Which Blue Blood Is The Biggest Underachiever In Football?

[ColoradoMountaineer]

I would have to say Texas. They have one of the largest athletic bugets in the country. A large recruiting base. They have only 1 winning season in the last 4 years and haven't reached 10+ wins since 2009. These numbers make wvu look like a Blue Blood.

Texas even failed to convince Jimbo Fisher to replace Mack Brown. Jimbo ended up at A&M. At least we know that A&M is higher up the food chain then the Longhorns these days.

 

[TheMasterVader]

Texas never offered Jimbo Fisher.

Fisher won a NC the year Mack Brown was fired
Texas was not going to wait until January to bring in Fisher.
Fisher wouldn’t have left Florida St a week before the ACC Championship.

More importantly A&M brought in a damaged Jimbo.
He was cucked by his wife with a former Florida player.

Good try.
Herman is a much better coach.

Who else put up almost 600 yards against Alabama

Ohio St’s Offense hasn’t looked the same since Herman left
Texas has higher rated recruits than Ohio St’s offense ever had
Texas has three coaches off of that 2014 Ohio St staff

 

[TheHighPriestofTexasFootball]

Most of football outside of the Northeast and the West Coast have had the same issues and that was national publicity.

Before the early 1980’s the entire county was forced to watch a couple of games every week.
A lot of times one of the games featured ND.

Alabama went out west to play in the Rose Bowl in the 30’s to increase their exposure. The PAC schools told Bama they were not welcomed. Same thing would have happened to Texas.
Bama started claiming NC unlike Texas. Research the 1941 NC. When Bear Bryant took over everyone thought Bama was a prior champion unlike DKR with Texas.
Texas actually had more success prior to 1960 than Bama. To prove this to be true DKR beat Bama everytime they played.


The largest issue for Texas was segregation. If Texas was playing with all their players prior to 1970 I am sure they would have won a lot more NC.


Still Texas is 2 wins short of 900 wins.

If Texas underachieved.

That would me Texas should have over 1000 Wins.


I think the country truthfully has not seen the best of Texas.
Mack Brown prevented this because he was a horrible coach.
Meaning X’s and O’s.


Truthfully I think UGA is the program that has underachieved the most in history.

They should be a blueblood but are not.

A lot of this has to do with Bama and Bear Bryant refusing to play UGA.
UGA best Bama in the 60’s and Bama stopped playing them.

Mark Richt is Mack Brown who never had VY.

Texas has never stopped playing a team just because they beat them

Truthfully if Texas has underachieved I would hate to be a fan of CFB.
Texas would then make CFB boring.

 

[WVUFanForever]

The correct answer is Texas.

You have one national title in the last 45 years.

That is just one more than WVU during that time.

 

[TheHighPriestofTexasFootball]

The correct answer is Texas.

You have one national title in the last 45 years.

That is just one more than WVU during that time.

Not according to all polls.

What makes AP polls more valuable than others.
AP and Coaches polls have been deemed irrelevant for a reason.

 

[WVUFanForever]

The University of Texas only claims four...so if you want to go against what you own school considers cannon, by all means please claim the National Championship Foundation naming you champs in 1981.

 

[WVU80ate]

Easy answer....Michigan. Followed closely by Notre Dame.

 

[TheHighPriestofTexasFootball]

The University of Texas only claims four...so if you want to go against what you own school considers cannon, by all means please claim the National Championship Foundation naming you champs in 1981.

Texas doesn’t claim any other championship besides AP and Coaches poll.
Now it will be CFP. Since the AP poll can and may still vote any team number 1 unlike the Coches poll.

Similar to the 03 Championship for the BCS
And it could have been 08 if OU had won as Texas had a lot of votes secured for the AP poll.

Point is some people get caugh up with NC like they mean anything.

 

[TheHighPriestofTexasFootball]

Easy answer....Michigan. Followed closely by Notre Dame.

