WVU' future

[Darth_VadEER]

For the sake of comparisons, here is how the conference revenue share numbers stack up so far for the most recent year (Big Ten data is pending);



The ACC distributed about 20 million per school. The Big 12:

Friday afternoon, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby announced that eight of his conference’s schools will received full shares of $27 million each. New-ish members TCU and West Virginia will receive $24 and $23 million apiece, respectively; next year, each of those schools will receive full shares.

Likely our full share next year, with expected growth will be about 27 million. The ACC is expected to be about 22 million.

5 million dollars is real money no doubt, but we would likely have both greater attendance and lesser expenses were we in the ACC.

Generously, the profit difference might be around 3 million a year. That's still real money, but it would be a manageable price to pay for a far better situation for the teams and the fans.

It's not admitting weakness not to be stupid. Obviously, we would have leapt at the ACC if it offered. It didn't and we made the best of the situation considering our actual options, but asserting that the Big 12 was the ideal outcome for us is just stupid.

A $3 million hit one year might be manageable, but over the course of the contract that's big money. What governing board is going to leave $30 million on the table?

Why would attendance be any better in the ACC? Sure we'd have easier road games to attend, but I don't see it making any difference for home attendance. Look at Pitt's ACC home schedule, Virginia, UNC, Louisville, Miami (not one team that's a big draw, unless you consider Miami). I don't think that's any better than what we have now. Clemson/FSU will rarely play in PGH, we get one of Oklahoma/Texas each year, plus top ranked teams.

Pitt had ND too, but that's not always going to be there. In 2016 Pitt's ACC home games are Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse (perhaps not a single Top 25 team?). We have Kansas State, TCU, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Baylor. I assume TCU, Oklahoma and Baylor all to be well ranked teams next year. In 2016 our home games are a much better draw, imo.

If the ACC extended an invitation WVU would have gladly accepted - but they didn't. So what's the fuss about? We landed in a good situation that actually pays us more money. Learn to be happy.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Hypothetically, if we were in the ACC we'd probably get one of Pitt/VT at home each season and that would be our biggest yearly draw. Nice games, but we're definitely not missing out on anything (and both those teams our coming back on our schedule anyways). UNC, GT, Syracuse wouldn't be rolling into Morgantown to fill our stadium.

 

[Buckaineer]

For the sake of comparisons, here is how the conference revenue share numbers stack up so far for the most recent year (Big Ten data is pending);



The ACC distributed about 20 million per school. The Big 12:

Friday afternoon, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby announced that eight of his conference’s schools will received full shares of $27 million each. New-ish members TCU and West Virginia will receive $24 and $23 million apiece, respectively; next year, each of those schools will receive full shares.

Likely our full share next year, with expected growth will be about 27 million. The ACC is expected to be about 22 million.

5 million dollars is real money no doubt, but we would likely have both greater attendance and lesser expenses were we in the ACC.

Generously, the profit difference might be around 3 million a year. That's still real money, but it would be a manageable price to pay for a far better situation for the teams and the fans.

It's not admitting weakness not to be stupid. Obviously, we would have leapt at the ACC if it offered. It didn't and we made the best of the situation considering our actual options, but asserting that the Big 12 was the ideal outcome for us is just stupid.

What you are leaving out is that WVU and the other BIG 12 schools will also receive $3 to $15 million additional revenues for tier 3 television content held by BIG 12 schools.

Now the difference isn't $30 million to $22 million--its $33 or $40 million plus compared to $22 million.
That is a very serious amount of money, which continues for the next decade and ends up being hundreds of millions of dollars more for BIG 12 schools.

By 2027 the ACC schools will be far behind the top three revenue conferences Big Ten, SEC and BIG 12.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

For the sake of comparisons, here is how the conference revenue share numbers stack up so far for the most recent year (Big Ten data is pending);



The ACC distributed about 20 million per school. The Big 12:

Friday afternoon, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby announced that eight of his conference’s schools will received full shares of $27 million each. New-ish members TCU and West Virginia will receive $24 and $23 million apiece, respectively; next year, each of those schools will receive full shares.

