He's 6. At the end of the day someone put the gun in his hands. Through negligence or with criminal intent. The only question is which one and if negligence how much.
6-year-old in custody after shooting teacher in Virginia, police chief says
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He's 6. At the end of the day someone put the gun in his hands. Through negligence or with criminal intent. The only question is which one and if negligence how much.
Right. That's what it all comes down to. Were the parents'/custodians' efforts to secure the weapon reasonable and appropriate? In Newport News, I am not expecting reasonable efforts to have been made.
People need to just let the facts play out before assigning responsibility.
Here we go again. If someone actually put a gun in the kids' hands, it won't be considered negligence. It will be far worse since that is an overt act of arming the kid.
You understand you are claiming someone actually approached the kid and handed him the gun? I expect we will learn that did not occur.
As far as a court case or charges. We can agree. Would your kids picked up a gun at 6. Or did you teach them better? Obviously nobody taught him better.
No that's what you are doing. I'm saying through some kind of negligence or criminal intent someone allowed the gun to end up in a 6 year olds hand. If it was negligence then what lwvel is the only question left.
Neither do you. I'm pretty confident he used his finger to pull the trigger though. Proper grip and stance I'm not so sure about. But odds are good he was holding it in his hands. The only question is how did there.
Agreed, but 2 posts ago you said someone actually put the gun in the kid's hands. That is very unlikely.
You already know the answer. Someone approached the kid and handed him the gun.
You have repeatedly told me that in this thread.
If you were really a Lawyer you would take everything I posted in this thread and consider all of it together.
Those parents ought to be arrested for child neglect/abuse for allowing that kid to even leave their house with a loaded weapon! My Lord what have we become? Then this ignorant Leftist in the thread feigns his "outrage" over that obviously irresponsible behavior, but I've never read one complaint from him about little tykes being exposed to grown ass gay men in thongs gyrating in front of them during "storybook time" in public libraries!
Situational relativism on display on the Left in this God forsaken country. Lord have Mercy!
I did. And I think you realize the likelihood of someone handing the kid that firearm is minimal; rather, the more likely scenario is the kid grabbed it himself and put the gun into his own hands.
Your ego just won't allow you to admit you said something stupid and you have spent dozens of posts doubling down on it.
Yes when I hear a child of 6 done something like this I automatically awesome an adult is at fault. I would argue that unless he was born evil, and I believe some are , that it was an adult who failed this child .
I strenuously disagree with you none of us know anything. There is quite a bit we already know in fact.
Using some simple logic we already know certain things:
The child had no self awareness of the danger he was placing himself or his classmates in bringing a loaded weapon into a classroom.
The child was not thoroughly taught or advised that a loaded firearm is dangerous and deadly and absolutely wrong to use either to threaten anyone with using or even worse point at or use on another person!
The child was not properly observed or monitored either upon leaving home or once arriving at school.
The child had poor or no counseling, little or no chastising, none or even less restraining behavior against the use of a firearm. No six year old should ever have any reasonable purpose even being exposed to one, let alone being shown how to use one or more incredibly acquiring one loaded!
The child has little to no morals instruction or common respect for adult authority if he thought it was OK to threaten a teacher with gun violence let alone actually carry out the threat. Those threats were too cavalierly dismissed by teachers and/or those supervising that child.
The child is not self sustaining, therefore the child's home environment is glaringly lacking in basic attention to common sense supervision, training, respect for adult authority, or basic deferential obedience to those responsible for the child's safety, welfare, care, and ultimate behavior.
We know all of these things as a result of the careless, irresponsible, disrespectful, and dangerous behavior the child demonstrated which is a direct result of the overall negligence outlined here. Guess what we also know? At every point in the breakdown of this child's supervision which led to this dangerous and irresponsible behavior, an adult was either dangerously irresponsible or dangerously negligent. We don't need all the actual details behind these observations which have resulted in this destructive behavior but we do know an adult or perhaps even more than one is indeed negligent and therefore responsible.
The facts once investigated will corroborate what we already know. Simple logical common sense.
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Again he's six. I made it pretty clear that someone put it directly in his hands or through negligence allowed it to get into his hands. If we find out that he cracked a safe then the adult who allowed it might have a defense.
It really isn't as difficult as you are trying to make it.
I doubt the 2nd amendment rights apply to 6 year olds but leaving a gun laying around where a minor can find/use the weapon surely isn't allowed no matter what the parent/adult in charge thinks.
There's hundreds of articles with gun control activist using this tragedy as example for why we need more gun control. There's already enough laws and common sense solutions that would have probably prevented it. Let's concentrate on those instead.
We got
Neo Nazis
Antifa
Cartels
Gangs
Russia
China
And Anarchist running around all over the place. So no gun control and more dealing with all that from our elected leaders.
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Child soldiers in Africa - Wikipedia
Child soldiers in Africa - Wikipedia
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Let's hope it was just negligence however that is a great example of kids being used as "soldiers".
YPG/PKK have done the same thing for years. I posted a long time ago about those Socialist groups doing it.
Iraq: Armed Groups Using Child Soldiers
Armed groups in Iraq affiliated to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party have recruited boys and girls, Human Rights Watch said today. In two cases the armed groups abducted or seriously abused children who tried to leave their forces. The groups should urgently demobilize children, investigate abuses...
