WVU' future

[VaultHunter]

I was born in 1981. Most of my life WVU was a member of the Big East minus a few years of Independent and the Big12. My question is. Do you see WVU as a member of the Big12 as long as they were a Big East member? What do you think happens if that is not the case?

 

[VaultHunter]

Personally I think being in the Big12 is nothing but a great situation but if the ACC ever expanded again I would be willing to leave the Big12 for the ACC. Honestly the SEC will never happen unless WVU wins a few National Championships or at least 1 very soon so the ACC would be our only other option. Unless going independent made sense which in WVU's case I don't think it ever would.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

Personally I think being in the Big12 is nothing but a great situation but if the ACC ever expanded again I would be willing to leave the Big12 for the ACC. Honestly the SEC will never happen unless WVU wins a few National Championships or at least 1 very soon so the ACC would be our only other option. Unless going independent made sense which in WVU's case I don't think it ever would.

That would be like joining the Big East again and that would suck. With so many schools and two divisions, WVU would hardly ever see FSU or Clemson (same boat that Pitt is in). WVU has a 10 year commitment now, and likely an additional 10 years when they extend the TV contract. After that, it is anybody's guess. Ask again when you turn 55.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Personally I think being in the Big12 is nothing but a great situation but if the ACC ever expanded again I would be willing to leave the Big12 for the ACC. Honestly the SEC will never happen unless WVU wins a few National Championships or at least 1 very soon so the ACC would be our only other option. Unless going independent made sense which in WVU's case I don't think it ever would.

why would Wvu take a big paycut to join the ACC. It's amazing how little respect (little knowledge) the WVU fans have regarding the Big 12. Let me say this, we are extremely fortunate to have been invited. This is easily the 2nd best conference (sec is 1st) in America. Yet Wvu fans complain and treat it like the big east. Truth is, WV people do not deserve WVU and the big 12. They deserve the WVIAC because they act small time. They should be treated small time until they get their act together.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

why would Wvu take a big payout to join the ACC. It's amazing how little respect (little knowledge) the WVU fans have regarding the Big 12. Let me say this, we are extremely fortunate to have been invited. This is easily the 2nd best conference (sec is 1st) in America. Yet Wvu fans complain and treat it like the big east. Truth is, WV people do not deserve WVU and the big 12. They deserve the WVIAC because they act small time. They should be treated small time until they get their act together.

You don't know how good a conference is until after the bowl season. The big 12 is definitely better than the big east was but to say its easily the second best conference is a bit of a stretch. The big 12 has not really performed all that well in out of conference match ups since we have been members. The Oklahoma win over Alabama was the conferences best win but it came in the same year that Baylor was embarrassed by Central Florida in the fiesta

 

[skygusty]

Personally I think being in the Big12 is nothing but a great situation but if the ACC ever expanded again I would be willing to leave the Big12 for the ACC. Honestly the SEC will never happen unless WVU wins a few National Championships or at least 1 very soon so the ACC would be our only other option. Unless going independent made sense which in WVU's case I don't think it ever would.

No thanks. I'd rather stay in the Big12 with 10 teams forever. Unless you can somehow blow up the BIG10, ACC, SEC, (etc.) and start over.

 

[Buster68]

Hmmm! Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda all over again. Maybe we should just enjoy the moment and where we are at. Comparing the Big East to the Big 12 is like comparing the minors to the majors on all levels - schedule power ratings, financial benefits and national perception. Our future is a lot brighter here than in either the ACC or the AAC which is where we could be.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

You don't know how good a conference is until after the bowl season. The big 12 is definitely better than the big east was but to say its easily the second best conference is a bit of a stretch. The big 12 has not really performed all that well in out of conference match ups since we have been members. The Oklahoma win over Alabama was the conferences best win but it came in the same year that Baylor was embarrassed by Central Florida in the fiesta

its the Big 12. We don't need to re-analyze the conference worthiness year to year. It's the 2nd best conference in America. Period.

