Brown's offensive numbers

[Op2]

At a place like WVU, you can get away with not being great every year but you at least have to have a great year now and then and Holgy banked on 2018 being great and riding that for awhile, maybe even for a contract extension. He knew 2019 wasn't going to be good but figured a great 2019 would ride him through. When 2018 turned out to be a giant disappointment then I think he figured that between that and a 2019 that was going to be disappointing, he may be on his way out anyway, so he pre-emptively got another job. IOW, he quit before they could fire him.

At least that's how I read it. That's fine. He was a bit of a wild man but he played fair and didn't bad mouth WVU on his way out the door so I respect him and wish him well.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Quote: He was a bit of a wild man but he played fair and didn't bad mouth WVU on his way out the door so I respect him and wish him well.
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Holgorsen - Soon after leaving Morgantown for Houston, former West Virginia Head Coach Dana Holgorsen made the now infamous pronouncement: “We weren't going to get high school kids at West Virginia that we were going to win the Big 12 with.”

Hmmmm...other P5 schools seem to think differently.

 

[Buckaineer]

The fanbase turned against Holgorsen before he began as coach. They railed against him every year until finally the administration fueled by boosters influenced by the monday morning know nothing qbs and coaches, decided they wouldnt give him the contract needed to continue. Someone else made a better offer and he left.

If instead the administration had increased payouts and brought in a top level D Coordinator to go with Holgorsens quality Offense-- rather than placing a " WV tie, guy in there- who did better than what the new coach brought but still couldnt stop scores when it mattered, WV might be back on that path where they could stomp a Clemson rather than one where WVU can barely score 14 points and gives up more.

Then the administrTion sought a coach primarily who fit the mold of what some fans felt was needed- NOT great coaching against top level talent week in and out, but someone who these people wanted to be their neighbor or buddy .
If people placed the same scrutiny on Brown as they did on Holgorsen hed likely be walking out the door already.

But he has already had one year and is protected by the Covid crisis in this year. Next year if things improve in the country and the sports world is more normal, there are no more excuses. WVU is not likely winning any BIG IIX championships or getting in significant bowls scoring only 14 pts in a majority of games with an average to poor defense.

WVU is slow to act and/ or admit mistakes, but if the goal is to be successful then at some point losing more games than you win will catch up with anyone whose job is to win games.

WVU was a game away from a BIG IIX CCG in 2018-- only winning 7 games in over a season since then is hardly a climb or something to trust in.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Bucky that is the lamest thing ever posted. You have posted some pretty lame shit.

 

[Volatility]

The fanbase turned against Holgorsen before he began as coach. They railed against him every year until finally the administration fueled by boosters influenced by the monday morning know nothing qbs and coaches, decided they wouldnt give him the contract needed to continue. Someone else made a better offer and he left.

Logan, your logic is void of.......logic. We did not want DH here, we found his ceiling, we know his flaws, he likes Houston, he likes Texas, he likes residing in a place where cocaine is $25 per gram, he likes his Houston's booster drinking buddies. It was a MUTUAL DECISION.

Stop crying, nobody wanted DH here anymore, NOBODY! He had 8 years and the only decent year he had was with a team he inherited. He did not build our program, establish depth, improve talent level, etc etc.

Neal Brown will outperform DH, of that I have ZERO doubt. In 8 years, Neal Browns win total will be higher, and thats with Brown inheriting a far less. Wins are ALL THAT MATTERS. DH's is a good OC, but he's not HC material.

 

[Buckaineer]

Logan, your logic is void of.......logic. We did not want DH here, we found his ceiling, we know his flaws, he likes Houston, he likes Texas, he likes residing in a place where cocaine is $25 per gram, he likes his Houston's booster drinking buddies. It was a MUTUAL DECISION.

Stop crying, nobody wanted DH here anymore, NOBODY! He had 8 years and the only decent year he had was with a team he inherited. He did not build our program, establish depth, improve talent level, etc etc.

Neal Brown will outperform DH, of that I have ZERO doubt. In 8 years, Neal Browns win total will be higher, and thats with Brown inheriting a far less. Wins are ALL THAT MATTERS. DH's is a good OC, but he's not HC material.

