ESPN analyst take on Big 12 adds...

[~IRWT~]

Colorado st gives the big 12 another land grant university and a great town.

Byu brings national clout and big time money and resources.

Memphis brings a great city, fed ex money and support. Also great recruiting areas ( SEC )

UCF brings Florida and a huge school that has big resources.

Cincy brings a great city and a university dedicated to its sports.

Starting to think add them all. Big East on roids. As good if not better than ACC from top to bottom with additions.

Colorado st gives the big 12 another land grant university and a great town.

Byu brings national clout and big time money and resources.

Memphis brings a great city, fed ex money and support. Also great recruiting areas ( SEC )

UCF brings Florida and a huge school that has big resources.

Cincy brings a great city and a university dedicated to its sports.

Starting to think we need to add them all.

Eastern

1) WV
2) UCF
3) Cincy
4) Memphis
5) ISU
6) Baylor
7) TCU
8) Houston

Western

1) OU
2) OSU
3) Texas
4) K State
5) Kansas
6) TT
7) CSU
8) BYU

Bigger footprint. More teams. Expanded coverage area. Worse things than adding Cincy, Houston, Memphis, Colorado, Orlando and Mormons to your map. We stay in our time zone for half of league games. Schedule strong OOC. Every bit as good a conference if not better than ACC as far as contenders. OU, Texas keep with traditional league rivals. Champ game would offer up a legit playoff contender, etc. Also, winning a division keeps teams in contention far longer than having to win outright which is good for asses in seat.

Championship game:

Oklahoma V. Baylor
Oklahoma V. West Virginia
Texas V. TCU

Those games get you into a playoff with a legit record. \

Plus, protects WV if Texas and/or OU leaves to a greater extent because you'll still have 10-12 teams that have been playing/recruiting P5 football.

 

[sammyk]

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-big-12-flirting-houston-memphis-ucf-colorado

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Seriously....stop. I would love the ACC to add them.

1) They add nothing in football. Zip. Zero.
2) It would again water down their football product.
3) It would confirm what everyone knows...the ACC is a BBall conference in a FBall driven market.
4) It would continue the comparisons to the BE (BBall centric, ND leech,etc)
5) I wouldn't have to hear any more demands to add this nothing school to the Big 12. They are far from us and ever farther for anyone else in the B12 and they have a nonexistent recruiting base.

Why do some of you keep bringing up the ACC in the Big12 mess? BC stopped UCONN last time and would again. The final teams that will join the ACC is Texas/ND or ND/WVU if the Big12 breaks down. The ACC will never expand unless ND joins the conference as a full member.

 

[sammyk]

Looks like the Big 12 is interested in Houston hmmmm

 

[steeleer]

Why do some of you keep bringing up the ACC in the Big12 mess? BC stopped UCONN last time and would again. The final teams that will join the ACC is Texas/ND or ND/WVU if the Big12 breaks down. The ACC will never expand unless ND joins the conference as a full member.

I brought it up as a response to someone else. I don't care where UConn goes...I just don't want them watering down the B12 while WVU is there.

 

[buffalochicken21]

Wow, what's with all the crapping on Rutgers here at WVU? I'm a Rutgers fan who randomly strolled onto this board because I have nothing to do at work today and my best buddy is a WVU guy. Did Rutgers not prove even a slight bit of legitimacy to you guys in our later years in the Big East together? I've always liked the WVU fanbase.

Just for the record we've sold out most of our games vs premier Big Ten teams up until the last several games of the Kyle Flood tenure. I was at the Michigan State game (as well as every home game), there were no empty seats as mentioned above and counting Kyle Flood's last few games in your sample isn't really fair. He was a poor man's Bill Stewart, except about 80 times worse, the fan base had already completely turned on him by that point and deservedly so.

I also don't think the majority of Big Ten fanbases aren't disappointed with our addition anymore. I think we've established we will not be an Indiana or Purdue, and can potentially grow into a formidable opponent for the elites with time, luck, and the right coaching choices. We're definitely on a better path right now with Kyle Flood gone. And for the record having played Kansas last year, I can tell you the bottom of the Big 12 right now is a lot lower than the bottom of the Big 10. I've always seen Indiana football as a joke as well, but they consistently give teams like Ohio State and Michigan fits and are not an automatic win. I would think you guys feel the same in the Big 12 that any perceived weak team is usually tougher than expected and there are no easy wins in these conferences.

