Why is the Big Ten trying to submarine a Big 12 title game?

[wbgvwbgv]

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There is nothing mysterious about what the Big 12 would do. It would have the top two teams face off in a title game. There is nothing mysterious about what the Big Ten prefers the Big 12 do. Have two five-team divisions, so that an 11-1, third-ranked Oklahoma might be playing an 8-4, unranked West Virginia instead of a top-15 OSU, Baylor or TCU.

"We don't want to play two five-team divisions then have the potential of everyone else has the two best teams in one division,” Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said. "We don't think we ought to be forced into that sort of thing."

Delany said the Big Ten’s amendment really was to halt quick voting on the proposal and start discussions. The vote is scheduled to be taken Jan. 13-16 at the NCAA convention in San Antonio. Each of the 10 Division I-A conferences has a vote, but the Power-5 votes count double.

"Our original premise was it ought to be completely deregulated and conferences ought to come to their own conclusions of how they decide their own championship," Bowlsby said. "I continue to believe that, but not everybody agrees."

Delany saying the Big Ten should have a say in how the Big 12 determines a champion is no more righteous than the Big 12 saying the Big Ten should play a nine-game conference schedule. It’s all politics, pure and simple.

http://newsok.com/article/5465688

 

[wbgvwbgv]

True test for Bowlsby. If he is able to get the championship game for the Big 12 passed at the NCAA convention, college football may have a new power broker. It will certainly be a stunning rebuke of Delany and Big 10 politics.

Too many enemies & he may be on his way out.

 

[wvurelic]

Because the big 12 top to bottom is a stronger conf then the big 10 after you get past MSU and OSU who do they have. There is at least 4 maybe 5 depending on the year , true contenders in the Big 12, and they know a big 12 conf champ is more likely to get in over there champ. Probably 7 out of 10 years if things continue as it is for both conf. So sure they would love to see us with co champions every year. It lessons are true champion propaganda just like year 1 and they were the benefactor for it.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

Basically they want everyone to have similar situations to finish the season so the the committee can make a critical judgement comparing apples to apples not apples to oranges.

I personally want a championship game but not in a ten team conference. With 10 teams and round robin scheduling it is pointless.

 

[Shipyard Dog]

Basically they want everyone to have similar situations to finish the season so the the committee can make a critical judgement comparing apples to apples not apples to oranges.

I think what you meant to say was, "they want to change their own situation then make everyone else comply to their rules".... you know, just to be fair.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

The Big 10 is going to 9 conference games next year just like the PAC 12 did this year. The chance that top teams from different divisions will meet during the regular season will increase and someone has to lose hurting the Big 10 playoff chances.

Let's say that the Big 12 decides that a championship game is only necessary if the top two teams end the season with the same record. The winner of the regular season game as a reward gets to host the championship game. Easy enough to implement.

A 12-0 Big 12 school doesn't have to worry about a championship game and easily makes the playoff.

Two tied 11-1 schools play a championship game and the extra win (12-1 now with a extra win over an 11-2 team) almost assures a playoff spot for the winner.

If only one school is 11-1 then the Big 12 still has a great chance just like this year. And we don't have to worry about a championship game hurting us.

This would be a huge advantage for the Big 12 conference and Delaney and Larry Scott don't like it. But can they stop it?

 

[Bronco-eer]

Keep hearing they want an even playing field, conference champs and a championship game, yet they are willing to give Notre Dame a pass on these same standards they say everyone should follow. If that is what they really want then make Notre Dame join a conference or don't give then access to the playoffs.

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There is nothing mysterious about what the Big 12 would do. It would have the top two teams face off in a title game. There is nothing mysterious about what the Big Ten prefers the Big 12 do. Have two five-team divisions, so that an 11-1, third-ranked Oklahoma might be playing an 8-4, unranked West Virginia instead of a top-15 OSU, Baylor or TCU.

"We don't want to play two five-team divisions then have the potential of everyone else has the two best teams in one division,” Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said. "We don't think we ought to be forced into that sort of thing."

Delany said the Big Ten’s amendment really was to halt quick voting on the proposal and start discussions. The vote is scheduled to be taken Jan. 13-16 at the NCAA convention in San Antonio. Each of the 10 Division I-A conferences has a vote, but the Power-5 votes count double.

"Our original premise was it ought to be completely deregulated and conferences ought to come to their own conclusions of how they decide their own championship," Bowlsby said. "I continue to believe that, but not everybody agrees."

Delany saying the Big Ten should have a say in how the Big 12 determines a champion is no more righteous than the Big 12 saying the Big Ten should play a nine-game conference schedule. It’s all politics, pure and simple.

http://newsok.com/article/5465688

 

[Buckaineer]

It wouldn't seem possible for the BIG 12 to implement a CCG on the spur of the moment. There would have been huge logistics and monetary issues to work out.

It's not something that could happen in a week or two successfully. For example, you couldn't tell ESPN or Fox " well we are going to wait until the last weekend to decide if next week we'll need a time slot for a CCG, all the production resources to hold one and put it on tv, and get those tens of millions ready to pay us in case we want to hold one". There wouldn't have been a way to hold multiple stadiums, for fans to get flights, cars or hotels, or for vendors to have food, beverage and goods ready for 50-100,000 people on extreme short notice.

The BIG 12 was never going to do that. They would like the change to be able to select who they wanted as their top two teams and to go without divisions in the selection of those two teams- and in the case of expansion go without divisions. The ACC wanted to be able to select whoever they wanted to play in their CCG as their two top teams and also make schedules as they pleased to placate their top schools.

Why should that matter to the Big Ten? After all they could do the exact same thing if it passed as is-it's not as though the other conferences would be able to do something they couldn't. They simply want to do everything possible to destabilize the BIG 12 and ACC. They don't want those conferences doing anything to improve their playoff position. They don't want those conferences being able to improve their position in expansion ( I.e it might be an easier sell to get ND into the ACC if they didn't have to be in a particular division or play certain schools each year). It's a power play for the Big Ten and also their kissing cousins the PAC 12 who now find themselves out of the playoffs ( interesting isn't it that the media is not proclaiming the PAC 12 doomed or needing massive change for missing out this year? And where is the anti PAC 12 message board chatter as the BIG 12 dealt with?).

Bowlsby said the other day- they want us to have divisions and a CCG and I'd like them to play a round robin schedule- and he is spot on about that.

 

[Buckaineer]

I think what you meant to say was, "they want to change their own situation then make everyone else comply to their rules".... you know, just to be fair.

Yes- that is it. Interesting that message board posters are now putting out rhetoric suggesting the Big Ten, PAC 12 etc. we're forced to expand to "play by the rules" or to somehow comply with the playoffs when that couldn't be further from the truth. They expanded to weaken other conferences and primarily to make more money-- now they are seeing others doing well despite not taking those steps and want to find a way to make everyone else follow their changes- which may not work out as they hoped.

 

[Va eer]

dont think it a big deal for spur of moment big 12 game between co champs As for tv they would jump at it (dont other power conf have championship games on Sunday same day as selection committee announces) a bit of planning for possiblilty would have to be done ,but it could be done