This post is pure ignorance in all its glory. To date Brown can't sniff Holgorsen's jock. As mentioned the "no one wanted him here" crowd is the problem in the first place. Pushed out a great offensive mind for a low mid major that surprised a couple of down P5 teams.

Brown hasn't come close to showing he can coach as well as Holgorsen, who was responsible for SEVERAL of the best seasons WVU has ever had.

 

[Volatility]

This post is pure ignorance in all its glory. To date Brown can't sniff Holgorsen's jock. As mentioned the "no one wanted him here" crowd is the problem in the first place. Pushed out a great offensive mind for a low mid major that surprised a couple of down P5 teams.

Brown hasn't come close to showing he can coach as well as Holgorsen, who was responsible for SEVERAL of the best seasons WVU has ever had.

Firstly, nobody here(except you), thinks DH would have managed to win 5 games last year. Kendall beat Allison, Doege beat Kendall, so marinate on that for a moment.

No one wanted him here anymore, because we KNEW we were a mediocre program under him. A perennial 1 in 8 year type of program. once every 8 years, we may compete for a BIG12 title. DH placed all his chips on 2018, and still couldnt get it done. Also, what was his plan POST GRIER. What type of offense was displayed vs Syracuse??

 

[Buckaineer]

Firstly, nobody here(except you), thinks DH would have managed to win 5 games last year. Kendall beat Allison, Doege beat Kendall, so marinate on that for a moment.

No one wanted him here anymore, because we KNEW we were a mediocre program under him. A perennial 1 in 8 year type of program. once every 8 years, we may compete for a BIG12 title. DH placed all his chips on 2018, and still couldnt get it done. Also, what was his plan POST GRIER. What type of offense was displayed vs Syracuse??

Probably because the lot of you don't exist in reality.

Holgorsen would have delivered at least 7 wins last year as he did every year but one. Smart people were ok with him continuing but wanted a better defense to go with his offense. Others like you just wanted someone that fit some "mold" of who should be coaching WVU football--none of which had anything to do with qualification as a P5 football coach.

Brown isn't competing for ANYTHING so far, not even minor bowls, whereas Holgorsen WON the Big East, a major bowl in historic fashion, and came very close to playing for the BIG 12 title. He had more wins than any coach ever at WVU except for Don Nehlen. And his WVU teams faced more ranked opponents than anyone. He actually accomplished quite a bit, but since he wasn't a "WV guy", from appalachia, or go to your church (as though any of you actually worship), and he replaced the previous HC, you and your thoughtless band of whiners did everything you could to move him out and now he is gone.

But you can't ridicule his record and praise this new guy when the new guy damn near gave WVU the longest losing streak in history just last year, doesn't score over 14 pts in a majority of games, had WVU -one season removed from competiting for a BIG 12 title-with the third worst rushing attack in the nation and is doing nothing on the offensive front, you can't seriously praise that as good and pretend to be a fan of WVU football.

5-6 and 14 pts won't win any BIG 12 titles or get WVU into important bowl games either--but its pretty obvious you and your ilk could care less about that.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Probably because the lot of you don't exist in reality.

Holgorsen would have delivered at least 7 wins last year as he did every year but one. Smart people were ok with him continuing but wanted a better defense to go with his offense. Others like you just wanted someone that fit some "mold" of who should be coaching WVU football--none of which had anything to do with qualification as a P5 football coach.

Brown isn't competing for ANYTHING so far, not even minor bowls, whereas Holgorsen WON the Big East, a major bowl in historic fashion, and came very close to playing for the BIG 12 title. He had more wins than any coach ever at WVU except for Don Nehlen. And his WVU teams faced more ranked opponents than anyone. He actually accomplished quite a bit, but since he wasn't a "WV guy", from appalachia, or go to your church (as though any of you actually worship), and he replaced the previous HC, you and your thoughtless band of whiners did everything you could to move him out and now he is gone.

But you can't ridicule his record and praise this new guy when the new guy damn near gave WVU the longest losing streak in history just last year, doesn't score over 14 pts in a majority of games, had WVU -one season removed from competiting for a BIG 12 title-with the third worst rushing attack in the nation and is doing nothing on the offensive front, you can't seriously praise that as good and pretend to be a fan of WVU football.

5-6 and 14 pts won't win any BIG 12 titles or get WVU into important bowl games either--but its pretty obvious you and your ilk could care less about that.

