 2) Gordon Gee says there other variations other than simple expansion which could happen.

You cannot refute either of those two things because they happened.

And you cannot refute that I have said that ESPN will in fact spearhead such a conference and that it will happen because I have made no assertion, none, that it will happen.

You cannot find anywhere that I said this will happen.
But you can find comments from me saying that I do not know what will happen.

You are setting up a straw man and knocking it down. You are creating, apparently for yourself, the appearance that you are winning an argument. But there is no argument there for you win.

You have serious comprehension problems.

Someone in the radio business reporting that ESPN might construct a conference is irrelevant. ESPN once reported that Clemson, Florida St, Louisville and Georgia Tech were joining the SEC. How did that "report" turn out? ESPN also reported that Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St and Texas A&M were joining the Pac 12. How did that "report" turn out. "The Dude" reported that Clemson and Florida St were joining the Big 12. How did that report turn out? So, when you tell me a "radio personality" reported ESPN is forming a new conference, it literally means nothing.

Gee also made a simple comment that "other variations" are possible. Gee's comment, in no way, shape, or form, validates this report by "radio personality." Gee's comment in no way suggests the formation of a new conference.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

And I bet you thought that Bernie was your main man too! BTW: Don't use these terms on folks, it shows the limited depth of your vocabulary. lol

You morons

 

[Pitt4Life34]

It has LONG been Buck's job -- as a paid shill -- to ferret out any fragment of pro-Big 12 expansion information -- no matter how minuscule -- and spin it into his multi-message board webs.

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Oh! Thanks for centering me!

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Beechurst is a troll. Or a paid shill.

He is either a very disturbed individual with an enormous ego upset because I can discuss goings on with intelligence while he/she cannot, and extremely upset that his/her ego is not getting the attention he/she craves

or

HE/SHE is a paid shill trying to derail any expansion talk at WVU among the fanbase by bullying, derailing and attacking anyone bringing any factual information to the situation.

Ask yourself--WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO BEECHURST AND JACOBS THAT NO ONE HEAR ANY FACTS ABOUT BIG 12 EXPANSION? WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO THEM THAT NO ONE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE CRITICAL TO WVU'S FUTURE?

There isn't a more pressing issue that is going to determine West Virginia Universities ability to remain a major player than this--and there is a meeting about it MONDAY. Why then would fans of WVU NOT talk about it? Why are Beechurst and Jacobs DETERMINED to STOP anyone from talking about it?

You're a loser that doesn't have a life! Take a deep breath and jump!

 

[Pitt4Life34]

The BIG 12 has contracts in place through 2025.

Some other things have happened that are putting a timeline on the existing conference remaining as is through 2022 at least. WVU just extended some tier 3 rights agreements through 2022 with Root Sports. You don't do that if you think you won't have a conference.

The BIG 12 also is now bidding for a CCG site through 2022.

You don't bid out and sign contracts with cities and stadiums for the next five years if the conference won't exist over the next five years.

OU is under a grant of rights through 2025 as is everyone else--not sure why some can't understand this. You don't just "get out"--that was never any more valid than the recent "don't do anything cause ACC teams are going to be available in a few years" b.s.

When Gee talks of variations he is talking of variations around expansion and realignment. 10, 12, or 14 teams? Paid off instead of expanding. Those sorts of things--not a new imaginary conference

As for the jerk Jacobs? Seems he believes 100% that things written on the internet DO have influence--since he constantly feels a need to shut others up and stop others from paying attention to people like myself who are having discussions on message boards about issues relevant to WVU and the BIG 12, rather than simply trolling and derailing threads as he/she does.

Ok local smart guy you've stated nothing new or enlightening. You basically agreed with my posts moron. You just babble about new releases of info like you know something that we don't. You're a loser. I get some entertainment value out of goofing on you. No harm really. You add value to the posters that literally know nothing. Like ditch diggers you serve a purpose.

 

[CAJUNEER]

Heard today Tulane wants to return to the SEC. TAMU will return to the B-12. Arkansas wants to return to the SWC and GT wants to return to the SEC. DUN DILL!

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Who would pay people to go on the internet and try to torpedo the Big 12? The Big 12 does a good enough job of that on their own.

The problem has always been TEXAS. The Big 12 started dying the second they ran off MU, AM, NU, and CU.

Adding Cincy and UConn isn't going to save this conference. By the way, I saw yesterday that Gee supports adding Tulane. TULANE

Finally a rational non Buckhead post. Thank man!

 

[CAJUNEER]

Finally a rational non Buckhead post. Thank man!

I'm for the addition of Tulane especially if WVU is in the same division. GEAUX MOUNTAINEERS!