Why not Major Applewhite?

[steeleer]

He's currently OC/QB coach at Houston. Frankly....we need both. Dana needs to focus on being HC and delegate OC to someone else, which ne was terrible at when we had our last OC.

Our QB development is stagnant at best, which has forced us into being a predominantly running team.
That will work on the Kansas and Iowa States of the world, but we flat out need to throw better. Watching Crest, who has been here for 2 years, throw a ball makes me want to find a stiff drink.

I'll be amazed if Herman stays there and equally surprised if Applewhite is named HC since he just got there this year and has never been a HC before.

Moving to WVU will get him on a higher level of exposure and back in the Big 12. He's smart and was always a fighter as a player. We need that edge on offense.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

He's currently OC/QB coach at Houston. Frankly....we need both. Dana needs to focus on being HC and delegate OC to someone else, which ne was terrible at when we had our last OC.

Our QB development is stagnant at best, which has forced us into being a predominantly running team.
That will work on the Kansas and Iowa States of the world, but we flat out need to throw better. Watching Crest, who has been here for 2 years, throw a ball makes me want to find a stiff drink.

I'll be amazed if Herman stays there and equally surprised if Applewhite is named HC since he just got there this year and has never been a HC before.

Moving to WVU will get him on a higher level of exposure and back in the Big 12. He's smart and was always a fighter as a player. We need that edge on offense.

I'm not sure that's true. Dana's has said he wanted to try something different in the B12 and has been moving in this direction.

Geno developed well under Holgorsen and so did Trickett. Hopefully we see Howard make progress too.

 

[steeleer]

I'm not sure that's true. Dana's has said he wanted to try something different in the B12 and has been moving in this direction.

Geno developed well under Holgorsen and so did Trickett. Hopefully we see Howard make progress too.

Geno had a QB coach (Spatival IIRC) while he was here and I'm sure Trickett had one at FSU for 3 years.

EDIT: For as good as we are running it, Howard should be lighting it up

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Geno had a QB coach (Spatival IIRC) while he was here and I'm sure Trickett had one at FSU for 3 years.

EDIT: For as good as we are running it, Howard should be lighting it up

OK. I forgot. Dana gets credit for absolutely nothing good that happens but shoulders all the responsibility for any shortcomings on the team.

BTW, how is your Co-Head Coach plan going?

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

No to Applewhite, too much baggage.

 

[steeleer]

OK. I forgot. Dana gets credit for absolutely nothing good that happens but shoulders all the responsibility for any shortcomings on the team.

BTW, how is your Co-Head Coach plan going?

If you want to ignore the fact that Howard and Crest have been here for 2 years with no QB coach and have not progressed at all and that Geno had a very good QB coach was a 2nd rounder and that Clint (coaches son) has probably been working with a QB coach since he was 12 and made big improvements in his 2nd season here (until the concussions added up).

DB's have a coach, OL has a coach, RBs have a coach. Why do we not have a coach for the single most important position on the team?
I'm just asking you to throw some common sense at that question for a minute before attacking for once.

BTW...I'm flattered that I'm important enough that you mentally keep track of my posts. I can't answer that question completely since Dana has apparently saved his bacon for another year. That being said, why don't you ask FSU who implemented my idea first. 1 National Championship and another playoff spot last season after using my idea to get Bowden out seemed like a good idea for them. No?

 

[steeleer]

No to Applewhite, too much baggage.

Oh come on now...who doesn't like the UT student trainers?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

If you want to ignore the fact that Howard and Crest have been here for 2 years with no QB coach and have not progressed at all and that Geno had a very good QB coach was a 2nd rounder and that Clint (coaches son) has probably been working with a QB coach since he was 12 and made big improvements in his 2nd season here (until the concussions added up).

DB's have a coach, OL has a coach, RBs have a coach. Why do we not have a coach for the single most important position on the team?
I'm just asking you to throw some common sense at that question for a minute before attacking for once.

BTW...I'm flattered that I'm important enough that you mentally keep track of my posts. I can't answer that question completely since Dana has apparently saved his bacon for another year. That being said, why don't you ask FSU who implemented my idea first. 1 National Championship and another playoff spot last season after using my idea to get Bowden out seemed like a good idea for them. No?

