Coaches fired this season so far

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When WVU signed the extension, they most likely did so with the ability to pay it if things went south. On another board where there are more intelligent posters than this troll ridden space, people have discussed the actual contract. It’s stated that while a lump sum is addressed, it’s something that would have to be negotiated. Otherwise brown would fleece the university for what he would receive as his buyout each year through 2026. It is also affected by whether he gets another coaching job— if he does then that reduces the amount he must be given.

Trolls stating “WVU doesn’t have the money” are just stating that, they have no idea what they are talking about.

If WVU football continues to stink, then all revenue streams are likely going to decrease starting with ticket sales because no one but the most loyal core will want to see WVU getting drubbed by every team with a pulse. Parking income will decrease, concessions will decrease. Merchandise sales will decrease. Alchohol sales will decrease. Donations will decrease. Sponsorships will decrease. Maybe the most important, tv appearances will decrease and all the exposure for the entire U that goes with it. It won’t be surprising to see student population at the university decrease.

It’s not a one way street as these trolls want to portray, they are just trying to pretend WVU is a destitute institution with no athletic budget or boosters when actually WVU has been doing well in that department since they joined the BIG 12.
 

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Wow the ignorance runs rampant here:

2018 College Football Team Offense​




Now, where are your links to Browns accomplishments at WVU to justify him being retained?
For starts where did the 2018 team finish after the bowl game? Secondly you stated that Brown inherited a top 10 offense. So let me be the second person to ask you how many players from that offense were back in 2019? You have claimed the loss to Syracuse in the bowl was due to missing 4 players none of which returned in 2019. If you want to talk about ignorance read your own post they are a text book definition of it.
 

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For starts where did the 2018 team finish after the bowl game? Secondly you stated that Brown inherited a top 10 offense. So let me be the second person to ask you how many players from that offense were back in 2019? You have claimed the loss to Syracuse in the bowl was due to missing 4 players none of which returned in 2019. If you want to talk about ignorance read your own post they are a text book definition of it.

WVU ranked 20th in Total Offense, 13th in passing offense, 83rd in rushing offense and 22nd scoring in 2018.

2018 WVU team finished 20th AP and 22nd in coaches poll. Dana WVU teams finished ranked 3 times. In 2011 they were 18 and 17, 2016 17 and 18, 2018 22 and 20.

2018 - 16 seniors
2019 - 18 seniors
2020 - 19 seniors
2021 - 14 seniors
2022 - 11 seniors

In total, West Virginia has lost a total of 53 players through the portal over the last four seasons (including the current season).

In 2019, two of the nine outbound transfers came from the walk-on ranks. None of the players landed at Power Five schools. (WVU gained 5 players)

In 2020 one of the 11 outbound transfers was a walk-on. Two players ended up at Power Five schools. (WVU gained 5 players)

2021 represented the worst year for the Mountaineers in the portal. Two full-time starters left for SEC schools Auburn and Georgia. One steady contributor left for Vanderbilt. Two others left for Power Five schools Boston College and again another to Vanderbilt). Only one of the 21 outbound transfers was a walk-on.

2022 There were 13 players enter transfer portal. T.J. Banks, Isaiah Esdale, and Sam Brown represent the most notable entrants.

Mountaineers have not lost more players to the portal than every other school in the country by any measure. These rumblings should be put to rest immediately.

More than a quarter of Power Five schools (even ones with more stable coaching staffs and better on-field results) lose just as much, if not more, to the portal yearly as WVU does.

Nationwide, there are 17 programs with more entrants into the portal using the three-year average. For example, Michigan averages nearly 17 per year. Nebraska and Tennessee lead the nation by averaging 19 portal entrants per year. By comparison, West Virginia’s numbers look relatively pedestrian. WVU averaged 12.7 players lost to the portal in 2019 through 2021 transfer classes. That is not even the worst in the Big 12.

Major factor of these transfers is the depth takes a huge hit.
 

