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BOWLSBY--ESPN conspired against BIG 12

You are on some other shit…

More than that FOX is using the Big 12 right now
They don’t give a fucc about the conference. Never have and never will

only thing they care about is the B1G. Trying to postpone this move as long as possible so they can attack the PAC 12 even more
 
Frivolous lawsuit filed by the Big 12 on behalf of FOX

The entire time FOX was undermining this conference. So don’t know why anyone will see this any different.

Doesn’t help WVU at all….
Only helps the B1G. But Fox/BIG actually believe they will run over the PAC 12
Their stupidity
 
BIG 12 schools were making $40 million a year and escalating.

Hard to claim no one saw any value in these schools and didn't care about any of them.

The BIG 12 averaged the third highest tv ratings of any conference in the country--bet that paid quite alot of bills for MANY.
 
Creation of Texas.

80% of the conference
At least them and their rivalry with OU

Easiest conference to attack because the power was consolidated in the hands of two schools
Why B1G/FOX and SEC/ESPN wanted them so bad

Why B1G/FOX are now trying to undermine this deal on one end and on the other undermine the PAC to counter the move

Made it difficult for those two schools to find some way to keep the conference
Together
WVU came aboard after the original attack. After the conference networks were created.
 
Perhaps FOX/CBS would value existing BIG 12 schools more than as "G5" schools?....

Again will be interesting to see how all of this plays out. ESPN has a plan but we don't know how many others are on board with that plan.

But if you are someone that is set to lose 75% of your value for no reason other than that someone wants to give your value to someone else, its obvious you'll fight that, not sure why anyone would be surprised by this--especially anyone that made it happen in the first place.
 
The numbers match up.
Hard for some schools to handle reality
Why WVU shouldn’t get involved in this.

No reason to have this hatred for Texas and OU
They did them a favor. Facilities improved. Got the name out to other parts of the country
Now have to make a decision for themselves
Can’t be butthurt bitches like Baylor, TCU and OK State
 
The numbers match up.
Hard for some schools to handle reality
Why WVU shouldn’t get involved in this.

No reason to have this hatred for Texas and OU
They did them a favor. Facilities improved. Got the name out to other parts of the country
Now have to make a decision for themselves
Can’t be butthurt bitches like Baylor, TCU and OK State
They did them a "favor", LOL spoken like an OU/UT fan

Right now WVU and the rest of the BIG 12 are in limbo while their reputations are being slung through the mud and their entire futures are threatened.

OU/UT did themselves and apparently ESPN a favor. Getting relegated possibly to the G5 while your value is stolen to pay South Carolina, the Mississippi schools, Missouri etc.? Hardly a favor.

WVU did OU/UT a favor by helping them keep their "holding spot" open for a decade while they mislead everyone else about their intentions.
 

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby alleges tampering by ESPN in cease and desist​



"Bowlsby told The Athletic on Wednesday he wasn't prepared to share evidence of ESPN's alleged actions, but described it as "irrefutable."


How we got here​

Max Olson, college football senior writer: A move this dramatic is very unlike Bowlsby, and he acknowledged that in our conversation this afternoon. But he feels he has no choice. The Big 12 is already in a tough enough position of losing its flagship members and trying to hold the rest of the league together through 2025 and beyond. Finding out that a trusted partner is actually working against you in a way that could destroy the conference was something he could not stay silent about. He believes ESPN crossed the line.



"I wouldn’t be saying these things if I wasn’t absolutely certain," he said. By describing the network's actions as tortious interference, it's clear Bowlsby recognizes lawsuits come next.
 
That is why WVU should just stay out of it
None of their business

If they want to be like Baylor and OK State that is their choice
For the most part WVU is in a good position
 
That is why WVU should just stay out of it
None of their business

If they want to be like Baylor and OK State that is their choice
For the most part WVU is in a good position
None of their business?
Every remaining school is owed a billion plus $--I'd say its none of OU/UT's business what the BIG 12 does to protect themselves. They aren't part of the conference any longer for all intents and purposes.
 
