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Could the P12(10) be more secure than the B12?

Hopefully allen will give us his opinion on it....god knows he has on everything else today.

So more eyes were on Texas and OU? Of course they were. UCLA has had one winning season in the last six....who nationally was watching the Bruins? USC hasn't won more than 8 games in the last four years.
 
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Can't imagine the Ducks having > ratings than BYU.
Once we add (the states of) Ohio & Florida to the B12 footprint then we should be comparable to the P12.
Our best hope is the Bearcats to keep qualifying for the for the pigskin final 4.
That just has to bring enough value to the B12 to be = or > P12 once the media rights deals are signed.
 
WVUALLEN said:
Not likely.
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If the Bearcats &/or any (remaining) B12 teams always have more teams in the top 10 than the P12 have, more team(s) in the top 5 with the P12 having none & always have a team (including the Bearcats) in the pigskin final 4 with the P12 always none, all happening until both media rights are signed, then the B12 HAS to fetch > $/team than the P12 will.
That has to be our best hope anyway.
 
It won’t go over well with Buckaineer because the numbers are “fudged”. TV executives haven’t said the only ratings that matter are those over 1 million viewers. People skewing the numbers have said that. When you add ALL the real tv numbers together BIG 12 schools TV ratings are AHEAD of most PAC schools.
 
Here is an example of what real TV executives will see. Let's compare the BIG 12 CCG v. the PAC 12 CCG from 2021:

B12 CCG:
BAYLOR/OK STATE RTNG 4.8 VWRS 8.021M noon ABC

P12 CCG:
Utah/Ore RTNG 2.5 VWRS 4.247M 8:00p ABC

Now, which one of these will impress the TV executives more do you honestly think?
 
Buckaineer said:
It won’t go over well with Buckaineer because the numbers are “fudged”. TV executives haven’t said the only ratings that matter are those over 1 million viewers. People skewing the numbers have said that. When you add ALL the real tv numbers together BIG 12 schools TV ratings are AHEAD of most PAC schools.
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You’re so predictable lol
 
There is so much misunderstanding when these media and team payouts are projected/announced. For example, the ACC paid out $36.1 million to each team last year. Of that total, approximately $26 million was television money and the other $10 million came from NCAA basketball tournament credits, bowls, etc.

Thus, when it was reported that ESPN's offer to the PAC 12 was $24 million, it does not mean that it what the conference team payouts are going to be. The final payout will likely be close to the ACC with an additional $10 million in basketball credits, bowls, etc. for a total of around $34 million per team.

I wish the media would do a better job of differentiating between what is the television/media deal and what is the total conference payouts.
 
Buckaineer said:
It won’t go over well with Buckaineer because the numbers are “fudged”. TV executives haven’t said the only ratings that matter are those over 1 million viewers. People skewing the numbers have said that. When you add ALL the real tv numbers together BIG 12 schools TV ratings are AHEAD of most PAC schools.
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If its what you want to hear than its truth if its not its fudged. Once Texas and Oklahoma leave the big 12's rating will be like the stock market in 1929
 
Tylerite said:
That won’t go over well with Buckaineer
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Buckaineer said:
It won’t go over well with Buckaineer because the numbers are “fudged”. TV executives haven’t said the only ratings that matter are those over 1 million viewers. People skewing the numbers have said that. When you add ALL the real tv numbers together BIG 12 schools TV ratings are AHEAD of most PAC schools.
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Buckaineer won't like this either

www.yahoo.com

Denver Post columnist: Colorado administration differs with fans’ conference realignment hopes

Colorado's administration doesn't seem to be aligned with its fan base when it comes to the school's future conference
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
 
Another phony factor Wilner leaves out--EVERY BIG 12 TEAM PLAYED EVERY BIG 12 TEAM every year.

NOT TRUE in the PAC, so every year their teams didn't play both UCLA and USC, but he fails to mention that skews his numbers in favor of the PAC.
 
Jason Voorhees said:
If its what you want to hear than its truth if its not its fudged. Once Texas and Oklahoma leave the big 12's rating will be like the stock market in 1929
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Real numbers don't lie like you do.

I post FACTS. You post shill bullshit.

No matter. TV executives don't look at shill bullshit, they evaluate REAL NUMBERS and FACTS in negotiations.
 
