Do any deniers care about the Federal report on Climate Change?

[Boomboom521]

Listen boom I don't deny for one moment that a lot of scientists are convinced of man-made global warming. You seem to suggest that any resistance to that understanding of man's interaction on our climate is non-scientific. Not even debatable.

As I said there are many scientists who look at the same data and are not convinced and remain skeptical of man's ability to heat the planet. Why are they all wrong and only you who believe in man-made global warming are correct?

Name one scientist not on the payroll of big oil or a company dependent on burning fossil fuels

And it’s obvious in the science. Even the “evidence” you’ve presented in your feeble attempts to refute CP’s positions are snapshots of the data that fails to tell the entire story.....the entire story is very clear about 2 things: 1) the earth is warming at rates never seen innreseaarchable history and 2) the warming coincides with the burning of fossil fuels

 

[CpEER]

Do people actually sell trucks or do people buy trucks?

Seems to me that people just buy trucks. Nobody sells them. If nobody was buying a truck, then trucks would never be bought or sold. I don’t think that truck salesmen actually exist. The evidence isn’t there to convince me.

 

[atlkvb]

Do people actually sell trucks or do people buy trucks?

Seems to me that people just buy trucks. Nobody sells them. If nobody was buying a truck, then trucks would never be bought or sold. I don’t think that truck salesmen actually exist. The evidence isn’t there to convince me.

Actually neither... consumers choose to purchase them. I'm really not even needed in the transaction but I facilitate the purchase.

 

[CpEER]

Where does the money come from when somebody buys the truck? It comes from the buyer. The truck seller is just there generating no money.

I’m convinced that truck salesmen do not exist now.

 

[CpEER]

Actually neither consumers choose to purchase them. I'm really not even needed in the transaction but I helped facilitate the purchase.

You don’t exist. Without the money from the truck buyer, there is no transaction and therefore no you.

 

[CpEER]

How many truck salesmen would there be if there was no money?

None. Facts.

 

[atlkvb]

Name one scientist not on the payroll of big oil or a company dependent on burning fossil fuels

And it’s obvious in the science. Even the “evidence” you’ve presented in your feeble attempts to refute CP’s positions are snapshots of the data that fails to tell the entire story.....the entire story is very clear about 2 things: 1) the earth is warming at rates never seen innreseaarchable history and 2) the warming coincides with the burning of fossil fuels

If it were obvious there would be no debate. The people who first initiated this issue called it global warming, then about 25 to 30 years into it changed the name to climate change. I'm not going to get into a debate over why the name was changed but the fact remains the claims they made 50 years ago were not born out by the data that was collected since the claims were initiated.

To challenge the assumption that humans are heating the globe right now is almost sacrilege. Yet the irony to me at least in the debate is no one seems to be able to explain exactly how we cool the planet off if we're so easily capable of heating it up?

The planet cools on its own and there's nothing humans can do about that. It also heats on its own and there is very little humans can do about that.

So where are we in the debate? We have roughly half the people convinced humans have control over how the planet is heated and cooled and half those convinced humans do not have that power and control over the planet.

Essentially right where we began.

 

[CpEER]

If it were obvious there would be no debate. The people who first initiated this issue called it global warming, then about 25 to 30 years into it changed the name to climate change. I'm not going to get into a debate over why the name was changed but the fact remains the claims they made 50 years ago were not born out by the data that was collected since the claims were initiated.

To challenge the assumption that humans are heating the globe right now is almost sacrilege. Yet the irony to me at least in the debate is no one seems to be able to explain exactly how we cool the planet off if we're so easily capable of heating it up?

The planet cools on its own and there's nothing humans can do about that. It also heats on its own and there is very little humans can do about that.

So where are we in the debate? We have roughly half the people convinced humans have control over how the planet is heated and cooled and half those convinced humans do not have that power and control over the planet.

Essentially right where we began.

A 50/50 split? Source please.