ND if they ever find a way to win again could become a big deal.
ND really cannot recruit anymore.
ND used to be a national power in terms of recruiting. Only school that could recruit nationally until the 1980’s.


Since cable TV people across the country can see every team play and even more so with the internet.


Michigan on the other hand.
Has not underachieved as they do not and never had a recruiting base.
They too like ND rely on National recruiting but to a lesser extent.


They really need a down USC to win again but because of other schools being able to reach into California a down USC may not help.

Research California top recruits since 2010.
A lot of them went elsewhere.
This wasn’t the case prior to the 90’s.

 

[MrBurntReynolds]

NC are popularity polls.
Still are in a way.
I don’t think Ohio St deserved a shot this year but there have been years when the 4 teams were not the best 4 teams.

Bluebloods are 800 wins and a 700 winning percentage.
Nebraska is on its way out. Penn St and Tennessee if they have a strong 10 years could be a blueblood.

By 2025 it may become 900 wins and a 700 winning percentage.

If you look at all 8.
Wins
WP
Head to head

Alabama-
891 wins 5th
723 WP 5th
Head to Head
18-22-2

Michigan
943 wins 1st
729 WP 1st
Head to Head
92-82-8

Nebraska
893 4th
695 9th
Head to Head
58-78-4

ND
886 6th
724 4th
Head to Head
92-80-7

Ohio State
898 T2nd
725 3rd
Head to Head
72-82-7

Oklahoma
884 6th
723 7th
Head to Head
101-117-10

Texas
898 T2nd
705 7th
Head to Head
85-66-6
Scalps of Bluebloods
1


USC
834 9th
702 8th
Head to Head
71-70-7


Ranking of the BlueBloods
8.Nebraska
7.USC
6. Alabama
5. Oklahoma
4. Ohio St
3. Texas
2. ND
1. Michigan

Head to Head has a lot to do with.
Especially the number of times they played.

Over 10% of Oklahoma’s wins have come against a blueblood program.
That is impressive.
Over 10% of ND’s wins.
Close to 10% with Texas, Ohio St and Michigan.


The question has always remained.

Is Alabama stronger than the SEC and that is why the SEC never had another blueblood or has the SEC been weak and that is the reason for Bama’s success.

If you take Texas, Michigan Oklahoma, ND and Ohio St’s record against the rest of the SEC you see that it is because the SEC for a lot of history has been weak outside of its conference

The rise of the population in the South has changed this.
Today it might be the total opposite.

Texas has a 700 winning percentage against SEC opponents.
If you add Arkansas, Missouri and A&M into the mix that number jumps up to an 800 winning percentage.

1/4 of the SEC are Texas’ victims.
Even the big cock himself Bama is a Texas victim.

SEC is more of a halfway house to Texas.

So how has Texas underachieved when it has victims all over the country.
Even former bluebloos as victims.

 

[WVU80ate]

ND if they ever find a way to win again could become a big deal.
ND really cannot recruit anymore.
ND used to be a national power in terms of recruiting. Only school that could recruit nationally until the 1980’s.


Since cable TV people across the country can see every team play and even more so with the internet.


Michigan on the other hand.
Has not underachieved as they do not and never had a recruiting base.
They too like ND rely on National recruiting but to a lesser extent.


They really need a down USC to win again but because of other schools being able to reach into California a down USC may not help.

Research California top recruits since 2010.
A lot of them went elsewhere.
This wasn’t the case prior to the 90’s.

what are you talking about, “Notre Dame can’t recruit anymore?”. They routinely have top classes. They just had the 11th ranked class. They are often in the top 10. The talent is there. And they weren’t the only national program in recruiting. Michigan, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc benefitted from National recruiting as none of them had much instate talent.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Texas never offered Jimbo Fisher.

Fisher won a NC the year Mack Brown was fired
Texas was not going to wait until January to bring in Fisher.
Fisher wouldn’t have left Florida St a week before the ACC Championship.

More importantly A&M brought in a damaged Jimbo.
He was cucked by his wife with a former Florida player.