Buckaineer said:
Real numbers don't lie like you do.

I post FACTS. You post shill bullshit.

No matter. TV executives don't look at shill bullshit, they evaluate REAL NUMBERS and FACTS in negotiations.
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Do you even know what the article is about? Texas and Oklahoma help drive up ratings more for the Big 12 than USC and Ucla do for the Pac 12. Whether you like it or not big 12 ratings will take a hit once these two schools are gone.
 
Jason Voorhees said:
Do you even know what the article is about? Texas and Oklahoma help drive up ratings more for the Big 12 than USC and Ucla do for the Pac 12. Whether you like it or not big 12 ratings will take a hit once these two schools are gone.
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Do you know what the article is about? He is trying to pretend PAC 12 schools rated higher than BIG 12 schools because Texas and OU were far bigger tv draws than USC and UCLA.

To make his already flawed case he SKEWS the numbers by eliminating the lower rated games (under 1 mil viewers), Doesn't mention that every BIG 12 team played both Texas and OU each year while almost none of the PAC schools played USC or UCLA each year. Also leaves out that some of the PAC schools games aren't rated each year because they are on the PAC network and rated so low they don't count, while only one game from BIG 12 schools was NOT rated on a national platform.

But again, tv executives and negotiators will see all of this such as that when Baylor and OK State played in last years CCG, they rated 4 million viewers MORE than the PAC 12 CCG which didn't include either USC or UCLA. And in a NOON game to boot. They'll also evaluate ALL tv numbers along with many other things. And we already know that experts in the field predict the BIG 12 will be at a much higher $$ figure than the PAC will when its said and done--something you conveniently leave out for your shill bosses to try to put down the BIG 12.

Stop lying about the BIG 12 in an effort to make your dying conference look better.
 
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And as some mention above--look at last year and the final ratings of schools that will be in the BIG 12 and MAY be in the PAC:

#4 Cincinnati--in four team playoff, lost to champ Alabama
#5 Baylor --beat OU, beat UT, beat Ole Miss in Sugar
#7 OK State--beat Notre Dame in Fiesta
#12 Utah--lost to tOSU in Rose
#17 Houston--beat Auburn in bowl
#19 BYU--beat all 5 PAC schools played including top 2 Utah and USC
#22 Oregon--Lost to OU in Alamo

No playoff for the PAC for the ?th year running?

Now again, honestly, which of these looks to be the more valuable?
 
Buckaineer said:
And as some mention above--look at last year and the final ratings of schools that will be in the BIG 12 and MAY be in the PAC:

#4 Cincinnati--in four team playoff, lost to champ Alabama
#5 Baylor --beat OU, beat UT, beat Ole Miss in Sugar
#7 OK State--beat Notre Dame in Fiesta
#12 Utah--lost to tOSU in Rose
#17 Houston--beat Auburn in bowl
#19 BYU--beat all 5 PAC schools played including top 2 Utah and USC
#22 Oregon--Lost to OU in Alamo

No playoff for the PAC for the ?th year running?

Now again, honestly, which of these looks to be the more valuable?
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Only Oklahoma State and Oregon
 
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Do you know what the article is about? He is trying to pretend PAC 12 schools rated higher than BIG 12 schools because Texas and OU were far bigger tv draws than USC and UCLA.

To make his already flawed case he SKEWS the numbers by eliminating the lower rated games (under 1 mil viewers), Doesn't mention that every BIG 12 team played both Texas and OU each year while almost none of the PAC schools played USC or UCLA each year. Also leaves out that some of the PAC schools games aren't rated each year because they are on the PAC network and rated so low they don't count, while only one game from BIG 12 schools was NOT rated on a national platform.

But again, tv executives and negotiators will see all of this such as that when Baylor and OK State played in last years CCG, they rated 4 million viewers MORE than the PAC 12 CCG which didn't include either USC or UCLA. And in a NOON game to boot. They'll also evaluate ALL tv numbers along with many other things. And we already know that experts in the field predict the BIG 12 will be at a much higher $$ figure than the PAC will when its said and done--something you conveniently leave out for your shill bosses to try to put down the BIG 12.