I personally believe we can remain a step ahead of Maryland and have a chance to fit into the middle of a stacked Big Ten East. The fan base's hope is to try to climb the ladder like Michigan State has.

I really think the Big 12 should add BYU and Houston and call it a day. Those are without a doubt the most legitimate, perceived strong football programs out there and to me that's all that matters. We have, actually, dramatically raised the profits of the Big Ten Network and there are numbers to prove that. But I do not believe that's how teams should be selected and I do think those two programs would add genuine value and competition to the Big 12. I think Cincinati is a third option. But UConn will add nothing. That I'm sure of. I'm shocked some of you guys are crapping on Rutgers football while making a case for UConn football in the Big 12. Do you guys realize how irrelevant they are in the northeast? We're light years ahead of them and always have been, I don't know what would make you think otherwise.

I'll be rooting for WVU, as always, next year. I think Holgerson will either prove himself or not this year. He's now had the ability to recruit under the Big 12 banner for 4 years and has hopefully built the depth needed to win a lot of games next year. It seems that is the biggest difference between the Big East and the Big 12/Big 10. I also think you guys have had bad quarterback luck, as we have as well.

I wish we were still playing you guys, always liked your fans and your team and Morgantown. Definitely miss the WVU fans versus the elitist nutjob fans of Ped State and Michigan. And despite us never beating you guys, I'd thought we'd proven we were near the top of Big East competition in the final few seasons there. I miss the Pat White, Steve Slaton, Ray Rice days. Hope you guys do well next year, good luck.

 

[steeleer]

I'm happy Rutgers found a good resting spot. I've always liked your fans as well. However, if the model goes the way it will, I think the SEC (with Missouri) and the B10 (Rutgers and Maryland) are going to have some buyers remorse. Unless Rutgers reaches a level they have only attained a couple of years in their entire history, they are not going to be driving the ratings needle if based on their performance on the field alone...which frankly is how it's supposed to be.

WVU has suffered lately as well. But we have a stronger sports brand, which will see us through this (with or without Dana). When the model changes, we will be able to get enough paying eyeballs to justify our share of the B12 money.

Harsh words aside...I will always be pulling for you guys and hope you can thrive there.

Wow, what's with all the crapping on Rutgers here at WVU? I'm a Rutgers fan who randomly strolled onto this board because I have nothing to do at work today and my best buddy is a WVU guy. Did Rutgers not prove even a slight bit of legitimacy to you guys in our later years in the Big East together? I've always liked the WVU fanbase.

Just for the record we've sold out most of our games vs premier Big Ten teams up until the last several games of the Kyle Flood tenure. I was at the Michigan State game (as well as every home game), there were no empty seats as mentioned above and counting Kyle Flood's last few games in your sample isn't really fair. He was a poor man's Bill Stewart, except about 80 times worse, the fan base had already completely turned on him by that point and deservedly so.

I also don't think the majority of Big Ten fanbases are disappointed with our addition anymore. I think we've established we will not be an Indiana or Purdue, and can potentially grow into a formidable opponent for the elites with time, luck, and the right coaching choices. We're definitely on a better path right now with Kyle Flood gone. And for the record having played Kansas last year, I can tell you the bottom of the Big 12 right now is a lot lower than the bottom of the Big 10. I've always seen Indiana football as a joke as well, but they consistently give teams like Ohio State and Michigan fits and are not an automatic win. I would think you guys feel the same in the Big 12 that any perceived weak team is usually tougher than expected and there are no easy wins in these conferences.

I personally believe we can remain a step ahead of Maryland and have a chance to fit into the middle of a stacked Big Ten East. The fan base's hope is to try to climb the ladder like Michigan State has.

I really think the Big 12 should add BYU and Houston and call it a day. Those are without a doubt the most legitimate, perceived strong football programs out there and to me that's all that matters. We have, actually, dramatically raised the profits of the Big Ten Network and there are numbers to prove that. But I do not believe that's how teams should be selected and I do think those two programs would add genuine value and competition to the Big 12. I think Cincinati is a third option. But UConn will add nothing. That I'm sure of. I'm shocked some of you guys are crapping on Rutgers football while making a case for UConn football in the Big 12. Do you guys realize how irrelevant they are in the northeast? We're light years ahead of them and always have been, I don't know what would make you think otherwise.