 

[TexasforevEER]

WV fans would be best served if they quit looking down the conference road. The Big 12 is a great affiliation that provides cash far beyond what is available from most other conferences. Besides, the ACC and SEC turned their noses up at WV over and over! Now, get ready to go 8-4 in the Big 12 and a great bowl game. Life is good.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I was born in 1981. Most of my life WVU was a member of the Big East minus a few years of Independent and the Big12. My question is. Do you see WVU as a member of the Big12 as long as they were a Big East member? What do you think happens if that is not the case?

Completely out of our control. Right now we have a comfortable place in the college football universe and I don't see that ever changing. In the next 10 years the entire university is situated for significant growth and hopefully our fans mirror that with support and donations.

 

[eerdoc]

You don't know how good a conference is until after the bowl season. The big 12 is definitely better than the big east was but to say its easily the second best conference is a bit of a stretch. The big 12 has not really performed all that well in out of conference match ups since we have been members. The Oklahoma win over Alabama was the conferences best win but it came in the same year that Baylor was embarrassed by Central Florida in the fiesta

Not sure I agree that the bowl games are the #1 determining factor regarding conference strength. Much depends on the particular draw for a team. we then project that single game to the conference. Not valid, as I see it. The Big 12 will have 6 teams go to bowls (that's 60% of the conference). Could ahem 70% if Kansas State sneaks in. One team not going is Texas, and we ALL know they are an outstanding program that will be back. The ACC is top dominant with Clemson and FSU (Yes, I know that UNC has had an unusual season, but it is NOT a strong program that will maintain that level of production.Bottom feeders in ACC are, in my opinion, far weaker than those in the Big XII. I would see Kansas handily beating Boston College. Iowa State is far superior to Wake Forest. Go up the line and compare. We are in a far better competitive position in the Big XII.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Interesting question.

I think WVU is in the best conference from a mindset of priorities there is for us. The Big XII is a football conference. Basketball is for getting through until football season. It's round robin play and EVERY game matters. 9 conference games beats 7, and at least 7 marqui opponents in the conference every year. The toughest schedules WVU has EVER played. I love it. What's not to like?

I also believe culturally the Big XII fits us. WV is a beer and bbq/pepperoni roll state and crowd. Tailgating and following the state school or Alma Mata. No real singular allegiance to a pro franchise. WVU is the franchise. This is like the other schools & fanbases in the Big XII.

Geography is the only drawback of the Big XII, but honesly I would rather be here more than any conference perhaps short of only maybe the SEC. AND Really outside of Kentucky & Tennessee, the Geography with the SEC would be as near as challenging.

I do not miss the old schedule that everybody talks about. NOT AT ALL!!!! The big east was a dumpster fire and broken business model from day one. You had some schools football only, some basketball only, some both, and then ND stealing bowl options and giving WV and other football schools NOTHING. The leadership was nonexistent and PATHETIC and WEAK, and unfortunately was never in danger of being hired away for a bigger opportunity or conference.

As for old opponents:

I really don't miss Pitt. They are an urban school that is 30 years + past the last time they were relevant and are the 3rd or 4th choice in their own city. They play in a pro stadium and are like Miami with worse weather and parking.

VPI was fun but Beamer & Weaver turned female compulation organ and dropped us from their slate, so move on there too.

PSU was more than 20 years so it's a distant memory.

Maryland is still a possibility for the future, but who knows?

Cuse & BC? Please, they both between them didn't bring 500 people a season for football games and were embarrassing for fan support in their own venues.

Miami was cheating the whole time that makes SMU seem small time & amateur hour. No thanks. Don't miss them either.

The rest of the ACC can keep their academics and high standards, especially UNC with their academic fraud in both football & basketball. I don't miss the wine & cheese crowd or having to put up with ND being partially in.

Bottom line I love where WVU is and I dont want to relive or have any reunion with the past. I don't even go to high school reunions. Enjoy the best conference WVU has ever been in!

I think one of the larger MEGA conferences (ACC) will break up when the SEC & B1G decide to go to 16. That many schools of different size can't stay satisfied.

 

[Buckaineer]

To use bowl games--ONE game long after the season is over--to determine conference success just doesn't make sense.

Ignore 3 plus months of results for a couple of single games? Yeah that makes alot of sense.