I know all about the FSU case study you keep incorrectly referring too. Bowden had a contract that was ending. He wanted to coach another season. They told him he could either be an "Ambassador" coach (and not even let him on sidelines during games), or they simply weren't renewing his expiring contract. He walked away. Not even close to your ridiculous idea (crafted with WVpaper - what a surprise).

You were wrong during the initial conversation and you're wrong now. If you want to be blissfully ignorant, I won't stand in your way but your opinion doesn't stand up to reality.

 

[steeleer]

I know all about the FSU case study you keep incorrectly referring too. Bowden had a contract that was ending. He wanted to coach another season. They told him he could either be an "Ambassador" coach (and not even let him on sidelines during games), or they simply weren't renewing his expiring contract. He walked away. Not even close to your ridiculous idea (crafted with WVpaper - what a surprise).

You were wrong during the initial conversation and you're wrong now. If you want to be blissfully ignorant, I won't stand in your way but your opinion doesn't stand up to reality.

You have a right to be wrong on the later topic. Defend yourself with semantics. Dana has time left on his contract and my idea was to have the "new" HC (if needed) make all the calls with Dana being a figurehead (as opposed to an "ambassador"). Is there really a big enough difference there to write a paragraph about? Ignore the results as well.

Nice dodge on the first question as well. So any decent argument as to why WVU doesn't need a QB coach? Especially in light of how Howard and Crest have "developed" over their 2 years here? If you can get one that can also be OC then why not?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

You have a right to be wrong on the later topic. Defend yourself with semantics. Dana has time left on his contract and my idea was to have the "new" HC (if needed) make all the calls with Dana being a figurehead (as opposed to an "ambassador"). Is there really a big enough difference there to write a paragraph about? Ignore the results as well.

Nice dodge on the first question as well. So any decent argument as to why WVU doesn't need a QB coach? Especially in light of how Howard and Crest have "developed" over their 2 years here? If you can get one that can also be OC then why not?

Yes, there is an enormous difference between what you suggested and what occurred at FSU. Don't get bitchy with me. You had a dumb idea and tried to back it up using an example you obviously weren't familiar with.

Boweden had an expiring contract. He wanted to coach for an ADDITIONAL year. FSU offered him a position of "Ambassador Coach", which wouldn't even allow him sidelines privileges during games. Bowden said no thanks to that idea and FSU didn't renew his ending contract.

Dana has several years left on his contract. You said your idea was to hire a new HC, without firing Dana in order to humiliate him to the point he'd simply quit and forfeit his buyout.

Can you see how TOTALLY different these scenarios are?

I get it - you don't know about this stuff. You probably don't deal with it every day. You're not an attorney. To you, your idea sounded sneaky and fun. But reality, and the law doesn't conform to your silliness. It would end up with WVU being sued without a leg to stand on, dropping tons of dough and losing all respect.

P.S. I don't care if Dana hires a QB coach.

 

[steeleer]

Yes, there is an enormous difference between what you suggested and what occurred at FSU. Don't get bitchy with me. You had a dumb idea and tried to back it up using an example you obviously weren't familiar with.

Boweden had an expiring contract. He wanted to coach for an ADDITIONAL year. FSU offered him a position of "Ambassador Coach", which wouldn't even allow him sidelines privileges during games. Bowden said no thanks to that idea and FSU didn't renew his ending contract.

Dana has several years left on his contract. You said your idea was to hire a new HC, without firing Dana in order to humiliate him to the point he'd simply quit and forfeit his buyout.

Can you see how TOTALLY different these scenarios are?

I get it - you don't know about this stuff. You probably don't deal with it every day. You're not an attorney. To you, your idea sounded sneaky and fun. But reality, and the law doesn't conform to your silliness. It would end up with WVU being sued without a leg to stand on, dropping tons of dough and losing all respect.

P.S. I don't care if Dana hires a QB coach.

I don't know if 2 = "several" ( http://www.register-herald.com/spor...cle_e2cfffb6-ec8f-5679-ba33-23b64ee7dc1e.html ) but I'll play along.

When you have someone who built a program like Bowden, Nehlen, or Beamer they essentially have the power to "renew" their contracts until they no longer want to, so your argument that the fact Bowden had an "expiring" contract makes this a different dynamic is nonsense. Those guys don't exist (and deservedly so) under those type of confines.