 

[atlkvb]

You don’t exist. Without the money from the truck buyer, there is no transaction and therefore no you.

I'm not needed in the transaction, I do exist.
There are plenty of folks who are capable of purchasing a vehicle without my assistance.
However what I do is enhance their purchasing experience by explaining features and benefits and allowing them to better understand the value behind their purchase.

 

[CpEER]

atl do you shut your oven door when you are baking something?

 

[CpEER]

I'm not needed in the transaction, I do exist.
There are plenty of folks who are capable of purchasing a vehicle without my assistance.
However what I do is enhance their purchasing experience by explaining features and benefits and allowing them to better understand the value behind their purchase.

I remain unconvinced. Without the buyer with money there is no you. You play no role. You don’t exist.

 

[atlkvb]

A 50/50 split? Source please.

I'm speaking in more general terms I don't have an exact breakdown on those who support or deny man-made global warming.

I can try and find it but it's difficult to sift through all of the bias that's out there in favor of man-made global warming.

It's like Socialism most of the information you look up on the Internet about it is favorable but the historical record of it is a abject failure.

 

[CpEER]

I'm speaking in more general terms I don't have an exact breakdown on those who support or deny man-made global warming.

I can try and find it but it's difficult to sift through all of the bias that's out there in favor of man-made global warming.

It's like Socialism most of the information you look up on the Internet about it is favorable but the historical record of it is a abject failure.

So you just pulled 50/50 out of your ass. Got it.

Answer my question about your oven please.

 

[MountaineerWV]

So you just pulled 50/50 out of your ass. Got it.

Answer my question about your oven please.

Kind of amazed that WVU82 hasn't come in and gotten the save in this thread with numerous tweets about unrelated subjects.......wonder why?

 

[Boomboom521]

If it were obvious there would be no debate. The people who first initiated this issue called it global warming, then about 25 to 30 years into it changed the name to climate change. I'm not going to get into a debate over why the name was changed but the fact remains the claims they made 50 years ago were not born out by the data that was collected since the claims were initiated.

To challenge the assumption that humans are heating the globe right now is almost sacrilege. Yet the irony to me at least in the debate is no one seems to be able to explain exactly how we cool the planet off if we're so easily capable of heating it up?

The planet cools on its own and there's nothing humans can do about that. It also heats on its own and there is very little humans can do about that.

So where are we in the debate? We have roughly half the people convinced humans have control over how the planet is heated and cooled and half those convinced humans do not have that power and control over the planet.

Essentially right where we began.

Due to ignorance. And it’s nowhere near 50–50, that’s just your delusion spilling over into reality, Chubbs.

There are people that debate the moon landing, whether the Earth is flat, and if Rich Rodriguez should be rehired. Keep being ignorant off you want, your choice.

At this point, I’m more curious about what your motivation is for remaining ignorant on this subject. Is it as simple as your profession, and the fear of losing potential $$$$? Is it the fear the Democratic politics might have some legitimate agenda that your beloved GOP hasn’t cornered yet? Is it your belief in God’s gracious glory never allowing man to destroy the Earth that was made for him? Is it your Trumpy loyalism?

All I know, is that your ignorance on this issue doesn’t stop you from feeling absolutely confident in your weak position, and that tells me all I need to know about you as a person.

 

[atlkvb]

atl do you shut your oven door when you are baking something?

After I turn the oven on yes I shut the door.

 

[CpEER]

After I turn the oven on yes I shut the door.

Why?

 

[atlkvb]

Due to ignorance. And it’s nowhere near 50–50, that’s just your delusion spilling over into reality, Chubbs.

There are people that debate the moon landing, whether the Earth is flat, and if Rich Rodriguez should be rehired. Keep being ignorant off you want, your choice.

