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If Chiefs can do it when not WVU?

More garbage from the make-believe Texas fan, WVpride304, now posting as TVZ. Nobody cares about your Google search results involving 1944, as they are as irrelevant to this discussion as you are, Pride. We get it, you're desperate for validation, and have no job to occupy your time.
 
Pretty sad because you are the one who spends his time here attacking everything about WVU.
Like they have damaged you.
 
What's really sad is that your self-esteem is so low that you have created dozens of profiles to post on a message board, and a completely fake persona as a make-believe Texas fan, Pride. Your insatiable need for attention and validation is remarkable. You are "damaged," indeed.
 
I see the truth hurts.
I don't know what you do. That is on you.

But being a Shitbird on this site should get you kicked in the face.
I for sure will.

Just stay over there on the Woodshed.
 
Your internet tough guy act is hysterical, Pride. You should be a stand-up comedian, if you ever decide to get a job. #ExposedFakeTexasFan
 
You are own by pretty much everyone on here.

Pretty sad your obsession with WVU.
Marshall isn't on their level so I don't why it even occurs
 
No true Texas fan would even know that Marshall exists. Of course, WVpride304 knows and takes great "pride" in Marshall and posts about the Herd all of the time.
 
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TownesVanZandt said:
According to history WVU was before the cutoff.
What is wrong with a WVU fan pushing that on a WVU message board...


Go over to the TCU message board Killer frogs and they claim they have 3 legit NC in Football.
That goes unchecked...
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We are not Pitt nor TCU that claim national titles because of some BS newspaper that declared it so. WVU does it without shame as they await a real college National Championship.

Now get lost horns down clown.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
We are not Pitt nor TCU that claim national titles because of some BS newspaper that declared it so. WVU does it without shame as they await a real college National Championship.

Now get lost horns down clown.
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You have a NIT Championship that you claim...
 
WVUALLEN said:
Two NIT championships are fact not claimed. But they have never won a National Championship in any sport other than rifle.
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No one is saying they claim a NCAA NC.
But the fact is they won the NIT when it was a bigger tournament than the NCAA.
This was CTE's point.

But WVU does claim both NIT Championships.
 
I don't think there is a single unclaimed NIT Championship unless a team had to vacate it....

You are talking about two different things.

Claim and unclaimed is more to do with football.
When someone like Colley Matrix declares you a NC that is unclaimed..
Most schools only claim AP or CFP now.
Before it was BCS and AP.
 
TownesVanZandt said:
No one is saying they claim a NCAA NC.
But the fact is they won the NIT when it was a bigger tournament than the NCAA.
This was CTE's point.

But WVU does claim both NIT Championships.
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Claim is not the same as fact. WVU does not claim a national championship. Yes CFE talks about WVU being National Champions and he looks forward to their 2nd. You are clueless. Is CFE another one of your double profiles or do you just like the wrinkles?

The Helms Athletic Foundation retroactively selected the NIT champion as its national champion for 1938 (Temple), and chose the NIT champion over the NCAA champion once, in 1939 (Long Island).

ONE TIME CLOWN TROLL!
 
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WVUALLEN said:
Claim is not the same as fact. WVU does not claim a national championship. Yes CFE talks about WVU being National Champions and he looks forward to their 2nd. You are clueless. Is CFE another one of your double profiles or do you just like the wrinkles?

The Helms Athletic Foundation retroactively selected the NIT champion as its national champion for 1938 (Temple), and chose the NIT champion over the NCAA champion once, in 1939 (Long Island).

ONE TIME CLOWN TROLL!
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The NIT Championship itself was considered a more significant championship. If he feels like that means they are a NC that is on him.

That was his point....

Never called it a NCAA NC.

You started saying that WVU didn't claim these NIT Championships.
That isn't true.


Don't see a reason to continue to attack CFE because the Shitbirds do...

You are doing their work for them.
 
Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
WVU won its ONLY national basketball title in 1942, when the NIT was THE national title. WVU won the NIT again in 2007, but it wasn’t THE national title by then.

Until the mid-1950s the NIT was regarded as THE national title. Better teams chose the NIT over the NCAA.