So Bowden, unless deterred, was going to coach as long as he wanted (another year at least) and could have continued that ad nauseum until he decided differently. Setting FSU up to be in the exact same situation we would have been in if WVU kept losing this year. No one at FSU had the power to say, "You're done as coach here and there is nothing else owed to you" and simply let him go due to the overwhelming amount of power (booster/alumni money) Bowden had accrued at FSU during his time there. No one at WVU had that power here either due to the terms of Dana's contract.

In short the only way out of either situation was for the coach to quit when on paper there is no inherent reason to. There is nothing in either coaches contract that says they can't hire another "HC" (the new HC could just have a different title if there was some semantics issue) and keep them on as well. FSU didn't and WVU doesn't. Both would have gotten paid their full amount, per their contract....if anything else they would be doing it for less work. In that situation Dana would have quit rather than take that insult.

So no...I'm not an attorney but I can read. I also know plenty of attorneys that I wouldn't trust to close a construction loan on a doghouse. If you were worth a damn as an attorney you wouldn't have the vast amount of free time you have to talk down to people on here. FSU did what I proposed and it worked. Your attempts to make them sound different are pretty weak.

In other words...find someone else to fail to impress.

BTW...I really don't care that you don't care if WVU gets a QB coach.

 

[TexasforevEER]

You fellers are really into the college sports scene. It ain't werf it. Seriously. Now, can I have an amen?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

When you have someone who built a program like Bowden, Nehlen, or Beamer they essentially have the power to "renew" their contracts until they no longer want to, so your argument that the fact Bowden had an "expiring" contract makes this a different dynamic is nonsense. Those g

I don't know if 2 = "several" ( http://www.register-herald.com/spor...cle_e2cfffb6-ec8f-5679-ba33-23b64ee7dc1e.html ) but I'll play along.
uys don't exist (and deservedly so) under those type of confines.

Absolutely 100% wrong. They do not have that power. His contract was expiring and FSU told him they would not renew it. What about that don't you get? They were done with him and informed him that his completed contract would not be renewed. End of discussion. He TRIED to continued the contract and was rejected.


So Bowden, unless deterred, was going to coach as long as he wanted (another year at least) and could have continued that ad nauseum until he decided differently. Setting FSU up to be in the exact same situation we would have been in if WVU kept losing this year. No one at FSU had the power to say, "You're done as coach here and there is nothing else owed to you" and simply let him go due to the overwhelming amount of power (booster/alumni money) Bowden had accrued at FSU during his time there. No one at WVU had that power here either due to the terms of Dana's contract.

Wrong again. He WAS deterred. FSU told him that his contract was NOT being renewed. They owed him nothing because his contract was up and they already honored the full obligation. What don't you get?

In short the only way out of either situation was for the coach to quit when on paper there is no inherent reason to. There is nothing in either coaches contract that says they can't hire another "HC" (the new HC could just have a different title if there was some semantics issue) and keep them on as well. FSU didn't and WVU doesn't. Both would have gotten paid their full amount, per their contract....if anything else they would be doing it for less work. In that situation Dana would have quit rather than take that insult.

Bowden's contract wasn't being renewed. It was ending, over.

You know nothing about contracts or litigation. What you call "semantics", I call hundreds of hours of billable of depositions, subponeas, research, investigations, ect. You're wrong - end of discussion. If a university wanted to hire a new HC, that means DH would need to be replaced. It has nothing to do with title (like you naively mention), it's about responsibilities, authorities, liabilities, ect. You've never read either contract and if you did you wouldn't have the capacity to understand either one of them.

So no...I'm not an attorney but I can read. I also know plenty of attorneys that I wouldn't trust to close a construction loan on a doghouse. If you were worth a damn as an attorney you wouldn't have the vast amount of free time you have to talk down to people on here. FSU did what I proposed and it worked. Your attempts to make them sound different are pretty weak.


Exactly. You're not an attorney. You know nothing about contract law, or employment law or civil procedure or protracted litigation. FSU didn't come close to what you proposed, not even close. You can read, but you can't properly read a legal document (and in this case, you never read either source documents so please, stfu).

In other words...find someone else to fail to impress.

Get your JD. Spend 8 years as an associate getting your ass kicked daily. Read 50,000 legal documents and present yourself to a judge. After that, come back here and try to convince me your stupid ass idea holds any merit.

BTW...I really don't care that you don't care if WVU gets a QB coach.

 

[steeleer]

When you have someone who built a program like Bowden, Nehlen, or Beamer they essentially have the power to "renew" their contracts until they no longer want to, so your argument that the fact Bowden had an "expiring" contract makes this a different dynamic is nonsense. Those g

I remember the first time I posted on a message board.

