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Brown fanboys keep screaming about how it can't be done, Nebraska did it a week or two back.

Most recently Colorado and now Wisconsin just fired their HC mid season due to lack of performance.

Of course they probably didn't have the university kneecapping buyout Shane Lyons dumped on WVU...

University of Colorado athletic director fires Head Coach Karl Dorrell: 'the results on the field just did not measure up to our expectations'​


excerpt: The University of Colorado has pulled the plug on head football coach Karl Dorrell 5 games into his 3rd season in Boulder. Athletic Director Rick George announced the firing on Sunday afternoon after CU lost its 5th straight game on Saturday at Arizona.....Dorrell's tenure began on a high note as the Buffs won his first 4 games in the COVID-shortened season of 2020. He guided CU to only its 2nd bowl game in the last 14 seasons...After a 4-8 season last year, 21 players left the program via the transfer portal. 6 of those players were starters. While Dorrell maintained the 2022 Buffs would be just fine despite the mass exodus, nothing could be further from the truth.

And now Wisconsin:

Paul Chryst was 67-26 at Wisconsin and has been fired.

 
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According to a post on another board:
"Paul Chryst was 41 games over .500 and got canned while Shane Lyons gave Neal Brown a ridiculous extension after going 11-11."

Note: Brown is UNDER .500 at WVU at .475 5 games in.
 
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This post on another board sums it up:

"Chryst's Big Ten record was 43-18 over seven seasons. Some schools have a different set of expectations."

Note: Brown has a LOSING record in the BIG 12 4 years in. 11-18 to date.
 
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Wisconsin is stupid and that record is better than your boyfriends Holgs. For what seems like the 1,000th time nobody is saying not to fire Brown open your eyes and read dumbass.
 

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Brown fanboys keep screaming about how it can't be done, Nebraska did it a week or two back.

Most recently Colorado and now Wisconsin just fired their HC mid season due to lack of performance.

Of course they probably didn't have the university kneecapping buyout Shane Lyons dumped on WVU...

University of Colorado athletic director fires Head Coach Karl Dorrell: 'the results on the field just did not measure up to our expectations'​



Paul Chryst was 67-26 at Wisconsin and has been fired.

I don't know what the majority over here are saying but on The Blue Lot it's at least 90% in favor of moving on.
 

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No, Wisconsin isn't "stupid", Wisconsin is a WINNER and doesn't just accept losing with false promises. Laughable that the clown troll who posted above that has attacked anyone saying anything about Brown is now acting as though he has been on board all along with removing Brown (because now he sees he has little backing no doubt.)
 
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I don't know what the majority over here are saying but on The Blue Lot it's at least 90% in favor of moving on.
Have to think that the overall fanbase has seen enough at this point to understand Brown is what he is and that's it. There isn't going to be any "climb."
 

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The NFL is supposed to be the shark tank of football, an eat-or-be-eaten cauldron of pressure, a place where job security adheres to the league’s acronym: Not For Long. And yet it’s kind, gentle and patient compared to the current cutthroat world of college football.

That’s the sport where administrators love to talk about things like “student-athlete welfare” and building character and teaching life lessons. Well, here is the current life lesson in college football: everyone and everything is expendable, at any time. We will ditch a conference via covert operations for more money, and we will fire a coach who starts to slip in a heartbeat. Watch your back.

NFL coaches fired thus far this season: zero.

College coaches fired thus far this season: five.

It’s a cold, cold business, cloaked in rhetorical puffery. Wisconsin athletic director Chris McIntosh did his part by delivering a few platitudes in the school’s release announcing Chryst’s firing: “After a heartfelt and authentic conversation with Coach Chryst about what is in the long-term best interest of our football program, I have concluded that now is the time for a change in leadership. Paul is a man of integrity who loves his players. I have great respect and admiration for Paul and the legacy of him and his family at the University of Wisconsin.”

Funny way to demonstrate that respect and admiration, firing him Oct. 2. The annual autumnal administrative panic started to pick up three years ago, and now it’s reached a new peak.

The in-season firings also make a mockery of what programs preach about commitment and togetherness during the hard winter workouts, the spring practices, the demands that players stay on campus together through the summer. Commitment and togetherness are disposable if the season starts badly. The transfer portal beckons, and the coaches are sent packing.

Then the talk bluntly shifts from thanking the fired guy to getting ahead in recruiting. The December signing period has become a massive season disruptor—yet another college sports problem sitting there in plain sight, yet going unremedied. Move signing day to the spring and end the rationalization of in-season firings due to the recruiting calendar.