I'll be rooting for WVU, as always, next year. I think Holgerson will either prove himself or not this year. He's now had the ability to recruit under the Big 12 banner for 4 years and has hopefully built the depth needed to win a lot of games next year. It seems that is the biggest difference between the Big East and the Big 12/Big 10. I also think you guys have had bad quarterback luck, as we have as well.

I wish we were still playing you guys, always liked your fans and your team and Morgantown. Definitely miss the WVU fans versus the elitist nutjob fans of Ped State and Michigan. And despite us never beating you guys, I'd thought we'd proven we were near the top of Big East competition in the final few seasons there. I miss the Pat White, Steve Slaton, Ray Rice days. Hope you guys do well next year, good luck.

 

[sammyk]

WVU does have a great sports tradition but what hurts them is that there is only 1.9 million people in the entire state. There are not a lot of D-1 recruits either plus some of that 1.9 million are Marshall people. And lastly being so removed from the rest of the conference hurts WVU as well. Say what you want about the old Big East being second rate and all WVU had true rivalries and played teams where they recruited and were in the same time zone at least with the rest of the league. I see why fans are so adamant about getting some teams in the Big 12 that are closer to West Virginia I get it, I just do not see the Big 12 getting it

 

[Rootmaster]

The small size of the state's population does affect the health of the program...but not in the number of D1 recruits in the state. Teams recruit from everywhere. It does hurt WVU in the ability to find a P5 landing spot based on media clout. The state of WV just doesn't have the eyeballs. Yes, we do have some impact in adjacent markets such as Pittsburgh, Washington and Baltimore...but they are not captive and we share with other schools and pro teams. The Big 12 had an immediate need and WVU was available and more than willing to accept the additional travel etc. If something were to happen to the conference then WVU is in a tough spot. ACC and Big 10 have WV covered (as much as they want to) and the SEC doesn't need the state...but would jump at the chance for Va I believe. Hope the conference expands and provides more stability (strength in numbers) for members...and does so in strong media markets (to add needed eyeballs). The only other option is that WVU becomes the big nasty in the area and wins championship after championship and then becomes the sought after new blue blood.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

WVU does have a great sports tradition but what hurts them is that there is only 1.9 million people in the entire state. There are not a lot of D-1 recruits either plus some of that 1.9 million are Marshall people. And lastly being so removed from the rest of the conference hurts WVU as well. Say what you want about the old Big East being second rate and all WVU had true rivalries and played teams where they recruited and were in the same time zone at least with the rest of the league. I see why fans are so adamant about getting some teams in the Big 12 that are closer to West Virginia I get it, I just do not see the Big 12 getting it

I agree with you, Sammy. WVU does not need a so called travel partner, they would not share a plane. But they do need a conference rival the fans can drive to. According to ESPN the teams most commonly mentioned at the last meetings were Cincy and UCF. The studies being done will determine the validity of that report but that would certainly bode well for WVU fans.

Cincy is obvious for the fans but people don't realize there are a huge number of West Virginians in other states and Florida has many of them. As I have already pointed out, the last time WVU played at USF the game drew 65,000 fans. I would expect at least the same from UCF, especially with their 52,500 undergraduate students.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

The small size of the state's population does affect the health of the program...but not in the number of D1 recruits in the state. Teams recruit from everywhere. It does hurt WVU in the ability to find a P5 landing spot based on media clout. The state of WV just doesn't have the eyeballs. Yes, we do have some impact in adjacent markets such as Pittsburgh, Washington and Baltimore...but they are not captive and we share with other schools and pro teams. The Big 12 had an immediate need and WVU was available and more than willing to accept the additional travel etc. If something were to happen to the conference then WVU is in a tough spot. ACC and Big 10 have WV covered (as much as they want to) and the SEC doesn't need the state...but would jump at the chance for Va I believe. Hope the conference expands and provides more stability (strength in numbers) for members...and does so in strong media markets (to add needed eyeballs). The only other option is that WVU becomes the big nasty in the area and wins championship after championship and then becomes the sought after new blue blood.