Dufus.

He was given 2 options. Take the joke position or quit. Bowden always could have taken the job. Bowden refused it.

Seriously how dense are you?

Same discussion with Dana. "You will still be called HC, but you will not have a headset. You will not do interviews. This other guy will do those duties. Or....you can quit." Neither approach is illegal or grounds for a non-frivolous lawsuit. Show me anything in Dana's extension that says this would be a clear violation of his contract and I'll admit you're right. Otherwise feel free to shut up and quit while you're behind.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I remember the first time I posted on a message board.

Dufus.

He was given 2 options. Take the joke position or quit. Bowden always could have taken the job. Bowden refused it.

Seriously how dense are you?

Same discussion with Dana. "You will still be called HC, but you will not have a headset. You will not do interviews. This other guy will do those duties. Or....you can quit." Neither approach is illegal or grounds for a non-frivolous lawsuit. Show me anything in Dana's extension that says this would be a clear violation of his contract and I'll admit you're right. Otherwise feel free to shut up and quit while you're behind.

If we gave this ultimatum to Dana, it would violate his contract. He could simply quit and WVU would have to pay for his full buy-out and possibly additional monies.

You're right about one thing, nothing in Dana's contract says WVU can't hire a person for the same position he already has in order to embarrass/humiliate to the point he simply quits - it doesn't need to be directly expressed, that's not how contracts work.. Those conditions are implied and expressed all through the contract and that's why we have Judges, who look at the intent of the parties.

If Dana was stripped of all his duties (and replaced by someone else), then WVU is in violation of the contract - because those duties are expressed in the contract. Get it? The only thing they could do is ask Dana to renegotiate (which he wouldn't).

As I've said a number of times, Bowden's contract was expiring. FSU had already met the contract's obligation. Bowden wanted an ADDITIONAL year. He was basically offered a Emeritus position. They weren't going to RENEW his contract so he retired. Was he forced out? Yes, absolutely - but it's not even in the same universe of what your suggesting we do to Dana.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5493285

Bowden, who had asked to coach one last season, told the AP that Wetherell presented him with two alternatives.

"Number one, you can stay as ambassador coach. I don't think I've ever heard of an ambassador coach in my life. I said, 'Well, what is an ambassador coach?'

"He said, 'Well, you can remain the head coach but you can't coach out on the field.' Now how can I be the head coach of this team if I can't go out on the field? So I said, 'Well that's out.'

"So I said, 'What's the next alternative?' The next alternative, we ain't going to renew your contract," Bowden said with a big laugh. "Does that sound like I resigned?"

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Let me take you by the hand and walk you through this.

If we stripped Dana of all his duties and authorities, he's no longer the head coach. Those duties, authorities and responsibilities are expressed throughout his agreements and discussions with WVU. His position isn't defined by a title, it's defined by duties. If we hired someone else and gave all those duties to him, then that person is now the head coach, not Dana. Dana's contract is to be the HEAD COACH. Not Emeritus, or Figurehead, or Ambassador Coach - HEAD COACH.

So if WVU prevented him from being the Head Coach, by design of your idea - they'd be in violation of his contract. Before they could offer him a figurehead position, they'd need to settle up on his existing contract.

Now, if WVU simply wants to tell Dana that when his contract ends, it's not getting renewed, they certainly could.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

OK. I forgot. Dana gets credit for absolutely nothing good that happens but shoulders all the responsibility for any shortcomings on the team.

BTW, how is your Co-Head Coach plan going?

Finally, someone has articulated the situation. Even if Dana were to luck into an undefeated season and national championship, all he would accomplish would be to create unrealistic expectations for all future Mountaineer teams, thereby destroying the program forever.

 

[steeleer]

Let me take you by the hand and walk you through this.

If we stripped Dana of all his duties and authorities, he's no longer the head coach. Those duties, authorities and responsibilities are expressed throughout his agreements and discussions with WVU. His position isn't defined by a title, it's defined by duties. If we hired someone else and gave all those duties to him, then that person is now the head coach, not Dana. Dana's contract is to be the HEAD COACH. Not Emeritus, or Figurehead, or Ambassador Coach - HEAD COACH.

So if WVU prevented him from being the Head Coach, by design of your idea - they'd be in violation of his contract. Before they could offer him a figurehead position, they'd need to settle up on his existing contract.