It’s all just silly money in the sport at present. The media rights deals are skyrocketing, the salaries are skyrocketing, the facilities never stop being built and modernized, and now the NIL collectives are kicking into high gear. And what comes along with that is a desperation to win that is leading to an epidemic of in-season firings.

Every situation is different, and every coaching change has its own nuances. Nebraska waited too long to fire Frost, then rushed ahead with it even though it could have waited until October and saved itself an additional $7.5 million. (But why? Silly money. Burn it if you’ve got it.) It could be argued that Arizona State and Georgia Tech waited too long as well. Colorado is in terrible shape, but Dorrell was the Pac-12 Coach of the Year as recently as 2020.

Wisconsin’s move is different, more cold-blooded but not without some reasoning behind it. Interim coach Jim Leonhard, the defensive coordinator, has been a very successful assistant and had his name bandied about for other jobs. This gives him an in-season audition to see if he’s head coach material.


Kansas can without a doubt say goodbye to Lance Leipold.

Leipold is a Wisconsin native who was a graduate assistant with the Badgers 30 years ago. He also was a small-college coaching giant, winning six Division III national championships at Wisconsin-Whitewater. (Not unlike former Badgers basketball coaching legend Bo Ryan, who won big at the D-III level before getting his star turn in Madison. Remember, athletic directors love trying to find repeatable hiring formulas.)
 

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Here is the list so far this season, in season of HC firings in the P5:

from a poster on another board:

One third into the CFB season, five Power 5 schools have committed to paying fired head coaches a combined $60M+ in buyouts.

Paul Chryst, Wisconsin: $16.4M
Scott Frost, Nebraska: $15M
Geoff Collins, Georgia Tech: $11.37M
Karl Dorrell, Colorado: $8.7M
Herm Edwards, ASU: $9.4M

and I'll note--Georgia Tech in the ACC, Colorado and ASU in the PAC have been bringing in less conference money than WVU for YEARS and probably less overall money (i.e. ticket sales etc.) as well.
 

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Here is the list so far this season, in season of HC firings in the P5:

from a poster on another board:

One third into the CFB season, five Power 5 schools have committed to paying fired head coaches a combined $60M+ in buyouts.

Paul Chryst, Wisconsin: $16.4M
Scott Frost, Nebraska: $15M
Geoff Collins, Georgia Tech: $11.37M
Karl Dorrell, Colorado: $8.7M
Herm Edwards, ASU: $9.4M

and I'll note--Georgia Tech in the ACC, Colorado and ASU in the PAC have been bringing in less conference money than WVU for YEARS and probably less overall money (i.e. ticket sales etc.) as well.
Link to your proof of less money by Colorado, ASU, Georgia Tech. Also pretty sure those teams have deeper pockets and more of them.
 

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According to a post on another board:
"Paul Chryst was 41 games over .500 and got canned while Shane Lyons gave Neal Brown a ridiculous extension after going 11-11."

Note: Brown is UNDER .500 at WVU at .475 5 games in.
Shane Lyons saw what a mess and lack of talent that Brown had to work with starting out. THAT is why he was given time to rebuild the program.
 

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Big 12 schools get $42.6 million each in annual payout​

The Big 12 Conference is distributing a record $426 million of revenue to its 10 schools for the 2021-22 school year, a nearly 25% increase over last year and 10% higher than its peak before the pandemic.

Here are 2021 and 2022 estimates from PAC 12 writer Wilner:

*** FY21 (estimates unless otherwise noted)
SEC: $54.6 million per school (official)
Big Ten: $43.7 million
Big 12: $34.5 million (official)
ACC: $29.4 million
Pac-12: $21.5 million

*** FY22 (estimates)
Big Ten: $58.8 million per school
SEC: $58.7 million
Big 12: $40.8 million
Pac-12: $36.3 million
ACC: $34.9 million

The BIG 12 actually received $42.6 million per school when the actual numbers came in for 2022.

Here is fiscal 2020 even with the impact of COVID:

Despite leading the pack, the Big Ten was actually one of the two leagues to earn less money in FY2020 than '19. The Big 12 was the other.

Here are the per-school payouts for full-shared members (i.e., the Big Ten is still shorting Maryland and Rutgers' checks, nearly a decade after they joined): https://footballscoop.com/news/heres-how-much-each-power-5-conference-made-last-year

1. Big Ten: $54.3 million
2. SEC: $45.5 million
3. Big 12: ~$38 million
4. Pac-12: $33.6 million
5. ACC: ~$33 million

Also of note were that at least some BIG 12 tier 3 rights have not been included in these totals while ACC network and PAC nets rights were.
 
