Expansion not dead
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LMAO!
Hmm.........I'm worth more dead than alive, the kids would get enough money to burn through in grand style, the wife is young enough to swim in cabana boys while she mourns, and I won't have to get up nine times a night to piss. It sounds like a win-win for everyone. Do your worst!
I'm not moving anything anywhere. There isn't a rule about what can or can't be discussed in a specific thread. Lord knows none of the other threads stayed on topic.
You still haven't explained this startup cost issue. Again, why will the ACC have more startup costs than the SEC? You haven't given one single reason why. You just say you think it will be high.
But there isn't any evidence of that. Again, ESPN knew last month, when the Big 12 had its Spring meeting, that they were going to launch an ACC network, yet they still told the Big 12 the market wasn't right. That doesn't indicate the Big 12 could get a deal just because another conference did.
I'm certainly not saying the Big 12 could get a network deal. I am saying that they/we may feel that we got played and are moving forward despite what ESPN previously said.
Truthfully...the ACC isn't exactly sexy (compared to the SEC or Big10). ESPN might now be obligated ( think LHN) to give the ACC a network but I don't think they're thinking they have a winner. ...just a contractual obligation.
Truthfully...the ACC isn't exactly sexy (compared to the SEC or Big10). ESPN might now be obligated ( think LHN) to give the ACC a network but I don't think they're thinking they have a winner. ...just a contractual obligation.
Yeah, but I don't see how thinking you got played translates into convincing ESPN to start a network. If you're saying they gave the Big 12 the runaround, it sounds like they don't want to start a network. So while the Big 12 may want it, they need to convince somebody to partner with them. That's what I don't get, how to convince a partner to join up.
That's why I mentioned what Buckaineer said earlier. If all of a sudden the market is now favorable to a network (i.e. ESPN or Fox will agree to it), does that mean that it really was Texas being the hold up all along?
Maybe someday, someone will tell us the real story of this 3 ring circus. It certainly has been an interesting summer following all the spokesmen for and against the Big12. It always pays to wait and see what real news is announced in the press conferences rather than get too worked up about what fans want to happen or what they think will happen. Expansion talk sure takes the spotlight off the nasty shit at Baylor doesn't it? Maybe when that shit storm blows over, expansion and the network will be off the table again.
I'd take:
1. University of Cincinnati
2. Colorado State
Both are big schools (CSU is land grant) and have potential for TV markets even though their football attendance is pretty poor today. Plus UC has a strong basketball team and CSU is also pretty decent.
Nothing against BYU, but I don't think it is a good fit.
Lgm!
1. University of Cincinnati
2. Colorado State
Both are big schools (CSU is land grant) and have potential for TV markets even though their football attendance is pretty poor today. Plus UC has a strong basketball team and CSU is also pretty decent.
Nothing against BYU, but I don't think it is a good fit.
Lgm!
Yes they are FINALLY getting it. The ACC schools aren't joining. The BIG 12 CAN'T sit still and must work with the available candidates or its going to be lights out in a few years.
BIG 12 won't get pro rata shares
No valuable candidates
BIG 12 can't expand with G5 schools
ACC falling apart
ACC schools moving to BIG 12
ACC won't ever get a network
BIG 12 can do nothing and everything will be ok
BIG 12 doesn't need to expand
Consultants said no candidates worth expanding with
BIG 12 doesn't need a CCG
10 team CCG a good idea
Could write a book on all the moronic spewing that has gone on here and other boards for years........
No valuable candidates
BIG 12 can't expand with G5 schools
ACC falling apart
ACC schools moving to BIG 12
ACC won't ever get a network
BIG 12 can do nothing and everything will be ok
BIG 12 doesn't need to expand
Consultants said no candidates worth expanding with
BIG 12 doesn't need a CCG
10 team CCG a good idea
Could write a book on all the moronic spewing that has gone on here and other boards for years........
Finally a reasonable post forecasting marketplaces. I think Houston is on the outside looking in. BYU needs a partner. I think they get it. CSU or Boise ST or no partner and either UCONN or East Carolina.
Yep the ACC and their footprint offers ESPN virtually nothing in return for ESPN investment. Yep ACC is not sexy! Yep Orlaco is a resident moron!
Maybe its just me but I find it odd they are just getting around to voting to 'vet' the candidates.
You would think with everything that has happend the last 5-10 years they should know the candidates like the back of their hand by now. Lord knows most here do..
You would think with everything that has happend the last 5-10 years they should know the candidates like the back of their hand by now. Lord knows most here do..
They probably do but since they've been vilified for the candidates they are considering they have to play it this way.
Think they will move to 14. More revenue per school and they MUST increase the footprint significantly or be left behind.
Should be interesting.
- Will there be a new contract with new GOR. I would love to see GOR extended.
- 12 or 14 - I think 12 for now with no changes to the contract. If they go to 14, they should change extend contract with new extended GOR.
