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atlkvb said:
The first post I made in this thread was a question you couldn't/didn't answer. You can't demand what you're not first providing. You don't/can't answer questions that obviously defeat your positions. So as a dodging tactic, you throw out unrelated questions then demand answers to those before first responding to the questions that expose your faulty positions or errors.

You've been pointing the finger at Israel throughout the thread. Yet you refuse to answer:

Who does that land belong to?

Where in history did the Nation of Palestine ever exist and what was its Capitol? You can't expect answers to your questions while you avoid answering that which is at the heart of the dispute.
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You keep asking questions but have yet to answer one of my questions in the beginning of the thread. Now, you are also doubling down.

You coattail someone's response on Israel wants a two state solution. I showed you otherwise. You could at least admit you got that wrong... or not.

:)
 
Gunny46 said:
The,y are already here goofball. We definitely need to take care of alot of stuff here before jumping into WW3. However bombing Iran Leadership would definitely slow alot of this nonsense down. Biden won't do it because he doesn't want to piss off voters in Michigan and Minnesota.
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Why do you /bump your own thread from 4 years ago? Did Biden really own you that badly? :)
 
indyrckstar said:
The capital of Israel is still Jerusalem.

tired jesus christ GIF by lilcozynostril
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That wasn't the question. What was the Capitol of Palestine, and when in history as an independent nation did it exist? If you can't answer that, just admit it and stop deflecting.
 
indyrckstar said:
You keep asking questions but have yet to answer one of my questions in the beginning of the thread. Now, you are also doubling down.

You coattail someone's response on Israel wants a two state solution. I showed you otherwise. You could at least admit you got that wrong... or not.

:)
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Using history for your reference point, who were the first inhabitants of the land currently in dispute? Jews or Arabs?
(I can't make it any simpler than that) there is only one correct answer. What is it? The answer btw, solves the dispute. That's why you won't answer it. It was my first question before you asked me anything.
 
cam_blev said:
Ahh... "If we don't fight them over there they're gonna come get us over here!"
Fear mongering, the tool of authoritarians to get the people to give up their freedoms


so the correct response is to print money making inflation and the lives of Americans worse for us to help our "buddies" do the same to them?

PRINTING MONEY FOR ENDLESS WAR HAS 10000000000x more to do with our inflation problems than Joe Biden but ya know gotta fund that military industrial complex (how many arguing here would lose their paychecks if not?)

"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world."
-George Washington, Mount Vernon 9/19/1796

but you know who cares what this country was supposed to be founded on or about the ideas of the founding fathers right?
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I don’t know how you could think that had anything to do with what I said. Inflation? Permanent alliances? You are way too emotional about this topic.
 
atlkvb said:
Using history for your reference point, who were the first inhabitants of the land currently in dispute? Jews or Arabs?
(I can't make it any simpler than that) there is only one correct answer. What is it? The answer btw, solves the dispute. That's why you won't answer it. It was my first question before you asked me anything.
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Did you see all the twitter posts on here? Crazy, huh??? :smiley::smiley:
 
DvlDog4WVU said:
Some virtue signaling moron trying to use TikTok as the basis of their arguments against someone with first hand knowledge and experience?
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Good morning,

Are you ready today? :smiley:

I was thinking about the extreme far right 4-5 posters on here chiming in on Tik Tok. With the consensus that it's a joke to obtain news from the social media platform. I am fine with that opinion but of course, I am going to call you and others out for doing the exact same thing. I will explain here shortly...

I have no issues with utilizing Tik Tok social platform. I have used it yesterday, now, will use it tomorrow, etc... For myself, it's a way to get news, entertainment, trends, etc... It has been a way to get perspective from people all over the world and not just be controlled as a puppet by Western media corruption.

So here comes the fun part... I was thinking what avenue helps shape the minds for people like Gunny, atlkvb, yourself, etc... ??? What media platform are you obtaining and saying, you are good with what comes from there. The answer is straight up obvious from two direct resources.