Likely our full share next year, with expected growth will be about 27 million. The ACC is expected to be about 22 million.

5 million dollars is real money no doubt, but we would likely have both greater attendance and lesser expenses were we in the ACC.

Generously, the profit difference might be around 3 million a year. That's still real money, but it would be a manageable price to pay for a far better situation for the teams and the fans.

It's not admitting weakness not to be stupid. Obviously, we would have leapt at the ACC if it offered. It didn't and we made the best of the situation considering our actual options, but asserting that the Big 12 was the ideal outcome for us is just stupid.

Low IQ drifter numbers never make any sense ( much like him ). No one but a few low information fans and trolls want be in the ACC, especially the Coastal Division.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Low IQ drifter numbers never make any sense ( much like him ). No one but a few low information fans and trolls want be in the ACC, especially the Coastal Division.

the ACC is boring. Who gets excited for Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia? And frankly I don't think any ACC school should ever be in top 4 playoff. Who knows if Clemson is legit? Who have they played? Overrated ND?

 

[hbeacheer]

The acc top to bottom is lame compared to the other conferences. Why anyone would want to play acc teams compared to our big 12 schedule is mind bottling. Thankfully we don't have to worry about that.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

FSU the year they won the national championship had the lowest sos for a champion in more than a decade.

In their year in the first playoffs, they were rated by everyone well outside of the top ten and well below both Baylor and TCU in the last polls prior to the playoffs and the final polls--and for sos.

Clemson this year beat? A ND team that is supposedly great because they lost by two to ....Clemson.

Other than that they have wins over overhyped Georgia Tech, a narrow win where they gave up huge points to a South Carolina team without its head coach that was just beaten at home by the Citadel?

sorry you are an ACC lover, but outside those two programs the ACC is not regarded well by people involved in the business of college football, and the BIG 12 IS.

It doesn't matter what FSU strength of schedule was at they end of the day the won the national championship. They beat the sec champion. I'm sure they wouldn't have had any problem navigating the big 12 considering the 2013 Big 12 champ was no match for the american conference champion. I'm sure if WVU had won the national championship in 2007 it wouldn't have bothered you one bit the crybaby talk about how we never played anyone in the Big East

 

[LowFatMilk]

Why do people give a shit about likes? I have literally seen people beg for them. Who the F cares?!?!?

I went ahead and gave you a like...so you can quit begging for a bit.

 

[Buckaineer]

It doesn't matter what FSU strength of schedule was at they end of the day the won the national championship. They beat the sec champion. I'm sure they wouldn't have had any problem navigating the big 12 considering the 2013 Big 12 champ was no match for the american conference champion. I'm sure if WVU had won the national championship in 2007 it wouldn't have bothered you one bit the crybaby talk about how we never played anyone in the Big East

And had TCU or Baylor or several other BIG 12 school's been able to play FSU's ACC schedule, they too would have won the national championship and wouldn't have had any trouble navigating the ACC lightweight schedule.

UCF had an excellent team in 2013 with an NFL starting QB at the helm so undoubtedly FSU would have had trouble with them as well. They would have been favored in games against most of the ACC.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

And had TCU or Baylor or several other BIG 12 school's been able to play FSU's ACC schedule, they too would have won the national championship and wouldn't have had any trouble navigating the ACC lightweight schedule.

UCF had an excellent team in 2013 with an NFL starting QB at the helm so undoubtedly FSU would have had trouble with them as well. They would have been favored in games against most of the ACC.

Its unlikely that Baylor could have gotten by Clemson and Auburn. Clemson also beat Ohio state the same year in the Orange. Face it the big 12 was exposed. Couldn't even beat the American conference champion. FSU also had an nfl qb who was playing too and as for TCU i doubt very much hat they could have navigated FSU schedule that year considering they where 4-8 in 2013

 

[skygusty]

For the sake of comparisons, here is how the conference revenue share numbers stack up so far for the most recent year (Big Ten data is pending);



The ACC distributed about 20 million per school. The Big 12:

Friday afternoon, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby announced that eight of his conference’s schools will received full shares of $27 million each. New-ish members TCU and West Virginia will receive $24 and $23 million apiece, respectively; next year, each of those schools will receive full shares.