- Which 2 or 4? All talk has been ceneted on BYU as a lock. If 2 teams I see BYU and UC. If 4 teams, BYU UC CSU, and either UCONN, UCF, or Houston
- Football only
- Football, BB only
- How long until new programs make full share. Keep shares down makes more money for current 10, but could slow elevation of newly added programs.
Neither of these if only 2. Memphis is not joining regarless unless FedEx buys them a spot.
The ultimate data dump. All the relevant Big 12 Conference data on expansion candidates in one spreadsheet
Not that he is ever correct, but here is Pete Thamel Thoughts on canidates.
The leaders in the clubhouse for Big 12 expansion remain BYU, Cincinnati and Connecticut. (I can't disagree with this) The next tier includes South Florida, Central Florida, Memphis, Colorado State, Houston, Boise State and Tulane. (Really? Tulane? that would be a stretch. Boise to far east, and Boise does not add enough to expand that far west) If the league does add four schools, there’s really no standout candidate for that fourth slot. (Houston has the best program and television market of available schools, but there’s still some hesitancy within the state of Texas to allow the Cougars to use the Big 12 to potentially leap over current members) (Again can't disagree with thoughts on Houston. Do the current Texas team really want to invite another Texas team that will immediately suck away recruits ? )
The leaders in the clubhouse for Big 12 expansion remain BYU, Cincinnati and Connecticut. (I can't disagree with this) The next tier includes South Florida, Central Florida, Memphis, Colorado State, Houston, Boise State and Tulane. (Really? Tulane? that would be a stretch. Boise to far east, and Boise does not add enough to expand that far west) If the league does add four schools, there’s really no standout candidate for that fourth slot. (Houston has the best program and television market of available schools, but there’s still some hesitancy within the state of Texas to allow the Cougars to use the Big 12 to potentially leap over current members) (Again can't disagree with thoughts on Houston. Do the current Texas team really want to invite another Texas team that will immediately suck away recruits ? )
Snyder says two teams want back in.
http://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/big-12-bill-snyder-two-teams-want-back-in/
Which 2 teams? I can believe Colorado, but who else? Mizzu, T&AM (Leave the SEC for BIG12, Not going to happen), Nebraska (Leave the B1G for BIG12, not going to happen). Maybe he is thinking back to the days of the BIG8 with Arizona and Arizona State
http://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/big-12-bill-snyder-two-teams-want-back-in/
Which 2 teams? I can believe Colorado, but who else? Mizzu, T&AM (Leave the SEC for BIG12, Not going to happen), Nebraska (Leave the B1G for BIG12, not going to happen). Maybe he is thinking back to the days of the BIG8 with Arizona and Arizona State
It's been part of the problem all along. Schools left and aren't coming back and the old time BIG 12ers are stuck on "oh they want to come back" which is generally met with chuckles. No one is considering coming back.
As Boren stated numerous times "we have to be realistic about the candidates".
Which is what I been saying to you all along. It ain't over until it is over. As I stated above, it would not surprise me if Bowlsby came back with a recommendation and the league votes to stand put. One of the few things you and I can agree on, is the the BIG12 is and will remain a cluster F of a conference, with the TexA$$ doing must of the F'ing
No, you've been saying I'm and idiot, Boren's an idiot, the ACC is crumbling so the BIG 12 shouldn't do anything-just wait to pick their teams off, there's no valuable programs from the G5, questioning pro rata increases, etc. etc.
You've railed against the conference doing anything all along.
You refused to look at what was in front of the conference and clear to see--they HAD to act and do so with available candidates and the "market" has not declared anything--TEXAS did.
And yet stating privacy issues, Bowlsby refused to answer the direct question posed yesterday about P5 programs Rumors.
No, I said expansion was not dead, but at least delayed (which I was wrong), and that the BIG12 would sit at 10 and let CCG payout, 2-3 years before making a decision on expansion.
You are the one who started the No expansion Talks thread based on comments of one AD, and argued throughout that thread that the BIG12 is all but finished.
You said OU against expansion and indicates they don't have long term intentions with the conference necessarily and that The conference will go forward with the disadvantages of a guaranteed rematch and fall behind the Big Ten and perhaps the SEC financially as their networks pump up their revenues.
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OU against expansion DOES mean they don't have long term intentions. Boren and their AD changed their tune just after Texas decisions to not do anything --while UT was still pretending there would be P5 options down the road (another gross miscalculation by UT that threatens the conferences existence).
The 10 team CCG would most certainly be a disadvantage--luckily now the conference is (probably) going to do something about it.
Nothing you've said about expansion, candidates or any of it has born out and you've said all the things that i mentioned and more--and slammed me repeatedly for stating exactly the conference needed to do exactly what the conference is now doing.
Can only hope that they work on some sort of network now with or without UT.
The BIG 12 is now on the right path. Expansion and a new tv are around the corner along with extension of the grants of rights.
I think the Big 12 has saved itself until your new TV deal expires in 2024, so that's definitely good for you guys... No doubt. But once it expires, I think the league could explode.
No one was leaving until the TV contracts and GOR expired anyway. Hopefull the conference expands to 14 and extends TV contracts and GOR.
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