The statistics and results show that the BIG 12 has been one of the top conferences in the nation each and every year the Mountaineers have been in it. The Big East--especially vers. 2 had maybe one really good year and otherwise was at ACC level--before the ACC had a rejuvenated FSU and Clemson.

WVU struggles now not because WVU isn't any good or has lousy coaching, but because they are battling every team in a very strong conference where there are multiple national champ contenders each year.

 

[Buckaineer]

WVU is in the BIG 12 long term and people need to get used to that or just move on.

The BIG 12 is extremely reluctant to change, but that also means that no one in it wants to be anywhere else. They are all content with the status quo and the direction of the conference.

As tv negotiations come around a decade from now there's going to be lots of outside parties trying to cause chaos in the conference again -because there are many highly coveted programs in this conference. Whether WVU will be one of those years from now remains to be seen--the "fanbase" certainly hasn't done anything to help perceptions along those lines.

That said though, there is no indication of any change down the road and the BIG 12 is as financially sound as any conference long term.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

its the Big 12. We don't need to re-analyze the conference worthiness year to year. It's the 2nd best conference in America. Period.

2nd best conference based on what? The big ten people will say there the best conference they have 3 teams in the top six. The sec will say there the best. The pac ten will tell you they have the most parity top to bottom. What defines what the best is? Outside of Oklahoma's win over Tennessee what other big 12 team has a significant OOC win?

 

[sammyk]

The Big 12 is on par with teh ACC and AAC

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

To use bowl games--ONE game long after the season is over--to determine conference success just doesn't make sense.

Ignore 3 plus months of results for a couple of single games? Yeah that makes alot of sense.

The statistics and results show that the BIG 12 has been one of the top conferences in the nation each and every year the Mountaineers have been in it. The Big East--especially vers. 2 had maybe one really good year and otherwise was at ACC level--before the ACC had a rejuvenated FSU and Clemson.

WVU struggles now not because WVU isn't any good or has lousy coaching, but because they are battling every team in a very strong conference where there are multiple national champ contenders each year.

Well allot of teams don't really play anyone on there OOC schedule to see how they would fair in another conference especially Baylor. In the last 2 years Baylor has been in position to possible play for a NC. They are also 0-2 in bowl games over that span. When a conference goes 2-5 in bowl games it doesn't look good regardless of it being only one game. You can't exactly make the case the conference is a Juggernaut based on that

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Not sure I agree that the bowl games are the #1 determining factor regarding conference strength. Much depends on the particular draw for a team. we then project that single game to the conference. Not valid, as I see it. The Big 12 will have 6 teams go to bowls (that's 60% of the conference). Could ahem 70% if Kansas State sneaks in. One team not going is Texas, and we ALL know they are an outstanding program that will be back. The ACC is top dominant with Clemson and FSU (Yes, I know that UNC has had an unusual season, but it is NOT a strong program that will maintain that level of production.Bottom feeders in ACC are, in my opinion, far weaker than those in the Big XII. I would see Kansas handily beating Boston College. Iowa State is far superior to Wake Forest. Go up the line and compare. We are in a far better competitive position in the Big XII.

Bowl games are the only time when the conference as a whole is playing OOC match ups as a whole. No one game doesn't necessarily give an indication of how good a conference is. Some match ups are favorable some aren't but when you goes 2-5 collectively its hard to make a case that you conference is the best or 2nd best

 

[Buckaineer]

The BIG 12 hasn't gone 2-5 every year so that's not a fair assesment for one thing.
The Big Ten had losing bowl records for a decade up to last season and none of you were declaring that conference the Big East.

to ignore 3 months of results for one day--a month after the regular season, makes no sense.

Looking at last years bowl results paints a different picture anyway. WVU played A&M with a backup QB. Baylor lost by a point to a Michigan State team that needed a perfect set of miracles to happen to come back on Baylor which was easily blowing them out with a very short amount of time left. After the incredible snubbing of TCU and Baylor no one had much to play for anyway, and TCU absolutely destroyed SEC darling Ole Miss that was supposed to be so strong.

