Who on this site is left that still feels Dana is the right coach?

[3xWVUenginEER]

I feel that Dana Holgorsen is the right coach for WVU Football.

It scares me when I agree with you (ha ha), but I think Dana is the right guy.

I'm also partial to him cause he's DEFINITELY NOT the folksy gosh golly I'll tell them what they want to hear, "be here as long as they'll have me" BS artist that kisses the media backside. I'm sick of fake people. I like the fact that he doesn't give a $#!+ what anyone thinks, will tell the newspaper @$$ whipes what he thinks of them, and is comfortable in his own skin and knows how to coach. His team needs better qb play. If WVU gets that, they'll win out.

 

[Keyser76]

I hear people saying we don't have the money to buy him out and we're stuck with him. Don't hear too many saying he is the man we want at the helm anymore. Me personally I quit going to games after his second year. Didn't even DVR todays game while I was out doing some trail riding with some family I had in from out of state. Tuned in the ol' FM radio at halftime and we were already getting smoked by 24. By the time I checked on it again we were giving up 63 points in a loss. Never even got mad about it. Went on with my day and had a blast. Maybe I'll give a dam after Dana is gone. Just can't bring myself to do it any longer with him as head coach. Same crappy results every year. Everyone in our conference runs at least a version of Dana's offense. And dam near all of'm do it better than Dana.
Anytime you think we've improved or he has rounded the corner he pulls the patented conference swoon. He has lost the team. That's why he's burning redshirts and sticking all kinds of new guys in mid season. He knows that everyone else knows he's done here. Even if he makes it 'til his contract expires he's a dead man walking.

Well then why should anyone care what you think? You give up if they aren't winning, who needs ya, keep riding the trails and I'll keep going to the games win or lose.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

This is ironic coming from a fan of a team whose most successful seasons came in a watered-down Big East.

1. Those wer not the most successful season at WVU. See 1993 and 1988 and playing for National Titles, the real ones.
2. As weak of a schedule the watered down big LEAST was, the SOS in the weakest year was still inside the top 50 which is still 7 spots higher that the toughest SOS than the Marshall thundering Herd has EVER played. Your SOS is typically outside the top 90. Boise State historically plays tougher slates. In 2014, the Marshall SOS was 120, and WVU's SOS was 12.

Keep trying.

 

[Marine03]

I think Dana is the right coach for WVU

 

[Buckaineer]

No one in a leadership role is going to fire a coach because he accepted a job that was offered to him.
No one is going to fire a coach because a bunch of malcontents hate Oliver Luck and every change he made.
They'll evaluate each seasons results and contracts and what change actually would result in for the long term success of the program.

Right now in this season we know WVU is just getting to a point of depth on the football team due to previous small recruiting classes. Turnover issues have cost the team this year.

The losses have come against a top 5 team with the best offense in college football, a top 15 team that is a traditional power and has one loss on the season and an undefeated then top 25, now top 15 team in overtime. Between these programs there is one loss to another BIG 12 program. Two of these games were on the road as is the next against another top five program. This stretch is probably the toughest in all of college football.

Of course people want WVU to win every game, but if you don't care about WVU football because you are mad about previous changes then you aren't a fan anyway so not sure why you are wasting fans time posting negativity on these boards.

Undoubtedly the leaders will evaluate everything reasonably and then make decisions. There are still chances for many wins this season and WVU fans will be listening, watching or attending as they can and rooting for success.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

I am not that concerned about a coaching change and Holgorsen still offers WVU the best chance at staying competitive in the Big 12 and eventually winning a championship.

The vast majority of head coaches in the country have fans who want them fired and that is just part of the game. Lyons is way to smart to make a change because our team can't beat highly ranked teams. And you don't make a coaching change when your team loses to the the #14 ranked team in OT. Now if we lose to ISU and Kansas then that is another story, but I don't see that happening.

Lyons is firmly in Holgorsen's corner and his opinion actually counts unlike the ones on this board.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

I would certainly hope that Lyons is not firmly in the corner of Holgorsen at this point. That would suggest we have an AD who is not doing his job. I would expect nothing less than Lyons is doing the smart thing and waiting until we have played KSU to decide what to do. No one with any judgment would be committed to Holgosen at this point given his track record after 4 1/2 seasons. At this point, the AD should say nothing publicly (and privately say very little, very cautiously, and only to those whose input is needed and can be trusted to be quiet as well) and doing the necessary preparation by compiling a list of candidates and a little feeling out of interest in case at the end of the season we do need to make a change.

Holgorsen may or may not turn it around sufficiently to warrant continued employment. It would be dereliction of duty for Lyons not to be ready on December 6th, with a short list of candidates and be in a position to make a prompt but thoroughly thought through decision shortly after the season ends. We've been through two successive hires where the process was inexcusably bungled and lacked even a modicum of the professionalism needed at this level. If we are not already taking steps to have a list of strong candidates and comparatively evaluate them then we have bigger problems than an underachieving football program.