Stop lying about the BIG 12 in an effort to make your dying conference look better.
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Texas and Oklahoma mean more to the big 12 then usc and ucla mean to the Pac 12. When you take out Texas and Oklahoma when was the last time a Big 12 team played for a national championship?
 
Buckaineer said:
Do you know what the article is about? He is trying to pretend PAC 12 schools rated higher than BIG 12 schools because Texas and OU were far bigger tv draws than USC and UCLA.

To make his already flawed case he SKEWS the numbers by eliminating the lower rated games (under 1 mil viewers), Doesn't mention that every BIG 12 team played both Texas and OU each year while almost none of the PAC schools played USC or UCLA each year. Also leaves out that some of the PAC schools games aren't rated each year because they are on the PAC network and rated so low they don't count, while only one game from BIG 12 schools was NOT rated on a national platform.

But again, tv executives and negotiators will see all of this such as that when Baylor and OK State played in last years CCG, they rated 4 million viewers MORE than the PAC 12 CCG which didn't include either USC or UCLA. And in a NOON game to boot. They'll also evaluate ALL tv numbers along with many other things. And we already know that experts in the field predict the BIG 12 will be at a much higher $$ figure than the PAC will when its said and done--something you conveniently leave out for your shill bosses to try to put down the BIG 12.

Stop lying about the BIG 12 in an effort to make your dying conference look better.
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Buck how come you have nothing to say about this statement from the admin at Colorado?

The administration at CU views the Big 12 as a JUCO league. They don’t want to be in that
 
Jason Voorhees said:
Buck how come you have nothing to say about this statement from the admin at Colorado?

The administration at CU views the Big 12 as a JUCO league. They don’t want to be in that
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That comment DID NOT come from the administration at Colorado, it came from a wanna be sports journalist being interviewed on the 365 radio podcast giving HIS OPINION of what CU administrators think.

Made up bunk being used as propaganda. Why didn’t you post THE SOURCE of the comment? Facts matter.
 

Need more opinion anti BIG 12 shills? Here’s one that makes sense and matters:​

Opinion: Pac 12 Schools Will Still End Up in Big XII​

Despite negotiations stalling, Pac 12 schools will head to Big XII.
www.si.com

Opinion: Pac 12 Schools Will Still End Up in Big XII

Despite negotiations stalling, Pac 12 schools will head to Big XII.
www.si.com www.si.com

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Regardless of the two conferences aligning or just a few schools heading to the Big XII, there’s too much money to lose to not continue negotiations.

As in, at least a few of Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State are coming to the Big XII. There’s still one primary force and it’s no surprise.


The money. That’s where this starts. All of the money involved will bring the Pac 12 and Big XII back together at the bargaining table at some point.
 
Of course, right now, the BIG 12 HAS NOT offered Colorado a lifeline out of the PAC 12.

All we know as fact is that the BIG 12 backed out of negotiations- pushed heavily from the PAC side hoping two leagues intact could merge.

Reports said that BIG 12 administrators had concerns of the value some PAC schools would bring to them and they wouldn’t do anything to dilute the BIG 12s revenues for the sake of just adding. It’s possible the BIG 12 is only interested in some PAC schools such as say Washington, Oregon, Arizona, ASU— we don’t and won’t know until things move along none of which will happen until later.

What is happening right now is the PAC is in media rights negotiations and want to try to boost the value of their conference—seems Wilner is trying to help that out with a bit of twisting of the facts to fit his narrative— which goes from the BIG 12 should add the entire PAC 12 to the BIG 12 should still take all but Oregon state and Wazzou to now an attempt to make the lower paid PAC seem more valuable?
 
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It could take months. The P12 expects to take its rights to the market, ESPN likely to make low offer right now (bidding vs itself) and unlikely anything will happen until the B10 signs its contract and we know which TV partners are in and whether Notre Dame is/isn’t involved
 
There are many WVU bashers who pay to slam WVU and anything associated with it here. They justify it by calling themselves realists regarding the future. When men plan, God laughs. Not necessarily referring to present company.

For the original question, they could be but they aren't.

If you dig further into that 'study' it was done by two prominent sports guys who happen to live or are from the left coast and they included many more major broadcasts for the PAC than the B12. We're talking about including ESPNU and ESPN+ games being in the mix. It was in the neighborhood of 46% of the B12 games and 28% of the PAC. Those pesky little details.