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Shane Lyons saw what a mess and lack of talent that Brown had to work with starting out. THAT is why he was given time to rebuild the program.
Since Brown pushed out around 22-25 players from a team that finished ranked in the playoff poll with a top 10 offense and pts away from playing for the CCG, its not likely that Lyons thought Brown wasn't left with anything. The reality is he likely thought South Carolina wanted Brown, (to which WVU fans thought "so what?" he was LOSING at WVU) and Brown still had years remaining so there was no need for an extension at all-Brown had time (note that many other coaches like Liepold have turned things around from actually destitute situations immediately). Lyons likely also didn't want to be blamed for losing his pick Brown by screwing around with contracts like he did twice--hampering Holgorsen and his recruiting efforts and leading to his departure.
 
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No, Wisconsin isn't "stupid", Wisconsin is a WINNER and doesn't just accept losing with false promises. Laughable that the clown troll who posted above that has attacked anyone saying anything about Brown is now acting as though he has been on board all along with removing Brown (because now he sees he has little backing no doubt.)
Chryst averaged 9.2 wins a season. Please continue with your false claims.
 
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Since Brown pushed out around 22-25 players from a team that finished ranked in the playoff poll with a top 10 offense, its not likely that Lyons thought Brown wasn't left with anything.
More false claims.
 

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Big 12 schools get $42.6 million each in annual payout​

The Big 12 Conference is distributing a record $426 million of revenue to its 10 schools for the 2021-22 school year, a nearly 25% increase over last year and 10% higher than its peak before the pandemic.
The revenues are expected to increase again over the next two years, the final years of the league's media rights deal. Wonder what the new contract will be with OU and Texas gone. Guarantee it won't be close to what it is now.

Georgia Tech $86,407,600 in annual payout.
Colorado $95,592,693 in annual payout
Arizona State $101,855,268 in annual payout

WVU $92,884,748 (less than all of them and slightly ahead of Georgia Tech.)

Once again nobody is saying not to fire Brown. This was year 4. This year was the critical year. I knew it, you knew it, everybody knew it. This season with his own recruits and top recruiting classes he has failed.

Take your narcissistic bull shit talk elsewhere. TROLL breath.
 
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The ASU, Colorado , GT firings makes some sense but Wiscy is confusing. Wiscy is not Ohio St ,Michigan , Penn St or even Michigan St. And do not have the access to recruits like Maryland, Ill or Rutgers and the guy averages 9+ wins a season. We will see what happens there.
 
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The ASU, Colorado , GT firings makes some sense but Wiscy is confusing. Wiscy is not Ohio St ,Michigan , Penn St or even Michigan St. And do not have the access to recruits like Maryland, Ill or Rutgers and the guy averages 9+ wins a season. We will see what happens there.
Nebraska tried that firing a guy that averages 9 wins a season. They haven't been the same since.
 
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So did WVU. But different circumstances. Maybe WVU should go after theWisconsin coach that was let go
Heard he was going to retire. Firing Stewart was due to his not listening or adjusting. But at same time was also dirty the way he was done. But he died shortly after that so possibly could have been worse.

All I know is Brown needs to go. Have heard the rumors and have been told the money is there. This probably could explain his demeanor on the sidelines.
 

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According to a post on another board:
"Paul Chryst was 41 games over .500 and got canned while Shane Lyons gave Neal Brown a ridiculous extension after going 11-11."

Note: Brown is UNDER .500 at WVU at .475 5 games in.

Chryst is also a life long Badger....probably a hard decision for them to make.
 
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No, Wisconsin isn't "stupid", Wisconsin is a WINNER and doesn't just accept losing with false promises. Laughable that the clown troll who posted above that has attacked anyone saying anything about Brown is now acting as though he has been on board all along with removing Brown (because now he sees he has little backing no doubt.)
Chryst averaged more wins a season then your messiah Holgorsen. If Chryst is terrible then what does that tells us about your Lord?
 

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Here is the list so far this season, in season of HC firings in the P5:

from a poster on another board:

One third into the CFB season, five Power 5 schools have committed to paying fired head coaches a combined $60M+ in buyouts.

Paul Chryst, Wisconsin: $16.4M
Scott Frost, Nebraska: $15M
Geoff Collins, Georgia Tech: $11.37M
Karl Dorrell, Colorado: $8.7M
Herm Edwards, ASU: $9.4M

and I'll note--Georgia Tech in the ACC, Colorado and ASU in the PAC have been bringing in less conference money than WVU for YEARS and probably less overall money (i.e. ticket sales etc.) as well.
The Boosters are the ones paying a good chunk of these Buyouts. Most of these schools have deeper pockets than wvu.
 

