These states are observing Confederate Memorial Day today

[Boomboom521]

A war between the states which ended over 150 years ago and some activists want to remove memorials to ancestors of those living in the south. Instead of removing only the statue of southern soldiers we should remove memorials of all soldiers and all wars. That way we wouldn't have to worry about war again...

I dont know.....for me, it obviously doesn’t have anything’s to do with preventing war. And it doesn’t have to do with erasing history either. It has to do with overt national pride, and stemming the persistence of racism. No, not just white people hating black people, but the other way around as well. When a teenaged African-American sees school is closed to honor the Confederacy, they aren’t interested in arguments of states rights versus slavery as the motivation for the Civil War, they (with legitimate reasons) will often see it as the celebration of a heritage that proudly subjugated their own ancestors.

I think it’s hard to feel protected by and pride in government when thinking that way. I think it can lead to sense of mistrust and anger towards that heritage, that government, and that group of men and women that fiercely seek to maintain the heritage.

Now....although I respect the process of local government honoring the wishes of its constituents.....and this is not a national Holliday. I don’t think it helps with the lingering stentch of racism in this nation.

 

[countryroads89]

A war between the rebellious, confederate states who wanted to secede from the United States of America and actually fought a war against the United States of America which ended over 150 years ago and some sane people want to remove memorials to traitors and those who desired to continue the enslavement of African-Americans and by keeping up those memorials, we make them heroes. Of course we should remove every statue that makes heroes of traitors and those who fought for enslavement of other human beings.

FIFY

 

[Airport]

I dont know.....for me, it obviously doesn’t have anything’s to do with preventing war. And it doesn’t have to do with erasing history either. It has to do with overt national pride, and stemming the persistence of racism. No, not just white people hating black people, but the other way around as well. When a teenaged African-American sees school is closed to honor the Confederacy, they aren’t interested in arguments of states rights versus slavery as the motivation for the Civil War, they (with legitimate reasons) will often see it as the celebration of a heritage that proudly subjugated their own ancestors.

I think it’s hard to feel protected by and pride in government when thinking that way. I think it can lead to sense of mistrust and anger towards that heritage, that government, and that group of men and women that fiercely seek to maintain the heritage.

Now....although I respect the process of local government honoring the wishes of its constituents.....and this is not a national Holliday. I don’t think it helps with the lingering stentch of racism in this nation.

It should not be a day off from school.

 

[Op2]

Yesterday is gone so it's no longer Confederate Memorial Day. So what it is now? Confederate Valentine's Day? Confederate Thanksgiving? Maybe Confederate Scraggly Beard Day.

I know that this Friday, April 27 is. It's Confederate Get Your Asses Kicked Day because it's Ulysses S. Grant's 196th birthday.

 

[mneilmont]

Yesterday is gone so it's no longer Confederate Memorial Day. So what it is now? Confederate Valentine's Day? Confederate Thanksgiving? Maybe Confederate Scraggly Beard Day.

I know that this Friday, April 27 is. It's Confederate Get Your Asses Kicked Day because it's Ulysses S. Grant's 196th birthday.

Do you, or do you not observe MLK in Jan each year. Should that be "let go" and "move on"? I remember the offense, but do we need a holiday for the entire country to observe? Is Confederate Day in the south as well observed as MLK day is observed in US? Most people truly celebrate their day in South. A hell of a lot of people simply do not realize why thate is a MLK day observed. That is both black and white..

You are making a faulty assumption about the Confederate Day. It is meaningful to a large percent of the people and the slavery issue is without meaning to large percent in the South. We grieved for the people killed in church. Also saw a major problem of officer shooting unarmed man in the back. Black is not the issue in those two cases. The act itself is the issue. Everyone should be allowed to feel safe in church. Person should not be shot in back for panicking over a traffic violation. Hate crime should not be a factor. Both should be judged on the merits of the case.