Give it a rest.

Dana left on his own.

Winning football games isnt a priority anymore for WVU. Brown is doing his job, he is using WVU football as a political tool and promoting a liberal agenda.

It is what it is, sadly....

 

[WVUALLEN]

This post is pure ignorance in all its glory. To date Brown can't sniff Holgorsen's jock. As mentioned the "no one wanted him here" crowd is the problem in the first place. Pushed out a great offensive mind for a low mid major that surprised a couple of down P5 teams.

Brown hasn't come close to showing he can coach as well as Holgorsen, who was responsible for SEVERAL of the best seasons WVU has ever had.

Did Brown start with the same offensive weapons that Dana the coke man was handed? No not even close.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Brown can hire Dana as his offensive coordinator when he gets fired from Houston in a year or two. Not sure Dana would want to come back not as much Coke in Morgantown then there is in Houston.

 

[Butler-eer]

He found a better job, hard to blame him.

Found a better job? That's laughable.

 

[Chazz Michael Michaels]

Buck, really? You were writing off NB after 1 game. You never wanted to give him a chance.
Let’s talk facts.
1. Holgs went 0-3 to finish 2017.
2. Holgs went 0-3 to Finish 2018.
3. He was 1-5 in B12 bowl games and 2-6 overall including getting blown out in his last 3 bowls.
4. He never finished higher than third in B12 and finished in bottom half of b12 5 of 7 years.
5. He could hire any D coordinator he wanted and chose Deforest. No wvu tie.
6. He went 4-8 in 2013 - and got blown out by UM 37-0. That year was epically worse than NBs first year.
7. In his first year inb12 he lost 5 straight and got blown out by cuse in bowl.
8. His double 0-3 finishes the last 2 years showed he was getting further from winning b12 than closer.
9. He had a contract here. He got a job offer from Fertitta and CHOSE to leave his contract.

Probably because the lot of you don't exist in reality.

Holgorsen would have delivered at least 7 wins last year as he did every year but one. Smart people were ok with him continuing but wanted a better defense to go with his offense. Others like you just wanted someone that fit some "mold" of who should be coaching WVU football--none of which had anything to do with qualification as a P5 football coach.

Brown isn't competing for ANYTHING so far, not even minor bowls, whereas Holgorsen WON the Big East, a major bowl in historic fashion, and came very close to playing for the BIG 12 title. He had more wins than any coach ever at WVU except for Don Nehlen. And his WVU teams faced more ranked opponents than anyone. He actually accomplished quite a bit, but since he wasn't a "WV guy", from appalachia, or go to your church (as though any of you actually worship), and he replaced the previous HC, you and your thoughtless band of whiners did everything you could to move him out and now he is gone.

But you can't ridicule his record and praise this new guy when the new guy damn near gave WVU the longest losing streak in history just last year, doesn't score over 14 pts in a majority of games, had WVU -one season removed from competiting for a BIG 12 title-with the third worst rushing attack in the nation and is doing nothing on the offensive front, you can't seriously praise that as good and pretend to be a fan of WVU football.

5-6 and 14 pts won't win any BIG 12 titles or get WVU into important bowl games either--but its pretty obvious you and your ilk could care less about that.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Found a better job? That's laughable.

Same pay, better security in a place he enjoys living. It's not a better job for everyone but probably a better job for him.

I said DH was going back to Houston as HC years ago, when Herman left.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Found a better job? That's laughable.

It's hard to argue that a 20 million guaranteed contract is not a great job. Doesn't matter what the job is when you have 4 mill a yr guaranteed for the next 5 no matter what you do on the job. Thats good pay and security that is better than all but blue blood programs from a purely financial stand point. From excellence in the profession it is not, but we all know Dana isn't driven to by professional standards.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

It's hard to argue that a 20 million guaranteed contract is not a great job. Doesn't matter what the job is when you have 4 mill a yr guaranteed for the next 5 no matter what you do on the job. Thats good pay and security that is better than all but blue blood programs from a purely financial stand point. From excellence in the profession it is not, but we all know Dana isn't driven to by professional standards.

Houston is a place you can and should win. You can win at WVU too but there is an easier path at Houston.