1. WV Rivals message board
2. Twitter

If you click on this part of the forum, EVERY SINGLE THREAD has posters using Twitter social media as their avenue for news. Not one extreme right poster questions it. It's quite the opposite as I have gone through a few threads reading posters accept it because meeting right status quo agenda for extreme right stance. This includes you my friend. You are easily guilty of this as I skimmed through the threads with you doing the exact same thing as I would with Tik Tok. You comment on it, post your own twitter posts, are all tunnel vision far right and anything not far right, will blast away. It's safe to say you and I are not much difference with obtaining news with utilizing social media. You are on freaking WV Rivals site daily.

Let me know which way you want to spin the social media platforms...

As for your real life adventures, you had a strong right perspective well before joining the military. It's not a big deal but before, during, and after doesn't change the type of person you have become.

Let me know which part hurts you here and what avenue of hypocrisy you want to spit out? :)

Tik Tok vs Twitter vs WV Rival message board. There literally serve the exact same purpose. I use all three and other social media platforms.
 
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Also, learn from multiple far right posters on this thread, that Israel wants a two state solution and Palestine doesn't. Yet somehow, it was 100% wrong...
 
Just googling around and found this below (thought it was interesting)...

Origin of the Term Genocide​

The word “genocide” did not exist prior to 1944. It is a very specific term coined by a Polish-Jewish lawyer named Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959) who sought to describe Nazi policies of systematic murder during the Holocaust, including the destruction of European Jews. He formed the word genocide by combining geno-, from the Greek word for race or tribe, with -cide, from the Latin word for killing.

Genocide as an International Crime​

On December 9, 1948, the United Nations approved a written international agreement known as the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This convention established genocide as an international crime, which signatory nations “undertake to prevent and punish.” Preventing genocide, the other major obligation of the convention, remains a challenge that nations, institutions, and individuals continue to face.


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indyrckstar said:
Good morning,

Are you ready today? :smiley:

I was thinking about the extreme far right 4-5 posters on here chiming in on Tik Tok. With the consensus that it's a joke to obtain news from the social media platform. I am fine with that opinion but of course, I am going to call you and others out for doing the exact same thing. I will explain here shortly...

I have no issues with utilizing Tik Tok social platform. I have used it yesterday, now, will use it tomorrow, etc... For myself, it's a way to get news, entertainment, trends, etc... It has been a way to get perspective from people all over the world and not just be controlled as a puppet by Western media corruption.

So here comes the fun part... I was thinking what avenue helps shape the minds for people like Gunny, atlkvb, yourself, etc... ??? What media platform are you obtaining and saying, you are good with what comes from there. The answer is straight up obvious from two direct resources.

1. WV Rivals message board
2. Twitter

If you click on this part of the forum, EVERY SINGLE THREAD has posters using Twitter social media as their avenue for news. Not one extreme right poster questions it. It's quite the opposite as I have gone through a few threads reading posters accept it because meeting right status quo agenda for extreme right stance. This includes you my friend. You are easily guilty of this as I skimmed through the threads with you doing the exact same thing as I would with Tik Tok. You comment on it, post your own twitter posts, are all tunnel vision far right and anything not far right, will blast away. It's safe to say you and I are not much difference with obtaining news with utilizing social media. You are on freaking WV Rivals site daily.

Let me know which way you want to spin the social media platforms...

As for your real life adventures, you had a strong right perspective well before joining the military. It's not a big deal but before, during, and after doesn't change the type of person you have become.

Let me know which part hurts you here and what avenue of hypocrisy you want to spit out? :)

Tik Tok vs Twitter vs WV Rival message board. There literally serve the exact same purpose. I use all three and other social media platforms.
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Much of what I go full in on and take an entrenched position, like this, I have direct knowledge of. If it’s happening in the Middle East, I have a measure of involvement as I have people on the ground all over there. I also receive open source intel and media reports daily from all over the world for my IRL role. By extension, if it involves geopolitics anywhere in the world where military involvement is a potential, there are numerous open source papers I study.

