Those of you against the Big XII and dreaming up conferences...

[OmarLittle]

Does not change the fact that Texas is loaded with talent and that Baylor is a hot commodity at the moment.

exactly, and not very long ago at all they were about 12th on those kids wish list. now they are behind only A&M

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

At the moment. Once upon not so long ago a time, Baylor was a lesser commodity than Texas, A&M, Tech, TCU, SMU and even Houston in Texas football. It also had to and has to compete against out-of-state schools for Texas players.

From 1995-2009, number of bowl appearances: ZERO.

From 1987-2010, number of ranked seasons: ZERO.

From 1952-2013, number of top 10 finishes: ZERO

1993-2007: overall record 54-126; conference record 23-94

All time, Baylor is 3-21 against Oklahoma, 29-74 against Texas, 31-68 against A&M.

It's on a 6 game winning streak, but only 11-4 overall against Kansas. It's only 7-6 against Iowa State. Despite winning 3 in a row it's only 5-7 against KSU.

It's been in Texas and had a large endowment for its size the whole time.

Art Briles was not established as an elite coach in 2008. He'd gone 34-28 in 5 years at Houston. I'm pretty sure Baylor fans are happy they didn't keep Morris just because there was no guarantee a new coach would improve things and Briles was a CUSA coach who never lost fewer than 4 games a year and had zero bowl victories.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

this is just 100% false, not to ruffle feathers but where do you come up with that?

ACC on its worst day is better than where we were in the big east post-2003. And fan support is really soaring, though the fans i give a crap about never left.
the attendance thing never resonates with me, but ill address it. justin beiber sells more songs in a month than jimi hendrix did in his life, and psu has a lot of old men buying their sweatshirts. doesn't bother me.

But attendance likely will be better than any year since the 59k and change Pitt averaged in 2003, the last year the big east was a real football conference.

If fan support is soaring then why is Heinz Field empty when Pitt is playing? The empty stadium is worth more than 1000 postings trying to deny reality. If Pitt has 60,000 fans at their game then WVU must have 100,000 and Penn State must have 250,000.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

"When I hear a big-time college football program tout their facilities as that much better than their competitors, I imagine some lowly state school buried somewhere in Appalachia where the football players are stuck pushing wheelbarrows full of rocks and chopping down trees like Rocky training for a fight with Ivan Drago. "Boy", I think to myself. "I don't know how School X gets it done with their guys curling milk jugs full of water and studying game film that is actually on film. Must be tough."



And then I snap out of it, come back to reality and do a quick Google search. I pull up the football facilities at Rutgers, Wake Forest and Washington State. Who would have ever thought, but these Power 5 institutions have real, actual modern facilities that rival the old, traditional powers? It's almost like they've invested some of the television revenue back into the program in order to upgrade and stay competitive! My mind is blown!



Seriously, though. It's 2015. Everybody has shiny new things in college football. The days of any of your peers not having those things are long gone, and with them, the notion that bragging about your facilities should be anywhere near the part of your recruiting pitch where you move in to seal the deal."

Baylor played at an off campus stadium and the attendance and game day environment were awful before they built the new stadium. You are crazy if you don't think that a new on campus stadium doesn't help recruiting.

 

[OmarLittle]

Baylor played at an off campus stadium and the attendance and game day environment were awful before they built the new stadium. You are crazy if you don't think that a new on campus stadium doesn't help recruiting.

If fan support is soaring then why is Heinz Field empty when Pitt is playing? The empty stadium is worth more than 1000 postings trying to deny reality. If Pitt has 60,000 fans at their game then WVU must have 100,000 and Penn State must have 250,000.

Here is the problem with having fun debating here. I'm not a super regular but a lot here would recognize me as a quasi wvu fan, but a pitt fan first. I go to wvu games, my brothers a grad, and i want them in the ACC with us.

But Pitt has better attendance than Baylor. but theirs is soaring, and our support is 'lowest its been in years'. Something doesn't become true just because you say it a million times, or FSU and Clemson would be in the big 12. Sorry.

I hate these debates because at the root, I don't care. Justin Bieber sells more albums in a month than Jimi Hendrix did in his lifetime..it never made me buy a Bieber album, and it won't get me to Creepy Valley to watch a game. But be honest. I know Pitt lies..everyone else doesn't. even when holgerson called you out, you were sold out and everyone showed up?

And btw next PSU home game, look close. They don't have 100k+ or near that at most of them..

