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So much of it is size of the school and alumni base, WVU is just not have that big of an alumni base....remember for many many years we were in the teens for enrollment.
WVU does have a big alumni base its just that the alumni base isn't crazy rich. Our alumni just cannot keep up with the Texas and Ahia States. Until college football is fixed then its a moot point where the top 10 money schools will just keep playing each other in the playoff.
 
Not sure they are conservative. Shanahan calls the plays I assume and they put up a ton of points. Did at JMU as well
My point was people felt Cignetti's style was too close to Neal. I was making the point that IU bought Cignetti a QB and that makes a ton of difference.
 
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You have no idea who they're looking at right now and the buyout is almost half of what it was. It's not the same situation.
I wish I had an inkling because I enjoy watching these mid-week games. I thought GJ Kinne's offense was decent last night. They ran the ball a lot more than I expected. The result wasn't great but they moved the ball well between the 20s.
 
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WVU does have a big alumni base its just that the alumni base isn't crazy rich. Our alumni just cannot keep up with the Texas and Ahia States. Until college football is fixed then its a moot point where the top 10 money schools will just keep playing each other in the playoff.
Neither does Kansas State and Iowa State.. they are doing just fine.. Tired of the Excuses.. Nobody in their right mind expects WVU to spend or be like Texas or other blue bloods..
 
Neither does Kansas State and Iowa State.. they are doing just fine.. Tired of the Excuses.. Nobody in their right mind expects WVU to spend or be like Texas or other blue bloods..
KSU's endowment is similar but more than WVU's. ISU's endowment is more than 2X WVU's.
 
KSU's endowment is similar but more than WVU's. ISU's endowment is more than 2X WVU's.
Additionally, what he doesn't understand is the real concern is about the future and not today. Those two teams are proving how important good coaching is but going forward it's going to take good coaching and a big war chest to be competitive.
 
I wish I had an inkling because I enjoy watching these mid-week games. I thought GJ Kinne's offense was decent last night. They ran the ball a lot more than I expected. The result wasn't great but they moved the ball well between the 20s.
I think that's the fun part of this time of the year if you're thinking you may be hiring a coach. I watch all of those games and try to learn about the coaches on that level and who would make a good candidate.
 
I wish I had an inkling because I enjoy watching these mid-week games. I thought GJ Kinne's offense was decent last night. They ran the ball a lot more than I expected. The result wasn't great but they moved the ball well between the 20s.
Just second hand info but I was told “head coach experience at multiple schools with at least .600 win percentage”. Now obviously that could all change especially if one of these big time coordinators or retreads are lobbying for the job. Like if the DC from georgia wanted the job, with help from his agent they could put a really good staff together. Same goes with the retreads.

How do you rank these dudes? (not just for WVU but in a in a vacuum) Traylor, Chadwell, Sumrall, Silverfield, Helton, Chesney.
 
WVU does have a big alumni base its just that the alumni base isn't crazy rich. Our alumni just cannot keep up with the Texas and Ahia States. Until college football is fixed then its a moot point where the top 10 money schools will just keep playing each other in the playoff.
But it doesn't trust me, we are tiny to almost all the B10 and SEC schools, we just are....currently on record we have 210k alumni and of this only 15K would be considered active by the Alumni Association. So, let's say you divide that number by 60 years, and we are only 3,5K per graduating year, pretty small. But to be honest, WVU is incredibly fortunate that we get the support we do from our alumni base.....
 
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The two I heard here and privately were that his age was a concern and that his personality and style were too similar to Neal's (bland, conservative, etc). To this point he is proving everyone wrong. But I am interested in how he'll do long-term.
That is exactly my thought. There are plenty of examples of coaches coming out hot in their first year or two. I mean, didn't we all think Dave Aranda was killing it at Baylor?

I want to see Cignetti go thru a recruiting cycle before we overdo it. He appears to be an overlooked coach who finally get his chance but I would pump the brakes.
 