OOC results over the course of several seasons illustrate a strong BIG 12. All of the strength of schedule results illustrate a strong BIG 12. Its a shame in an effort to downrate the schedule some are creating their own reality and pretending the BIG 12 is not outstanding compared to the other conferences. The SEC may have an edge but its not much--and that has largely been fashioned by the media anyway.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

No the big 12 doesn't go 2-5 every year. The year prior they where 3-3 the year before that they where either 5-4 or 4-5 can't remember for sure. In the case of Baylor yes they had a big lead but they blew it and that's all that matters. Michigan state wasn't even the big 10 champion. Baylor was dominated by central Florida the year before. Since we have been members of the conference the Big 12 hasn't had allot of significant wins to brag about. Regardless of what conference you play in the fans like to boast that there conference is the best and the best way to do that is to win significant OOC games which for the most part only happen at the beginning of the season or at bowl time

 

[Bluefield EER]

The ACC is dead to me.

 

[xWVU2010x]

How about we do away with conference$, blow the whole thing up, and the NCAA grows a pair and forces teams into regional 16 team leagues with a real postseasons?

I personally hate being in the Big XII from a fan standpoint. I want to be able to go see a road game without hopping on a plane. I want to see us play teams that we have atleast some semblance of a rivalry with.

The ACC would never offer but I would be more than happy if we jumped there and got to play Pitt, Cuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech, UVA plus the big teams like FSU, Clemson, and Duke/UNC basketball on atleast a semi-annual basis. The Big XII, I just dont care about any of these teams. I enjoy the annual big games against the league's elite, but its not like we wouldnt get that in the ACC.

 

[irishladdy]

I would see Kansas handily beating Boston College.

Kansas couldn't "handily" beat most high school teams. They lost to South Dakota State on their home field.

 

[Buckaineer]

How about we do away with conference$, blow the whole thing up, and the NCAA grows a pair and forces teams into regional 16 team leagues with a real postseasons?

I personally hate being in the Big XII from a fan standpoint. I want to be able to go see a road game without hopping on a plane. I want to see us play teams that we have atleast some semblance of a rivalry with.

The ACC would never offer but I would be more than happy if we jumped there and got to play Pitt, Cuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech, UVA plus the big teams like FSU, Clemson, and Duke/UNC basketball on atleast a semi-annual basis. The Big XII, I just dont care about any of these teams. I enjoy the annual big games against the league's elite, but its not like we wouldnt get that in the ACC.

Playing Pitt, Cuse, Louisville, VT, UVA is not better than playing KSU, OSU, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and playing FSU or Clemson is not better than playing Texas and OU.

Can't understand some people's facination with those programs. Would much rather see basketball playing top notch Kansas or Iowa State than Doook or UNC.

WVU doesn't have nearly any affiliation or connection with the majority of ACC programs, and they've refused to even consider playing WVU for the most part, yet some continue to pine for them? Just don't get it. The competition isn't better, the locations and venues aren't better--just some are closer, but so what? No one goes to every away game anyway. Maybe one or two at most? so you go to Norman, Oklahoma and Forth Worth or Manhattan, Kansas instead of Raleigh, Syracuse and Charlottesville and get to see respectful fanbases that love football and love playing WVU instead of snobs that look down their nose and think they are too good for you--boo hoo.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Playing Pitt, Cuse, Louisville, VT, UVA is not better than playing KSU, OSU, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and playing FSU or Clemson is not better than playing Texas and OU.

Can't understand some people's facination with those programs. Would much rather see basketball playing top notch Kansas or Iowa State than Doook or UNC.

WVU doesn't have nearly any affiliation or connection with the majority of ACC programs, and they've refused to even consider playing WVU for the most part, yet some continue to pine for them? Just don't get it. The competition isn't better, the locations and venues aren't better--just some are closer, but so what? No one goes to every away game anyway. Maybe one or two at most? so you go to Norman, Oklahoma and Forth Worth or Manhattan, Kansas instead of Raleigh and Charlottesville and get to see respectful fanbases that love football and love playing WVU instead of snobs that look down their nose and think they are too good for you--boo hoo.