Now, if WVU simply wants to tell Dana that when his contract ends, it's not getting renewed, they certainly could.

Don't you think that would be more than a little implied by this point? What would Dana do at that point? Sue while still working at WVU? Unlikely.

Quit and then sue? Possibly. It would be up to a judge to decide if his claim would have merit. There is nothing inherent in his contract that would say it would have merit, but that never stops people from suing.

The worst case for WVU? Pay what they would have to have paid per the contract anyhow. By definition there would be no financial damages to collect since he could stay and get his full contractual salary. Pain and suffering? Hard one to pull off in a WV court where the average citizen makes less in a lifetime than Dana makes in 6 months.

Lost future income? Only if Dana showed that he was no longer getting calls for HC positions. The current coaching carousel would make that a steep hill to climb in court.

Most likely outcome? Dana would leave before it got to that point and there would be a severance on something far less than 8 million.

I like Luck, but that is a crappy deal for WVU in Dana's contract where we have no leverage. My approach gives some leverage back. it's all moot anyhow since he has another year to prove himself.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Don't you think that would be more than a little implied by this point? What would Dana do at that point? Sue while still working at WVU? Unlikely.

Quit and then sue? Possibly. It would be up to a judge to decide if his claim would have merit. There is nothing inherent in his contract that would say it would have merit, but that never stops people from suing.

You mean if WVU went ahead (they never would, because it leaves them open to huge liability) with your plan? Yes, he absolutely would sue and it would never make to to a judge because WVU would settle for an amount above his buy-out. If I did ever make it through protracted litigation and found its way to a Judge, WVU would be in a world of hurt. You said it yourself, the intent of the plan would be to humiliate/shame/embarrass Dana into quitting so WVU wouldn't have to pay him the buyout money. You think a judge wouldn't see that? LOL - Give me a break.

You don't know how contract law and theory actually works. People go to school for this and dedicate their careers to it, don't think you're more clever.

The worst case for WVU? Pay what they would have to have paid per the contract anyhow. By definition there would be no financial damages to collect since he could stay and get his full contractual salary. Pain and suffering? Hard one to pull off in a WV court where the average citizen makes less in a lifetime than Dana makes in 6 months.

Wrong. Worst case is WVU pays Dana his full buyout money, plus additional money for concocting a ridiculously unethical plan to intentionally damage his reputation, plus all of Dana's legal fees (Associates would bill around $400/per hour), plus an enormous amount of lost respect within the higher education community and college athletics. Our AD would be forced to resign or be fired as well as anyone else who backed the idea. They also might face an investigation into their business practices from the state. Still sound like a good idea?

This kind of behavior towards employees is NOT tolerated by judges.

Lost future income? Only if Dana showed that he was no longer getting calls for HC positions. The current coaching carousel would make that a steep hill to climb in court.

Wrong. If I had an employment contract and a state organization intentionally tried to bypass the money they owed in my contract by trying to publicly embarrass me via shaming me into quitting, there are many ways to arrive at a nice big number they'd have to pay me. A first year associate could run that pretty easily.

Judges care very much about INTENT. As you stated, the INTENT of this plan was to publicly embarrass and humiliate Dana so he'd quit (thus not having to pay the money he's legally owed under contract). WVU would pay dearly for that.

Most likely outcome? Dana would leave before it got to that point and there would be a severance on something far less than 8 million.

The most likely outcome is that Dana walked away with more money than he's already owed and WVU has a nice black eye and a damaged reputation.

I like Luck, but that is a crappy deal for WVU in Dana's contract where we have no leverage. My approach gives some leverage back. it's all moot anyhow since he has another year to prove himself.

I agree. Crappy deal for WVU, good deal for Dana. But that's the deal they gave him and WVU will be expected to honor the deal they voluntarily offered. Your approach violates the very core and principle of a contract.

I understand this isn't something you deal with on a daily basis and your idea probably sounded clever to you at first, but unfortunately it doesn't work - not on any level.

I also understand you're too proud to admit your wrong. Fine, I get like that sometimes too. Unfortunately, the law and the facts are squarely against you on this topic and I can't twist them to give you some kind of out.

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[steeleer]

Response is embedded.

Your response is your opinion. You've made it pretty clear. Maybe a judge would agree, but guaranteeing he/she would to such a ridiculous degree is quite the grandstand....even for you.