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For starts where did the 2018 team finish after the bowl game? Secondly you stated that Brown inherited a top 10 offense. So let me be the second person to ask you how many players from that offense were back in 2019? You have claimed the loss to Syracuse in the bowl was due to missing 4 players none of which returned in 2019. If you want to talk about ignorance read your own post they are a text book definition of it.
False claim was made that Brown was left a bare cupboard. I didn't ever state he inherited a top ten offense, I stated factually that many of the players who played in that top ten offense, and team that finished ranked in the final playoff poll returned and then he pushed them out.

Clowns like you keep pretending like WVU had never won a game prior to Brown arriving, but actually the previous staff had them winning at above an 8 games per year average the last four seasons and at 8 wins per season over the last five. They were ranked, they were recognized and some aspects of those teams were very highly regarded nationally. And Brown came in with those pieces in place--and tossed them out for what he wanted--which lead WVU to two five win regular seasons, an eked out asterisk bowl win over a one dimensional G5 and a 6-7 losing season finished by getting blown out by a middle of the road Minnesota.

Browns failings have nothing to do with the previous staff. He is responsible and 4 years in with 0 improvement over his own lack of success shows that clearly. Losing record in every category that matters--overall, in conference, against winning teams and against the P5. No rankings 4 years in ever.

Meanwhile Leipold at KU, in less that two seasons after taking over an actually depleted roster where wins really were rare, has KU undefeated to date and ranked.

Meanwhile people like you troll out excuse after excuse, try to deny reality and transfer the blame elsewhere.
 
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It also does no good to try to spin away the large numbers of transfers affecting WVU under Brown--starters and players expected to have lots of playing time:

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WVU must examine the flood of transfers​

With the latest defection from starting cornerback Nicktroy Fortune on Monday, the spotlight once again glares upon the football locker room. And a day after that latest potential transfer out, Bob Huggins’ basketball team’s front court was decimated as Fairmont’s Jalen Bridges and legacy Isaiah Cottrell, son of former player Brian Lewin, also went into the transfer portal.

All that comes less than three weeks after team leader Josh Chandler-Semedo, the middle linebacker and last year’s leading tackler in football, decided to enter the transfer portal just weeks after surprising his coaching staff and teammates by announcing he would return for his super senior season.


Certainly, there has been some kind of failure in Coach Neal Brown’s efforts to create a binding family atmosphere on his football team.

Since October 6, 2021, no fewer than 20 players have entered the portal.

Think about that for a moment. That’s like losing virtually an offensive and defensive unit.

Interestingly, it is split almost evenly with nine offensive players and 11 defensive players.

Hit hardest have been defensive backs (4), linebackers (6) and wide receivers (4).

There were a number of players being counted upon to be productive players in the upcoming season — cornerbacks Fortune, Daryl Porter and Jackie Matthews; linebackers Chandler-Semedo and VanDarius Cowan, wide receivers Isaiah Esdale, Sean Ryan and Winston Wright in particular.

 

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Also, the voice of Motown reported this regarding player departures, which contradicts the Brown fanboy usual retort with a sad fact:

excerpt from Dec post:

With that being said, the season (2021-22) has not ended yet and the team is already slotted to lose 12 players. Only 4 of these players were Juniors or Seniors, meaning that most of these players were recruited by Neal Brown and his staff.
 

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The NFL is supposed to be the shark tank of football, an eat-or-be-eaten cauldron of pressure, a place where job security adheres to the league’s acronym: Not For Long. And yet it’s kind, gentle and patient compared to the current cutthroat world of college football.

That’s the sport where administrators love to talk about things like “student-athlete welfare” and building character and teaching life lessons. Well, here is the current life lesson in college football: everyone and everything is expendable, at any time. We will ditch a conference via covert operations for more money, and we will fire a coach who starts to slip in a heartbeat. Watch your back.

NFL coaches fired thus far this season: zero.

College coaches fired thus far this season: five.

It’s a cold, cold business, cloaked in rhetorical puffery. Wisconsin athletic director Chris McIntosh did his part by delivering a few platitudes in the school’s release announcing Chryst’s firing: “After a heartfelt and authentic conversation with Coach Chryst about what is in the long-term best interest of our football program, I have concluded that now is the time for a change in leadership. Paul is a man of integrity who loves his players. I have great respect and admiration for Paul and the legacy of him and his family at the University of Wisconsin.”