You presume I read 82s X threads. Some of them I do, but I take all of them with a grain of salt. Just like the TikTok stuff you posted, most of it is snipped and cut edited events out of context. Like your Rogan stuff. It just so happened I was listening to the Coleman Hughes interview on the way home yesterday and realized there was 30 minutes of context you were missing. I’ve pointed it out, you can listen for yourself.

With respect to the direct topic at hand, I have life experience that informs my knowledge adding context you don’t have and will be unable to get from listening to people discuss it, who also lacks direct level context.

You made a statement about me before and during my military life. I’m not sure how you’d know what my political positions were. There are exactly 2 people on TBL that knew me then. What I’ve become? I’m not even sure what that is or means. In reality, I’m someone who has for their entire adult life been a participant and student of US intervention abroad in varying capacities.

Part of what gives me an advantage on topics like this is that I don’t limit my intake to one side. I make sure to understand the perspectives, experience, and level of knowledge of those thinking opposite of me so I can understand how to combat their illogical positions.

It’s clear on this topic, there is zero chance of even altering your view. You’re convinced of your position. It’s wrong, but you’re convinced of it. Just the basic definition and use of the word genocide is being misappropriated. Much like you though, I’m not vested into trying to be right, on this specific topic, I know that I am. I’m merely just passing some time arguing because it amuses me and gets my mind off of real life for the 5 minutes it takes me to type something out.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Much of what I go full in on and take an entrenched position, like this, I have direct knowledge of. If it’s happening in the Middle East, I have a measure of involvement as I have people on the ground all over there. I also receive open source intel and media reports daily from all over the world for my IRL role. By extension, if it involves geopolitics anywhere in the world where military involvement is a potential, there are numerous open source papers I study.

You presume I read 82s X threads. Some of them I do, but I take all of them with a grain of salt. Just like the TikTok stuff you posted, most of it is snipped and cut edited events out of context. Like your Rogan stuff. It just so happened I was listening to the Coleman Hughes interview on the way home yesterday and realized there was 30 minutes of context you were missing. I’ve pointed it out, you can listen for yourself.

With respect to the direct topic at hand, I have life experience that informs my knowledge adding context you don’t have and will be unable to get from listening to people discuss it, who also lacks direct level context.

You made a statement about me before and during my military life. I’m not sure how you’d know what my political positions were. There are exactly 2 people on TBL that knew me then. What I’ve become? I’m not even sure what that is or means. In reality, I’m someone who has for their entire adult life been a participant and student of US intervention abroad in varying capacities.

Part of what gives me an advantage on topics like this is that I don’t limit my intake to one side. I make sure to understand the perspectives, experience, and level of knowledge of those thinking opposite of me so I can understand how to combat their illogical positions.

It’s clear on this topic, there is zero chance of even altering your view. You’re convinced of your position. It’s wrong, but you’re convinced of it. Just the basic definition and use of the word genocide is being misappropriated. Much like you though, I’m not vested into trying to be right, on this specific topic, I know that I am. I’m merely just passing some time arguing because it amuses me and gets my mind off of real life for the 5 minutes it takes me to type something out.
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You are 100% in reading/make Twitter posts/comment/have no issues to Twitter in general. I have read plenty from your side. Never object that t up that it came from Twitter or even Rivals forums. Today's draw the line came with Tik Tok. Totally get it... You have made reference to Tik Tok a couple of times when I brought it up in this thread. At the end of the day, it's social media platforms with all three. Might reference within to old school Fox, CNN, NY Times, etc..., or groups, individuals, etc.. but those will get fed through a social platform as well.

While I have never been in active duty (only former weekend warrior), I also have similar resources to those that are currently serving. I actually hear it from both sides of the fence with many of the topic going on. Many, with strong opinions based on what they have seen, been around, etc... Yeah, I don't agree with some of their takes (much likes yours). There are others served in the Middle East have been a complete different take than yours. Again, it really comes down to the person before, during, and even after those events. Sometimes, it changes a person. Often times, it doesn't.