My example to the contrary. Belien left and clearly per his contract owed millions of dollars. Fitzsimmons tore it into little pieces and got JB out at a fraction of the amount. I would argue WVU has several lawyers (now) that are smarter than Bob ( and therefore you). I wouldn't assume what they could or not pull off.

Again moot point, but thanks for trying to help me twist my way out of being so completely wrong on this issue. [pfftt]

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

After we nail down Applewhite as the QB coach we can go after Major Olgilvie to coach the running backs.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Your response is your opinion. You've made it pretty clear. Maybe a judge would agree, but guaranteeing he/she would to such a ridiculous degree is quite the grandstand....even for you.

And my opinion is based on case law and contract theory. You've completely ignored Implied Terms during this whole discussion falling back on, "Well - his contract doesn't say we can't do it". You don't understand how this works, that's normal, but why defend an uneducated opinion so vigorously?

My example to the contrary. Belien left and clearly per his contract owed millions of dollars. Fitzsimmons tore it into little pieces and got JB out at a fraction of the amount. I would argue WVU has several lawyers (now) that are smarter than Bob ( and therefore you). I wouldn't assume what they could or not pull off.

Two completely unrelated and incomparable situations. I know how settlements actually work and there's not enough time in this world to get you up to speed.

You obviously can't admit you're wrong. Fine. It's not my job to educate the ignorant and in the end, it doesn't really matter because an institution would never go along with a plan so blatantly stupid. At this point it's just message board banter between an informed person and one who isn't and I'll be happy to remove myself from the conversation at this point.

Again moot point, but thanks for trying to help me twist my way out of being so completely wrong on this issue. [pfftt]

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[WVU enginEER]

He's currently OC/QB coach at Houston. Frankly....we need both. Dana needs to focus on being HC and delegate OC to someone else, which ne was terrible at when we had our last OC.

Our QB development is stagnant at best, which has forced us into being a predominantly running team.
That will work on the Kansas and Iowa States of the world, but we flat out need to throw better. Watching Crest, who has been here for 2 years, throw a ball makes me want to find a stiff drink.

I'll be amazed if Herman stays there and equally surprised if Applewhite is named HC since he just got there this year and has never been a HC before.

Moving to WVU will get him on a higher level of exposure and back in the Big 12. He's smart and was always a fighter as a player. We need that edge on offense.

I believe bringing Rich Rod in as a "coach in waiting" serves both parties well. Rich gets valuable experience and the opportunity to restore his name to future consideration as a hall of fame coach, we get that winner's mentality and the positive changes that come with it to our football culture, both for the players and the fans. Has this ever been tried before?

 

[steeleer]

I believe bringing Rich Rod in as a "coach in waiting" serves both parties well. Rich gets valuable experience and the opportunity to restore his name to future consideration as a hall of fame coach, we get that winner's mentality and the positive changes that come with it to our football culture, both for the players and the fans. Has this ever been tried before?

Yeah. Unfortunately a massive fail when we brought Dana on. People blame Luck for that but he had no choice in the matter. He was pretty much told that was going to be the arrangement and to make it work.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Yeah. Unfortunately a massive fail when we brought Dana on. People blame Luck for that but he had no choice in the matter. He was pretty much told that was going to be the arrangement and to make it work.

Who was directing Luck? Doesn't sound like Clements. Was the board that stingy over settling up on Stewart's contract (we ended up settling anyways)?

 

[steeleer]

Response embedded.

Ditto on the inability to admit being wrong.

Guys like you were completely incredulous when Belein got away relatively easy when all the board "legal experts" told us "uninformed" folk how open and shut the final judgement was going to be. Two different cases but that Belein case proved one thing...a lawyer who doesn't spend most of his time on a message board can find a way by looking outside the box.

It's not my job to teach you humility, which you fatally lack. I'm not surprised you have all the free time to do what you do on here, which apparently is to try to soothe your ego by talking down to others.

Get some help with all that and maybe your practice will get to the point where you won't have the time to continually burden this board.

 

[eerdoc]

He's currently OC/QB coach at Houston. Frankly....we need both. Dana needs to focus on being HC and delegate OC to someone else, which ne was terrible at when we had our last OC.

Our QB development is stagnant at best, which has forced us into being a predominantly running team.
That will work on the Kansas and Iowa States of the world, but we flat out need to throw better. Watching Crest, who has been here for 2 years, throw a ball makes me want to find a stiff drink.