Likely our full share next year, with expected growth will be about 27 million. The ACC is expected to be about 22 million.

5 million dollars is real money no doubt, but we would likely have both greater attendance and lesser expenses were we in the ACC.

Generously, the profit difference might be around 3 million a year. That's still real money, but it would be a manageable price to pay for a far better situation for the teams and the fans.

It's not admitting weakness not to be stupid. Obviously, we would have leapt at the ACC if it offered. It didn't and we made the best of the situation considering our actual options, but asserting that the Big 12 was the ideal outcome for us is just stupid.

I don't think the ACC would have been the ideal scenario either. The Big 10 would be MORE ideal. Old rivalries with Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers restored, huge game against Ohio State likely every year. Good basketball, great academics, mostly State Schools, more stable than the ACC. SEC would be more ideal than the ACC. Great games against Kentucky,Tennessee, Vanderbilt, S. Carolina and Georgia. Amazing Basketball. The most stable conference in the USA. The thing all 3 conferences have in common? None of them ever invited us. So in some fantasy world, there is some ideal conference. Even the conference of Eastern Schools that never was is another fantasy. We had two REAL possibilities, stay mired in the east in the conference that became the AAC or join the BIG12. Yeah, I'd say the Big 12 was the ideal outcome for us among ACTUAL possibilities.

 

[Buckaineer]

Its unlikely that Baylor could have gotten by Clemson and Auburn. Clemson also beat Ohio state the same year in the Orange. Face it the big 12 was exposed. Couldn't even beat the American conference champion. FSU also had an nfl qb who was playing too and as for TCU i doubt very much hat they could have navigated FSU schedule that year considering they where 4-8 in 2013

You are talking about ONE game and pretending that illustrates what a seasons worth of outcomes was or would be? Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma and others in the conference would have had great success with FSU's schedule and everyone in college football except for you understood and believed that.

Several BIG 12 schools would have rolled Clemson that year, after all it wasn't long before that WVU absolutely crushed them, but suddenly they were world beaters? Ohio State was as usual overrated because they ran through a Big Ten even worse then than now.

 

[Buster68]

How can you have 10,000 posts and only 9 likes? Is that a typo?

most posts were prior to the upgraded site. have not been posting much the last year or so due to all the negativity and abusive comments. imho, trying to discuss issues with people who have set agendas is like Einstein's definition of insanity.

 

[JohnnyDrama388]

When the SEC goes to 16 ..WVU and VT get the 2 spots.

If they had guts that is.

 

[VaultHunter]

I'm not against being in the Big12 at all. I love the teams WVU plays now annually and the revenue is one of the greatest things to ever happen for WVU. I didn't ask this as a slam the Big12 thread. I'm more thinking hypothetically, one day down the road when WVU has had years of Big12 revenue the university will be in a much better place. Leaving the Big12 now or in a year or two would be a silly decision. But lets say 10-15 years from now I don't think it would be that bad of a move. The only appeal the ACC has to me is from a geographical standpoint. Being a member of the ACC one day WVU would still have the option to schedule OOC games against OKLAHOMA, Texas, Baylor, TCU ect because of the relationships WVU is building now being a Big12 member. I guess I'll ask my question again.....Just for fun. Do you see WVU as a Big12 member in 2025? My answer is..maybe but I would say one day WVU will be a member of the ACC because WVU at that point would be an upgrade for the ACC in football and basketball and after ten or more years as a Big12 member WVU could afford to make that change. WVU belongs in the ACC whether they get there or not is anybody's guess. But for now I'm very happy being a Big12 member

 

[VaultHunter]

I think the SEC is a pipe dream. They had a chance to take WVU and chose Missouri. That should tell you all you need to know about how the SEC feels about WVU. Never gonna happen! The only way I see WVU being a Big12 member for 25 years is if Notre Dame joins the Big12 along with Houston or another school to get to 12 members and gives WVU a conference mate who is not 1000 miles away. If the Big12 could convince Notre Dame to join I would never want to leave.