At this point, I’m more curious about what your motivation is for remaining ignorant on this subject. Is it as simple as your profession, and the fear of losing potential $$$$? Is it the fear the Democratic politics might have some legitimate agenda that your beloved GOP hasn’t cornered yet? Is it your belief in God’s gracious glory never allowing man to destroy the Earth that was made for him? Is it your Trumpy loyalism?

All I know, is that your ignorance on this issue doesn’t stop you from feeling absolutely confident in your weak position, and that tells me all I need to know about you as a person.

Your arrogance is equal to my ignorance.

You complained about how much I don't know and I offered you alternative information yesterday that you even refused to read. So how can you be so sure of what you know if you don't examine all the facts?

I'm more willing to look at data suggesting man-made global warming than you are willing to look at data suggesting it is not happening because of man. So who really has their head stuck in the sand?

You have this tendency to constantly lecture while pretending as if you're the only one who is open-minded when in fact you are just a pompous ass.

 

[atlkvb]

Why?

I close the door so the item can bake at the desired temperature I preset. I leave it in until it is done baking at that desire temperature then I turn the oven off open the door and take it out.

 

[CpEER]

I close the door so the item can bake at the desired temperature I preset. I leave it in until it is done baking at that desire temperature then I turn the oven off open the door and take it out.

But what would happen if you opened the door while it baked?

Edit: I’m saying your answer doesn’t explain why you shut the door.

 

[atlkvb]

But what would happen if you opened the door while it baked?

Edit: I’m saying your answer doesn’t explain why you shut the door.

I shut the door to hold the heat in so it'll bake more efficiently.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

But what would happen if you opened the door while it baked?

Edit: I’m saying your answer doesn’t explain why you shut the door.

It would take longer?

 

[atlkvb]

It would take longer?

True it would take longer but it would still bake. I often Grill meat outside which I could easily bake in the oven too.

The reason I cook it outside is because it actually tastes better being grilled against the air than it would if it were simply baked inside a confined oven. It simply depends on what you're trying to accomplish by your heating method.

 

[CpEER]

I shut the door to hold the heat in so it'll bake more efficiently.

Great!! I think we might be getting somewhere. Stay with me.

What if your oven door was leaky. And I gave you some spray to place around the edges of your oven door to make sure it would seal up better.

Let’s call this spray....GG.

I have tons of evidence showing yo that this GG spray works. It’s recommended by people around the globe who bake food for a living. You’ve actually seen it work firsthand.

Would you think this product is legit?

 

[atlkvb]

Great!! I think we might be getting somewhere. Stay with me.

What if your oven door was leaky. And I gave you some spray to place around the edges of your oven door to make sure it would seal up better.

Let’s call this spray....GG.

I have tons of evidence showing yo that this GG spray works. It’s recommended by people around the globe who bake food for a living. You’ve actually seen it work firsthand.

Would you think this product is legit?

No I'd just go buy a new oven

 

[CpEER]

No I just go buy a new oven

This is the only oven that works. The next closest oven is lightyears away and there might be people baking there already....and they might have laser guns.


Seriously though, stay with me.

If we agree the product is legit. But I gave you a warning. Don’t use too much of this GG spray. Because too much could possibly make your oven too efficient by sealing it up too much. Your oven would get a few degrees hotter and it would burn your food.

Are you still following?

 

[Boomboom521]

Your arrogance is equal to my ignorance.

You complained about how much I don't know and I offered you alternative information yesterday that you even refused to read. So how can you be so sure of what you know if you don't examine all the facts?

I'm more willing to look at data suggesting man-made global warming than you are willing to look at data suggesting it is not happening because of man. So who really has their head stuck in the sand?

You have this tendency to constantly lecture while pretending as if you're the only one who is open-minded when in fact you are just a pompous ass.

I said I had already read the Forbes piece. You have no idea what I read or why. You just assume I haven’t examined claims made by Bell, Dyson, Patterson, Singer, etc.....because it’s actually YOU that are pompous and arrogant enough to think they know about others without asking. At least I’m curious as to your motivation, not telling you what it is already.