Agreed that we are not going to change either other views. At this point, I am having fun with it. Pretty much everyone has their battle lines drawn. I am more fascinated with the right folks people on here. 82 have 170k posts on this particular forum alone. He has done a good job of controlling the forum.
 
indyrckstar said:
You are 100% in reading/make Twitter posts/comment/have no issues to Twitter in general. I have read plenty from your side. Never object that t up that it came from Twitter or even Rivals forums. Today's draw the line came with Tik Tok. Totally get it... You have made reference to Tik Tok a couple of times when I brought it up in this thread. At the end of the day, it's social media platforms with all three. Might reference within to old school Fox, CNN, NY Times, etc..., or groups, individuals, etc.. but those will get fed through a social platform as well.

While I have never been in active duty (only former weekend warrior), I also have similar resources to those that are currently serving. I actually hear it from both sides of the fence with many of the topic going on. Many, with strong opinions based on what they have seen, been around, etc... Yeah, I don't agree with some of their takes (much likes yours). There are others served in the Middle East have been a complete different take than yours. Again, it really comes down to the person before, during, and even after those events. Sometimes, it changes a person. Often times, it doesn't.

Agreed that we are not going to change either other views. At this point, I am having fun with it. Pretty much everyone has their battle lines drawn. I am more fascinated with the right folks people on here. 82 have 170k posts on this particular forum alone. He has done a good job of controlling the forum.
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I’ve never in my life posted a Twitter post. I’ve certainly responded in threads with them but I’ve never started one with something from social media. It would be extremely difficult as I don’t have Twitter or any other social media for that matter. I don’t really see TikTok as any different than the rest. I called it out, because that’s what you posted. Had you posted tweets, I’d have said the same. At the end of the day, Twitter, TikTok, The Gram, etc. the majority of the political posts are severely out of context to drive a narrative.

Anyone even remotely involved in MOUT will tell you what’s occurring in Israel isn’t genocide. It’s the hell of MOUT. It’s expected that either you’re going to take massive casualties or you’re going to inflict massive civilian casualties or both. It’s why Hamas is functioning the way they are. They’re intentionally using civilians for cover. Instead of calling that out, you’re condemning Israel for engaging the battlefield presented. It’s illogical.

Regardless, your position can be whatever it is. You’ve not stopped to ask or address the “who benefits” from the position you’re taking? The “why is this position being pushed”? The IRGC and Hamas are getting smacked stupid right now. They underestimated the resolve and want off the ride now. This is why the emotional rhetoric is being pushed.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
I’ve never in my life posted a Twitter post. I’ve certainly responded in threads with them but I’ve never started one with something from social media. It would be extremely difficult as I don’t have Twitter or any other social media for that matter. I don’t really see TikTok as any different than the rest. I called it out, because that’s what you posted. Had you posted tweets, I’d have said the same. At the end of the day, Twitter, TikTok, The Gram, etc. the majority of the political posts are severely out of context to drive a narrative.

Anyone even remotely involved in MOUT will tell you what’s occurring in Israel isn’t genocide. It’s the hell of MOUT. It’s expected that either you’re going to take massive casualties or you’re going to inflict massive civilian casualties or both. It’s why Hamas is functioning the way they are. They’re intentionally using civilians for cover. Instead of calling that out, you’re condemning Israel for engaging the battlefield presented. It’s illogical.

Regardless, your position can be whatever it is. You’ve not stopped to ask or address the “who benefits” from the position you’re taking? The “why is this position being pushed”? The IRGC and Hamas are getting smacked stupid right now. They underestimated the resolve and want off the ride now. This is why the emotional rhetoric is being pushed.
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Except it is genocide. Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't mean it's inaccurate. ICJ called it out. So has many other countries not named US/UK/a couple of other western counties.

Israel benefits as they are already confirmed in selling real estate and eliminating an entire group. They will call it all Hamas though... USA benefits from a military strategic perspective. AIPAC benefits it for all the above reasoning.

Curious, what's your take on AIPAC?
 
indyrckstar said:
Except it is genocide. Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't mean it's inaccurate. ICJ called it out. So has many other countries not named US/UK/a couple of other western counties.

