there needs to be a very good reason. With the testing we have now, there's almost no reason for parents not to know by then. We would probably disagree as what is a reason after that period.
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If we can protect California Sea Turtles who no one really knows personally, surely we can protect a human being who at least two people know intimately, and maybe even a few more?
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Abortions after 21 weeks are rare, just over 1% of total abortions. Almost all of these are due to medical emergencies with the mother or fetal problems that render the fetus not viable. These are things like a brain that doesnt develop beyond a stem or child that is going to be born without a skull.
So, lets say the first child is born. They have a brain stem, so they may be able to breath and have a heart beat, but they will never be able to do any higher function than that. Should the dr be required by law to take heroic measures to save it? For how long? Sometimes a child could possibly lead a life after this, but that depends on the amount of the brain that had developed, if any at all. Maybe that is a decision that the mother and doctor should make before birth.
How about a mother who has sudden heart failure due to the pregnancy. Is that a death sentence because she is 25 weeks along?
So, lets say the first child is born. They have a brain stem, so they may be able to breath and have a heart beat, but they will never be able to do any higher function than that. Should the dr be required by law to take heroic measures to save it? For how long? Sometimes a child could possibly lead a life after this, but that depends on the amount of the brain that had developed, if any at all. Maybe that is a decision that the mother and doctor should make before birth.
How about a mother who has sudden heart failure due to the pregnancy. Is that a death sentence because she is 25 weeks along?
Absolutely. But now you understand why late term abortions being legal is important. Because what if somebody had a a very good reason (their life was on the line) but the law prevented them from being able to have the procedure done?
Is there a sign on the cooler telling me what it is? Id probably carry both since I have 2 arms and I am a damn badass.
The "if their life is on the line" argument is weak. Lets make it ok to perform birth control so the very few times the life of the mother is in danger.
Nobody is even suggesting the health of the mother be at risk. Just allow birth control anytime you want to protect the extremely small percentage of cases where the mothers life is at risk. Stop the madness.
That is demonstrably false. There are literally thousands of late terms abortions still being performed on perfectly healthy Babies, despite the fact it is indeed illegal in many parts of the country.
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...13000-late-term-abortions-happen-every-year-a
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abortion into the ninth month is legal under federal law. According to the CDC, almost 13,000 late-term abortions happen in the U.S. annually
Maybe...However the proponents of live birth abortions want the doctor and the mother to decide if a perfectly healthy Baby should live after it's born? Also, don't proponents of government run health care want Government bureaucrats intimately involved in Life or death situations?
Virtually all OB/GYN experts say it is almost never medically necessary to terminate a full term pregnancy in order to save the Life of the Mother. It rarely happens.
https://aaplog.org/is-late-term-abortion-ever-necessary/
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the proportion of late-term abortions has varied little in the last two decades. Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, shocked the general public in 1997 when he admitted that the vast majority of partial-birth abortions were performed on healthy mothers and babies.
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They are done for similar reasons as early abortions: relationship problems, young or old maternal age, education or financial concerns.
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T. Murphy Goodwin, M.D., a distinguished professor of maternal-fetal medicine at the University of Southern California, has written an eloquent article describing how women are told they need abortions for their own health, when this is patently untrue.10 A major reason for unnecessary abortion referrals is ignorance, to put it bluntly, especially on the part of physicians in medical specialties inexperienced in treating women with high-risk pregnancies. According to Goodwin, there are only three very rare conditions that result in a maternal mortality greater than 20% in the setting of late pregnancy 11 Even in these three situations there is room for latitude in waiting for fetal viability if the mother chooses to accept that risk.
https://www.nrlc.org/archive/abortion/pba/HowOftenAbortionNecessarySaveMother.pdf
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“Today it is possible for almost any patient to be brought through pregnancy alive, unless she suffers from a fatal illness such as cancer or leukemia, and, if so, abortion would be unlikely to prolong, much less save, life.”
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What govt Northam talked about wasn't somebody's life on the line. Adoption is always a better position, esp. for the baby who has never gotten to say whether it's for abortion.
Also, there's a reason that NY's law allows for non medical personnel to perform it. It would be against the docs sworn oath and the mental toll on physicians will be tremendous to do that. There's a reason that all firing squads had one non bullet, so there was always doubt as to whether you killed that person or not.
If that's the case, I would agree. If the mother just decides at the last minute, psychologically, I can't handle it, that's not good enough. In that case, it's not up to the doc and the patient, that becomes a societal issue about euthanasia.
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The woman can barely put together two sentences. I would pick a different person from your party as strong. Everybody gets to the point where they shouldn't be working.
Dont forget that Thomas is likely to retire this summer as well and Trump will replace him with Barrett or someone else when RuthGinny is officialdead.
I’d say Nikki Hayley is far and above anything offered by the Dems as a counter. Condi Rice is another and both are gasp...minorities!
Let's see; one set believes Hillary Clinton runs a clandestine child sex ring out of a pizza parlor and that JFK Jr. faked his death 20 years ago so that he could come back now to team up with Trump to stop her and one believes that there is merit to a federal investigation. Yup, those two things are exactly alike.
Its sad when you are so up to your eyeballs in your own bullshit that you think its really caviar.