 

[moe]

Do you, or do you not observe MLK in Jan each year. Should that be "let go" and "move on"? I remember the offense, but do we need a holiday for the entire country to observe? Is Confederate Day in the south as well observed as MLK day is observed in US? Most people truly celebrate their day in South. A hell of a lot of people simply do not realize why thate is a MLK day observed. That is both black and white..

You are making a faulty assumption about the Confederate Day. It is meaningful to a large percent of the people and the slavery issue is without meaning to large percent in the South. We grieved for the people killed in church. Also saw a major problem of officer shooting unarmed man in the back. Black is not the issue in those two cases. The act itself is the issue. Everyone should be allowed to feel safe in church. Person should not be shot in back for panicking over a traffic violation. Hate crime should not be a factor. Both should be judged on the merits of the case.

You and Airplane should hang out.

 

[mneilmont]

You and Airplane should hang out.

And you should just hang for attempting
to incite a riot. Maybe pair up with a snake and go into your hole. Seriously, you should take your blinders off and look at the whole picture if you have the capacity to see more than one side.

 

[MountaineerWV]

And you should just hang for attempting
to incite a riot. Maybe pair up with a snake and go into your hole. Seriously, you should take your blinders off and look at the whole picture if you have the capacity to see more than one side.

Confederates = Traitors

They deserve no respect......no protection.......

 

[rog1187]

Sometimes it does. In this case, no. That a group that formed its own nation, raised an army against the US Government in order to preserve an economy based largely on slave labor and denying liberty to thousands of individuals is more American than men and women that advocate for ideals you don’t agree with is a foolish assertion.

If they had only been regulated to allow ownership of sling shots and not weapons of war, the civil war would have never happened

 

[bornaneer]

You and Airplane should hang out.

Is there room at your circle jerk with country,keyser and mwv?

 

[moe]

And you should just hang for attempting
to incite a riot. Maybe pair up with a snake and go into your hole. Seriously, you should take your blinders off and look at the whole picture if you have the capacity to see more than one side.

To me, it's surprising that you'd equate MLK day with Confederate Memorial Day. MLK stood for human rights, particularly the rights of black people while Confederates went to war to preserve/continue the slavery of black people.

 

[Op2]

Do you, or do you not observe MLK in Jan each year. Should that be "let go" and "move on"? I remember the offense, but do we need a holiday for the entire country to observe? Is Confederate Day in the south as well observed as MLK day is observed in US? Most people truly celebrate their day in South. A hell of a lot of people simply do not realize why thate is a MLK day observed. That is both black and white..

You are making a faulty assumption about the Confederate Day. It is meaningful to a large percent of the people and the slavery issue is without meaning to large percent in the South. We grieved for the people killed in church. Also saw a major problem of officer shooting unarmed man in the back. Black is not the issue in those two cases. The act itself is the issue. Everyone should be allowed to feel safe in church. Person should not be shot in back for panicking over a traffic violation. Hate crime should not be a factor. Both should be judged on the merits of the case.

This is just plain silly. Anybody is allowed to remember anybody the like. This has nothing to do with that.

We had a country for abut 80 years. And then part of if broke away and called themselves X. And then after a four year way they came back. And now 150 years they're having X Days for this and that. IT...IS...PATENTLY...RIDICULOUS!

And it's extra patently ridiculous since the people in question were by definition as anti-American as could be (since they tried to break away from America and start a separate country) and yet the same people that celebrate the day are the ones that are hyper-patriotic with regards to being American.

 

[mneilmont]

To me, it's surprising that you'd equate MLK day with Confederate Memorial Day. MLK stood for human rights, particularly the rights of black people while Confederates went to war to preserve/continue the slavery of black people.

I will set your stuff aside and go straight to Opie. But quickly, there were a hell of a lot of families destroyed when those Confederate Rebs killed.

 

[MountaineerWV]

This is just plain silly. Anybody is allowed to remember anybody the like. This has nothing to do with that.

We had a country for abut 80 years. And then part of if broke away and called themselves X. And then after a four year way they came back. And now 150 years they're having X Days for this and that. IT...IS...PATENTLY...RIDICULOUS!