 

[atlkvb]

This is the only oven that works. The next closest oven is lightyears away and there might be people baking there already....and they might have laser guns.


Seriously though, stay with me.

If we agree the product is legit. But I gave you a warning. Don’t use too much of this GG spray. Because too much could possibly make your oven too efficient by sealing it up too much. Your oven would get a few degrees hotter and it would burn your food.

Are you still following?

No, you lost me after there's no other oven available. Analogies have to work when you include all variables. You are excluding the most obvious one in your attempt to prove something I'm not sure of but in this particular case as I said I would just go buy another oven and be done with it.

 

[Boomboom521]

I said I had already read the Forbes piece. You have no idea what I read or why. You just assume I haven’t examined claims made by Bell, Dyson, Patterson, Singer, etc.....because it’s actually YOU that are pompous and arrogant enough to think they know about others without asking. At least I’m curious as to your motivation, not telling you what it is already.

Your ignorance on this subject has clearly been illustrated in the 15 pages of this post

 

[atlkvb]

I said I had already read the Forbes piece. You have no idea what I read or why. You just assume I haven’t examined claims made by Bell, Dyson, Patterson, Singer, etc.....because it’s actually YOU that are pompous and arrogant enough to think they know about others without asking. At least I’m curious as to your motivation, not telling you what it is already.

My motivation is Truth what's yours relativist Utopia?

 

[atlkvb]

Your ignorance on this subject has clearly been illustrated in the 15 pages of this post

More opinion not scientific fact. Your arrogance is also on full display throughout the 15 pages. Scientific fact not opinion.

 

[Boomboom521]

My motivation is Truth what's yours relativist Utopia?

For this debate? Combating ignorance.

 

[atlkvb]

For this debate? Combating ignorance.

For this scrum confirming relativistic thought buttressed by incalculable myopia supported by unlimited arrogance. Who was arguing humans have more power to heat the earth than the Sun? The boomer King!

 

[TarHeelEer]

OT: I've found more admin tools in the last few days than I knew existed. For instance, I just found the lock thread tool.

 

[atlkvb]

OT: I've found more admin tools in the last few days than I knew existed. For instance, I just found the lock thread tool.

Shut it down should have ended 10 pages ago.

 

[Boomboom521]

For this scrum confirming relativistic thought buttressed by incalculable myopia supported by unlimited arrogance.

Sure Chubby brain, sure.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Should have ended after your first post in this thread......

 

[CpEER]

No, you lost me after there's no other oven available. Analogies have to work when you include all variables. You are excluding the most obvious one in your attempt to prove something I'm not sure of but in this particular case as I said I would just go buy another oven and be done with it.

I’m trying to make you understand how both the sun AND the atmosphere are responsible for the temperature on earth. I’m tired of seeing you blame it all on the sun and act like there is nothing that can be done.

Earth = oven
Atmosphere = oven door
Greenhouse Gases = GG spray
Sun = flame (gas oven)
Humans = food

I wanted to finally get you to understand that while sun is generating all the heat...how that heat leaks out of our atmosphere or is trapped within is what we are talking about when we talk about global warming.

Fact: greenhouse gases do trap heat in our atmosphere

Fact: humans have been attributed to an increase in greenhouse gases

We’ve sprayed too much GG spray. We are making our oven too efficient. We only have one oven.


Does any of this help at all?

 

[Keyser76]

For this scrum confirming relativistic thought buttressed by incalculable myopia supported by unlimited arrogance. Who was arguing humans have more power to heat the earth than the Sun? The boomer King!

I'd love to see what you ass hats would say if Trump suddenly bought into Science, I doubt he even read the report.

 

[CpEER]

For this scrum confirming relativistic thought buttressed by incalculable myopia supported by unlimited arrogance. Who was arguing humans have more power to heat the earth than the Sun? The boomer King!

This is exactly what I’m talking about. This makes my head hurt.