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None of their business?
Every remaining school is owed a billion plus $--I'd say its none of OU/UT's business what the BIG 12 does to protect themselves. They aren't part of the conference any longer for all intents and purposes.

It is temporary…
The difference

WVU doesn’t have the attachment to any of these schools
Reason why it was so stupid to try to create one with Texas or whoever

This is their home not WVUs
Why WVU has to make a decision. Do they continue to find temporary homes or do they find something long term
 
Just spoke to a KU alum who has been a close friend for many years. Dude is legit. Talked about Self/Duke/Zion well before it was a thing.

He said WVU has been approached and has reciprocated, KU internally has been in communication as well. TTU apparently is all over it as well trying to get in the front of the line.

In other words, everybody is trying to bail. ESPN help only accelerates it.
 
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The rush is being pushed so as to alleviate fees, buyouts and honoring of conference contracts.

Otherwise, 2025 is coming pretty soon and last I checked there are no power conference homes for anyone in the BIG 12 except the BIG 12.
 
It is temporary…
The difference

WVU doesn’t have the attachment to any of these schools
Reason why it was so stupid to try to create one with Texas or whoever

This is their home not WVUs
Why WVU has to make a decision. Do they continue to find temporary homes or do they find something long term
As soon as UT/OU pay up--sure. WVU was invited to help save OU/UTs home. They belonged as much as anyone and spent years buying in to help enrich those other programs.

Now that home is in jeopardy of being gone. WVU will do what it has to do to continue the success they've built, but in the meantime still must pay the bills like everyone else.

WVU has tried its best to do things the right way while taking lots of crap through the years. Never a bad thing to do things the right way. No reason people can't honor their commitments.
 
As soon as UT/OU pay up--sure. WVU was invited to help save OU/UTs home. They belonged as much as anyone and spent years buying in to help enrich those other programs.

Now that home is in jeopardy of being gone. WVU will do what it has to do to continue the success they've built, but in the meantime still must pay the bills like everyone else.

WVU has tried its best to do things the right way while taking lots of crap through the years. Never a bad thing to do things the right way. No reason people can't honor their commitments.

Wait for what.
Is that money important enough to screw up future earnings

Waiting in the Big 12 to receive the money from those schools when they break their GOR might not be worth screwing up the future for
 
Again with the threats?

Screw up future earnings? What has been revealed so far--ESPN refused new contract negotiations (obviously knowing what they had planned for OU/UT). They have let it be known if they get OU/UT out early they'll try to reduce BIG 12 payouts for the remaining years (and give it to the SEC and OU/UT and others?) and at the same time are claiming schools that were earning $40 plus million per year are really only worth 6 or 7? LOL.

The actions of the BIG 12 are necessary to ENSURE future earnings.

As stated, last I checked BIG 12 members are still in the BIG 12. Bylaws and contracts state clearly they'll be there for several years to come.
 
WVU could end up in the MAC if they want to fucc around
That is where the power is at.

FOX doesn’t have many conferences they control. Only P5
The entire G5 is controlled by ESPN outside of the Mountain West. I believe they have a deal with CBS.

FOX has plans to consolidate their money behind the B1G
So they won’t give an 8 team Big 12 conference a big payday
 
WVU could end up in the MAC if they want to fucc around
That is where the power is at.

FOX doesn’t have many conferences they control. Only P5
The entire G5 is controlled by ESPN outside of the Mountain West. I believe they have a deal with CBS.

FOX has plans to consolidate their money behind the B1G
So they won’t give an 8 team Big 12 conference a big payday


Funny thing, there are other networks and there are new streamers with far more resources coming online.

FOX can't fill all their tv windows with just Big Ten or PAC content, and the BIG 12 isn't giving up their content for G5 wages so someone else can become wealthy. CBS might just be looking for some inventory too--you think?

The BIG 12 didn't set these things in motion but their hands have been forced and in motion it is so whine all you want, better yet go home to your own conference and stop with the bs. propaganda. You got what you wanted now pay up and go be happy in it.
 