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Since Brown pushed out around 22-25 players from a team that finished ranked in the playoff poll with a top 10 offense and pts away from playing for the CCG, its not likely that Lyons thought Brown wasn't left with anything.
Again I ask: if that was a playoff worthy poll team AND a top 10 offense, then explain the dismissal performance in Holgersen’s last game at WVU? Rolling up 18 points vs a scrub ACC school. How does that happen? It wasn’t someone else coaching the players, that was Dana’s team he put together.
 

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Link to your proof of less money by Colorado, ASU, Georgia Tech. Also pretty sure those teams have deeper pockets and more of them.
Bucky doesn't' understand the role that boosters play in all of this. Most of these large buyouts come from booster raised money not television revenue.
 
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Again I ask: if that was a playoff worthy poll team AND a top 10 offense, then explain the dismissal performance in Holgersen’s last game at WVU? Rolling up 18 points vs a scrub ACC school. How does that happen? It wasn’t someone else coaching the players, that was Dana’s team he put together.
Do you have a bad memory? Just like to create fantasies about what really happened? Will Grier had beeen hurt near seasons end and then opted out of the bowl game just a short time before the game. Thus Holgorsen had about a week to get the backup Allison ready for the game. Some key offensive and defensive starters also opted out of the game.

WVU was facing a 9-3 top 20 Syracuse team in that game, yet WVU hung tight with them up until late in the fourth when SU pulled away.

With so many key personnel out and the short turnaround. not many expected WVU to pull out a win and they weren’t able to.

Has nothing to do with where WVUs offense was, where they were ranked, etc. During the season unless you are trying to spin away the success the team had that year like the great victory at Texas.

Heres what CBS said at the time:

West Virginia was one of the nation's top teams and fielded one of college football's best offenses this season, but both those declarations will be in question, in a big way, when the No. 16 Mountaineers battle No. 20 Syracuse in the Camping World Bowl in Orlando, Fla., on Friday.

The Mountaineers will be without record-setting star quarterback Will Grier, who has chosen to sit out the bowl game on his way to being one of the top quarterbacks available for the upcoming NFL draft….

Wide receiver Gary Jennings. Jr., who played the last six weeks of the season with a high ankle sprain, and offensive tackle Yodny Cajuste are also going to skip the Camping World Bowl.


So stop pretending WVU was nothing to try and make Browns failure better in your mind.
 
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The Boosters are the ones paying a good chunk of these Buyouts. Most of these schools have deeper pockets than wvu.
No, most of them don’t. It’s just an excuse Brown b@ll lickers like you throw out there to make excuses And push for continued failure for WVU.
 

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Chryst averaged more wins a season then your messiah Holgorsen. If Chryst is terrible then what does that tells us about your Lord?
Don’t you mean he averaged more wins per season than your messiah BROWN. No you don’t get to try and deflect that away With your usual trolling change the subject when you’ve lost another ignorant argument.

Brown coaches WVU- do you even realize that? Holgorsen had two contracts held up after winning and is GONE. Brown was extended after two 5 win seasons and a gifted G5 bowl win!

No amount of spin by you fools will change that.
 

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Do you have a bad memory? Just like to create fantasies about what really happened? Will Grier had beeen hurt near seasons end and then opted out of the bowl game just a short time before the game. Thus Holgorsen had about a week to get the backup Allison ready for the game. Some key offensive and defensive starters also opted out of the game.

WVU was facing a 9-3 top 20 Syracuse team in that game, yet WVU hung tight with them up until late in the fourth when SU pulled away.

With so many key personnel out and the short turnaround. not many expected WVU to pull out a win and they weren’t able to.

Has nothing to do with where WVUs offense was, where they were ranked, etc. During the season unless you are trying to spin away the success the team had that year like the great victory at Texas.

Heres what CBS said at the time:

West Virginia was one of the nation's top teams and fielded one of college football's best offenses this season, but both those declarations will be in question, in a big way, when the No. 16 Mountaineers battle No. 20 Syracuse in the Camping World Bowl in Orlando, Fla., on Friday.

The Mountaineers will be without record-setting star quarterback Will Grier, who has chosen to sit out the bowl game on his way to being one of the top quarterbacks available for the upcoming NFL draft….

Wide receiver Gary Jennings. Jr., who played the last six weeks of the season with a high ankle sprain, and offensive tackle Yodny Cajuste are also going to skip the Camping World Bowl.