If we had moved on 2 years ago it would have been highly unlikely that Cignetti would have been the choice. That's not on Wren or anyone else, no one was knocking down his door to hire him and it's going to take 3-4 years to find out if IU or everyone else was right.

I remember when Dave Aranda was a great example of how to quickly turn a program around. Cignetti may be a brilliant hire and he's done a good job at IU but the best team they've played is probably Nebraska. We're probably no worse than 6-2 with that schedule, even with Neal Brown making decisions.
 
Just second hand info but I was told “head coach experience at multiple schools with at least .600 win percentage”. Now obviously that could all change especially if one of these big time coordinators or retreads are lobbying for the job. Like if the DC from georgia wanted the job, with help from his agent they could put a really good staff together. Same goes with the retreads.

How do you rank these dudes? (not just for WVU but in a in a vacuum) Traylor, Chadwell, Sumrall, Silverfield, Helton, Chesney.
I would like to watch their teams play a little more, but I'll give a brief overview.

Chesney: solid program builder at small schools. He only appears to have east coast experience. That's a little worrisome, but not a disqualifier.

Helton: solid overall experience all over the map. He's 40-26 in a conference that he should be dominating and he was left in a good spot by Brohm. Overall, not all that impressive.

Silverfield: I like OL coaches in general. Some pro experience along with mostly upper Midwest ties. The only concern would be is in a fertile recruiting ground right now. What would he do when he has to go looking for players?

Sumrall: He's obviously a good relationship builder and easy to work with because he has retreaded himself in a couple different places. He's been in some fertile recruiting ground so that is also a concern. His on-field production so far is stellar.

Chadwell: Unique offense. My concern would be he has never really left the east coast. His on-field production is also stellar.

Traylor: He's a winner but he's never really left the state of Texas. He would help us with our recruiting footprint but how much money do we have to pluck away even the 2nd tier players from Texas? I think he's a good ball coach but I am not sure he's a fit just because Texas is a state that is jam packed with college programs and we'd have trouble pulling from the place where he is the most knowledgeable and recognizable.
 
I would like to watch their teams play a little more, but I'll give a brief overview.

Chesney: solid program builder at small schools. He only appears to have east coast experience. That's a little worrisome, but not a disqualifier.

Helton: solid overall experience all over the map. He's 40-26 in a conference that he should be dominating and he was left in a good spot by Brohm. Overall, not all that impressive.

Silverfield: I like OL coaches in general. Some pro experience along with mostly upper Midwest ties. The only concern would be is in a fertile recruiting ground right now. What would he do when he has to go looking for players?

Sumrall: He's obviously a good relationship builder and easy to work with because he has retreaded himself in a couple different places. He's been in some fertile recruiting ground so that is also a concern. His on-field production so far is stellar.

Chadwell: Unique offense. My concern would be he has never really left the east coast. His on-field production is also stellar.

Traylor: He's a winner but he's never really left the state of Texas. He would help us with our recruiting footprint but how much money do we have to pluck away even the 2nd tier players from Texas? I think he's a good ball coach but I am not sure he's a fit just because Texas is a state that is jam packed with college programs and we'd have trouble pulling from the place where he is the most knowledgeable and recognizable.
I agree with a lot of that. Meant to add Kinne to that list too. I really like him but not sure of the fit. He can also be a little more patient waiting for his next job than most guys.
 
Just second hand info but I was told “head coach experience at multiple schools with at least .600 win percentage”. Now obviously that could all change especially if one of these big time coordinators or retreads are lobbying for the job. Like if the DC from georgia wanted the job, with help from his agent they could put a really good staff together. Same goes with the retreads.

How do you rank these dudes? (not just for WVU but in a in a vacuum) Traylor, Chadwell, Sumrall, Silverfield, Helton, Chesney.
I wouldn’t want any of the names you listed as our Head Coach other than Chadwell and it’s been said that’s probably not happening.
 