An expansion to strong media markets would help WVU as much as a new conference rival the fans can drive to. Bringing in a school from Ohio and Florida would nearly double the potential number of eyeballs and would help leverage a renegotiation of the broadcast contract. That is the most important aspect for WVU because the Networks would absolutely require a substantial extension of the GOR as a condition of coughing up more money. That ensures stability more than anything.

I realize my recent postings make it seem as though I am a lobbyist for Cincy and UCF, but I'm really not. I would be in favor of any two teams with good facilities and strong fan support in locations with 31 million people not currently in the conference footprint.

 

[Rootmaster]

Michael...there are WVU fans everywhere agreed. However, it is a numbers game. All of the other schools could make the same claim that they have fans everywhere...and those in large states have an advantage. I live in Florida and there are tons of folks from Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Massachusetts and New York around...but seldom do I see WVU clothing or a WVU decal. In fact, it is almost a given that when I mention that my wife and I were originally from WV do I not get the...."I have a relative in the Richmond area of Virginia" answer. The Mountaineers would be much better off with a conference foe in Ohio and Florida. Would actually raise WVU awareness.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Michael...there are WVU fans everywhere agreed. However, it is a numbers game. All of the other schools could make the same claim that they have fans everywhere...and those in large states have an advantage. I live in Florida and there are tons of folks from Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Massachusetts and New York around...but seldom do I see WVU clothing or a WVU decal. In fact, it is almost a given that when I mention that my wife and I were originally from WV do I not get the...."I have a relative in the Richmond area of Virginia" answer. The Mountaineers would be much better off with a conference foe in Ohio and Florida. Would actually raise WVU awareness.

I can't believe we damn near said the same thing at the same time!

 

[Fingon]

I agree with you, Sammy. WVU does not need a so called travel partner, they would not share a plane. But they do need a conference rival the fans can drive to. According to ESPN the teams most commonly mentioned at the last meetings were Cincy and UCF. The studies being done will determine the validity of that report but that would certainly bode well for WVU fans.

Cincy is obvious for the fans but people don't realize there are a huge number of West Virginians in other states and Florida has many of them. As I have already pointed out, the last time WVU played at USF the game drew 65,000 fans. I would expect at least the same from UCF, especially with their 52,500 undergraduate students.

The 2011 WV/USF game at Raymond James Stadium drew 41,743 fans.

 

[sammyk]

I say the Big 12 should go 14 teams add BYU and Houston Cincy and one of the Florida's or go to 16 teams I think that is what will happen eventually with every conference, then add the other florida and say ECU or UCONN but if the Big 12 only adds 2 I see Houston and one of the Florida's. Now when this happens look for schools like James Madison, Eastern Kentucky, North Dakota State, amoung others to make that jump up to D-1

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

The 2011 WV/USF game at Raymond James Stadium drew 41,743 fans.

That's not great, but that would hopefully grow as a member of the Big 12 with teams like Texas and Oklahoma also coming to town. The potential is certainly there provided there is a strong administrative commitment to facilities and support.

 

[steeleer]

That's not great, but that would hopefully grow as a member of the Big 12 with teams like Texas and Oklahoma also coming to town. The potential is certainly there provided there is a strong administrative commitment to facilities and support.

USF has been so bad for so long now, it would be a much bigger project to fix there. UCF has a much better culture of winning right now.

 

[Buckaineer]

When they say travel partner, they don't mean i.e. WVU gets on a plane with cincinnati, they mean when Texas Tech or someone comes to WVU, they may be able to bus over to the other school or take a short less expensive flight.

I.e. you could bus from Morgantown to Cincinnati for an Olympic sport, instead of flying to WVU, back to Texas or Kansas and then back east again. If you had two closer schools even better for that--cuts down travel expenses. Just like if WVU can go to OU and OSU on the same week or mayb ISU and KSU--instead of going back and forth play one on a Friday and one Sunday or something similar.

 

[GoWVU]

USF has been so bad for so long now, it would be a much bigger project to fix there. UCF has a much better culture of winning right now.

South Florida was 8-5 last season, Central Florida was 0-12.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

The 2011 WV/USF game at Raymond James Stadium drew 41,743 fans.

