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Clemson Insider on the ACC/B10/PAC alliance

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Apparently being led by the ACC's commissioner mainly due to their problem of far lower revenues. Not surprisingly ND is also involved.

They claim' Bowlsby is now possibly trying to work out something with the AAC.

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TCI has been told that talks of an alliance between the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 are in the very early stages, and a number of things are being discussed. We were told, “It is important to understand this is just a legislative move at the moment.” However, we have been told by multiple sources that ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips is the power broker behind the discussions.


Why is Phillips the mastermind behind the alliance?


While the Big Ten’s and Pac-12’s grant of rights expire in the next few years, the ACC’s are not up until in 2036. The Big Ten’s deal with Fox and ESPN expires in 2023, while the Pac-12’s expires in 2024.


Phillips, who said football will be the priority of the conference at the ACC Football Kickoff last month, has the challenge of trying to keep the ACC from falling behind its rival in the SEC, and even the Big Ten for that matter. Not an easy task to do right now unless he can bring something new to the bargaining table.


Notre Dame can be a critical piece of the alliance, and not necessarily as a full-time member, though that could solve a lot of problems and allow Phillips to renegotiate the conference’s current deal with ESPN.


Multiple sources have told TCI the Irish are a part of the discussions and they could be a part of the alliance, but it does not mean it will necessarily affect their membership with the ACC.


Getting Notre Dame on board will not only help the alliance but it will also give Phillips another person on his side when certain items – like the College Football Playoff and the NCAA restructuring – go to vote. If the ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 and Notre Dame join forces, it will give them a strong voting block for any major decisions.
 
Another article describing the dire circumstances as of right now:

Big 12 faces difficult realignment questions as ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 talk alliance​


It’s too early to say what the end game will be for any alliance between multiple conferences, but recent talks among the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 send a sobering message about how others currently view the Big 12 now that it is losing two flagship members.

That’s not to say there aren’t some intriguing possibilities left for the Big 12, but league commissioner Bob Bowlsby may have to work a little harder now to find them......

 
"Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby immediately went on the defensive and is now possibly trying to form some kind of correlation with the American Athletic Conference in an attempt to save the Big 12 Conference. However, that effort might prove to be futile after the news the Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten and Pac-12 are in discussions about forming an alliance."

How can they believe and say that after Bowlsby accused ESPN and AAC conspired to bury the Big12?
So I find that hard to believe Bowlsby is working with the AAC.
 
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Another article describing the dire circumstances as of right now:

Big 12 faces difficult realignment questions as ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 talk alliance​


It’s too early to say what the end game will be for any alliance between multiple conferences, but recent talks among the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 send a sobering message about how others currently view the Big 12 now that it is losing two flagship members.

That’s not to say there aren’t some intriguing possibilities left for the Big 12, but league commissioner Bob Bowlsby may have to work a little harder now to find them......

you're to obsessed with expansion.
 
rather be accussed of being "obsessed with expansion" when WVU is looking for yet another conference home than be an internet troll like you anyday.
A troll is someone who comes on to a board a starts a thread about same topic day after day. A troll is someone who jumps from message board to message board doing the same thing. A troll is someone who bashes a coach even before he has coached his 1st game. So do you know any trolls?
 
I have been watching this mess every day as well and every single day I come to the same conclusion:

1. Mr Commish really needs solid proof that in fact ESPN in the AAC or working against the B12 as he claimed and he needs to make that evidence public. Now I’m sure ESPN and AAC would renegotiate the contract if they added the big 12 remainders, as they should, but his claim was very damaging to the rest of the members chances of having any real TV money last 2025.


2. There will not be any major moves by any conference as the rest of the conferences and teams have until approximately 2023 to make a move. During this time the conferences have the ability to really think things through and decide if alliances, adding teams, etc. will work against the SEC. The remaining eight have a bird in hand financially for the next few years and there isn’t any reason to panic. I personally do not think anything will be remotely official until the end of 2022/beginning of 2023. Until then you’re gonna have a ton of working behind the scenes.
 
I have been watching this mess every day as well and every single day I come to the same conclusion:

1. Mr Commish really needs solid proof that in fact ESPN in the AAC or working against the B12 as he claimed and he needs to make that evidence public. Now I’m sure ESPN and AAC would renegotiate the contract if they added the big 12 remainders, as they should, but his claim was very damaging to the rest of the members chances of having any real TV money last 2025.


2. There will not be any major moves by any conference as the rest of the conferences and teams have until approximately 2023 to make a move. During this time the conferences have the ability to really think things through and decide if alliances, adding teams, etc. will work against the SEC. The remaining eight have a bird in hand financially for the next few years and there isn’t any reason to panic. I personally do not think anything will be remotely official until the end of 2022/beginning of 2023. Until then you’re gonna have a ton of working behind the scenes.
Bowlsby stated he had proof of collusion and you'll notice since that time virtually all talk of BIG 12 teams going elsewhere has quieted down in the national pundits reports.

Agree that 2023 is when things will pick up again, as that will be the 18 month waiting period. Will be in early 2023--certainly before that summer. Otherwise UT/OU will have to leave behind an even bigger amount in media rights through 2025 and there will be litigation for breaking the bylaws (could be some of that anyway with the Delaware corporation 99 year agreement verbage that Bowlsby stated both UT and OU insisted be there so no one else could leave THEM.)