Good try.
Herman is a much better coach.

Who else put up almost 600 yards against Alabama

Ohio St’s Offense hasn’t looked the same since Herman left
Texas has higher rated recruits than Ohio St’s offense ever had
Texas has three coaches off of that 2014 Ohio St staff

Just pick one screen name and stick with It. Fisher has won a national championship. Hermann hasn't even won a game with a team he recruited. Fisher never wanted to coach at a weak underperforming joke of a program like Texas. T&AM will surpass Houston and TCU as the dominant power in the state of Texas.

 

[MrBurntReynolds]

what are you talking about, “Notre Dame can’t recruit anymore?”. They routinely have top classes. They just had the 11th ranked class. They are often in the top 10. The talent is there. And they weren’t the only national program in recruiting. Michigan, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc benefitted from National recruiting as none of them had much instate talent.

11 is not Top 3.
Research last time ND finished in the top 3

 

[PeterDragon 1970]

No one in Texas is afraid of Jimbo

1) Florida St’s recruiting class still finished ahead of Aggy

2) Aggy has had HoF coaches before and still have not won a NC
Jackie Sherrill to me was a much better coach than Jimbo and he couldn’t win a NC

3) Jimbo’s manhood has been taken away.
Same as Aggy.
Aggy is getting cucked by a cuck

If you are cucked by a cuck you are the lowest man in the world....

 

[WVU80ate]

11 is not Top 3.
Research last time ND finished in the top 3

Who said anything about top 3?

 

[PeterDragon 1970]

There are different levels of talent in recruiting
According to 2 of the 3 services Texas finished Top 3
Third in the composite

Texas
Top 100 7
Top 200 14
Top 300 19
Top 500 22

ND finished tenth in the composite

ND
Top 100 5
Top 200 7
Top 300 11
Top 500 17

Both signed 27 players

Huge difference.

The divisions in CFB
Top 3
Top 5
Top 10
Top 20
Top 25
Top 50

You need Top 5 classes every 2 years and Top 3 every 4 years to compete for a CFP berth most of the time

Check last time ND finished top 3 or top 5

 

[MrBurntReynolds]

Who said anything about top 3?

Because a Top 3 class is needed to win a CFB NC.

Especially with how Alabama recruited for awhile you need a top class every year.

Sorry but ND was completely embarrassed by Alabama in 2012.

ND is no where close in terms of talent. They are getting closer.

Just as long as they stick with Brian Kelly they have a chance to bring back the 80’s and early 90’s with top classes.

As you saw last year against SC and UGA and in their bowl game against LSU.
I will call the Miami game an outlier.


But ND needs to take at least two more steps up before you can say they are bringing in elite talent.


There are only five programs that can recruit top 5 talent no matter the record.
These programs can leap back into CFP contention in one year

Alabama
Texas
USC
Ohio State
Georgia

The rest need to take either baby steps or need more than one year to make a giant leap

 

[Major Applewhite]

I am not going to deny that Jimbo Fisher will do whatever it takes to turn the program around.

Can he is the question.
Jimbo Fisher inherited a Florida State team that had the state all to themselves because Meyer was on his way out and Miami was self destructing.

Once Richt entered the picture at Miami Jimbo’s recruiting pitch no longer worked.

A&M is in the middle of a snake pit. Can Jimbo survive is the question.
You have LSU, Oklahoma, Arkansas, TCU, and Texas all to deal with.
Thing is most of these programs have had recent success.

Texas on the other hand is no longer a country club.
Positions are earned and recruits are taught from the beginning that iron sharpens iron.
Meaning that these recruits will face each other and players already in the program head up for starting positions.

No one walks onto the field any longer for Texas unless he earns it at practice.

It has taken four years to rid 40 Acres of Mack Brown.

The could recruit but he could not maintain a winning program nor could he coach.

Luckily he was at UT and had Vince Young.

 

[PlutoDroid]

Texas never offered Jimbo Fisher.