I'll take your word for it as I can't find it. However, in 2007 they drew 67,012 against WVU. More importantly related to possible Big 12 expansion scenarios, against Cincinnati they drew 63,976 in 2009 and 57,379 in 2007. My figures come from here.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

When they say travel partner, they don't mean i.e. WVU gets on a plane with cincinnati, they mean when Texas Tech or someone comes to WVU, they may be able to bus over to the other school or take a short less expensive flight.

I.e. you could bus from Morgantown to Cincinnati for an Olympic sport, instead of flying to WVU, back to Texas or Kansas and then back east again. If you had two closer schools even better for that--cuts down travel expenses. Just like if WVU can go to OU and OSU on the same week or mayb ISU and KSU--instead of going back and forth play one on a Friday and one Sunday or something similar.

I don't get it unless you mean like TTU brings more than one team on a flight, like the football and volleyball team together with one going to WVU and the other to Cincinnati.

 

[Buckaineer]

I don't get it unless you mean like TTU brings more than one team on a flight, like the football and volleyball team together with one going to WVU and the other to Cincinnati.

Let's use WVU to explain it.

Huggins has to take men's basketball out west. He requested that they be able to have for example a Saturday game at Oklahoma State and then Big Monday at Oklahoma rather than flying out to OSU, flying back to WVU and then a day or two later flying back to Oklahoma.

Its more relevant to minor sports but its the same situation.

If say, UC were in the conference, a team out west can fly their volleyball team to Cincinnati, play a match, bus over to WVU and have another match the next day and then fly back home rather than flying to both from out west which is more expensive.

There aren't going to be many options for "travel partners" for WVU obviously.

 

[steeleer]

South Florida was 8-5 last season, Central Florida was 0-12.

4 years prior to that USF 14-34
UCF 36-16

1 good year =/= culture. Hopefully UCF fixes the ship.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

4 years prior to that USF 14-34
UCF 36-16

1 good year =/= culture. Hopefully UCF fixes the ship.

You know, I really expected and anticipated USF to be the choice from Florida, but I can see the argument both ways. If one of them is chosen it will be because the B12 broadcast partners approved it. Before it's over both of them may end up in the big 12, just like both WVU and Louisville should have been.

 

[GoWVU]

4 years prior to that USF 14-34
UCF 36-16

1 good year =/= culture. Hopefully UCF fixes the ship.

While I agree with you in the bigger picture, steel, the point I was making is that last year is at least some evidence that perhaps the gap is not nearly so large as you suggest. If it were, I doubt their respective results would've been so disparate in 2015. In other words, one program can make a lot stronger "we're on the rise" argument than the other at this moment in time.

Even in our Big East days, I thought both programs had roughly similar long-term growth potential. Right now you'd have to say Bright House Networks Stadium on campus in Orlando is one of the Knights' most important assets. We've had several past conference mates who played in sparse-looking NFL venues as the Bulls frequently must in Tampa, so we've seen the difficulty that poses.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

While I agree with you in the bigger picture, steel, the point I was making is that last year is at least some evidence that perhaps the gap is not nearly so large as you suggest. If it were, I doubt their respective results would've been so disparate in 2015. In other words, one program can make a lot stronger "we're on the rise" argument than the other at this moment in time.

Even in our Big East days, I thought both programs had roughly similar long-term growth potential. Right now you'd have to say Bright House Networks Stadium on campus in Orlando is one of the Knights' most important assets. We've had several past conference mates who played in sparse-looking NFL venues as the Bulls frequently must in Tampa, so we've seen the difficulty that poses.

Wouldn't it be cool if they took you both, plus Cincy and Memphis? Talk about instant major rivalry...wow! Plus that would bring 37.5 million more people within the B12 footprint.

 

[USBPMountaineer]

Although I am happy to be in the B12, it would be nice to have regional rivalries back. The Pitt and VT series were great. I know we have them scheduled in the future, but what do they really mean anymore? There is no real consequence to winning other than bragging rights for that game....no race to finish first in the conference. The regional rivalries were great because you work with and live in close proximity to fans from the other schools. So you are always talking shit to one another and each week you could either be happy your team went up a game or dread running into someone because your team fell. You just don't have that with the B12. Who is our rival? Who do you look at on the schedule every year and can't wait to play? It might be UT or OU every other year when we play them at home, but most fans aren't travelling to the away game. We could while in the Big East (I don't miss the conference, just the convenience of it and the few rivalries).