CBS used their money on college football for European soccer
CBS is out for the most part

Only thing would be streaming services but there really isn’t a platform nor a mouthpiece to make that work
Turner sports is the only one I can think about that has the platform and mouthpieces but I doubt they would be interested
 
CBS used their money on college football for European soccer
CBS is out for the most part

Only thing would be streaming services but there really isn’t a platform nor a mouthpiece to make that work
It will be interesting to see. CBS has alot of money and I don't think theyll be putting European soccer on Saturday afternoons in the fall.

They still have conferences contracted on CBS Sports as well. A new streaming service too.

Myself won't be surprised to see Big Ten content replacing those SEC games shortly.
 
It will be interesting to see. CBS has alot of money and I don't think theyll be putting European soccer on Saturday afternoons in the fall.

They still have conferences contracted on CBS Sports as well. A new streaming service too.

Myself won't be surprised to see Big Ten content replacing those SEC games shortly.
You are clueless
FOX is about to do the same thing ESPN did
Use their network for the B1G

A company only has so much revenue they can invest. The money CBS was using for SEC football is being used for Champions League games
Exclusive rights in the Us for those are expensive
 
You are clueless
FOX is about to do the same thing ESPN did
Use their network for the B1G

A company only has so much revenue they can invest. The money CBS was using for SEC football is being used for Champions League games
Exclusive rights in the Us for those are expensive
Seems like you are clueless.

ESPN appears to have breached the BIG 12s contract with them and actions are being taken as a result.

College sports especially football is still one of the highest rating events on television and drives streaming as well--and there are still several people wanting to put it on.

Not even mighty ESPN has just one conference under contract--they need multiple. Doesn't mean they can just ignore contracts or interfere with schools and conference without repurcussions.

Will be interesting to see how it works out. Not just going to dissapear obviously.

Everything is changing--maybe monopolies too.
 
Same thing as CV
Same butthurt bitches using their platform to spread misinformation. Dan Patrick is such a B1G homer. He wears Michigan panties to bed.

B1G is losing here.
Doesn’t change anything
Just life. Someone has to be the dominant species. If it wasn’t ESPN/SEC it would be FOX/B1G
 
What do you mean--can you elaborate on this statement:

"ESPN will re-negotiate contracts with new teams. ThEY want this done ASAP."

The irony that one anonymous handle is asking another anonymous handle on a free site about things where both have no idea what’s going on is priceless. I love this place. Super entertaining. 😂
 
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Ummm and you know this how 😂

That is what the lawsuit is about…
Simple business

AAC is a money maker right now. Not a huge TV contract but decent ratings
So put these schools in there to get higher ratings but not have to pay much
 
Like I said it might be a decent long term place for WVU.
We will see what happens.

Playing Cincinnati and UCF in football every year isn’t the end of the world.
These schools have won some NYD6 bowl games and years they haven’t they have been competitive
Houston and Memphis are great basketball schools

What is important it is something completely under the ESPN tent and something ESPN wants to keep going

You and Louisville could be joining in the future. There is that
 
The AAC is a G5 conference- BIG 12 is P5. WVU is currently in the BIG 12 and intends to remain a power conference school as do Im sure the rest of the BIG 12.

Obviously ESPN signed contracts with the BIG 12 long before helping to move UT and OU and offering huge $$ to the SEC while doing that. Also before offering the AAC more money to try to convince power schools to devalue themselves to join that league- whose rights of course ESPN owns at a low rate.

But anyone can see there are posters here as “ influencers” trying to stear people towards an agenda. Question is WHOSE agenda? It certainly isnt WVUs or the BIG 12s.
 
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More from the comissioner:


Big 12 believes American is attempting to grab eight remaining members with Texas, Oklahoma leaving for SEC​


Excerpt
In fact, the Big 12's bylaws are written in such a way that -- if there is even one member remaining -- a program can individually sue any of the entities in this discussion -- the SEC, the AAC or even ESPN.

"Oklahoma and Texas are going to do everything they can to get out of the grant of rights and get out of the bylaw stipulations. It's going to be a long process," Bowlsby told CBS Sports….