 

[Bluefield EER]

The ACC is still DEAD to me.....

 

[skygusty]

The thought of being in the ACC with Notre Dame just made me throw up in my mouth a little. I'd rather still be in the Big12 in 2025.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

its the Big 12. We don't need to re-analyze the conference worthiness year to year. It's the 2nd best conference in America. Period.

It's also one of the few conferences that is strong in football AND basketball. That fits WVU to a T. And $30 million a year payout, compared to $9.9 million for the best payout in the
Big East for WVU, is some nice pocket money, too.

 

[BoremanEer]

As long as Texas and Oklahoma stay put, we could not be in better shape. Should one go to, say the Pac 12, it is over....

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Why do people give a shit about likes? I have literally seen people beg for them. Who the F cares?!?!?

Agree just messing around. Keeping it light

 

[Pitt4Life34]

The conference talk "tough guys" are all the ACCers trolling this board.

Where are the experts touting the ACC as a better conference than the BIG 12?

Where are the polls, statistics, etc. proclaiming the ACC as on par with the BIG 12?

Nowhere.

Current 2015 Sagarin ratings:
1 SEC West
2 BIG 12 CONFERENCE
3 Pac 12 N
4 Pac 12 S
5 Big Ten E
6 ACC Coastal
7 ACC Atlantic
8 Big Ten W
9 SEC East

ESPN FPI rankings

BIG 12---5 TOP 20 teams including #1 Oklahoma, #4 Baylor, #7 TCU, #17 Oklahoma State and #20 WVU

ACC-- 3 TOP 20 teams--highest ranked #6 Clemson (behind two BIG 12 schools) followed by FSU at #10 and #15 UNC --behind 3 BIG 12 schools. UNC is just two spots ahead of Oklahoma State

The reality of the situation is the ACC is NOT on par with the BIG 12. Has nothing to do with me, everything to do with reality.

Dude let it go. No one cares. There are five power conferences. Five! In any given year one is better than the other. What on earth does that have to do this week against KSU? Nothing! ACC vs Big12(10)? Do u truly care about a thread as beat up and tiresome as this one(only the 1038th) of its kind.

 

[JIMEER86]

For the sake of comparisons, here is how the conference revenue share numbers stack up so far for the most recent year (Big Ten data is pending);



The ACC distributed about 20 million per school. The Big 12:

Friday afternoon, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby announced that eight of his conference’s schools will received full shares of $27 million each. New-ish members TCU and West Virginia will receive $24 and $23 million apiece, respectively; next year, each of those schools will receive full shares.

Likely our full share next year, with expected growth will be about 27 million. The ACC is expected to be about 22 million.

5 million dollars is real money no doubt, but we would likely have both greater attendance and lesser expenses were we in the ACC.

Generously, the profit difference might be around 3 million a year. That's still real money, but it would be a manageable price to pay for a far better situation for the teams and the fans.

It's not admitting weakness not to be stupid. Obviously, we would have leapt at the ACC if it offered. It didn't and we made the best of the situation considering our actual options, but asserting that the Big 12 was the ideal outcome for us is just stupid.

The Big 12 was a better outcome than the ACC, simply because we are playing a better schedule every year.
Also, we don't have ND hanging around feeding off of us. Don't see any way the ACC is better for WVU, maybe you can explain it at my level.

 

[roygbell]

I was born in 1981. Most of my life WVU was a member of the Big East minus a few years of Independent and the Big12. My question is. Do you see WVU as a member of the Big12 as long as they were a Big East member? What do you think happens if that is not the case?

As an OU fan I hope you guys stick with the Big XII. I wish the conference would have been more proactive and brought in a couple of schools closer to you to ease the travel burden on your teams meaning your athletes who have to do the traveling.

I love the old Big 8 schools, but some have sure dropped the football programs to historical low levels. KU, over the decades has had some good runs. K-State since they hired Snyder has had some success. ISU, not so much.

I like Dana as a coach and think he might eventually do WVU a really good job. Anyway and for what it is worth, I hope you all stick around for the long-term.