As I said, I have zero feeling positive or negative about any of the team's you mentioned. The lone positive for me as a fan being in the Big XII is when we get to play a highly ranked team, and its not as if we wouldnt get that in the ACC. FSU is coming off of two straight undefeated seasons, Clemson is currently #1. Quality of opponents is a wash. I would rather go into a stadium where everyone hates us and come out with a win to shut them up, than sit in the stands playing patty cake with a bunch of fans who have no history with us. I also would love a short trip to Pitt, Syracuse, Charlottesville, or Blacksburg instead of getting on a plane.

I realize that people such as yourself and many others wont agree with me, but thats my stance on it. It doesnt matter anyway we are locked in for like 8 more years anyway.

I would settle for Cincy and UConn being added and placed in our division.

North
WVU
Cincy
UConn
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma (have to make it fair to the south)

South
Baylor
Texas
Kansas
Oklahoma State
Texas
TCU

 

[hbeacheer]

To me the acc presents the most boring football of the p5 conferences and immediately turn the channel if I come across one of their games. Same for the big ten unless mich st is playing. The big 12 is much better top to bottom and is probably equal to the pac and big depending on the year. Big 12 hoops is a lot better than I expected. Location is the only issue with being a member of the big 12

 

[skygusty]

Please stop adding crappy teams to the Big 12. Thank you.

 

[Buckaineer]

To claim quality teams in the ACC is "a wash" with the BIG 12 illustrates a lack of comprehension of college football.

While FSU and Clemson have been rather artificially bumped up to high ratings the last few years despite playing very weak conference competition, the BIG 12 has had Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma all flirting with the top five and ten and Oklahoma State and Kansas State just behind much of the time.

The ACC is comparable to the Big Ten, NOT the BIG 12 in competitiveness.

WVU is IN the BIG 12 and not going anywhere so it really doesn't matter if some pine for a nonexistant relationship with schools that want none with WVU, WVU is going to be in the BIG 12 much longer than 8 more years--much longer than through 2025 when the tv contract expires.

WVU is much like PSU was back in the late 80s when they joined the Big Ten. Other than a moderately close (5 plus hr drive) to Columbus, they were an eastern team playing in a midwestern league. Games with Minnesota and Iowa and Wisconsin were regulars on the schedule with little connection and not much remotely close.

They dealt with it and continue to do so and now that league has added eastern teams to make them more comfortable and to keep them in the fold.

Eventually, the BIG 12 is going to expand--after the Big Ten contracts are in the books and the money is known there. They'll find a way to bridge WVU to the rest of the schools that are further west, and WVU will continue playing teams closer to WV OOC.

Its really a silly argument anyway--people whining about the distance to conference schools, yet don't attend many or any of the 7 home games in WV? If you did attend WVU games in Morgantown and 1 or 2 games on the road, you'd be seeing WVU 8 or 9 times a year, 7 of those close to home. Honestly, when WVU was in the Big East how many people attended more than 2 games on the road in a season? Its not like people were travelling to Miami and Boston every year, or Louisville and South Florida later on in addition to all the other road matchups.

Its a moot point and WVU isn't going to be playing a schedule of eastern teams anytime. WVU signed a long term commitment to the programs that wanted to be associated long term with WVU--and that is the BIG 12 schools. People can get used to that or move on--but eventually a new group of fans wont even remember the brief association with a few northeastern teams. The southern ACC schools? There is no connection.

 

[WiiWii]

Personally I think being in the Big12 is nothing but a great situation but if the ACC ever expanded again I would be willing to leave the Big12 for the ACC. Honestly the SEC will never happen unless WVU wins a few National Championships or at least 1 very soon so the ACC would be our only other option. Unless going independent made sense which in WVU's case I don't think it ever would.

I get why many wVu fans feel this way, but we simply do not fit with that group. I am so happy to be free to the wine and cheese crowd. I love the B12 and would stay here forever if I could. Not sure that is possible as it is kind of the odd man out and the next round of negotiations will be much tougher.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

To claim quality teams in the ACC is "a wash" with the BIG 12 illustrates a lack of comprehension of college football.

While FSU and Clemson have been rather artificially bumped up to high ratings the last few years despite playing very weak conference competition, the BIG 12 has had Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma all flirting with the top five and ten and Oklahoma State and Kansas State just behind much of the time.