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Could hire an even better coach, Rich, for a fraction of the cost.


Cignetti a poor man’s rich.


“quit being so stupid” - Nick Saban
So you suggest hiring a guy that hasn't won since Pat White over a guy winning everywhere he goes...hmmmmm
 
I've been beating this drum for a little bit. Rich would do well here.
It will be another mistake in the long line of mistakes already made to not bring him back or even give it consideration.

I have a hard time believing another up and comer is better than Rich, more affordable or more obtainable. If there are others, I'd like to hear their names and how their credentials top Rich.
 
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If we fire Brown, go big or go home. Cignetti or Bust. No need in hiring another mediocre coach . 9-3 and likely 8-5 or 9-4 this year. Keep Brown or go for the Home Run
Yeah cause we have billions just like Big 10 school.
 
It will be another mistake in the long line of mistakes already made to not bring him back or even give it consideration.

I have a hard time believing another up and comer is better than Rich, more affordable or more obtainable. If there are others, I'd like to hear their names and how their credentials top Rich.
It would be tough, one would think.

In the names I researched today there were some good coaches. I’m not sure they are better than Rich but they’d be good hires. The longevity of some of them is a concern.
 
It would be tough, one would think.

In the names I researched today there were some good coaches. I’m not sure they are better than Rich but they’d be good hires. The longevity of some of them is a concern.
Watching Rod vs Chadwell rn, I really don’t like coaches who wear a visor but I would make an exception for Chadwell but damnit i’m drawing the line at a puka necklace! @MarineMountie Get your boy!
 
Who do you like off the top of your head?
I misspoke and believe Sumrall should be considered. I am more open to hiring a coordinator than most. We need to hire the best candidate available. There aren’t a ton of quality options that are Head Coaches of Group of 5 teams.

Curt Cignetti-I realize how much of a long shot this is, but if there’s the slightest chance he’d consider WVU then you have to make him a say no to Wren’s offer.

Jimbo Fisher-I’ll hear it for this, but I believe he’d win big in the Big 12. I’d want him to hire a play-calling OC. His resume is better than any Head Coach who has ever been at WVU with the exception one of his mentors, Bobby Bowden.

Jamey Chadwell-Offer him $5-5.5 million and see if he has interest in the program. I know he’s waiting for a call from an SEC program, but who knows if and when that happens.

Alex Golesh-He had a lot of success with some explosive offenses at Tennessee and has done a good job rebuilding the USF program. He also has OC experience at UCF even though he didn’t call plays.

John Sumrall-I’d be hesitant because most of his success is at Troy, but he has a good start at Tulane where it’s not easy to win. He also has coordinator experience under Mark Stoops at UK.

Glenn Schumann-There isn’t anyone in college football that has the pedigree or experience he’s had. He coached for Nick Saban and Kirby Smart then just Kirby Smart. He’s been at the two best programs in the country recently and knows how successful programs are run and operate.

Garrett Riley-His offenses are explosive and he’s had success at both TCU and Clemson. He has the ability to use his brother for advice as a resource, which can’t be overlooked.

Andy Kotelnicky-He turned around Kansas with Leipold where there is very limited success historically. His offenses are aggressive and explosive. He has revamped PSU’s offense and is the main reason for their success. He’s creative and his offenses have balance. He is an intense coach and tailors the offense around the players’ strengths.

Will Stein-He’s worked for Bobby Petrino and Tom Herman and had success at UTSA both as an OC and as a team. His offense was #2 in scoring last year and has one of, if not the best offense in the country this season. One drawback is he doesn’t have experience in WVU’s traditional recruiting areas.

Brian Hartline-I realize he doesn’t have any OC experience, but he is an elite recruiter and develops talent. I’d at least like for him to get an interview.

Ryan Silverfield hasn’t had enough sustained success yet.
 