So lets say he puts together a couple 10 or 11 win season. He is still young, and already has experience as a power conference coach. When other positions open at major programs, he will be a frontrunner - if he wins.

Dana sets himself up well.

 

[Volatility]

Buck, really? You were writing off NB after 1 game. You never wanted to give him a chance.
Let’s talk facts.
1. Holgs went 0-3 to finish 2017.
2. Holgs went 0-3 to Finish 2018.
3. He was 1-5 in B12 bowl games and 2-6 overall including getting blown out in his last 3 bowls.
4. He never finished higher than third in B12 and finished in bottom half of b12 5 of 7 years.
5. He could hire any D coordinator he wanted and chose Deforest. No wvu tie.
6. He went 4-8 in 2013 - and got blown out by UM 37-0. That year was epically worse than NBs first year.
7. In his first year inb12 he lost 5 straight and got blown out by cuse in bowl.
8. His double 0-3 finishes the last 2 years showed he was getting further from winning b12 than closer.
9. He had a contract here. He got a job offer from Fertitta and CHOSE to leave his contract.

#FACTSAREFUN

 

[Buckaineer]

Buck, really? You were writing off NB after 1 game. You never wanted to give him a chance.
Let’s talk facts.
1. Holgs went 0-3 to finish 2017.
2. Holgs went 0-3 to Finish 2018.
3. He was 1-5 in B12 bowl games and 2-6 overall including getting blown out in his last 3 bowls.
4. He never finished higher than third in B12 and finished in bottom half of b12 5 of 7 years.
5. He could hire any D coordinator he wanted and chose Deforest. No wvu tie.
6. He went 4-8 in 2013 - and got blown out by UM 37-0. That year was epically worse than NBs first year.
7. In his first year inb12 he lost 5 straight and got blown out by cuse in bowl.
8. His double 0-3 finishes the last 2 years showed he was getting further from winning b12 than closer.
9. He had a contract here. He got a job offer from Fertitta and CHOSE to leave his contract.

Well let's take a closer look at all this:

1. Holgs went 0-3 to finish 2017.
2. Holgs went 0-3 to Finish 2018.

But Brown went 0-5 from 10/5-11/9 last year.

3. He was 1-5 in B12 bowl games and 2-6 overall including getting blown out in his last 3 bowls.

But Brown hasn't gotten WVU even close to sniffing a bowl. Holgorsen's bowl record mirrored traditional results for WVU in bowl games. Holgorsen faced bowl opponents several times with injured starting QBs, and/or players who left early for other opportunities. Such as is last year when his Heisman contending QB did not play in the bowl.

4. He never finished higher than third in B12 and finished in bottom half of b12 5 of 7 years.

But Brown has only finished at #7 in the BIG 12. Do you understand the level of play WVU faces in the BIG 12 to finish #3? Every heard of Oklahoma? OK State? Texas? Other schools like Baylor and TCU had some great years early on. You act as though finishing higher should be easy for WVU. Is it easy for a Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State to win the Big 10? You have to have a sense of what WVU faced.

5. He could hire any D coordinator he wanted and chose Deforest. No wvu tie.

Holgorsen promoted Deforest after the D coordinator at the time left abruptly too close to the season for WVU to get an established D coordinator. When that didn't work out he was essentially forced to hire someone with WVU roots. He wasn't free to hire whomever he wanted, the administration and boosters had to approve and fund it.

6. He went 4-8 in 2013 - and got blown out by UM 37-0. That year was epically worse than NBs first year.

That was a bad year no doubt. But it wasn't worse than Brown's first year in which he had WVU horrible in about every football category, one year removed from WVU contending for a place in the BIG IIX championship game. Brown lost so many games in a row it matched the most losses in a row in WVU history. Brown was blown out 38-7 to 6-6 Missouri. 38-17 by a 4-8 Texas Tech. 52-14 by Oklahoma a year after WVU lost only 59-56 under Holgorsen

7. In his first year inb12 he lost 5 straight and got blown out by cuse in bowl.

WVU in its first year in the BIG 12 was not a team built to compete in that league. The previous coach left a well documented depleted team. It took years to build back up the roster. The players and coaches had to learn new teams and coaches and also faced longer travel than ever before. Its not remotely close to the team Brown inherited, a top 10 offense, a team that was ONE game away and 3 pts from playing for the BIG 12 championship and was very familiar with BIG 12 play/teams/coaches and travel. Holgorsen had to go into a bowl against a top 15 Syracuse without his starting QB and multiple key offensive and defensive players.