Funny way to demonstrate that respect and admiration, firing him Oct. 2. The annual autumnal administrative panic started to pick up three years ago, and now it’s reached a new peak.

The in-season firings also make a mockery of what programs preach about commitment and togetherness during the hard winter workouts, the spring practices, the demands that players stay on campus together through the summer. Commitment and togetherness are disposable if the season starts badly. The transfer portal beckons, and the coaches are sent packing.

Then the talk bluntly shifts from thanking the fired guy to getting ahead in recruiting. The December signing period has become a massive season disruptor—yet another college sports problem sitting there in plain sight, yet going unremedied. Move signing day to the spring and end the rationalization of in-season firings due to the recruiting calendar.

It’s all just silly money in the sport at present. The media rights deals are skyrocketing, the salaries are skyrocketing, the facilities never stop being built and modernized, and now the NIL collectives are kicking into high gear. And what comes along with that is a desperation to win that is leading to an epidemic of in-season firings.

Every situation is different, and every coaching change has its own nuances. Nebraska waited too long to fire Frost, then rushed ahead with it even though it could have waited until October and saved itself an additional $7.5 million. (But why? Silly money. Burn it if you’ve got it.) It could be argued that Arizona State and Georgia Tech waited too long as well. Colorado is in terrible shape, but Dorrell was the Pac-12 Coach of the Year as recently as 2020.

Wisconsin’s move is different, more cold-blooded but not without some reasoning behind it. Interim coach Jim Leonhard, the defensive coordinator, has been a very successful assistant and had his name bandied about for other jobs. This gives him an in-season audition to see if he’s head coach material.


Kansas can without a doubt say goodbye to Lance Leipold.

Leipold is a Wisconsin native who was a graduate assistant with the Badgers 30 years ago. He also was a small-college coaching giant, winning six Division III national championships at Wisconsin-Whitewater. (Not unlike former Badgers basketball coaching legend Bo Ryan, who won big at the D-III level before getting his star turn in Madison. Remember, athletic directors love trying to find repeatable hiring formulas.)

Re: early season firings in college and pros. College is different in the sense that the longer you stick with a lame duck, the longer they create issues that will be tougher to undo by the new regime as they are not only continuously recruiting outside the program, but now inside the program as well. Additionally, the pros don’t offer the opportunity of a team from a “lesser league” to walk into your stadium and kick you in the nuts resulting in a national embarrassment that draws a quick reaction from administrators.
 

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Since Brown pushed out around 22-25 players from a team that finished ranked in the playoff poll with a top 10 offense and pts away from playing for the CCG, its not likely that Lyons thought Brown wasn't left with anything. The reality is he likely thought South Carolina wanted Brown, (to which WVU fans thought "so what?" he was LOSING at WVU) and Brown still had years remaining so there was no need for an extension at all-Brown had time (note that many other coaches like Liepold have turned things around from actually destitute situations immediately). Lyons likely also didn't want to be blamed for losing his pick Brown by screwing around with contracts like he did twice--hampering Holgorsen and his recruiting efforts and leading to his departure.
Who’s telling lies about “the top 10 offense “?

You really need to stick to your fairy tale script you spew out. It kind of make look stupid.
 

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Who’s telling lies about “the top 10 offense “?

You really need to stick to your fairy tale script you spew out. It kind of make look stupid.
Several posters pretending WVU didnt have a top 10 offense.

I dont have a fairy tale script and dont need one. Browns dismal disastrous record at WVu more than speaks for itself.
 

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False claim was made that Brown was left a bare cupboard. I didn't ever state he inherited a top ten offense, I stated factually that many of the players who played in that top ten offense, and team that finished ranked in the final playoff poll returned and then he pushed them out.
Since Brown pushed out around 22-25 players from a team that finished ranked in the playoff poll with a top 10 offense and pts away from playing for the CCG, its not ………..
So want to tell us again the ranking of that offense that Brown pushed out the door?
 

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Re: early season firings in college and pros. College is different in the sense that the longer you stick with a lame duck, the longer they create issues that will be tougher to undo by the new regime as they are not only continuously recruiting outside the program, but now inside the program as well. Additionally, the pros don’t offer the opportunity of a team from a “lesser league” to walk into your stadium and kick you in the nuts resulting in a national embarrassment that draws a quick reaction from administrators.
Apparently not anymore as everyone claims Kansas was turned around in 1 year.
 