And it's extra patently ridiculous since the people in question were by definition as anti-American as could be (since they tried to break away from America and start a separate country) and yet the same people that celebrate the day are the ones that are hyper-patriotic with regards to being American.

Remember, the same people that say "MAGA" on here are also the ones defending the Confederates for trying to destroy America.........Odd?

 

[Op2]

I will set your stuff aside and go straight to Opie. But quickly, there were a hell of a lot of families destroyed when those Confederate Rebs killed.

There were also a hell of a lot of families destroyed by the people those Confederate Rebs, both during the war and in the few centuries of slavery before that.

But all that aside, so what? You can honor anyone, including your long dead relatives, anytime you want, including on regular Memorial Day. What is the point of a separate Confederate Memorial Day?

 

[bornaneer]

Remember, the same people that say "MAGA" on here are also the ones defending the Confederates for trying to destroy America.........Odd?

Idiot......you just cannot help yourself. BTW .......I am and have been AGAINST any form of honoring the traitors.........roads.statues.names and special days.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Idiot......you just cannot help yourself.

 

[Airport]

To me, it's surprising that you'd equate MLK day with Confederate Memorial Day. MLK stood for human rights, particularly the rights of black people while Confederates went to war to preserve/continue the slavery of black people.

He also was an unabashed socialist.

 

[bornaneer]

Weak.

 

[Airport]

You and Airplane should hang out.

You have never seen me take the confederate side.

 

[mneilmont]

This is just plain silly. Anybody is allowed to remember anybody the like. This has nothing to do with that.

We had a country for abut 80 years. And then part of if broke away and called themselves X. And then after a four year way they came back. And now 150 years they're having X Days for this and that. IT...IS...PATENTLY...RIDICULOUS!

And it's extra patently ridiculous since the people in question were by definition as anti-American as could be (since they tried to break away from America and start a separate country) and yet the same people that celebrate the day are the ones that are hyper-patriotic with regards to being American.

You are the one being hyper, IMO. They are being patriotic to those who fought for and died for the South. 150 years ago probably some distant cousins, and they absolutely have a right to pay homage to those family members. I see that as much loyal to family as MLK day to an icon.

This is part of what Southerners fought for. A few years before they fought for freedom from British. They were willing to fight for their freedom again. North led US government was going to dictate terms to South. Still North wants to dictate terms to the South. Even the right to celebrate heritage is questioned and you want to persecute those who do choose to celebrate.

You say move on from the past , but you want force the entire country to celebrate one day in January because of something that happened in the past.

I think Mr Lincoln said move forward and do not persecute the South. They did actually move on. Now we come to this day and individuals think they have the right to tell everyone what is right and wrong. Friendly advise is to move on and forget about the past as much as you can. It doesn't seem that some have moved forward at all when you want to keep a national holiday to honor MLK while removing statues of brave soldiers who fought the good fight.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I cannot believe this thread is still going. Good lord.

 

[Op2]

You are the one being hyper, IMO. They are being patriotic to those who fought for and died for the South. 150 years ago probably some distant cousins, and they absolutely have a right to pay homage to those family members. I see that as much loyal to family as MLK day to an icon.

This is part of what Southerners fought for. A few years before they fought for freedom from British. They were willing to fight for their freedom again. North led US government was going to dictate terms to South. Still North wants to dictate terms to the South. Even the right to celebrate heritage is questioned and you want to persecute those who do choose to celebrate.

You say move on from the past , but you want force the entire country to celebrate one day in January because of something that happened in the past.

I think Mr Lincoln said move forward and do not persecute the South. They did actually move on. Now we come to this day and individuals think they have the right to tell everyone what is right and wrong. Friendly advise is to move on and forget about the past as much as you can. It doesn't seem that some have moved forward at all when you want to keep a national holiday to honor MLK while removing statues of brave soldiers who fought the good fight.