Israel benefits as they are already confirmed in selling real estate and eliminating an entire group. They will call it all Hamas though... USA benefits from a military strategic perspective. AIPAC benefits it for all the above reasoning.

Curious, what's your take on AIPAC?
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How is it genocide? Are they killing the Palestinian people because of ethnicity or religion? Or are they at war with hamas and the Palestinian people overwhelming support humas ?
 
roadtrasheer said:
How is it genocide? Are they killing the Palestinian people because of ethnicity or religion? Or are they at war with hamas and the Palestinian people overwhelming support humas ?
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Ethnic cleaning, not allowing food, water, electricity, medical, continues to push the entire population smaller and smaller to the south, etc... While 35k ish is dead. 100k are on the starvation. And so forth...

Even in Israel, people are calling it out.

Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’​


I could care less how you folks want to believe in. You are wrong if you can't figure it out by now.
 
indyrckstar said:
Except it is genocide. Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't mean it's inaccurate. ICJ called it out. So has many other countries not named US/UK/a couple of other western counties.

Israel benefits as they are already confirmed in selling real estate and eliminating an entire group. They will call it all Hamas though... USA benefits from a military strategic perspective. AIPAC benefits it for all the above reasoning.

Curious, what's your take on AIPAC?
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I think you lack the perspective on the geopolitical reasoning, rationale, separate motivations and alliances behind some of the entities you’ve previously listed on their response towards Israel. I’m not going to take the time to lay it out for you, but if you’re just tuning in, it’s to be taken with a grain of sand. Same thing with the ICJ and broader UN. Your take presumes an ambivalent totally neutral entity with an unbiased view devoid of broader motivations and influences from entities who reside on the boards of these entities. The ICJ and UN are anything but.

My view on the AIPAC is the same as all PACs. I think CU was a horrible decision and set us on a death spiral as a nation, drastically infusing corruption into politics in both sides of the aisle. AIPAC has some powerful entities backing it and they have a lot of influence. They walk the shady grey area quite effortlessly, much like the IAPAC and the NIAC.
 
indyrckstar said:
Ethnic cleaning, not allowing food, water, electricity, medical, continues to push the entire population smaller and smaller to the south, etc... While 35k ish is dead. 100k are on the starvation. And so forth...

Even in Israel, people are calling it out.

Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’​


I could care less how you folks want to believe in. You are wrong if you can't figure it out by now.
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Is Israel killing the Palestinian people because of there ethnicity? Or are they killing them and it don't matter how because of the trash they got in bed with? Can't change the name or definition of something to fit a narrative.
COVID-19 vaccine is not a vaccine...they call it one
Illegal immigrants is not undocumented they are illegals.
Pedophile is not a minor attracted person they are sick bastards.
The list is endless in today's world where people or groups change definition to fit a story line or emotional narrative.
I personally think we should get out of everyone's business around the globe for the most part and work on our own problems. Hell our leaders are ****ing our country up so bad 3/4 of cities is shit holes and the others are to expensive to live and we are telling others what they should do ....please ....sorta like taking financial advice from a welfare person
 
indyrckstar said:
Ethnic cleaning, not allowing food, water, electricity, medical, continues to push the entire population smaller and smaller to the south, etc... While 35k ish is dead. 100k are on the starvation. And so forth...

Even in Israel, people are calling it out.

Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’​


I could care less how you folks want to believe in. You are wrong if you can't figure it out by now.
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I have figured it out, no amount of emotional rhetoric will change it. You posted an article from an extremely left wing segment of Israel, when, surprisingly, the right wing is in charge of Israel and their pundits, academics, and politicians are shockingly, playing politics. Again, you need perspective, and you need to recognize, Israel is as polarized between Right and Left as we are here. How many internally were accusing the US for war crimes in Iraq? How many pundits? Flip administrations and it went the other way. Same shit, different people. Perspective.
 