I'd much rather be fully prepared to take an action that subsequently becomes unnecessary than to see us act as incompetently as we did the last two times.

 

[jpf578]

The game has changed and blowouts and high scoring games happen all the time now - doesn't mean much and you can't stay stuck in the 90's. Dana wants to be here and is our best chance at fielding a competitive team in the Big 12. I realistically haven't even heard of a better name (Saban or Fisher returning is a joke).

WVU is 2-2 against Baylor since joining the conference and that is a better record than any other conference school has against them in that time frame. There absolutely nothing embarrassing about losing to the #2 team in the nation at their stadium . You may have forgotten that we lost to Penn State 25 years or so in a row. And there were few who wanted to adopt a Marshall like schedule just so WVU could have more wins. I think that most or our fans like playing the best of the best even though we are going to lose our fair share of games.

Holgorsen is our coach and a replacement is not going to happen until the end of his contract. All this message board talk is silly. After the TCU game (#3 team in the nation), the schedule gets a lot easier and WVU could even possibly win out and go to one of the great Big 12 bowls. 3-3 with 6 more games to be played.

I agree and would like to add, I like our chances against TCU. Something I didn't against Baylor.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

We've been through two successive hires where the process was inexcusably bungled and lacked even a modicum of the professionalism needed at this level. .

This is one of the truer statements I've ever read on this board. The manner which both Bill and Dana were hired were pathetic. Not to mention, the way Bill Stewart was treated by Oliver Luck (an attorney who should know better) was ridiculous and lack any semblance of professionalism. Our coaching carousal over the last 8 years has been more like a small town soap opera, not even close to the way an organization should conduct itself.

 

[jpf578]

I may very well have gotten you confused with someone else, and if so, I apologize. With that said, I will say that Bill Stewart was the right hire at the time. As I recall, there were no real big names knocking down our door, and he kept our program viable. Enough so that we were able to hire what everyone thought was one of the up and coming young assistant coaches.

Stewart was not the right hire at anytime and WVU will never have big names knocking down our door. We are perceived as a really horrible state, and some of it is legitimate.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

"Our coaching carousal over the last 8 years "

lol

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Newbie question.

Is Keaton's Corner an inside joke which people play along with or is this a person some actually take seriously? If it's not an intentional parody of foolish internet blowhards, it's an unintentional one.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Newbie question.

Is Keaton's Corner an inside joke which people play along with or is this a person some actually take seriously? If it's not an intentional parody of foolish internet blowhards, it's an unintentional one.

It's both actually. How perceptive of you!

 

[JIMEER86]

Stewart was not the right hire at anytime and WVU will never have big names knocking down our door. We are perceived as a really horrible state, and some of it is legitimate.

you are correct - Stewart was not the right hire. However, the WVU job is not a "horrible" one and we can attract good candidates. Remember, we were not the only program interested in DH when he was hired. As long as we are in the Big 12 and willing to pay 3-4 mil a year we will attract coaches.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Garrison himself admitted he wasn't comfortable with how Stewart was hired. Dana's hiring was a circus show that kept getting worse.

 

[eers1foru]

I understand your point of view and I empathize with your frustrations. We just have different attitudes about it and mine isn't better than yours.

WVU sports is pretty much my only recreational outlet these days. I'm self-employed, have young kids, a house to maintain, ect., and the WVU football games are the only time I clear for myself and reserve for enjoyment. Whether it's attending the game or watching from home, I just look forward to it. Their record or performance doesn't change much for me. I can't really separate myself from it, as WVU is where I got my bachelor's and most of my close friendships were made there. I don't want to separate from all that simply because we aren't playing well.

I just try to take the bad with the good and accept that fact that if you're a fan of a team, it's won't always be great. Overall I feel WVU fans have a lot to be happy about. Recent BCS bowl wins, an invitation into a really great athletic conference, Sweet 16's, a Final 4, some great individual football victories, ect.

My concern is that Lyons doesn't get the next hire right. He's never made this decision before and considering things haven't been the same @ WVU since RR left, his selection will be very important. Winning at WVU isn't as easy as many posters make it to be. We are a great program with some limitations and we need a coach that understands how to work around them and gain a competitive advantage. Bob Huggins is doing that now. RR did it too.

Personally, I want RR back. I think his departure ripped out some of WVU's soul (and his own) and only his return can repair it. He's a good coach - period. Even when his teams were bad, they were mean and prepared. His system works here. He can recruit properly for it. We can get good option QB's and backs and lineman to run it. JMO.