You say they're being patriotic. But they're being patriotic TO A COUNTRY OTHER THAN THE USA!!! That's like saying that Osama bin Laden was being patriotic when those guys flew planes into the WTC. They were being patriotic...towards Islamic fundamentalism and against the USA. Confederates were being patriotic...towards the CSA and against the USA.

 

[Op2]

I cannot believe this thread is still going. Good lord.

I can't believe Confederate stuff is still going in in 2016. When I look at other countries wracked by Civil War I think to myself, why can't these people get over their differences? And then I realize that the USA, which has a relatively peaceful history, has a chunk of people that still can't get over a war from 150 years ago (fought to preserve something that people universally find repugnant today BTW) and suddenly those people in those other countries don't look so crazy.

 

[mneilmont]

To me, it's surprising that you'd equate MLK day with Confederate Memorial Day. MLK stood for human rights, particularly the rights of black people while Confederates went to war to preserve/continue the slavery of black people.

Are you suggesting that all the Rebs killed were slave owners? That is BS and I think you know it. There was a hell of a lot more involved to carry a fight to someone with over two to one man odds and superior fire power. I fully understand revisionist history has been written by liberal authors, but it makes absolutely no since to me to continue that battle just because big plantations had slaves.. You have to believe the Rebs like slavery and the plantation owners to substantially commit suicide to protect slavery rights. Damned tough sell for me.

 

[moe]

You have never seen me take the confederate side.

You don't like black people and apparently neither does mneilmont so I thought you all made a good pair.

 

[mneilmont]

You say they're being patriotic. But they're being patriotic TO A COUNTRY OTHER THAN THE USA!!! That's like saying that Osama bin Laden was being patriotic when those guys flew planes into the WTC. They were being patriotic...towards Islamic fundamentalism and against the USA. Confederates were being patriotic...towards the CSA and against the USA.

Actually they were fighting for the same land that was fought for when they were under Brits. That cannot be that difficult to comprehend. Osama argument is BS comparison . Osame and pilots forebearers never fought for the New World like those of the South did. You offer no valid argument of comparison.

 

[Op2]

Are you suggesting that all the Rebs killed were slave owners? That is BS and I think you know it. There was a hell of a lot more involved to carry a fight to someone with over two to one man odds and superior fire power. I fully understand revisionist history has been written by liberal authors, but it makes absolutely no since to me to continue that battle just because big plantations had slaves.. You have to believe the Rebs like slavery and the plantation owners to substantially commit suicide to protect slavery rights. Damned tough sell for me.

They weren't all slave owners but they were all most definitely fighting to preserve slavery.

Let's hear your version. Supposed the CSA won their independence in 1865. When and how would slavery on the North American continent have ended?

 

[mneilmont]

You don't like black people and apparently neither does mneilmont so I thought you all made a good pair.

To the contrary, some black people I am very fond of. The blackness has zero application. I like the people because of who they are. I will not allow you to put color tags on anything related to me.

 

[mneilmont]

They weren't all slave owners but they were all most definitely fighting to preserve slavery.

Let's hear your version. Supposed the CSA won their independence in 1865. When and how would slavery on the North American continent have ended?

If you know "they were all most definitely fighting to preserve slavery", you can tell me why a man put himself and his family at risk. Why, what did "ALL" have to gain?

The ordinary man had a little plot to farm enough to maintain life. Now he is going to abandon everything he has including family, to go and die for someone else's right to own slaves? That is what you believe and expect me to believe?

 

[Op2]

If you know "they were all most definitely fighting to preserve slavery", you can tell me why a man put himself and his family at risk. Why, what did "ALL" have to gain?

The ordinary man had a little plot to farm enough to maintain life. Now he is going to abandon everything he has including family, to go and die for someone else's right to own slaves? That is what you believe and expect me to believe?

Yes, that is what I expect you to believe, because it's true. As in most wars, the bulk of regular folk did the fighting, not the elites. If the regular farmer that owned a small plot of land and did not have slaves refused to fight then there would not have been a war.