The ACC is comparable to the Big Ten, NOT the BIG 12 in competitiveness.

WVU is IN the BIG 12 and not going anywhere so it really doesn't matter if some pine for a nonexistant relationship with schools that want none with WVU, WVU is going to be in the BIG 12 much longer than 8 more years--much longer than through 2025 when the tv contract expires.

WVU is much like PSU was back in the late 80s when they joined the Big Ten. Other than a moderately close (5 plus hr drive) to Columbus, they were an eastern team playing in a midwestern league. Games with Minnesota and Iowa and Wisconsin were regulars on the schedule with little connection and not much remotely close.

They dealt with it and continue to do so and now that league has added eastern teams to make them more comfortable and to keep them in the fold.

Eventually, the BIG 12 is going to expand--after the Big Ten contracts are in the books and the money is known there. They'll find a way to bridge WVU to the rest of the schools that are further west, and WVU will continue playing teams closer to WV OOC.

Its really a silly argument anyway--people whining about the distance to conference schools, yet don't attend many or any of the 7 home games in WV? If you did attend WVU games in Morgantown and 1 or 2 games on the road, you'd be seeing WVU 8 or 9 times a year, 7 of those close to home. Honestly, when WVU was in the Big East how many people attended more than 2 games on the road in a season? Its not like people were travelling to Miami and Boston every year, or Louisville and South Florida later on in addition to all the other road matchups.

Its a moot point and WVU isn't going to be playing a schedule of eastern teams anytime. WVU signed a long term commitment to the programs that wanted to be associated long term with WVU--and that is the BIG 12 schools. People can get used to that or move on--but eventually a new group of fans wont even remember the brief association with a few northeastern teams. The southern ACC schools? There is no connection.

I wouldn't diminish what FSU and Clemson have done. FSU where national champs 2 years ago they beat the sec champions while in that same year Baylor was getting spanked by the junior varsity team in the state of Florida. You might wanna watch the 2013 Fiesta Bowl. I remember watching Clemson blow Oklahoma out last year 40-6. But this shouldn't be all that surprising considering both these schools consistently get top notch recruiting classes

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Hmmm! Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda all over again. Maybe we should just enjoy the moment and where we are at. Comparing the Big East to the Big 12 is like comparing the minors to the majors on all levels - schedule power ratings, financial benefits and national perception. Our future is a lot brighter here than in either the ACC or the AAC which is where we could be.

How can you have 10,000 posts and only 9 likes? Is that a typo?

 

[Pitt4Life34]

To claim quality teams in the ACC is "a wash" with the BIG 12 illustrates a lack of comprehension of college football.

While FSU and Clemson have been rather artificially bumped up to high ratings the last few years despite playing very weak conference competition, the BIG 12 has had Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma all flirting with the top five and ten and Oklahoma State and Kansas State just behind much of the time.

The ACC is comparable to the Big Ten, NOT the BIG 12 in competitiveness.

WVU is IN the BIG 12 and not going anywhere so it really doesn't matter if some pine for a nonexistant relationship with schools that want none with WVU, WVU is going to be in the BIG 12 much longer than 8 more years--much longer than through 2025 when the tv contract expires.

WVU is much like PSU was back in the late 80s when they joined the Big Ten. Other than a moderately close (5 plus hr drive) to Columbus, they were an eastern team playing in a midwestern league. Games with Minnesota and Iowa and Wisconsin were regulars on the schedule with little connection and not much remotely close.

They dealt with it and continue to do so and now that league has added eastern teams to make them more comfortable and to keep them in the fold.

Eventually, the BIG 12 is going to expand--after the Big Ten contracts are in the books and the money is known there. They'll find a way to bridge WVU to the rest of the schools that are further west, and WVU will continue playing teams closer to WV OOC.

Its really a silly argument anyway--people whining about the distance to conference schools, yet don't attend many or any of the 7 home games in WV? If you did attend WVU games in Morgantown and 1 or 2 games on the road, you'd be seeing WVU 8 or 9 times a year, 7 of those close to home. Honestly, when WVU was in the Big East how many people attended more than 2 games on the road in a season? Its not like people were travelling to Miami and Boston every year, or Louisville and South Florida later on in addition to all the other road matchups.