….As long the Big 12 remains viable, ESPN and Fox cannot reduce the conference's rights fees under the current contract.
 
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Big 12's Bob Bowlsby: OU, Texas, ESPN Have Been 'As Deceptive as They Possibly Could'​


Excerpt
“I am aware that ESPN has also been actively engaged in discussions with at least one other conference regarding that conference inducing additional members of the Big 12 Conference to leave the Big 12 Conference.”


He told Dellenger that in various league meetings in recent months, both the Sooners and the Longhorns "acted the part of happy members. Had we been aware of some grievances, we would have attempted to address it. I’m sure they’ll try to get out of the exit fee and the Grant of Rights."

Bowlsby told the Associated Press that he has “absolute certainty they (ESPN) have been involved in manipulating other conference to go after our members,” and told SI that ESPN "had their hands all over the Texas and Oklahoma move to the SEC. They were was deceptive as you can possibly be. There are right and wrong ways to (do) these things. They sought to deceive us from the very beginning."
 

Big 12's Bob Bowlsby: OU, Texas, ESPN Have Been 'As Deceptive as They Possibly Could'​


Excerpt
“I am aware that ESPN has also been actively engaged in discussions with at least one other conference regarding that conference inducing additional members of the Big 12 Conference to leave the Big 12 Conference.”


He told Dellenger that in various league meetings in recent months, both the Sooners and the Longhorns "acted the part of happy members. Had we been aware of some grievances, we would have attempted to address it. I’m sure they’ll try to get out of the exit fee and the Grant of Rights."

Bowlsby told the Associated Press that he has “absolute certainty they (ESPN) have been involved in manipulating other conference to go after our members,” and told SI that ESPN "had their hands all over the Texas and Oklahoma move to the SEC. They were was deceptive as you can possibly be. There are right and wrong ways to (do) these things. They sought to deceive us from the very beginning."

We told you this from the very beginning.
 
Absolutely brain dead.

When talks of bringing in PAC 12 schools died down there wasn’t any other choice.

USC values their partnership with Stanford. Will never leave Stanford. Not just Stanford but the original PAC 5. The Cal 4 plus Washington.

What did Bowsley think was gonna happen when both FOX and ESPN decided not to negotiate.
Did he really believe Texas and OU were going to stay

May 25th
https://www.heartlandcollegesports....early-tv-negotiations-with-big-12-conference/

Back to 2019.
2 years ago


He is FOS. He knew what was gonna happen. He is trying to save face and more than that
Baylor and TCU knows as R2 schools they for sure won’t be in a P5 conference

This idea that it was just ESPN is bullshit
FOX was involved as well. Difference is FOX didn’t get what they wanted and now are hiding behind mouthpieces pushing propaganda in attempt to slow down ESPNs power move
 
Who told me what from what beginning?

That it was the networks driving this with the goal to simply dissolve the conference.

Then you start posting OMG LOOK ESPN WAS BEHIND THIS!!!!

Well, duh...we told you that.

You are a little picture guy who cant get your head around it....
 
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Absolutely brain dead.

When talks of bringing in PAC 12 schools died down there wasn’t any other choice.

USC values their partnership with Stanford. Will never leave Stanford. Not just Stanford but the original PAC 5. The Cal 4 plus Washington.

What did Bowsley think was gonna happen when both FOX and ESPN decided not to negotiate.
Did he really believe Texas and OU were going to stay

May 25th
https://www.heartlandcollegesports....early-tv-negotiations-with-big-12-conference/

Back to 2019.
2 years ago


He is FOS. He knew what was gonna happen. He is trying to save face and more than that
Baylor and TCU knows as R2 schools they for sure won’t be in a P5 conference

This idea that it was just ESPN is bullshit
FOX was involved as well. Difference is FOX didn’t get what they wanted and now are hiding behind mouthpieces pushing propaganda in attempt to slow down ESPNs power move
There's no evidence that the BIG 12 wouldn't have been able to lure some PAC teams or others into the BIG 12.