In 2005, the NCAA bought the NIT, relegating the NIT forever to playing to see who is #69 in the country (68 teams in March Madness).

I know, with March Madness, it seems like the NCAA has been the prize plum forever. Not so. Not in 1942 when the Mountaineers took Manhattan and the Big Apple by storm. You know, the hicks from the sticks in the most sophisticated city in America, or so outsiders thought.

So, if the Chiefs can win their second national title, why can’t this be the year that WVU wins its second true national title?
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TownesVanZandt said:
I don't think there is a single unclaimed NIT Championship unless a team had to vacate it....

You are talking about two different things.

Claim and unclaimed is more to do with football.
When someone like Colley Matrix declares you a NC that is unclaimed..
Most schools only claim AP or CFP now.
Before it was BCS and AP.
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You are leaving out history. Football dolts that claim teams as national champions.
NCF, HAF, CFRA, AP, UPI, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, BCS and now CFP.

Quit being stupid. CFE claims WVU as national champions in basketball and this is false.

The following are teams that claim National Titles

Year (pre-1939) School Source
1904 Hiram1904 Olympic Games college championship tournament
1908 Chicago National Championship Playoff
1912 Wisconsin Helms Athletic Foundation
1914 Wisconsin Helms Athletic Foundation
1915 Illinois Helms Athletic Foundation
1916 Utah
Wisconsin AAU tournament
Helms Athletic Foundation
1917 Washington State Helms Athletic Foundation
1918 Syracuse Helms Athletic Foundation
1920 New York University
Pennsylvania AAU tournament
National Championship Playoff
1922 Wabash
Kansas First National Collegiate Championship Tournament
Helms Athletic Foundation
1923 Kansas Helms Athletic Foundation
1924 North Carolina
Butler Helms Athletic Foundation
AAU tournament
1925 Princeton
Washburn Helms Athletic Foundation
AAU tournament
1926 Syracuse Helms Athletic Foundation
1927 Notre Dame Helms Athletic Foundation
1928 Pittsburgh Helms Athletic Foundation
1929 Butler
Montana State Veteran Athletes of Philadelphia
Helms Athletic Foundation
1930 Pittsburgh[50] Naismith Basketball HOF Championship Game, Helms Athletic Foundation
1931 Northwestern Helms Athletic Foundation
1932 Purdue Helms Athletic Foundation
1934 Wyoming Helms Athletic Foundation
1935 LSU[51] American Legion Bowl Game
1936 Notre Dame Helms Athletic Foundation
1937 Stanford Helms Athletic Foundation
1938 Temple Helms Athletic Foundation, NIT
 
TownesVanZandt said:
The NIT Championship itself was considered a more significant championship. If he feels like that means they are a NC that is on him.

That was his point....

Never called it a NCAA NC.

You started saying that WVU didn't claim these NIT Championships.
That isn't true.


Don't see a reason to continue to attack CFE because the Shitbirds do...

You are doing their work for them.
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Not attacking just proved you both wrong but you refuse to accept it. Continue with your fantasy and not fact. Another fact is you attack when proven wrong.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
Not attacking just proved you both wrong but you refuse to accept it. Continue with your fantasy and not fact. Another fact is you attack when proven wrong.
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You only proved they didn't win the NCAA NC..

No one said they did.

It is like simple things confuse you.

According to CFE
WV won the NIT
NIT was seen as the #1 tournament
Therefore WV was the best team in the country

Not agreeing with him or not but it has standing.

Using a NCAA site. Of course the NCAA would shit on it because they were trying to kill the NIT.
Took them awhile to do so.

That NIT Championship is enough
 
TownesVanZandt said:
You only.proved they didn't win the NCAA NC..

No one said they did.

It is like simple things confuse you.

According to CFE
WV won the NIT
NIT was seen as the #1 tournament
There WV was the best team in the country

Not agreeing with him or not but it has standing.

Using a NCAA site. Of course the NCAA would shit on it because they were trying to kill the NIT.
Took them awhile to do so.
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It's apparent you can't READ!