Furthermore, the regular farmer that owned a small plot of land and no slaves wasn't a non-slave-owner due to principle but rather due to economics. If his small farming was lucrative enough and he got more and more money then he would have bought slaves. That was the dream. That's what the whole southern economy was based on, namely more and more efficient ways to farm (and getting slaves to do the work is about as efficient as it gets).

Read some history books. Slavery had been an issue for decades and more and more it was becoming an issue due to the question of whether the western territories becoming states would be permitted to have slavery.

Lincoln won the 1860 election. If he had campaigned on "Let the South have slavery if they want" and still won then THE SOUTH WOULD NOT HAVE SECEDED.

 

[mneilmont]

There were also a hell of a lot of families destroyed by the people those Confederate Rebs, both during the war and in the few centuries of slavery before that.

But all that aside, so what? You can honor anyone, including your long dead relatives, anytime you want, including on regular Memorial Day. What is the point of a separate Confederate Memorial Day?

Do you think shit like this is why they were willing to fight another war. They wanted the freedom to make their own decisions what was right for them. But you want to be the one to tell them when and how to celebrate the event.

Yes, they were and are Americans. They fought the battle to gain that right.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Good for them. Many probably have ancestors who fought for the confederacy..

traitors.

 

[mneilmont]

There were also a hell of a lot of families destroyed by the people those Confederate Rebs, both during the war and in the few centuries of slavery before that.

But all that aside, so what? You can honor anyone, including your long dead relatives, anytime you want, including on regular Memorial Day. What is the point of a separate Confederate Memorial Day?

Why does that bother you? They want to take more than one day to celebrate. There is another event that is celebrated around Lent Season that lasts longer than one day. Why do you think you have the right to impose your desires on others?

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Do you think shit like this is why they were willing to fight another war. They wanted the freedom to make their own decisions what was right for them. But you want to be the one to tell them when and how to celebrate the event.

Yes, they were and are Americans. They fought the battle to gain that right.

ok

 

[moe]

To the contrary, some black people I am very fond of. The blackness has zero application. I like the people because of who they are. I will not allow you to put color tags on anything related to me.

You equate MLK day with Confederate Memorial Day and see no reason for MLK to have a special day so I'm putting you down as not liking black people, just like Airhead.

 

[dave]

To me, it's surprising that you'd equate MLK day with Confederate Memorial Day. MLK stood for human rights, particularly the rights of black people while Confederates went to war to preserve/continue the slavery of black people.

And here people were saying you were dumb.

 

[Op2]

Do you think shit like this is why they were willing to fight another war. They wanted the freedom to make their own decisions what was right for them. But you want to be the one to tell them when and how to celebrate the event.

Yes, they were and are Americans. They fought the battle to gain that right.

They wanted the freedom to make their own decisions, such as the decision to deny others the freedom to make their own decisions.

 

[Boomboom521]

Do you, or do you not observe MLK in Jan each year. Should that be "let go" and "move on"? I remember the offense, but do we need a holiday for the entire country to observe? Is Confederate Day in the south as well observed as MLK day is observed in US? Most people truly celebrate their day in South. A hell of a lot of people simply do not realize why thate is a MLK day observed. That is both black and white..

You are making a faulty assumption about the Confederate Day. It is meaningful to a large percent of the people and the slavery issue is without meaning to large percent in the South. We grieved for the people killed in church. Also saw a major problem of officer shooting unarmed man in the back. Black is not the issue in those two cases. The act itself is the issue. Everyone should be allowed to feel safe in church. Person should not be shot in back for panicking over a traffic violation. Hate crime should not be a factor. Both should be judged on the merits of the case.

MLK was a great American and, imo, deserves a Holliday.

 

[Boomboom521]

If they had only been regulated to allow ownership of sling shots and not weapons of war, the civil war would have never happened

Or if they had abolished slavery in honor of the “all men are created equal” sentiment of our nation’s creation.