 

[wbgvwbgv]

You are really stuck on these Bieber analogies. Heinz Field wasn't even 1/2 full the last game Pitt played and the reported attendance was a joke ( most schools report the correct attendance numbers ). As much as you would like to ignore real attendance numbers, the empty stadium with the bright yellow chairs are there for everyone to see. And I have read some of your postings on the Panty-Lair and I wouldn't really say that you are any kind of WVU fan.

Pitt's next game is at Syracuse and their attendance problem and fan support is as bad as Pitt's attendance problem. Maybe the traveling Pitt fans will help them get over 30,000 on Saturday (another joke).

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Has Baylor's new stadium help elevate the program, or did the elevation of the program create the support to build the new stadium? Or, is it overly simplistic to say one caused the other?

The new stadium just opened last year; this was our first game in it. In 2013, there were more people at the game than fit in the new stadium and the crowd sure seemed pretty enthusiastic as I watched.

The new stadium might help a lot in sustaining the momentum for Baylor but it likely wouldn't have been built if the team had not already greatly improved.

 

[DubVeeTexan]

Has Baylor's new stadium help elevate the program, or did the elevation of the program create the support to build the new stadium? Or, is it overly simplistic to say one caused the other?

The new stadium just opened last year; this was our first game in it. In 2013, there were more people at the game than fit in the new stadium and the crowd sure seemed pretty enthusiastic as I watched.

The new stadium might help a lot in sustaining the momentum for Baylor but it likely wouldn't have been built if the team had not already greatly improved.

The stadium was built because former Astros owner Drayton McLane (Baylor Alum) sold his MLB team and donated 260 million dollars to the program to build it. Thus the name "McLane Stadium". I don't think it's a chicken or the egg argument at all, the stadium was going to get built regardless because their old stadium was a piece of garbage.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

The stadium was built because former Astros owner Drayton McLane (Baylor Alum) sold his MLB team and donated 260 million dollars to the program to build it. Thus the name "McLane Stadium". I don't think it's a chicken or the egg argument at all, the stadium was going to get built regardless because their old stadium was a piece of garbage.

This is our free idiot board full of Pitt and Marshall 24/7 trolls. Facts are not allowed here.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

I'd call that ironic, but sadly it's not opposite of what one would expect here.

One might point to things in this thread as idiocy, if one were unkind, just not what you think.

TheMcClane family didn't donate $260 million to build the new stadium. It donated $ 35 million. (less than 15%) to kickstart the fundraising drive. Very generous, no doubt, but, the post you cite as "fact" was very untrue and the actual facts show the meed for broad based support from the Baylor community to build the stadium.

I don't need an applogy but will suggest you make sure you are not being an idiot befoe calling others one. (I feel no need to be kind to you because you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt)

 

[DubVeeTexan]

http://www.forbes.com/profile/drayton-mclane-jr/

I apologize for my citation of 260, it appears it was 200. I haven't been able to find anything that shows the exact dollar amount allocated.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

200 million might be what he has donated to Baylor generally in his lifetime. The amount he put forth for the stadium is a fraction of that.

http://baylorlariat.com/2014/01/29/viewpoint-mclane-name-suitable-for-new-stadium/


http://baylorlariat.com/2012/03/20/alum-wife-make-capital-gift-to-stadium/

From the man himself

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-244175.html

Baylor had not even reached $100 million counting his and all the other donations made at the time of that article. Tell me again how wide support sparked by its performance under Briles had nothing to do with it.

 

[DubVeeTexan]

200 million might be what he has donated to Baylor generally in his lifetime. The amount he put forth for the stadium is a fraction of that.

http://baylorlariat.com/2014/01/29/viewpoint-mclane-name-suitable-for-new-stadium/


http://baylorlariat.com/2012/03/20/alum-wife-make-capital-gift-to-stadium/

From the man himself

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-244175.html

Baylor had not even reached $100 million counting his and all the other donations made at the time of that article. Tell me again how wide support sparked by its performance under Briles had nothing to do with it.

This is still a lot of speculation. Nowhere have I seen the 35 million or 25 million quoted. Unless we see his tax returns we will not know. As a private university they don't have to tell us squat so I wouldn't be surprised if we were both wrong in some form or fashion. That being said, since we still don't have a firm number to go off of we can say it was Baylor success or we can say it was for general tax purposes since his capital gains that year would be higher than 500 million and take a huge tax hit. Could be both...

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Clue: when the school says " more than 20" it isn't saying 4 or 5 times that.

When it says all donations to date including other very large ones from sources other than McClane " approach" 100, it's giving you another clue.

Obviously, the vast majority of the money did not come from him.

Ihave no rral quarrel with you. I assume you just made an innocent, if huge, mistake. Mycr criticism was directed to the foolish idiot whonot only relied on your mistake but attaked in doing so when he was the one his own post described.