The B12 should not expand just to expand. It should be teams that raise not only the profile of the league, but don't diminish the quality of football. And football is all that is going to drive a move....that's where the money is and the exposure. Unless the B12 can pull from one of the other conferences, it won't happen.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

That's probably what B12 fans were saying when they heard they would have to settle for WVU or Louisville. Your exact words could have been used by Oklahoma regarding WVU.

 

[USBPMountaineer]

That's probably what B12 fans were saying when they heard they would have to settle for WVU or Louisville. Your exact words could have been used by Oklahoma regarding WVU.

and it's a completely valid argument. I would be against other western teams coming in terms of it does nothing for WVU (it may help the conference which ultimately helps WVU....I'm talking about a direct benefit (rivalry, proximity, etc). It may strengthen the B12 to the point where Texas is content, but it may not. Texas wants to keep the OU game and can regardless if they are in the B12 or not. If the B12 does not strengthen itself before the Tier 1 rights expire, they may decide to take their longdong network to the Pac12 or join in a pseudo manner the way ND has with the ACC.

The B12, if it expands, must get teams that strengthen the brand and (I hate saying this) also satisfy UT so that they are content with the conference. There are no teams currently out there that do this. If the B12 can't pull viable teams from one of the other big 4 conferences, then they should not expand....but it is a crap shoot when the rights expire....

 

[Buckaineer]

WVU is in the BIG 12. People are going to have to come to grips with that.
ACC schools are not joining the league--they have their own conference. WVUs opportunity to play some of them is as an OOC opponent.

If the BIG 12 fails to act and improve those things that need to be improved, that doesn't mean that WVU gets the Pitt or VT series back. That doesn't mean WVU joins the imaginary "eastern rivals" that some still pine for. That means WVU is in a situation where they are trying to attract a major conference to them with multiple other P5 and quality G5 programs vying for just a couple of remaining slots.

Just a few years ago WVU was in conference with schools like Cincinnati, UConn, and South Florida and you know WVU didn't always win those games--even when RR was the head coach. Now all of a sudden these schools are "scrubs" and somehow "unworthy" because they lost out getting into a major conference the last time around?

Had Oliver Luck and a few others not been on the ball and working hard behind the scenes that may easily have been WVU today.

Hopefully Gordon Gee and Lyons can exert whatever influence they have to move the comprehensive improvements along. The BIG 12 is going to be strengthened by those moves, not weakened.

Honestly, how much difference is there in a schedule like:

WVU hypothetical B12 schedule post expansion:

Tennessee (neutral site)
Mac team (home)
P5 (home)
NC State (away)

UConn (home)
Baylor (home)
TCU (away)
Iowa State (away)
Oklahoma (home)
Oklahoma State (away)
Cincinnati (away)
Kansas State (home)
BIG XII CCG?

compared to this WVU current sample schedule:

Mac/CUSA (home)
ECU (away)
Maryland (home)

Baylor (home)
Oklahoma (home)
Oklahoma State (away)
Kansas State (home)
Texas (away)
Texas Tech (away)
Kansas (home)
TCU (home)
Iowa State (away)

 

[topdecktiger]

Now all of a sudden these schools are "scrubs" and somehow "unworthy" because they lost out getting into a major conference the last time around?

That's not what people are saying. It's not that people think those schools are "unworthy." They don't think those teams are going to add significant revenue or prestige to the Big 12. That's a legitimate point, because it's not guaranteed that the schools being mentioned will bring in much value.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

That's not what people are saying. It's not that people think those schools are "unworthy." They don't think those teams are going to add significant revenue or prestige to the Big 12. That's a legitimate point, because it's not guaranteed that the schools being mentioned will bring in much value.

That's exactly what many said about both WVU and TCU.