DvlDog4WVU said:
I have figured it out, no amount of emotional rhetoric will change it. You posted an article from an extremely left wing segment of Israel, when, surprisingly, the right wing is in charge of Israel and their pundits, academics, and politicians are shockingly, playing politics. Again, you need perspective, and you need to recognize, Israel is as polarized between Right and Left as we are here. How many internally were accusing the US for war crimes in Iraq? How many pundits? Flip administrations and it went the other way. Same shit, different people. Perspective.
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Your answers are always the same with far left when you are a far right. It's the most convenient response ever. At this point, you are will never acknowledge it. I'm good with your stance.
 
indyrckstar said:
Your answers are always the same with far left when you are a far right. It's the most convenient response ever. At this point, you are will never acknowledge it. I'm good with your stance.
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I’m providing you context of why your position is nonsensical.

At the end of the day, BiBi is going to play this out to conclusion. Nothing is going to change that unless the Palestinians and Hamas fully capitulate and return the remaining hostages. Hamas and the IRGC will take a crushing defeat. In turn, they’ll continue to allow civilians to suffer prolonging it as long as possible in order to garner ammo for their propaganda war. The Marxists will lament the poor plight of the oppressed Palestinians and condemn the evil Israeli oppressors. The left will decry the right wing in Israel and again, utilize the suffering of the Palestinians to try and regain power in the Knesset. The rest of the Arab world will do nothing to try and help the Palestinians because they don’t really care about them either. Good luck on your quest for change though, careful not to lose your voice yelling at the sky.
 
DvlDog4WVU said:
I have figured it out, no amount of emotional rhetoric will change it. You posted an article from an extremely left wing segment of Israel, when, surprisingly, the right wing is in charge of Israel and their pundits, academics, and politicians are shockingly, playing politics. Again, you need perspective, and you need to recognize, Israel is as polarized between Right and Left as we are here. How many internally were accusing the US for war crimes in Iraq? How many pundits? Flip administrations and it went the other way. Same shit, different people. Perspective.
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Correct on the polarized infighting. I made the same point when Hamas attacked Isarel and the politics that come afterwards. I would caution people calling others who support Isarel winning this war far right though.

Many far left and Neo-Nazi groups are united in supporting Hamas, Hezbollah, and even Iran. They all want same end result. The destruction of Isarel.
 
Totally correct on the infighting!
Does the right see BiBi as the strongman in Israel? Was he on the verge of being removed before the October attacks? Did his corruption case ever come to an end?

Edit: I would be very interested to read info on this from every side but unfamiliar with the leanings of foreign media other than Aljazeera. Who would be the "right wing" or at least the side in favor of Bibi?
 
The association exists. All you have to do is read their Twitter or other Social Media Accounts. They have told you exactly where they stand.


 
indyrckstar said:
Your answers are always the same with far left when you are a far right. It's the most convenient response ever. At this point, you are will never acknowledge it. I'm good with your stance.
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For all the posturing and self righteous pontification you post on here you cannot answer one simple question which effectively slices right through your Left wing anti-Israeli rhetoric.

Between the two sides in this dispute, which side refuses to accept Israel's right to exist?

The two sides are the Palestinians and Israelis correct? A so called "two state solution" involves both of them recognizing each other's right to equally co-exist correct? So which side refuses to accept Israel's right to exist as an independent "second State"? Which side is sworn to other's destruction?

You will not answer that, because you know it defeats your entire argument. As I said you have zero credibility on this issue
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cam_blev said:
Totally correct on the infighting!
Does the right see BiBi as the strong in Israel? Was he on the verge of being removed before the October attacks? Did his corruption case ever come to an end?
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They better hope he is strong enough to win this War and convince Hamas and Hezbollah to surrender. If not several more October 7's will happen again and again. You don't have to like him or his politics to understand what happens if he doesn't succeed. There's not an academic solution in this. Fight war. Win war. If not you will see real genocide. Only idiot's that think the Holocaust was made up don't understand what's going on here and now you get to add the far left socialist supporting Jihadist. It's really fvcking insane when you look at the big picture.
 
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