8. His double 0-3 finishes the last 2 years showed he was getting further from winning b12 than closer.

No, it showed major injuries to key players, and players leaving early instead of playing bowls. He won less that 7 games once. Brown matched that in his first season at WVU, but he didn't inherit a scrub team. The similar team Holgorsen inherited won a BIG EAST championship and a major bowl game. Brown's product could barely manage 14 pts a game, while giving up much more.

9. He had a contract here. He got a job offer from Fertitta and CHOSE to leave his contract.

Revisionist history. Well documented Holgorsen wasn't offered anywhere near money or term that he desired. Second time in a row that had happened and it was documented this hurt his attempts at recruiting drastically. He was constantly harassed and slandered and libeled by the know nothing hatemongers that wanted him gone from the day it was announced he was coming to WVU.

He won the second most games for WVU in the HISTORY of the program, while facing more highly ranked teams than anyone in WVU history. None of which the know nothings ever appreciated.

 

[WVUFanForever]

My favorite bucky fact of all time is "holgy ALMOST had us playing for a Big XII title"

As if anyone gives a shit about what ALMOST happens....

Old buck is ALMOST a step up from being the dumbest troll on here...but not quite.

 

[Buckaineer]

My favorite bucky fact of all time is "holgy ALMOST had us playing for a Big XII title"

As if anyone gives a shit about what ALMOST happens....

Old buck is ALMOST a step up from being the dumbest troll on here...but not quite.

Yet Fanny boy and his cohorts keep talking about what Brown MIGHT do. COULD do.

Never a mention of WHAT HE HAS ACTUALLY DONE IN HISTORICAL FACT. ALL THE WHILE IGNORING THE FACTS THAT DON'T FIT THE AGENDA OF WHAT THE PREVIOUS COACH ACTUALLY DID.

As if anyone gives a shit about stuff that may NEVER happen or that they are making up in their iddy biddy heads.

Fanny boy is one in several of the dumbest posters here.

 

[WVUFanForever]

You ALMOST made a sensible post buck....keep trying.....you might make one before Holgy ALMOST wins a conference title,

Repeat after me.....Dana doesn't coach WVU anymore....that might help.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Well let's take a closer look at all this:

1. Holgs went 0-3 to finish 2017.
2. Holgs went 0-3 to Finish 2018.

But Brown went 0-5 from 10/5-11/9 last year.

3. He was 1-5 in B12 bowl games and 2-6 overall including getting blown out in his last 3 bowls.

But Brown hasn't gotten WVU even close to sniffing a bowl. Holgorsen's bowl record mirrored traditional results for WVU in bowl games. Holgorsen faced bowl opponents several times with injured starting QBs, and/or players who left early for other opportunities. Such as is last year when his Heisman contending QB did not play in the bowl.

4. He never finished higher than third in B12 and finished in bottom half of b12 5 of 7 years.

But Brown has only finished at #7 in the BIG 12. Do you understand the level of play WVU faces in the BIG 12 to finish #3? Every heard of Oklahoma? OK State? Texas? Other schools like Baylor and TCU had some great years early on. You act as though finishing higher should be easy for WVU. Is it easy for a Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State to win the Big 10? You have to have a sense of what WVU faced.

5. He could hire any D coordinator he wanted and chose Deforest. No wvu tie.

Holgorsen promoted Deforest after the D coordinator at the time left abruptly too close to the season for WVU to get an established D coordinator. When that didn't work out he was essentially forced to hire someone with WVU roots. He wasn't free to hire whomever he wanted, the administration and boosters had to approve and fund it.