So stop pretending WVU was nothing to try and make Browns failure better in your mind.
So just 3 players is all it took to deflate that top 10 Holgersen High Scoring Machine? How many more off that team graduated or went on to enter the draft? Stop with the cupboard was full bull crap.

If 3 players not playing only can generate 1 touchdown and 4 field goals out of that Mighty Offense you brag about, what does that say about the offense or the coach?
 
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So just 3 players is all it took to deflate that top 10 Holgersen High Scoring Machine? How many more off that team graduated or went on to enter the draft? Stop with the cupboard was full bull crap.

If 3 players not playing only can generate 1 touchdown and 4 field goals out of that Mighty Offense you brag about, what does that say about the offense or the coach?
Yeah when your Heisman contending QB departs suddenly and you have a week to prepare against a top 20 opponent and a Few others are no shows too, it makes things a bit difficult. WVU had FOUR offensive starters out for that game - including the two top receivers who were injured. They also had some defensive players out. But go on pretending to be a Mountaineer fan as you continue to disparage one of the better coaches WVU has had while praising one of the worst.

Your boy Brown got demolished last year by a middling Minnesota team and he didn’t lose a starting QB headed to the NFL before the game.

WVU had a very nice season otherwise in 2018, especially compared to anything Brown has produced.
 
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Brown has had "some of our best recruiting classes" they say. But we suck worse than ever. The dude is in over his head and I would love nothing more than to fire him before our next game. Sadly, we wont. Lyons is a douche for doing what he did.
 

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Brown has had "some of our best recruiting classes" they say. But we suck worse than ever. The dude is in over his head and I would love nothing more than to fire him before our next game. Sadly, we wont. Lyons is a douche for doing what he did.
Seems we can't get the two components together, either we have good coaching and terrible recruiting or good recruiting and terrible coaching. I place it on the AD at this point. If a coach can recruit as HCNB can, force him to get better coordinators so we can win games. You don't hire friends and you fire anyone who can't get it done, even if you like them. The AD needs to prod NB to do this....though too late at this point. Now you fire the AD and the HC. Can't imagine the season could get worse and with a good hire, maybe we keep some good players.
 

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I don’t see where Brown has had better recruiting classes than the previous coaches— seem to be the same ballpark or lower.

But one reason to move on sooner rather than later is because if you land a quality coach you’ll probably retain some players you want to keep as opposed to if he is let go in between seasons and closer to signing day.

If the players were truly better then results would reflect that and they do not by a long shot
 

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With A&M underachieving again this year, its a real possibility Jimbo will be available. While he is NOT my top choice or maybe even top 5, does anyone think Lyons would jump on it and hire him?
 

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The revenues are expected to increase again over the next two years, the final years of the league's media rights deal. Wonder what the new contract will be with OU and Texas gone. Guarantee it won't be close to what it is now.

Georgia Tech $86,407,600 in annual payout.
Colorado $95,592,693 in annual payout
Arizona State $101,855,268 in annual payout

WVU $92,884,748 (less than all of them and slightly ahead of Georgia Tech.)

Once again nobody is saying not to fire Brown. This was year 4. This year was the critical year. I knew it, you knew it, everybody knew it. This season with his own recruits and top recruiting classes he has failed.

Take your narcissistic bull shit talk elsewhere. TROLL breath.
You are looking not at payout, but at every revenue stream those schools had in a given year for athletics. Conference payouts for those schools was far lower than what WVU has had.
 

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No, most of them don’t. It’s just an excuse Brown b@ll lickers like you throw out there to make excuses And push for continued failure for WVU.
Yes they do fool. Its pretty clear you are unwise in the ways of he world. I doubt one dime is coming out of your pocket.
 
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Don’t you mean he averaged more wins per season than your messiah BROWN. No you don’t get to try and deflect that away With your usual trolling change the subject when you’ve lost another ignorant argument.

Brown coaches WVU- do you even realize that? Holgorsen had two contracts held up after winning and is GONE. Brown was extended after two 5 win seasons and a gifted G5 bowl win!

No amount of spin by you fools will change that.
They're you go again trying to move the goal posts because you made an ignorant statement concerning chryst. Why don't you just answer the original question.
 

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With A&M underachieving again this year, its a real possibility Jimbo will be available. While he is NOT my top choice or maybe even top 5, does anyone think Lyons would jump on it and hire him?
I don't want Lyons hiring anyone, as I think he's as much to blame for not managing these HCs and doing stupid crap like extending at year two with marginal results. We need to hold off on a new HC until he is fired too, otherwise a new AD candidate may not want to come and deal with the baggage of just hired HC. They'll want to crew their own ship.
 
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