Never allow the facts to skewer the 'truth' and never waste a good crisis.
 
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Reason Big 12 wants 6 PAC is because it destroys the PAC and likely ends them as a so called power. How much would that bring new Big 12? Not as much as SEC or B1G, but it brings them some big money.
 
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Buckaineer said:
That comment DID NOT come from the administration at Colorado, it came from a wanna be sports journalist being interviewed on the 365 radio podcast giving HIS OPINION of what CU administrators think.

Made up bunk being used as propaganda. Why didn’t you post THE SOURCE of the comment? Facts matter.
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The writer who made that comment works for the Denver post fool. Anytime something gets printed that you don't like its all of a sudden from a wanna be sportswriter. The majority of the junk you quote comes from wanna be sportswriters that are just stating opinion not fact. Maybe you should learn the difference fool.
 
The money the PAC 12 won't be getting would be shifted toward the Big 12. I wouldn't believe anything ND says but if they are getting the Big 12 some games that will also help. It won't be SEC/B10 money but it will be vastly better than Pac12 and ACC, which will further drive teams from the ACC.
 
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The comment credited to the University of Colorado CAME FROM A "JOURNALIST's" OPINION of what CU administrators think.

Shilldiots trying to pretend its an actual statement from an actual administrator at CU are LYING.

No one from CU has made such a comment and its pretty laughable to pretend such propaganda means anything or has any effect.

What does make a difference is MONEY. And the PAC is not likely to be paid nearly as much as the BIG 12 will (nor are they likely to keep all members.)
 
Buckaineer said:
The comment credited to the University of Colorado CAME FROM A "JOURNALIST's" OPINION of what CU administrators think.

Shilldiots trying to pretend its an actual statement from an actual administrator at CU are LYING.

No one from CU has made such a comment and its pretty laughable to pretend such propaganda means anything or has any effect.

What does make a difference is MONEY. And the PAC is not likely to be paid nearly as much as the BIG 12 will (nor are they likely to keep all members.)
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The Denver post never advocated for anything as you claim. It was only opinion writers working for them. You were called out in another thread for making these bs type statements and were asked to name credible sources outside of the dude and beat writers working for Baylor/Colorado. You failed to do so. Its only credible in your mind if it advances your agenda.
 
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The Denver post never advocated for anything as you claim. It was only opinion writers working for them. You were called out in another thread for making these bs type statements and were asked to name credible sources outside of the dude and beat writers working for Baylor/Colorado. You failed to do so. Its only credible in your mind if it advances your agenda.
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True. Colorado would prefer the Big 10 over any conference.
 
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I'd prefer a spaceship over my car. Both have an equal chance of happening.
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Getting back with your ex is awkward, but it might be the best scenario for the Buffs. Likewise, the Buffs’ departure would almost guarantee the Pac-12 would have to look towards the Mountain West to stay alive. Super conferences are coming and CU’s puzzle piece carries some weight.

Buffalo Wire - Jack Carlough
If Colorado stays:

Colorado staying in the Pac-12 would invite an interesting question: Does this mean Utah is staying, too? Are Colorado and Utah going to move together or stay together? Or, could Utah go to the Big Ten while Colorado stays put? The likely answer: CU and Utah would be tethered. That is not, however, a guarantee.
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If Colorado leaves:

If Colorado leaves the Pac-12, that means it will return to the Big 12, which it left over a decade ago to join the Pac-12. Awkward!
Say, who was the athletic director at Colorado when it left the Big 12 for the Pac-12? You might have heard the name before: Mike Bohn.
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Buckaineer said:
Guess some people cant read— straight from sports columnists at the Denver Post

obviously approved for printing by the people running the Denver Post.

www.denverpost.com

Keeler: Get out, CU. If the Big 12 offers Buffs lifeline out of lying, dying Pac-12, they’d be crazy not to take it.

If push came to shove, in six years, Buffs fans, would you rather be in a league with San Diego State, Boise State and Fresno State? Or in a conference with Iowa State, Kansas State, West Virginia …
www.denverpost.com www.denverpost.com
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I guess some people believe message board fodder over actual news. Nobody knows 100% what is actually going to happen. These media so called experts like to use click bait words.
 
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