6. He went 4-8 in 2013 - and got blown out by UM 37-0. That year was epically worse than NBs first year.

That was a bad year no doubt. But it wasn't worse than Brown's first year in which he had WVU horrible in about every football category, one year removed from WVU contending for a place in the BIG IIX championship game. Brown lost so many games in a row it matched the most losses in a row in WVU history. Brown was blown out 38-7 to 6-6 Missouri. 38-17 by a 4-8 Texas Tech. 52-14 by Oklahoma a year after WVU lost only 59-56 under Holgorsen

7. In his first year inb12 he lost 5 straight and got blown out by cuse in bowl.

WVU in its first year in the BIG 12 was not a team built to compete in that league. The previous coach left a well documented depleted team. It took years to build back up the roster. The players and coaches had to learn new teams and coaches and also faced longer travel than ever before. Its not remotely close to the team Brown inherited, a top 10 offense, a team that was ONE game away and 3 pts from playing for the BIG 12 championship and was very familiar with BIG 12 play/teams/coaches and travel. Holgorsen had to go into a bowl against a top 15 Syracuse without his starting QB and multiple key offensive and defensive players.

8. His double 0-3 finishes the last 2 years showed he was getting further from winning b12 than closer.

No, it showed major injuries to key players, and players leaving early instead of playing bowls. He won less that 7 games once. Brown matched that in his first season at WVU, but he didn't inherit a scrub team. The similar team Holgorsen inherited won a BIG EAST championship and a major bowl game. Brown's product could barely manage 14 pts a game, while giving up much more.

9. He had a contract here. He got a job offer from Fertitta and CHOSE to leave his contract.

Revisionist history. Well documented Holgorsen wasn't offered anywhere near money or term that he desired. Second time in a row that had happened and it was documented this hurt his attempts at recruiting drastically. He was constantly harassed and slandered and libeled by the know nothing hatemongers that wanted him gone from the day it was announced he was coming to WVU.

He won the second most games for WVU in the HISTORY of the program, while facing more highly ranked teams than anyone in WVU history. None of which the know nothings ever appreciated.

Do you do stand up bucky? Cause that some funny shit right there.

 

[Buckaineer]

You ALMOST made a sensible post buck....keep trying.....you might make one before Holgy ALMOST wins a conference title,

Repeat after me.....Dana doesn't coach WVU anymore....that might help.

You haven't made a sensible post. Just give it up. Brown isn't winning any conference titles without major philosophy and coaching changes, Holgorsen did win one while at WVU--but a real WVU fan would know that.

Repeat after me....Brown has ONLY produced a losing season at WVU and has no significant wins....that might help as you craft your fantasy of what he is doing at WVU.

 

[WVUALLEN]

You haven't made a sensible post. Just give it up. Brown isn't winning any conference titles without major philosophy and coaching changes, Holgorsen did win one while at WVU--but a real WVU fan would know that.

Repeat after me....Brown has ONLY produced a losing season at WVU and has no significant wins....that might help as you craft your fantasy of what he is doing at WVU.

Shared Big East title. That's like winning the little leagues. Also did it with previous staffs players. He took that same team to Big 12 and failed. Plus lost to Syracuse in a bowl. The man never beat Syracuse of all teams.

You talk of 0-5 October. Holgs lead the way with that stat.

 

[Volatility]

You haven't made a sensible post. Just give it up. Brown isn't winning any conference titles without major philosophy and coaching changes, Holgorsen did win one while at WVU--but a real WVU fan would know that.

Repeat after me....Brown has ONLY produced a losing season at WVU and has no significant wins....that might help as you craft your fantasy of what he is doing at WVU.

"On The Come Up: West Virginia — I like that the Mountaineers are recruiting some old hot spots and keeping top players in the area. They are doing a very good job under Neal Brown, better than the previous regime. "

Rivals.com - Three-Point Stance: Big 12 snapshot, must-gets, surprising players

Five-star quarterback Caleb Williams is the biggest recruiting get in the Big 12 so far in the 2021 recruiting cycle.

n.rivals.com

No matter how great a coach's schemes may be, they are only as good as the players on the team. Building from scratch, because the previous staff did not recruit well, esp in 2016 & 2017(Who are now upperclassmen), takes time. After Brown has the 2020 class & QB with a couple years developing & experienced, around the middle of their Junior year, is the time to start analyzing any offensive inefficiencies, as long as we are taking steps in the right direction on a yearly basis. Other professionals in the space, also identify the quality job Brown & Staff are doing in the recruiting world, esp in the short amount of time hes been here, and esp compared to the previous regime.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Thursday night was all you ever need to know about Dana...

His Cougars were up 26-21 on No. 14 BYU going into the fourth quarter...

...and they lost 43-26.