Its a moot point and WVU isn't going to be playing a schedule of eastern teams anytime. WVU signed a long term commitment to the programs that wanted to be associated long term with WVU--and that is the BIG 12 schools. People can get used to that or move on--but eventually a new group of fans wont even remember the brief association with a few northeastern teams. The southern ACC schools? There is no connection.

Aw conference tough guy talk. Play nice because this topic is new and fresh.

 

[Buckaineer]

I wouldn't diminish what FSU and Clemson have done. FSU where national champs 2 years ago they beat the sec champions while in that same year Baylor was getting spanked by the junior varsity team in the state of Florida. You might wanna watch the 2013 Fiesta Bowl. I remember watching Clemson blow Oklahoma out last year 40-6. But this shouldn't be all that surprising considering both these schools consistently get top notch recruiting classes

FSU the year they won the national championship had the lowest sos for a champion in more than a decade.

In their year in the first playoffs, they were rated by everyone well outside of the top ten and well below both Baylor and TCU in the last polls prior to the playoffs and the final polls--and for sos.

Clemson this year beat? A ND team that is supposedly great because they lost by two to ....Clemson.

Other than that they have wins over overhyped Georgia Tech, a narrow win where they gave up huge points to a South Carolina team without its head coach that was just beaten at home by the Citadel?

sorry you are an ACC lover, but outside those two programs the ACC is not regarded well by people involved in the business of college football, and the BIG 12 IS.

 

[Buckaineer]

Aw conference tough guy talk. Play nice because this topic is new and fresh.

The conference talk "tough guys" are all the ACCers trolling this board.

Where are the experts touting the ACC as a better conference than the BIG 12?

Where are the polls, statistics, etc. proclaiming the ACC as on par with the BIG 12?

Nowhere.

Current 2015 Sagarin ratings:
1 SEC West
2 BIG 12 CONFERENCE
3 Pac 12 N
4 Pac 12 S
5 Big Ten E
6 ACC Coastal
7 ACC Atlantic
8 Big Ten W
9 SEC East

ESPN FPI rankings

BIG 12---5 TOP 20 teams including #1 Oklahoma, #4 Baylor, #7 TCU, #17 Oklahoma State and #20 WVU

ACC-- 3 TOP 20 teams--highest ranked #6 Clemson (behind two BIG 12 schools) followed by FSU at #10 and #15 UNC --behind 3 BIG 12 schools. UNC is just two spots ahead of Oklahoma State

The reality of the situation is the ACC is NOT on par with the BIG 12. Has nothing to do with me, everything to do with reality.

 

[WiiWii]

How can you have 10,000 posts and only 9 likes? Is that a typo?

Why do people give a shit about likes? I have literally seen people beg for them. Who the F cares?!?!?

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

The Big 12 is far from ideal for us. The best situation for WVU would be one that never existed-- a conference including all of the East Coast major schools. Of the existing conferences, the Big 10, SEC and ACC would all be better for WVU athletics than the Big 12, but those are not actual options we had.

The difference between being in the Big 12, with all its drawbacks, and being in the AAC is many times greater than the difference between being in one of the other Power conferences as opposed to the Big 12. The bottom line is we avoided a disaster and ought to count our blessings because it could have been far worse. We could have got stuck in the AAC or a league with the other less prominent Big 12 schools but without OU and Texas.

Down the road, there may be further realignment. There is nothing we can do about the reality that for a number of reasons we are near the "border," so to speak. We are not a shoo-in for inclusion if the Power5 contracts. If the realignment involves the snatching away of the biggest Big 12 schools and their being absorbed by the 4 left standing, we will again be in a precarious situation. We might also be accepted into the new Power 4 but that would be far from a certainty.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Ya know, if WVU won a national championship, no matter what, I doubt many of would whine stupidly that we won it with an SOS ( an hypothetical concept in any event in terms of measuring with precision) below that of teams we beat out for it.

I'm sure FSU fans are happier absorbing silly whining from fans of other schools with the trophy in their case than they would be claiming they lost it to a team with a weaker schedule.