It's Okay man I don't take offense. I cope with our sucking the best I can. And everyone does it differently. I'm not gonna dedicate a quarter of my time with my kids to a football game that I'm 90% sure that we are gonna lose anyway. My time with my kids is way more important since my divorce. I suppose the divorce has had as much to do with the lack of dedication as a WVU fan as Dana's piss poor coaching. Priorities change. And in the midst of having to decide what order to put those priorities in having a coach that doesn't prepare his teams and has to fight to hold water just above Kansas and Iowa State didn't rank very highly. I spent my time being happy out on the trails with my kids and a brother I don't get to see very often. If we had a coach worth a dam we may have delayed the ride a couple of hours to allow for the game. But I told my brother "May as well ride, this team isn't going anywhere 'til they get rid of the coach!"

 

[Darth_VadEER]

It's Okay man I don't take offense. I cope with our sucking the best I can. And everyone does it differently. I'm not gonna dedicate a quarter of my time with my kids to a football game that I'm 90% sure that we are gonna lose anyway. My time with my kids is way more important since my divorce. I suppose the divorce has had as much to do with the lack of dedication as a WVU fan as Dana's piss poor coaching. Priorities change. And in the midst of having to decide what order to put those priorities in having a coach that doesn't prepare his teams and has to fight to hold water just above Kansas and Iowa State didn't rank very highly. I spent my time being happy out on the trails with my kids and a brother I don't get to see very often. If we had a coach worth a dam we may have delayed the ride a couple of hours to allow for the game. But I told my brother "May as well ride, this team isn't going anywhere 'til they get rid of the coach!"

Right. We're all probably guilty of having too much emotional investment in WVU. Better to walk away from it than to be ugly from it.

I do the same thing (prioritize). I don't get to watch all the games and I'll never tell someone else what to do with their own time.

 

[atlmountie]

I hear people saying we don't have the money to buy him out and we're stuck with him. Don't hear too many saying he is the man we want at the helm anymore. Me personally I quit going to games after his second year. Didn't even DVR todays game while I was out doing some trail riding with some family I had in from out of state. Tuned in the ol' FM radio at halftime and we were already getting smoked by 24. By the time I checked on it again we were giving up 63 points in a loss. Never even got mad about it. Went on with my day and had a blast. Maybe I'll give a dam after Dana is gone. Just can't bring myself to do it any longer with him as head coach. Same crappy results every year. Everyone in our conference runs at least a version of Dana's offense. And dam near all of'm do it better than Dana.
Anytime you think we've improved or he has rounded the corner he pulls the patented conference swoon. He has lost the team. That's why he's burning redshirts and sticking all kinds of new guys in mid season. He knows that everyone else knows he's done here. Even if he makes it 'til his contract expires he's a dead man walking.

 

[atlmountie]

I hear people saying we don't have the money to buy him out and we're stuck with him. Don't hear too many saying he is the man we want at the helm anymore. Me personally I quit going to games after his second year. Didn't even DVR todays game while I was out doing some trail riding with some family I had in from out of state. Tuned in the ol' FM radio at halftime and we were already getting smoked by 24. By the time I checked on it again we were giving up 63 points in a loss. Never even got mad about it. Went on with my day and had a blast. Maybe I'll give a dam after Dana is gone. Just can't bring myself to do it any longer with him as head coach. Same crappy results every year. Everyone in our conference runs at least a version of Dana's offense. And dam near all of'm do it better than Dana.
Anytime you think we've improved or he has rounded the corner he pulls the patented conference swoon. He has lost the team. That's why he's burning redshirts and sticking all kinds of new guys in mid season. He knows that everyone else knows he's done here. Even if he makes it 'til his contract expires he's a dead man walking.

ME

 

[eers1foru]

ME

So we have you, 3x WVU engineer (who was publicly lambasted for being childish and attacking posters), Marine 03 (some person with four posts in two years and is prolly a Marshall troll who likes watching us lose) and Keaton who never says anything negative about Dana or anything else WVU related but admitted to a Pitt troll that the numbers prove WVU hasn't been good through out Danas entire stint in the Big XII.

 

[DubVeeTexan]

Hate! Hate! Hate! Hate! Hate! We could be like Pitt right now at 5-1 and not truly have played anyone (barely beating YSU) with a likely rude awakening coming OR we could go through the ringer this year with injuries and probably the hardest in conference schedule to start. Make mistakes and know we need to improve going into a very winnable game at 3/4 TCU with the possibility to run the table and save the season. At this point I choose the latter...

 

[WVUroller]

I'm not quite as apathetic but I am equally if not more dissastistified.

If money is the issue I'm not sure why WV joined the BXII & cashed in for this unprecedented revenue stream.

I root for the players, but I've been off the Dana train since 2012, same as you.

As discussed before, WV is at no schematic advantage running the same offense to lesser success as the rest of the league. In reality, this team now has no identity at all & is not air raiding.