Fisher won a NC the year Mack Brown was fired
Texas was not going to wait until January to bring in Fisher.
Fisher wouldn’t have left Florida St a week before the ACC Championship.

More importantly A&M brought in a damaged Jimbo.
He was cucked by his wife with a former Florida player.

Good try.
Herman is a much better coach.

Who else put up almost 600 yards against Alabama

Ohio St’s Offense hasn’t looked the same since Herman left
Texas has higher rated recruits than Ohio St’s offense ever had
Texas has three coaches off of that 2014 Ohio St staff

Must be nice to overlook real events so you can see the world through burnt orange glasses.

Tell me in the last ten years how many Texas players have been impact players at the next level. Michael Thomas and Ezekial Elliot and numerous other Ohio State players say hello.

Also if you really believe the crap you spew, Texas has numerous titles this decade? Kind of making the O.P's point for them.

Oh and taking credit for what your head coach did at another school while not being able to put up anywhere close to those numbers at his current school ,kind of negates your talent statement. Urban Meyer was the head coach as well. Herman's accomplishment has since been bested by Scott Frost. The American is not a P5 conference.

Great recruiting class, still not better than Georgia or Ohio State. Herman was good at Houston , but Lincoln Riley just may be even better at Oklahoma.

 

[Major Applewhite]

Must be nice to overlook real events so you can see the world through burnt orange glasses.

Tell me in the last ten years how many Texas players have been impact players at the next level. Michael Thomas and Ezekial Elliot and numerous other Ohio State players say hello.

Also if you really believe the crap you spew, Texas has numerous titles this decade? Kind of making the O.P's point for them.

Oh and taking credit for what your head coach did at another school while not being able to put up anywhere close to those numbers at his current school ,kind of negates your talent statement. Urban Meyer was the head coach as well. Herman's accomplishment has since been bested by Scott Frost. The American is not a P5 conference.

Great recruiting class, still not better than Georgia or Ohio State. Herman was good at Houston , but Lincoln Riley just may be even better at Oklahoma.

Problem is the Elliott’s RB coach and OC is now at Texas.
Texas has 3 coaches off of that Ohio St 2014 championship team

Thomas was a 3 star recruit. Texas has better WRs than Ohio St ever had

Elliott was ranked the 8th best RB coming out of St Louis and so is Ingram.

Plus Texas has their hands on two of the best RB next year
Trey Sanders who said he loved Texas. A 5 star RB
Noah Cain who is originally from Baton Rouge by the way of Denton, Tx.

Both IMG backs are being heavily recruited by Texas.

The issue is OLine.

I think by next year these problems will be taken care.
Especially by 2019.

 

[Major Applewhite]

Herman recruited a 5 star DT to Houston
Beat three Top 10 teams at Cougar High.


UCF plays in the weaker half of the AAC.

His toughest game was against SMU.
Put UCF playing Houston, Memphis and SMU and see if they go undefeated.

Their biggest victory was against an Auburn team that didn’t show up to that game.

Frost has not shown the ability to bring in a Top 15 class anywhere he has been.
Not at Oregon
Not at UCF
Not at Nebraska.

Since recruiting rankings went national in 2001 Nebraska only once has brought in a Top 15 class.

Scott Frost has not shown the ability to change this.

More importantly his DC is trash.
UCF had a horrible defense.

Tom Herman at Houston had one of the best defenses in the country creating turnovers.

At Texas it has gotten ever better
#1 in Defensive TD
Top 5 in turnovers

 

[PlutoDroid]

Problem is the Elliott’s RB coach and OC is now at Texas.
Texas has 3 coaches off of that Ohio St 2014 championship team

Thomas was a 3 star recruit. Texas has better WRs than Ohio St ever had

Elliott was ranked the 8th best RB coming out of St Louis and so is Ingram.

Plus Texas has their hands on two of the best RB next year
Trey Sanders who said he loved Texas. A 5 star RB
Noah Cain who is originally from Baton Rouge by the way of Denton, Tx.