Quote: WVU's 1942 NIT title was recognized as THE national title that year. If you read my post, NCAA was nothing in 1942.

Quote: WVU won its ONLY national basketball title in 1942, when the NIT was THE national title.

Quote: why can’t this be the year that WVU wins its second true national title?

Put your pathetic selves out of misery and end the charade already.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
It's apparent you can't READ!

Quote: WVU's 1942 NIT title was recognized as THE national title that year. If you read my post, NCAA was nothing in 1942.

Quote: WVU won its ONLY national basketball title in 1942, when the NIT was THE national title.

Quote: why can’t this be the year that WVU wins its second true national title?

Put your pathetic selves out of misery and end the charade already.
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In New York it probably was.

If I was a WVU historian I could go back and look at the newspapers.

I am not.
You probably would find articles claiming them the NC because of the NIT
 
I don't have the time...

But you have to look at the newspapers and NYC media.

I am pretty sure the NIT Championship was considered a much bigger deal.

Doesn't matter what we think now.
Matters what they thought in 1942
 
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The 1941–42 season had barely gotten under way when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec.7 and pulled the United States into World War II. Over the next four years the game would take on a leaner, younger look as older players left for the service, travel was restricted and many schools, unable to field a squad, would be forced to cancel schedules.

Long Island, 24–3 during the regular season, was heavily favored to win its third NIT in five years, but the Blackbirds were ousted in the first round by West Virginia. The Mountaineers, 19–4 coming into the tourney, beat LIU in overtime, then knocked off Toledo and nipped Western Kentucky in the last 20 seconds to win the title. Rudy Baric scored 17 in the final for WVU and was named MVP.

There were Indians everywhere you looked in the NCAA championship game, as Stanford took on Dartmouth in Kansas City. Both teams had to win conference playoffs to qualify for the tournament. Stanford, led by Howie Dallmar's 15 points, won the NCAA title, 53–38.

Speaking of Stanford, Hank Luisetti's career scoring record of 1596 points was eclipsed during the season by Rhode Island State's Stan Modzelewski.

How many times do I have to kick your chops and put my foot up your ass.
 
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What are you trying to prove there..

It was already documented the NIT had a much larger auidence

The question is what game received more media attention.

That post doesn't prove either way
 
TownesVanZandt said:
I don't have the time...

But you have to look at the newspapers and NYC media.

I am pretty sure the NIT Championship was considered a much bigger deal.

Doesn't matter what we think now.
Matters what they thought in 1942
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Yes it was considered bigger but was never considered to be for the national title except in 1939 when Temple was crowned National champs.. Continue your education or at least try to get out of the 7th grade.

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WVUALLEN said:
Yes it was considered bigger but was never considered to be for the national title except in 1939 when Temple was crowned National champs.. Continue your education or at least try to get out of the 7th grade.

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According to the NCAA...

Obviously they are going to give a NCAA championship to their tournament winner.

This was never in debate.


What is the debate is if WVU was consider the best team in CBB in 1942 when it happened
 
TownesVanZandt said:
What are you trying to prove there..

It was already documented the NIT had a much larger auidence

The question is what game received more media attention.

That post doesn't prove either way
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You claim CFE was not talking about National title when the clown actually was. You wanted to back up your boy toy and failed. You then switched gears and tried claiming something different hanging your boy toy out to dry. You failed troll bitch.

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You have anymore GIFs.
They aren't helping you here.

You have been proven wrong. No one is talking about NCAA Championships.

The NCAA wasn't important.
The NIT was. Like I said the only thing that matters is who did the country in 1942 felt was the NC.
 
The NIT had a much bigger name...

So therefore WVU was consider the best team just like the Super Bowl winner

NIT was the Super Bowl

This was his point
 
TownesVanZandt said:
You have anymore GIFs.
They aren't helping you here.

You have been proven wrong. No one is talking about NCAA Championships.

The NCAA wasn't important.
The NIT was. Like I said the only thing that matters is who did the country in 1942 felt was the NC.
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Read your alter profile post. Oh wait you probably you can't read.
 