Burning redshirts & playing backup QBs at WR is despearte, but at this point, we'll take anything we can get.

Riding this contract out to expiration & no extension prohibits recruiting, but the present is a bigger issue than years ahead in the future.

I think Dana and his staff probably see things we do not see.I mean is Simms an athlete that even as 4 star rated QB is maybe a better option at WR and Crest is still his QB in waiting or maybe he has already decided Chugs is the future of the team at QB? Maybe none of the above and the point is as much as we want this team to win every game we have no idea what these professional coaches see and do not see everyday in practice that gives them an indication of what level of play they are capable of early in a career or if these coaches expect practice will make them competitive players in their third and fourth years.

This is what I do think at the end of this year we will win 8 to 9 games and yes I think we upset TCU and I have a strong gut feeling about that as they are not the defensive team we are and we have the capability to score as much as anyone. The rest of the schedule can easily turn us into a 10 win team after a bowl win if and I say if we cut down the mistakes and do not turn the ball over and the Dana talk about he is not a coach is over for at least another season. I really have no feelings about keeping or losing him or any special interest in either as I have seen the best of him as he scorched these same teams while OC at Oklahoma State and while he has struggled to build a team here that is capable of running the table in my honest opinion is the second or third best conference in all of NCAA football!

The last thing I will say is we could have won the Oklahoma game and the OSU game was one that should have been won. The Baylor team is the best football team in the nation this year and unless they shoot themselves in the foot we will have lost to two top 20 teams and a third to the National Champs and in all honesty I will take that with the hope of a better team and our chance to run the table in the next two years. If Dana can not get us bowl eligible and win at least 8 games with the bowl my opinion may change but right now this is where we are and firing him in the middle of this year is pointless.

 

[skygusty]

I choose to cheer on my school. All coaches are pretty much hired guns anyway. They don't feature strongly in my feelings. Making a coaching change is not in my power to influence anyway so I don't worry about it too much. WVU is in a conference that will be attractive to a number of good coaches. While we are in the P5, we are not far enough up it to keep really great coaches from getting hired away by an elite program with very deep pockets and really nice cities and climates. So bitch if it helps you cope, defend the coach if it makes you feel virtuous. None of it will make the slightest bit of difference. Hoping for a win soon.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

So we have you, 3x WVU engineer (who was publicly lambasted for being childish and attacking posters), Marine 03 (some person with four posts in two years and is prolly a Marshall troll who likes watching us lose) and Keaton who never says anything negative about Dana or anything else WVU related but admitted to a Pitt troll that the numbers prove WVU hasn't been good through out Danas entire stint in the Big XII.

Childish? Publicly lambasted?

Well waaaaaahhhh!

I don't attack anyone. I just laugh at the knuckleheads who scream, cry, and tell the world either:
A. They have no life and their only reason for living is watch a group of 18-23 year olds play a kids game
or
B. They have no real problems in their lives or no life except watching 18-23 year olds play a kids game not to perfection.


All I know is I went to WVU, donate to WVU, & buy tickets to WVU. I also give to the COE, that CEMR ain't on my sheep skin. WVU football is entertainment to me. If it's ever stressful I'll just find something else.

As for Keaton, never met the dude, but he says he went to WVU, he buys tickets, and there's ous similarity.

I think the education & perspective is what we have in common .

I don't know the marine fella.

 

[eers1foru]

Hate! Hate! Hate! Hate! Hate! We could be like Pitt right now at 5-1 and not truly have played anyone (barely beating YSU) with a likely rude awakening coming OR we could go through the ringer this year with injuries and probably the hardest in conference schedule to start. Make mistakes and know we need to improve going into a very winnable game at 3/4 TCU with the possibility to run the table and save the season. At this point I choose the latter...

Just wait til next year, it's our year. Is that the summation of your argument?

 

[countryroads89]

So we have you, 3x WVU engineer (who was publicly lambasted for being childish and attacking posters), Marine 03 (some person with four posts in two years and is prolly a Marshall troll who likes watching us lose) and Keaton who never says anything negative about Dana or anything else WVU related but admitted to a Pitt troll that the numbers prove WVU hasn't been good through out Danas entire stint in the Big XII.

Marine is a Marshall troll.

 

[eers1foru]

I'm beginning to think a lot on this board are Marshall trolls. Dana has proven that he simply get the job done. "Wait til next year!" should be the password to his checking account. Because he has milked WVU out of millions with that mentality!

 

[DubVeeTexan]

Just wait til next year, it's our year. Is that the summation of your argument?

Easy there buddy, all I am saying is it is not as bad as everyone think it is. Secondly, I said nothing about next year I still think this year is salvageable. Calm down.

 

[hancockeer]

if we win 7 yes

 

[mountiefan88]

The thing is who is out there? This is not a easy job. The travel and lack of instate talent make things very difficult.