I'll be amazed if Herman stays there and equally surprised if Applewhite is named HC since he just got there this year and has never been a HC before.

Moving to WVU will get him on a higher level of exposure and back in the Big 12. He's smart and was always a fighter as a player. We need that edge on offense.

I see your assessment way off mark. "Our QB development is stagnant at best, which has forced us into being a predominantly running team." Really? Do you not factor in that we lost TWO NFL WRs from last year's team? They were a lot of the passing production? We have THREE true freshmen, a transfer, a RS-SO, who had no experience, and two hold overs as our receiving corps. Should be thankful Dana has assembled a good group at RB and has developed a decent line until we mature a little more at the receiving positions. IMO, far too quick to render a decoration based on single dimensional thinking which does not really hold water. I, too, would welcome someone who can take some pressure off Dana, but I have NO INTEREST in having an OC who desires to install and run HIS offense. This is Dana's team and he WILL continue to make the offensive decisions--as it well should be.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Ditto on the inability to admit being wrong.

Guys like you were completely incredulous when Belein got away relatively easy when all the board "legal experts" told us "uninformed" folk how open and shut the final judgement was going to be. Two different cases but that Belein case proved one thing...a lawyer who doesn't spend most of his time on a message board can find a way by looking outside the box.

It's not my job to teach you humility, which you fatally lack. I'm not surprised you have all the free time to do what you do on here, which apparently is to try to soothe your ego by talking down to others.

Get some help with all that and maybe your practice will get to the point where you won't have the time to continually burden this board.

As I said, two completely different cases and you obviously don't have the capacity to understand either. I wasn't here when that went down so take your grievances up with someone else. You're trying to wiggle away from your initial stance and I'm not letting you out from under my boot just yet.

No need to "look outside the box", you provided a very well-defined scenario for us to debate and you've been dead wrong on every aspect. If you could actually debate your stance on it's merits you wouldn't need to inject an unrelated matter into the discussion. Sounds like your only brushes with contract law have been when a WVU coach takes another job. Not a very good foundation to support a legal argument but people are silly and when they are desperate they'll cling to anything.

I could have all the humility in the world and you'd still be dead wrong. Is that your way of saying uncle?

 

[steeleer]

I see your assessment way off mark. "Our QB development is stagnant at best, which has forced us into being a predominantly running team." Really? Do you not factor in that we lost TWO NFL WRs from last year's team? They were a lot of the passing production? We have THREE true freshmen, a transfer, a RS-SO, who had no experience, and two hold overs as our receiving corps. Should be thankful Dana has assembled a good group at RB and has developed a decent line until we mature a little more at the receiving positions. IMO, far too quick to render a decoration based on single dimensional thinking which does not really hold water. I, too, would welcome someone who can take some pressure off Dana, but I have NO INTEREST in having an OC who desires to install and run HIS offense. This is Dana's team and he WILL continue to make the offensive decisions--as it well should be.

If this were Skylers first season, I would agree with you. However, he had nearly a month running with the 1s before the bowl as well as being "the guy" all offseason after starting to finish off last season.

Our WRs are young, and some our issues with throwing the ball (drops) have been on them. I will say the inability for Howard to throw an intermediate pass or throw for accuracy has been a much bigger deal.

Our best talent on offense is at RB, which normally means it would be easier to throw. That hasn't been the case at all this season.

I agree the line play is improving. I was really down on Crook after the OU game.

 

[steeleer]

I could have all the humility in the world and you'd still be dead wrong. Is that your way of saying uncle?

No it's my way of saying you are a weak person who needs to talk down to people to make yourself feel better.

Here's some free advice. Spend less time trying to prop yourself up here and actually spend that time to get better at what you supposedly do for a living.

BTW....I thought you were done educating the unwashed masses here?(As if your overinflated ego would allow you to not make yourself look even more feeble than you already have.)

 

[steeleer]

Who was directing Luck? Doesn't sound like Clements. Was the board that stingy over settling up on Stewart's contract (we ended up settling anyways)?

The BOG didn't want it to look like WVU didn't appreciate what Stew had done for WVU. Plus some bigger boosters didn't want stew out...at least until he started a smear campaign. The booster deal he had waiting with the MAC was to appease that group.

That coach in waiting crap is way worse than my idea and it has literally never ended well...or cheaply.