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The two I heard here and privately were that his age was a concern and that his personality and style were too similar to Neal's (bland, conservative, etc) To this point he is proving everyone wrong. But I am interested in how he'll do long-term.
I am interested as well, and I really don’t ever see him coaching at WV. I have watched quite a few videos of the fellow since his rapid success at Indiana, and one thing seems very clear, well actually 2. He is definitely a different cat and quite quirky in some ways, but secondly, it appears he absolutely DEMANDS accountability from everyone one in the program, players AND COACHES.
 
That is exactly my thought. There are plenty of examples of coaches coming out hot in their first year or two. I mean, didn't we all think Dave Aranda was killing it at Baylor?

I want to see Cignetti go thru a recruiting cycle before we overdo it. He appears to be an overlooked coach who finally get his chance but I would pump the brakes.

Larry Coker.
 
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He's one of those guys that fans and the media push out and then later everyone is like, "WTF did we do".


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Like Bill Stewart? 🤣🤣🤣🤣.


Sorry I went there, I shouldn’t have . I didn’t mean to start a giant fire.
A majority of the fan base wanted it from the day he was hired. By year three, it was likely pushing 80%. I sincerely doubt you’d find more than a tiny handful who ever changed their minds..
 
A majority of the fan base wanted it from the day he was hired. By year three, it was likely pushing 80%. I sincerely doubt you’d find more than a tiny handful who ever changed their minds..
I often wonder how things would have went if Stew bought into the hciw and dana wasn’t such a manchild.
 
Watching Rod vs Chadwell rn, I really don’t like coaches who wear a visor but I would make an exception for Chadwell but damnit i’m drawing the line at a puka necklace! @MarineMountie Get your boy!

Chadwell looks to have a slight talent issue this year. They are still 6-1 but he isn’t dominating this season.

I still like Chadwell as the next guy. Sumrall is intriguing as well.

Rich Rod would be fine I think as a 3 to 4 year rental on a friendly contract.
 
Chadwell looks to have a slight talent issue this year. They are still 6-1 but he isn’t dominating this season.

I still like Chadwell as the next guy. Sumrall is intriguing as well.

Rich Rod would be fine I think as a 3 to 4 year rental on a friendly contract.
Yep, I wonder if him having a difficult year (relatively speaking) will speed up his desire to move up. He would be a dream come true for WVU. He can dial up an offense, what I like most about it is it seems adaptable with the times, a lot of really old school run concepts but he’s molded it with modern looks. I do kind of worry if his offense is too ‘jack of all trades , master of none’ ? So many different formations. Mean while Rich is showing more efficiency with a staple of core plays.

welp, that should do it. Fighting Richrods pull it out!
 
Welp…looks like a bunch of sled dogs banded together and beat some thoroughbreds
fun game! rod has them dudes playin like some dogs for sure. Jax st offensive line was punishing them dropping bodies. If jax state didn’t commit so many costly penalties, it could have been a blow out. After watching Texas a&m game last weekend and this game tonight , damnit I’m ready for a run first offense.
 
fun game! rod has them dudes playin like some dogs for sure. Jax st offensive line was punishing them dropping bodies. If jax state didn’t commit so many costly penalties, it could have been a blow out. After watching Texas a&m game last weekend and this game tonight , damnit I’m ready for a run first offense.
I don’t give a shit what we do as long as we give ourselves a chance in big games. I’m so tired of us being flat. Having Trickett mentoring young coaches is working.
 
I often wonder how things would have went if Stew bought into the hciw and dana wasn’t such a manchild.

Just seemed destined for failure from the start.

Even at the time, i remembered thinking, “how’s this going to be successful?”
It’s probably the cynic in me, and I’m massively in the minority regarding this, but I’m pretty sure it went down just about how it was intended.

For all practical purposes Stew was done the day Ollie was hired. It just took on a bit more urgency on the morning of 5/18/11(and with the reporting over the next week).

The subject had to be changed, and it successfully was.
 
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