Armed groups in Iraq affiliated to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party have recruited boys and girls, Human Rights Watch said today. In two cases the armed groups abducted or seriously abused children who tried to leave their forces. The groups should urgently demobilize children, investigate abuses, pledge to end child recruitment, and appropriately penalize commanders who fail to do so.
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U.N. report: West Africa has highest numbers of child soldiers
Trapped in conflicts, the children of West and Central Africa are the most recruited by armed groups in the world and also have the highest number of victims of sexual violence, says a report released Tuesday by the United Nations Children’s Fund.
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U.N. report: West Africa has highest numbers of child soldiers
The Amendment makes no reference to age. I don't think there is a person on this board who thinks a 6 year old should have a firearm, but the Amendment doesn't not provide for that exclusion.
People want to be strict Constitutionalists when convenient and want interpretation when convenient.
Doesn't Virginia law state that adults must keep guns out of utes access under 14? Pretty sure it does. So not even sure what your point is anymore. Somewhere an adult has some questions to answer.
Virginia
18.2-56.2. Allowing access to firearms by children; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to recklessly leave a loaded, unsecured firearm in such a manner as to endanger the life or limb of any child under the age of fourteen. Any person violating the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.B. It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to authorize a child under the age of twelve to use a firearm except when the child is under the supervision of an adult. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. For purposes of this subsection, "adult" shall mean a parent, guardian, person standing in loco parentis to the child or a person twenty-one years or over who has the permission of the parent, guardian, or person standing in loco parentis to supervise the child in the use of a firearm.
It is something similar to that. And a law preventing the 6 year old from being taken by the Department of Corrections so the kid gets off for shooting his teacher.
And my point is everybody needs to take about 3 steps back and let the investigation run its course rather than jump to conclusions and assume facts which they know nothing about.
He's 6. What exactly do you want to do with the 6 year old? If he was older you would onto something.
So by this reasoning any age related laws is infringing on minors Constitutional rights?
I'm truly asking, that's what it sounds like to me .
He isn't going to amount to shit in life anyway. I guess the Hampton Roads community will just have to deal with his crimes until he commits a crime at the proper age. Lucky us!
I wonder how many more people he will shoot. Hopefully, the next time he puts a gun in his hand someone else is quicker on the draw and puts this shit 6 feet under.
It absolutely infringes on the rights of minors, but not every such infringement is Unconstitutional, if that makes sense. We have acceptable limits and restrictions on our Constitutional freedoms. The issues are always where the lines get drawn.
I definitely didn't say put him back in class when school opens. I am saying he's 6 so there's bigger problem that needs addressed that led to his mindset and actions.
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Reading your absence of applied common logic in this thread suggests to me your interpretation of basic common sense may be fundamentally flawed? Not sure where you studied legal jurisprudence however there is a concept behind application of all laws that involves a measure of common sense in which one can draw conclusions from an already accepted logical system.
The Significance of Logic for Law - The National Judicial College
Basic principles of logic are used regularly in legal reasoning and judicial decision making. Read more on logic for law here.
www.judges.org
excerpt:
It is thus worthwhile for practitioners and students of the law alike to possess an understanding of the basic principles of logic that are used regularly in legal reasoning and judicial decision making. This understanding requires, in important part, skill in navigating the processes of inductive reasoning — the methods of analogy and inductive generalization — by which inferences are drawn on the basis of past experience and empirical observation. The common law method of case law development, as well as the general prescript often referred to as “the Rule of Law” — that like cases be decided alike — are grounded logically in inductive reasoning.
This is not a personal attack on you or your basic application of legal adjudication, rather it is simply a reaction to what you've expressed in this thread demonstrating a glaring lack of simple common sense regarding the incredible behavior of a 6 year old and the dangerous careless use of a loaded firearm.
Let's hope it was just negligence however that is a great example of kids being used as "soldiers".
YPG/PKK have done the same thing for years. I posted a long time ago about those Socialist groups doing it.
Iraq: Armed Groups Using Child Soldiers
Armed groups in Iraq affiliated to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party have recruited boys and girls, Human Rights Watch said today. In two cases the armed groups abducted or seriously abused children who tried to leave their forces. The groups should urgently demobilize children, investigate abuses...www.hrw.org
Armed groups in Iraq affiliated to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party have recruited boys and girls, Human Rights Watch said today. In two cases the armed groups abducted or seriously abused children who tried to leave their forces. The groups should urgently demobilize children, investigate abuses, pledge to end child recruitment, and appropriately penalize commanders who fail to do so.
Not talking about this specific kid but in general how other things can be connected in the chaos around the world.
Antifa: Trained by terrorist PKK in Syria, may end up outlawed in the US
US President Trump aims to declare Antifa as a domestic terrorist organisation. But the group has been in Syria since 2014 and its violent record well documented after a series of controversial decisions taken by the Obama administration in 2015.
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Antifa: Trained by terrorist PKK in Syria, may end up outlawed in the US
Mom purchased the gun legally.
Child brought it from and intentionally shot the teacher.
COP says investigation in how the gun was secured (obviously not good enough) is ongoing and charges against Parents will be determined by Prosecutor after that's completed.
Or in other words strict adherence to the letter of the Law can sometimes lead to a mis application to the Spirit of the Law.
Good post!