TownesVanZandt said:
http://www.sportshistoryweekly.com/stories/march-madness-ncaa-nit-college-basketball,697

Hosting its games at New York City’s prestigious Madison Square Garden (MSG), the National Invitation Tournament (NIT) was historically a more glamorous basketball event than the NCAA’s post-season tourney known today as 'March Madness'. Though, by the 1970’s, that hierarchy would flip and the NIT would drop to second class status.

Founded in 1938 by the Metropolitan Basketball Writers Association, the NIT held its championships at “The Garden”, the Mecca of college basketball in the 1930’s and 1940’s and the country’s premier venue for showcasing and recruiting basketball talent.

The 18,000+ seats at MSG filled up with nightly double and triple-headers that generated windfall gate receipts for the arena and for the teams. The NIT’s success inspired the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) to launch their own post-season contest in the American heartland.

Spearheaded by Harold Olsen, head coach at Ohio State University, eight teams representing eight national regions took to the court on March 17, 1939. With 5,000 fans in attendance at the Final in Northwestern’s Patten Gymnasium, the Oregon Webfoots defeated Olsen’s Buckeye’s 46-33 to hoist the competition’s first trophy.

Though many of the seats were given away and the tournament lost $2,500, the NABC felt confident that their collegiate championship had great potential to become a preeminent sporting attraction.

The second year saw the Indiana Hoosiers prevail over the Kansas Jayhawks 60-42. No longer in the red, the series now showed a profit of $9,500 and the NABC handed over the administration of the games to the NCAA. The battle lines between the NCAA and the NIT were drawn.

But next to the NIT, the NCAA still fell short on attendance and earnings. In New York, schools were compensated for their expenses and given a large percentage of the tournament profits. Meanwhile, the NCAA could barely meet the costs of its invitees.

The winner of the NIT was also generally regarded as the “true” national champion. Local schools like St. John’s, NYU, LIU and City College of NY (CCNY) had produced many of the top players, coaches and teams in the early decades of college basketball.

But that test came in 1943 when the NCAA moved its East Regional and the Final to MSG. A year earlier, an official close to the Red Cross had also suggested that the NIT and NCAA go head-to-head for a national championship. The Red Cross at the time was deeply involved in charity games to raise funds for the war effort.

On April 1, 1943, 18,000 fans packed MSG to watch the NCAA winner, Wyoming, defeat its NIT counterpart, St. John’s. The NCAA would win two more of these faceoffs and reign supreme in three of the Red Cross “mythical national championships”.

Money and prestige kept the NCAA in New York until revelations emerged of game-fixing activities and mob influence. In 1951, authorities uncovered a point-shaving scandal that went back years and which involved mostly, but not exclusively, New York area schools.

The NIT’s reputation was badly damaged and the NCAA decided to abandon ‘Gotham’, forever stripping New York of hosting an NCAA Final. The following year, the collegiate association also doubled its field from 8 to 16 teams and implemented a new policy that widened the invitations to include not just automatic champions, but at-large bids and “also-rans” (conference losers).

Representing an increasing number of university athletic departments, the NCAA grew in influence and was able to dictate stricter terms to its participants and independents. It also ran negative campaigns disparaging the big-city, off-campus, privately-run model of the NIT.

By the early 1960’s, the NCAA had outmaneuvered its rival for first dibs in invitations. The NIT was left powerless and even if teams refused to abide by the arrangements and opted for the NIT, they risked being sanctioned or reprimanded by the NCAA.

Relegated to the NIT after being denied a post-season berth at the national collegiate championship, North Carolina State University’s David Thompson referred to the NIT in 1975 as “a loser’s tournament”. The label stuck and over time, it became euphemistically branded as the ‘consolation’ tournament.

Even court battles couldn’t hold back the NCAA juggernaut, which was increasingly fueled by the popularity of ‘March Madness’ and lucrative prime-time television contracts that the NIT lacked. By 2005, the decades-old battle between the two tournament associations was over when the NCAA settled all litigation and took over the NIT.
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^^^^^^aaaaaahahahahahaha!!!^^^^^^

the kicker is I didn’t read one word of your crap post.
 
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