 

[Buckaineer]

The BIG 12 has analysts looking at the situation- people who work with the NFL and other major sports entities all the time advising them. They will tell the BIG 12 if the revenues won't work or not. Why would someone else worry about it when the conference hasn't even distributed the revenues information yet? Why would someone assume the revenues won't work when the president of Oklahoma is telling you that from the numbers he has seen, BIg 12 schools are leaving millions on the table and a conference network and CCG will be very lucrative for everyone including UT and OU?

I know people like to be negative here and in other boards, but really what is the worry? The conference can't do nothing, they must keep up. The data should be persuasive to the members unsure of what to do.

 

[Orlaco]

The BIG 12 has analysts looking at the situation- people who work with the NFL and other major sports entities all the time advising them. They will tell the BIG 12 if the revenues won't work or not. Why would someone else worry about it when the conference hasn't even distributed the revenues information yet? Why would someone assume the revenues won't work when the president of Oklahoma is telling you that from the numbers he has seen, BIg 12 schools are leaving millions on the table and a conference network and CCG will be very lucrative for everyone including UT and OU?

I know people like to be negative here and in other boards, but really what is the worry? The conference can't do nothing, they must keep up. The data should be persuasive to the members unsure of what to do.

Yet another single post where you're actually debating (certainly contradicting) yourself.

 

[GoWVU]

No kidding. I can't think of anything funnier and more hypocritical than Buckaineer telling other people "Why worry about it?"

Buck's entire purpose for being here seems to be as the board's resident cheerleader for how Big 12 expansion will solve everything from conference financial woes to erectile dysfunction and the election, but like he says..."Why worry about it?"

It's truly amazing how the highly-paid analysts and decision-makers running the Big 12 and the networks haven't already figured out what a panacea expansion really is considering Buckaineer is so certain about it.

 

[topdecktiger]

That's exactly what many said about both WVU and TCU.

"Many" people didn't say that. That aside, West Virginia and TCU were in a different situation. The Big 12 had to add 2 teams, or else ESPN and Fox were going to downgrade the TV contract. West Virginia and TCU were not required to add markets or anything like that. West Virginia and TCU helped the Big 12 just by showing up. It's different for these other teams. They have to meet different requirements for the Big 12 to get any value out of expansion. It's questionable if those teams will meet that threshold. So no, you can't in any way compare West Virginia and TCU to this new batch of teams.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Of course you can. Expediency or need does not effect mandatory qualifications. WVU almost lost out to Louisville except for the intervention of Texas. If you could go back to the message boards of Oklahoma and others you would find 'many' did indeed say that. WVU was looked down upon as a leftover from a totally pilfered conference. The same way so many here look down upon other teams that were left behind. It is exactly the same except for expediency. Arrogance is arrogance regardless of the names.

Do you really believe the ACC or SEC and their fan base do not still look down on WVU? I LIVE in SEC/ACC country, I hear the attitudes. Several teams bring much to the table of the B12, monetarily and potential viewership wise significantly more than WVU did.

And tiny TCU came in with very little to offer except to be another pawn for UT. Then they became acclimated and started kicking ass. Do you really believe no team currently outside the power 5 could do the same? How presumptuous.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

Of course you can. Expediency or need does not effect mandatory qualifications. WVU almost lost out to Louisville except for the intervention of Texas. If you could go back to the message boards of Oklahoma and others you would find 'many' did indeed say that. WVU was looked down upon as a leftover from a totally pilfered conference. The same way so many here look down upon other teams that were left behind. It is exactly the same except for expediency. Arrogance is arrogance regardless of the names.

Do you really believe the ACC or SEC and their fan base do not still look down on WVU? I LIVE in SEC/ACC country, I hear the attitudes. Several teams bring much to the table of the B12, monetarily and potential viewership wise significantly more than WVU did.

And tiny TCU came in with very little to offer except to be another pawn for UT. Then they became acclimated and started kicking ass. Do you really believe no team currently outside the power 5 could do the same? How presumptuous.

Works the other way too. Both Miami and VT were something of prime time players when they went to the ACC and who has heard from them since? VT makes a run through the cupcakes and then dies in October. Miami is just the walking dead period.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Another case of be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. In this case more accurately be careful what you steal, you may not like it.

 

[Buckaineer]

Yet another single post where you're actually debating (certainly contradicting) yourself.

What exactly is your issue? Why do you find it necessary to attempt to troll every last post I make?

What are you so afraid of?