Both IMG backs are being heavily recruited by Texas.

The issue is OLine.

I think by next year these problems will be taken care.
Especially by 2019.

We will see, you guys have been talking about "this year" as the year all of that "talent" equates to your operating budget for a while now. Texas operates more like an independent school, than a member of the Big 12. For all of your advantages Oklahoma has been the far superior program.

My point on talent is how it equates at the highest level. That 3 star talent has proven himself. Get back to me when some of Herman's "superior" talent proves itself at the NFL level. Until then, the talent has been proven superior at Ohio State.

Since I don't affiliate myself with either school, I don't really care. I just found the statement ridiculous.

 

[BIGXIIfan 2017]

We will see, you guys have been talking about "this year" as the year all of that "talent" equates to your operating budget for a while now. Texas operates more like an independent school, than a member of the Big 12. For all of your advantages Oklahoma has been the far superior program.

My point on talent is how it equates at the highest level. That 3 star talent has proven himself. Get back to me when some of Herman's "superior" talent proves itself at the NFL level. Until then, the talent has been proven superior at Ohio State.

Since I don't affiliate myself with either school, I don't really care. I just found the statement ridiculous.

Micheal Thomas was drafted by the Saints.
Drew Brees has made him look good not the other way around.
Have you heard much about Jimmy Graham since he left the Saints.


Malik Jefferson is a potential impact rookie for whoever drafts him.
Looks like the Saints. They have a history of drafting UT players and they need a big play LB.

No one will make Jefferson look good except himself.
He will be a great LB on every NFL team.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Georgia

 

[Pitt4Life34]

I would have to say Texas. They have one of the largest athletic bugets in the country. A large recruiting base. They have only 1 winning season in the last 4 years and haven't reached 10+ wins since 2009. These numbers make wvu look like a Blue Blood.

Texas even failed to convince Jimbo Fisher to replace Mack Brown. Jimbo ended up at A&M. At least we know that A&M is higher up the food chain then the Longhorns these days.

Good call and it’s not even close.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Easy answer....Michigan. Followed closely by Notre Dame.

When was the last time Texas frequented the Top 10 after 4 or 5 games? Michigan and ND go to Bowls while Texas sucks butt.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

ND if they ever find a way to win again could become a big deal.
ND really cannot recruit anymore.
ND used to be a national power in terms of recruiting. Only school that could recruit nationally until the 1980’s.


Since cable TV people across the country can see every team play and even more so with the internet.


Michigan on the other hand.
Has not underachieved as they do not and never had a recruiting base.
They too like ND rely on National recruiting but to a lesser extent.


They really need a down USC to win again but because of other schools being able to reach into California a down USC may not help.

Research California top recruits since 2010.
A lot of them went elsewhere.
This wasn’t the case prior to the 90’s.

LOL at the site Dummy(as well as his other 6 accounts).

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Georgia

LOL

 

[leftackle70]

Maybe a good topic to start a discussion / War of Words. Blue Blood and All.
But I would like it better on another forum. I'm still stinging from a loss to this team and a broken fingered QB
What WVU needs to do is to dominate a Very STRONG Longhorn Team
And right now, neither of those things are true.

 

[LHANDSDC]

Texas never offered Jimbo Fisher.

Fisher won a NC the year Mack Brown was fired
Texas was not going to wait until January to bring in Fisher.
Fisher wouldn’t have left Florida St a week before the ACC Championship.

More importantly A&M brought in a damaged Jimbo.
He was cucked by his wife with a former Florida player.

Good try.
Herman is a much better coach.

Who else put up almost 600 yards against Alabama

Ohio St’s Offense hasn’t looked the same since Herman left
Texas has higher rated recruits than Ohio St’s offense ever had
Texas has three coaches off of that 2014 Ohio St staff

Lol, because it's true...

"More importantly A&M brought in a damaged Jimbo.
He was cucked by his wife with a former Florida player."