Why? Because Dana always shits the bed in big games...he did at WVU and now at Houston.

It's why he will always be a third or fourth tier coach.

 

[SeronimusPratt]

Holgorsen was never the problem for WVU. The defense he had to work with was a huge problem. The administration once again bowed to pressure from the Monday morning QBs and coaches who basically demanded people with ties to WV control the defense and the results were no matter how many points Holgorsen's offenses manufactured, many times the D would immediately give up scores.

We see how effective getting rid of Holgorsen has been, WVU isn't even an also ran--just a middle to lower level team. Went from on the verge of playing for a BIG 12 title to losing in a heartbeat.

Lyons should have gone out and secured a top notch D coordinator and WVU would be top notch.

Now, Lyons is going to have to get a top notch O coordinator to work with the defense at hand. How many games do any of you think WVU will win scoring 14 pts or less in regulation?

And who was responsible for the defense ultimately? Hmmmmm

 

[WVUFanForever]

And who was responsible for the defense ultimately? Hmmmmm

Oliver Luck?
Gordan Gee?
Warren Baker?

Am I close?

 

[WVUALLEN]

I guess you can blame Luck cause Holgs was his man.

 

[Volatility]

Now that we see what a quality defensive staff can put on the field at WVU, it is a little disheartening to know if we had something somewhat similar in 2012 & 2018, we could have competed on a national level. That said, if we made it to the CFP in 2018, DH is probably still here, and our upside is limited to a 1 in 8 year type of team.

Id rather have Brown & Staff with higher upside & more consistency then to have won the Big12 in 2018 and be mediocre at best until another miraculous team comes along in 6-8 years.

What happened, had to happen, in order for us to be where we are now. A program on the up.... While we are still 3-5 years away, you can see systematic improvement in the areas that impact long term growth & prosperity as a program.

While I like Doege as a person, and I greatly appreciate all the hard work & effort he puts into being the best he can be, you can tell he is a great teammate, that aside his ceiling may not be high enough to take us where we ultimately want to be. Which is why Im just hoping to see continued improvement within recruiting & talent development, until Garrett Greene or Will Crowder take the starting job. By that time, our OL issues should be resolved, overall team talent level is much higher, more experienced, with more depth.

Since this year does not count towards eligibility, technically speaking, that puts Garrett Greene & Goose in the same class. Since QBs are more apt to transfer, we probably lose whichever doesnt get the starting job. So I hope Brown is able to get another quality QB in the 2022 & 2023 classes, to cement that position for the next 6-7 years following Doege's era. That said, Doege also has 2 more years, and if he remains here, its a very real possibility Greene may take the starting job before Doege exhausts eligibility. I hope Greene starts his Soph yr, so he already has 1 yr experience to get acclimated to D1 play, which would increase his upside for his Junior & Senior years, as it usually takes 6-10 games(at least) for a QB to find his rhythm. So while his Soph yr may be a bit of a learning exp, id much rather it be early on and not when he's an upperclassmen, as I think the 2020 class has a lot of potential.

When I look for recruiting to take that next leap forward, to achieve a class in the 18-24 rank, is during the Greene or Crowder era, when we start contending for a BIG12 title. I think it could cause a snowball effect, it'll happen slowly, 2 steps forward 1 step back, until we consistently rank in the top 25. Once we have a couple of those classes together, we can take another step forward in performance on the field. Any success Brown shows early on, will only help to expedite the "Trust The Climb" process.

This is like a 10 year business plan. Nothing happens overnight, and IM sure Brown will measure the pros+cons between short term & long-term success.

 

[Butler-eer]

Solid thinking Volatility. Agree on Doege. We know what his upside is. He works the system within his capabilities and he's absolutely a leader. The other position that I'm worried about is RB. Not our starter, but at this time we have nobody that has jumped forward to be a capable backup to Leddie. If he goes down we are one dimensional. The OL and WR's seem to have some talent. Young but talented and it will take a little while for those guys to develop.

 

[WVUFanForever]

It's okay oh bucky.....I mean Houston ALMOST beat BYU....that's what really counts isn't it?

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Same pay, better security in a place he enjoys living. It's not a better job for everyone but probably a better job for him.

I said DH was going back to Houston as HC years ago, when Herman left.

Repay his gambling debt at the Golden Nugget.