The potential alliance with the ACC/B1G/PAC (ND) is just talks now, but the leagues schools most definitely can't go to sleep--they need to do whatever it takes to remain in the "power" group beyond 2025--cant have a situation where you never can meet another power conference on the field, but that alliance could eventually take that shape and cause that. Hope not but has to be paid attention to and proactive maneuvers may be necessary rather than sitting back.
 
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Bowlsby stated he had proof of collusion and you'll notice since that time virtually all talk of BIG 12 teams going elsewhere has quieted down in the national pundits reports.

Agree that 2023 is when things will pick up again, as that will be the 18 month waiting period. Will be in early 2023--certainly before that summer. Otherwise UT/OU will have to leave behind an even bigger amount in media rights through 2025 and there will be litigation for breaking the bylaws (could be some of that anyway with the Delaware corporation 99 year agreement verbage that Bowlsby stated both UT and OU insisted be there so no one else could leave THEM.

The potential alliance with the ACC/B1G/PAC (ND) is just talks now, but the leagues schools most definitely can't go to sleep--they need to do whatever it takes to remain in the "power" group beyond 2025--cant have a situation where you never can meet another power conference on the field, but that alliance could eventually take that shape and cause that. Hope not but has to be paid attention to and proactive maneuvers may be necessary rather than sitting back.
There is no talk about Big 12 schools going anywhere because at the moment they have no where to go. If the remaining 8 find a new home you probably won't here anything about it until the deal is almost finalized.
 
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Apparently being led by the ACC's commissioner mainly due to their problem of far lower revenues. Not surprisingly ND is also involved.

They claim' Bowlsby is now possibly trying to work out something with the AAC.

Latest on Power Move by ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12​




TCI has been told that talks of an alliance between the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 are in the very early stages, and a number of things are being discussed. We were told, “It is important to understand this is just a legislative move at the moment.” However, we have been told by multiple sources that ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips is the power broker behind the discussions.


Why is Phillips the mastermind behind the alliance?


While the Big Ten’s and Pac-12’s grant of rights expire in the next few years, the ACC’s are not up until in 2036. The Big Ten’s deal with Fox and ESPN expires in 2023, while the Pac-12’s expires in 2024.


Phillips, who said football will be the priority of the conference at the ACC Football Kickoff last month, has the challenge of trying to keep the ACC from falling behind its rival in the SEC, and even the Big Ten for that matter. Not an easy task to do right now unless he can bring something new to the bargaining table.


Notre Dame can be a critical piece of the alliance, and not necessarily as a full-time member, though that could solve a lot of problems and allow Phillips to renegotiate the conference’s current deal with ESPN.


Multiple sources have told TCI the Irish are a part of the discussions and they could be a part of the alliance, but it does not mean it will necessarily affect their membership with the ACC.


Getting Notre Dame on board will not only help the alliance but it will also give Phillips another person on his side when certain items – like the College Football Playoff and the NCAA restructuring – go to vote. If the ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 and Notre Dame join forces, it will give them a strong voting block for any major decisions.


Do you happen to know the one thing that automatically opens up new contract talks with ESPN? You haven’t discussed that yet. Thank me later.
 
LOL at Bucky being your dummy troll alter. You really are a weirdo.
Hurt feelings.
You can take a joke, Greggor
I know you need to feel important on a message board but this isn’t here for you.
Unmanly to seek attention obsessively. You better start showing your ass and tits🤣


Bucky like all trolls on this board suck. Change it up.
 
There is no talk about Big 12 schools going anywhere because at the moment they have no where to go. If the remaining 8 find a new home you probably won't here anything about it until the deal is almost finalized.
Its foolish to believe conversation and some level of evaluation has not been had.

More foolish to pretend BIG 12 schools "bring no value"--just part of the game to panic the remaining members into giving up the value they are owed.

Once UT/OU go to their graves, things are likely to pick up as the picture comes more into light.
No one is going to walk away from commitments other than OU/UT and no one will walk away from the value that has to remain with them so no other actions can take place until these things are decided.

The idea that WVU, OK State, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa State, KSU and Kansas are just going to dissappear suddenly through no fault of their own, while so many lesser programs keep a seat at the table? This will not occur even if some want it to.
 
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Its foolish to believe conversation and some level of evaluation has not been had.

More foolish to pretend BIG 12 schools "bring no value"--just part of the game to panic the remaining members into giving up the value they are owed.

Once UT/OU go to their graves, things are likely to pick up as the picture comes more into light.
No one is going to walk away from commitments other than OU/UT and no one will walk away from the value that has to remain with them so no other actions can take place until these things are decided.

The idea that WVU, OK State, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa State, KSU and Kansas are just going to dissappear suddenly through no fault of their own, while so many lesser programs keep a seat at the table? This will not occur even if some want it to.
TCU, Baylor, ISU, Texas Tech, Kansas and KSU are the lesser programs. Basketball is not being considered this time around. KU is toast.
 
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Hurt feelings.
You can take a joke, Greggor
I know you need to feel important on a message board but this isn’t here for you.
Unmanly to seek attention obsessively. You better start showing your ass and tits🤣


Bucky like all trolls on this board suck. Change it up.


Says the worst and most racist troll on the site. You are scum pal.
 
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