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So want to tell us again the ranking of that offense that Brown pushed out the door?
Sure soon as you tell us what Brown has done to be retained which I’ve asked numerous times now.

What part of : WVUs offense was ranked top ten and had players left over from that offense that Brown could have utilized had he not pushed them out, do you not comprehend? I already provided a link, now you provide one for what Brown has done to remain HC at WVU.

I know once again you’ll ignore the question because you can’t answer it.
 

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Sure soon as you tell us what Brown has done to be retained which I’ve asked numerous times now.

What part of : WVUs offense was ranked top ten and had players left over from that offense that Brown could have utilized had he not pushed them out, do you not comprehend? I already provided a link, now you provide one for what Brown has done to remain HC at WVU. I know once again you’ll ignore the question because you can’t answer
You still don’t get it. How many members of the Top 10 Offense (we already know of 4) graduated, or declared for the draft?
Those players were already out of eligibility or left for the draft long before Brown even had a chance to “push” them out. It was obvious that with just 4 not playing in the bowl, you have zero bases for claiming that Brown had inherited a top 60 offense to push out, let alone top 10.
Now about Brown. I have a little more patience than most on here and I would rather save the money to allow boosters to help with the NIL and replace some position coaches than to fire Brown. Once you fire Brown, all the players will hit the portal, we will be rebuilding again next year while taking a chance on this year’s G5 coaching flavor of the month (just like we did with Brown). He has rebuilt the program and players are coming and looking at our QB room, I’m surprised that they all have stayed. Says something about the coach and the program that they want to be here and not run off after not being named the starter.
 
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You still don’t get it. How many members of the Top 10 Offense (we already know of 4) graduated, or declared for the draft?
Those players were already out of eligibility or left for the draft long before Brown even had a chance to “push” them out. It was obvious that with just 4 not playing in the bowl, you have zero bases for claiming that Brown had inherited a top 60 offense to push out, let alone top 10.
Now about Brown. I have a little more patience than most on here and I would rather save the money to allow boosters to help with the NIL and replace some position coaches than to fire Brown. Once you fire Brown, all the players will hit the portal, we will be rebuilding again next year while taking a chance on this year’s G5 coaching flavor of the month (just like we did with Brown). He has rebuilt the program and players are coming and looking at our QB room, I’m surprised that they all have stayed. Says something
So you are going to sit there and pretend players on the team on offense that played and practiced when the team was top ten in offense were not part of the team. Got it. Unbelievable the lengths some will contort themselves to to defend the indefensible.

No part of WVU is as good as it was when the last staff was at WVU. Or the staff before that or the staff before that and before that. Brown has put out one of the worst coaching efforts in WVU history to date.

It is amazing that some want to pretend he has done anything but a poor job worthy of being fired. Which as we are seeing many other teams are doing even with successful coaches. This idea of entitlement with no results must go.
 

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So you are going to sit there and pretend players on the team on offense that played and practiced when the team was top ten in offense were not part of the team. Got it. Unbelievable the lengths some will contort themselves to to defend the indefensible.
So you can’t justify your claim that everyone that made up that “Top 10 Offense “ was even there the following year, so now being the tackling dummies and bench warmers for the first stringers in practice makes them a top 10 returning unit for Brown to push away.

Board question: can people be banned for being stupid? Bucket needs to go.
 

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So you can’t justify your claim that everyone that made up that “Top 10 Offense “ was even there the following year, so now being the tackling dummies and bench warmers for the first stringers in practice makes them a top 10 returning unit for Brown to push away.

Board question: can people be banned for being stupid? Bucket needs to go.
I never made any such claim. You lying about what I’ve stated repeatedly doesn’t change the facts.

WVU had a top ten offense the year before Brown came in. Many of those players who played and were a part of that team came back. Brown pushed them out and then you fanboys came up with the fake “ bare cupboard“. B.s. to excuse away Browns frequent losing and poor coaching performance.

Notice you still haven’t provided a link or any evidence whatsoever as to why Brown should be retained by WVU.