OU/UT probably blocked any such moves much as UT blocked expansion in 2012-13 and around 2016.

In the article reporting the lack of early renegotiation:https://www.lubbockonline.com/story...iations-texas-tech-president-says/7434386002/

ESPN and FOX, who have 13-year agreements with the Big 12 that run through 2025, aren't ready to talk about a new deal when the ones in place still have four years to go.

That was a message Big 12 presidents, chancellors and athletics directors heard on a Zoom video conference Monday with a media consulting group it enlisted months ago, Tech President Lawrence Schovanec said.

Schovanec, Texas President Jay Hartzell and West Virginia President E. Gordon Gee formed a three-man committee in the fall of 2020 to study "whether we should consider acting preemptively with regard to our TV contract," Schovanec said, "or just waiting and going into free agency when that contract is up in 2025."

With assistance from the Big 12, they enlisted the consulting firm Bevilacqua Helfant Ventures (BHV).

"The general result is that, at this time, with so much uncertainty in the media marketplace as well as the landscape for collegiate athletics," Schovanec said, "our partners, ESPN and FOX, are not interested in acting preemptively with regard to our contract. They recognize the importance of our partnership, but there's just too much uncertainty, and they do have four years to go.

"So we'll wait until we get to the right place and time."

Also, that happened on May 25th--not 6 months ago which Bowlsby stated was when the UT/OU SEC debacle began taking shape in secret while OU/UT were still sitting in on BIG 12 planning meetings. For all we know the BIG 12 was planning on expansion at that time and were played by OU/UT and ESPN. We know from Bowlsby's comments that OU/UT were pretending in person that everything was fine--they even participated in BIG 12 media days right before the news broke--so how would Bowlsby have known?

As to FOX--obviously FOX didn't pull any teams out of the BIG 12 and offer them lucrative contracts to do so--while ESPN has.

All the BIG 12 schools are power conference schools and UT/OU signed a 99 year agreement to remain in the conference as well as signing GOR agreements for their media rights and buyout clauses. Now for some reason they are trying to duck out of those agreements and in order to help them do it a network is trying to really dissolve the BIG 12 and devalue the remaining membership--which also benefits the network financially.

Really no option but to pursue their rights to get those who signed on to honor their commitments. As Bowlsby has stated he has evidence to prove what he is stating about the situation.
 
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That it was the networks driving this with the goal to simply dissolve the conference.

Then you start posting OMG LOOK ESPN WAS BEHIND THIS!!!!

Well, duh...we told you that.

You are a little picture guy who cant get your head around it....
Not sure what your issue is--I told you as much (or really more) than you told me. You didn't break anything to anyone--certainly not myself.

Curious as to why you feel a need to try to attack me for discussing what's happening? Very odd--but then so are you. Its called a MESSAGE BOARD and here, people discuss things happening.

Rather than trying to attack me personally? Perhaps join in the discussion? No--who would do that on a MESSAGE BOARD?!
 
This is what it comes down to (from one of the CBS articles):

"While it's reasonable to expect further consolidations in conference realignment, the Big 12 believes the conferences themselves should control that dialogue instead of what it considers to be undue influence by ESPN."

Also from (SI):

...and told SI that ESPN "had their hands all over the Texas and Oklahoma move to the SEC. They were was deceptive as you can possibly be. There are right and wrong ways to (do) these things. They sought to deceive us from the very beginning."
 
This is what it comes down to (from one of the CBS articles):

"While it's reasonable to expect further consolidations in conference realignment, the Big 12 believes the conferences themselves should control that dialogue instead of what it considers to be undue influence by ESPN."

Also from (SI):

...and told SI that ESPN "had their hands all over the Texas and Oklahoma move to the SEC. They were was deceptive as you can possibly be. There are right and wrong ways to (do) these things. They sought to deceive us from the very beginning."

Lol, the B12 didnt seem to care about the right and wrong ways of doing it when they poached WVU from Big East and helped us sue our way out of the conference...
 
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