Then you are a hypocrite. If it is the "child's body", then how it got there is irrelevant-including rape and incest. You obviously have no principles.
These anti-choice zealots are over the top....
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That is above my pay grade. It's a complex issue with many factors which should be taken into consideration. But it should be a decision between the woman and her doctor. Nobody else. I heard someone once say that if men could get pregnant, you'd be able to get an abortion at a drive-thru. Yet it is men who continue to try to make decisions for women relating to the very delicate, complex issue unique to their sex.
Saying he has no principles when you would allow abortions in the 9th month and for any reason is the height of hypocrisy.
Where did I say that? But I will say this, if a woman discovers that her life will be in jeopardy during the last trimester if she delivers and decides to abort, who am I to argue otherwise?
Again, I asked you when an unborn child is deserving of protection and you said it's the woman's choice which means at any time for any reason. I agree that a woman's life is a good reason to end a pregnancy.
My personal opinion, is during the last trimester when the fetus would be viable outside the womb. But I can see how there could be exceptions to this for a variety of reasons. It is complex.
What I find somewhat funny is that there is another new thread here about food stamps. Here we have wingnuts bitching about abortion and at the same time bitching about food stamps. Wingnuts don't want to help anyone get contraceptives, want to force every women to carry the pregnancy to term, and if they do and they can't afford to, tough shit, you're on your own. I guess in the religious zealot wingnut mind, that's God's punishment for having sex out of wedlock.
Except for the life of the mother and devastating fetal abnormality, what exceptions make it complex in the last trimester where you would support the abortion?
Let's take 1/3 of your paycheck; that shouldn't be that much of an impact.
Shaking my head. I think stupid is contagious among you wingnuts.
I don't think it's hypocritical at all. I think its understanding of a complex issue that is not black and white. Yes there are cases where abortion is a logical choice, specifically in the instances I listed. I would support legislation the earmarked those instances. What I don't support is this fallacy of it being a woman's choice being a catchall for what amounts to birth control after the fact. This extends to basically my core belief system with every aspect of society.
You make choices and you have to live with them. I don't believe in removing accountability for actions and choices.
There you have it, the typical motivation of the wingnut mind in opposition to choice....punishment.
Only you would read accountability and or bearing a child as punishment. My motivation is money. I'm not in favor of paying for someone else's poor choices in life. I take care of my responsibilities. It's not my responsibility to take care of some strap hanger. Only through accountability can you expect change. We've tried it your way, for damn near 60 years. Would you say it's been successful? I mean there is no poverty and people are making good choices right? Don't confuse what I'm saying as eliminating either, that's the other extreme you idiots try to run to.
I'm all for helping someone who has fallen on hard times and is trying to pull out of. I'm not in favor of sustaining malingering.
You said "Since aparently only 33% of their total funding is Federal Grants, then that shouldn't be that much of an impact of their overall budget".
The proposal by the wingnuts is to eliminate ALL federal funding.
Keep digging.
We do it every damn day with the murderers that are incarcerated. Wah. Get over it.
Did I suggest we follow the proposals to cut all federal funding? Nope. Cut 3% of the federal funding, representing the percentage of Abortion services. That's only 3% of the 33% that they supposedly receive from the Federal Government. Not 1/3.
Did you really just equate people incarcerated in prison with malingering welfare cases? Is that really what I just read? WOW! I'll wait for an answer before I destroy this one. I'm certain thats not what you meant.
But you do understand that NO federal tax dollars are used for abortions?
Do you not understand that I acknowledged that in my response to Coop?
Can you elaborate a little? I think I know what you're saying, but the way I'm reading this it sounds like you're opposed to tax payer money being used for abortion. Somebody else pointed it out and I recall reading it myself that no federal funding at PP is for abortions.
So from that aspect, you'd only be paying for somebody else's poor choices in life if the child was born into poverty or to a drug addicted parent and then you'd be paying for HUD vouchers and food stamps and welfare and everything else through the kid's life.
That's how I'm reading this, but I don't think it's exactly what you're getting at.
You are reading correctly. I am ok with sustaining a child once born. Not your typical "wingnut" stance as I understand exogenous factors impact a child's development in life. My issue stems with malingering. People who can work and don't. As previously stated in the thread, if Fed money is not used for abortions, I'm good.
OK, thanks. I thought that was more in line with what you were saying but it actually wasn't how I was reading it. I was indeed reading it wrong.
No matter, I get what you're saying and agree completely.
Not to mention buildings, electricity, internet, equipment, and all other infrastructure necessary for an abortion clinic. errr, I mean women's health services.
If you religious nuts were as concerned about the poor and the sick as much as you are about abortion, the world would probably be a better place.
You have no idea what I care about, give time or money to, or don't. All you know is what's on a message board. Again, words in mouth.
If intolerants like you were as concerned about the poor and the sick as much as you are about abortion, the world would definitely be a better place. Did some Tennessee snakehandler do something to you when growing up?
I agree, but add why wouldn't you help the babies being aborted? We're not talking about a morning after pill being used to prevent a pregnanacy. We're talking about babies being killed and thier body parts being sold.
Rape and incest account for less than 1 percent of all abortions. The anti baby folks live to focus on that small fraction of cases as an excuse to use abortion as birth control.