Speaking of FSU, it's a shame that back when they and Miami and the Northeastern schools were independents, a great league could never get established.

Imagine if in the 80s the following football independents had created a league:
Syracuse
BC
Rutgers
Pitt
Penn State
WVU
Va. Tech
South Carolina
FSU
Miami

Not only would that have been a great league in football (and good enough in b-ball), but when the realignment occurred, it would have been a very attractive choice for teams like Maryland, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Louisville and very possibly would have "beat" the ACC rather than losing teams to it as the Big East did.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

The Big 12 is far from ideal for us. The best situation for WVU would be one that never existed-- a conference including all of the East Coast major schools. Of the existing conferences, the Big 10, SEC and ACC would all be better for WVU athletics than the Big 12, but those are not actual options we had.

The difference between being in the Big 12, with all its drawbacks, and being in the AAC is many times greater than the difference between being in one of the other Power conferences as opposed to the Big 12. The bottom line is we avoided a disaster and ought to count our blessings because it could have been far worse. We could have got stuck in the AAC or a league with the other less prominent Big 12 schools but without OU and Texas.

Down the road, there may be further realignment. There is nothing we can do about the reality that for a number of reasons we are near the "border," so to speak. We are not a shoo-in for inclusion if the Power5 contracts. If the realignment involves the snatching away of the biggest Big 12 schools and their being absorbed by the 4 left standing, we will again be in a precarious situation. We might also be accepted into the new Power 4 but that would be far from a certainty.

the eastern football conference idea has been beaten to death. Not ever gonna happen. Move on. Plus, western PA and northeastern football is dying due to southern migration to warmer climates and industrial jobs in the rust belt shutting down. Look around, nearly all our former rivals are not good anymore for this reason. And the talent in those areas for recruiting is drying up. Western PA is not producing the big 5 star recruits anymore. Essentially that eastern conference dream would be a weak conference today.

Another thing, the ACC would be a drastic paycut for us and a much weaker conference. Why would we leave the big 12 for that? Stupid idea. I'll give you the big 10 and SEC. Not bad idea. However, just be thankful we are where we are. This big 12 is great and exciting brand of football.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

For the sake of comparisons, here is how the conference revenue share numbers stack up so far for the most recent year (Big Ten data is pending);



The ACC distributed about 20 million per school. The Big 12:

Friday afternoon, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby announced that eight of his conference’s schools will received full shares of $27 million each. New-ish members TCU and West Virginia will receive $24 and $23 million apiece, respectively; next year, each of those schools will receive full shares.

Likely our full share next year, with expected growth will be about 27 million. The ACC is expected to be about 22 million.

5 million dollars is real money no doubt, but we would likely have both greater attendance and lesser expenses were we in the ACC.

Generously, the profit difference might be around 3 million a year. That's still real money, but it would be a manageable price to pay for a far better situation for the teams and the fans.

It's not admitting weakness not to be stupid. Obviously, we would have leapt at the ACC if it offered. It didn't and we made the best of the situation considering our actual options, but asserting that the Big 12 was the ideal outcome for us is just stupid.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

For the sake of comparisons, here is how the conference revenue share numbers stack up so far for the most recent year (Big Ten data is pending);



The ACC distributed about 20 million per school. The Big 12:

Friday afternoon, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby announced that eight of his conference’s schools will received full shares of $27 million each. New-ish members TCU and West Virginia will receive $24 and $23 million apiece, respectively; next year, each of those schools will receive full shares.

Likely our full share next year, with expected growth will be about 27 million. The ACC is expected to be about 22 million.

5 million dollars is real money no doubt, but we would likely have both greater attendance and lesser expenses were we in the ACC.

Generously, the profit difference might be around 3 million a year. That's still real money, but it would be a manageable price to pay for a far better situation for the teams and the fans.

It's not admitting weakness not to be stupid. Obviously, we would have leapt at the ACC if it offered. It didn't and we made the best of the situation considering our actual options, but asserting that the Big 12 was the ideal outcome for us is just stupid.

think of it this way; 3-5 million retains our coaching staff or allows us to beat out schools for a coach. It's not pocket change.