These anti-choice zealots are over the top....

[RichardPeterJohnson]

with their edited undercover video. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. If the patient wants to donate the tissue for research to help fight alzheimers, parkinsons, ms, etc, what is wrong with that? I'd say it would be irresponsible not to. Just like it is irresponsible not to donate your organs when you die. If you can help someone, why wouldn't you?

 

[EERs 3:16]

with their edited undercover video. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. If the patient wants to donate the tissue for research to help fight alzheimers, parkinsons, ms, etc, what is wrong with that? I'd say it would be irresponsible not to. Just like it is irresponsible not to donate your organs when you die. If you can help someone, why wouldn't you?[/QUI

Is the tissue in question being donated or sold w/o prior knowledge or consent?

 

[Mntneer]

with their edited undercover video. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. If the patient wants to donate the tissue for research to help fight alzheimers, parkinsons, ms, etc, what is wrong with that? I'd say it would be irresponsible not to. Just like it is irresponsible not to donate your organs when you die. If you can help someone, why wouldn't you?

I'm fully pro-choice, but this Planned Parenthood story is awful. These Doctors are clearly looking to alter the abortion procedure in order to maximize a personal financial return. It has more to do with their bottom line than medical research.

 

[TarHeelEer]

with their edited undercover video. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. If the patient wants to donate the tissue for research to help fight alzheimers, parkinsons, ms, etc, what is wrong with that? I'd say it would be irresponsible not to. Just like it is irresponsible not to donate your organs when you die. If you can help someone, why wouldn't you?

That isn't the issue, and you know it. PP is allegedly profiting from the baby parts, contrary to federal law and notifications to the patient. PP didn't hire a PR firm for this issue just for the fun of it. More tapes to come.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

That isn't the issue, and you know it. PP is allegedly profiting from the baby parts, contrary to federal law and notifications to the patient. PP didn't hire a PR firm for this issue just for the fun of it. More tapes to come.

Should be easy to prove and I'm not talking about edited tapes. Look at their books. I assume they are open, no?

 

[WVUBRU]

Should be easy to prove and I'm not talking about edited tapes. Look at their books. I assume they are open, no?

Politicians and political pundits pushing agendas are not interested in the truth or what is proven. They want to make the other side look bad at all costs including destroying important parts of society which PP does do with women healthcare for many that is reliant on the organization. So, they will kneejerk reactions in order to fool the public. Constantly goes on as you know and Fox News has perfected this type of crap to perfection.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Politicians and political pundits pushing agendas are not interested in the truth or what is proven. They want to make the other side look bad at all costs including destroying important parts of society which PP does do with women healthcare for many that is reliant on the organization. So, they will kneejerk reactions in order to fool the public. Constantly goes on as you know and Fox News has perfected this type of crap to perfection.

Let's please do take the politics out of it.

What services does PP provide for womens' healthcare that isn't abortion? What percentage of their business is this? How many PP centers are there, and where are they located?

Contrasting to community health centers which provide more services in more locations to low income Americans, wouldn't that be the better route to fund for women's health?

 

[rog1187]

with their edited undercover video. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. If the patient wants to donate the tissue for research to help fight alzheimers, parkinsons, ms, etc, what is wrong with that? I'd say it would be irresponsible not to. Just like it is irresponsible not to donate your organs when you die. If you can help someone, why wouldn't you?

Slavery used to be legal...segregation used to be legal....are you okay with those concepts?

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Let's please do take the politics out of it.

What services does PP provide for womens' healthcare that isn't abortion? What percentage of their business is this? How many PP centers are there, and where are they located?

Contrasting to community health centers which provide more services in more locations to low income Americans, wouldn't that be the better route to fund for women's health?

Here you go. This link debunks the wingnut mantra that Fox news helps perpetuate....
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...siness-reporter-95-planned-parenthoods-pregn/

 

[TarHeelEer]

Here you go. This link debunks the wingnut mantra that Fox news helps perpetuate....
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...siness-reporter-95-planned-parenthoods-pregn/

Looks like you need to talk to your own. Remember, I don't watch Fox.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Here you go. This link debunks the wingnut mantra that Fox news helps perpetuate....
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...siness-reporter-95-planned-parenthoods-pregn/

So basically, they call bullshit on the number being claimed but cant offer another metric to refute the point.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Looks like you need to talk to your own. Remember, I don't watch Fox.

Is there something wrong with having both choices?

 

[TarHeelEer]

Looks like you need to talk to your own. Remember, I don't watch Fox.

70% of Community Health Center's funding is set to run out in October. Where is the outcry for women's health over this?

 

[bornaneer]

with their edited undercover video. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. If the patient wants to donate the tissue for research to help fight alzheimers, parkinsons, ms, etc, what is wrong with that? I'd say it would be irresponsible not to. Just like it is irresponsible not to donate your organs when you die. If you can help someone, why wouldn't you?

I'm sure you are aware that MORE African American fetuses are TERMINATED than are BORN in New York City. Looks a lot like legalized GENOCIDE.

 

[mule_eer]

I'm sure you are aware that MORE African American fetuses are TERMINATED than are BORN in New York City. Looks a lot like legalized GENOCIDE.

I believe that's the dictionary definition of hyperbole. I don't think that helps in having a legitimate discussion about the topic.

 

[countryroads89]

What services does PP provide for womens' healthcare that isn't abortion? What percentage of their business is this?

Still think we need to get bent out of shape and plan a government shutdown?

 

[TarHeelEer]

Is there something wrong with having both choices?

Still think we need to get bent out of shape and plan a government shutdown?

I'm not bent out of shape, and you're deflecting.

I asked a series of questions that have little to do with the charts you are showing. Those are [political] bullet points selling PP. Now I'll add another question. Why fund PP and defund community health centers?

 

[bornaneer]

I believe that's the dictionary definition of hyperbole. I don't think that helps in having a legitimate discussion about the topic.

Which part was "hyperbole"? Are you afraid to address the subject?

 

[countryroads89]

I'm not bent out of shape, and you're deflecting.

I asked a series of questions that have little to do with the charts you are showing. Those are [political] bullet points selling PP. Now I'll add another question. Why fund PP and defund community health centers?

How is providing FACTS, deflecting? I quoted two of your questions that are directly related to the charts.

 

[WVPATX]

with their edited undercover video. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. If the patient wants to donate the tissue for research to help fight alzheimers, parkinsons, ms, etc, what is wrong with that? I'd say it would be irresponsible not to. Just like it is irresponsible not to donate your organs when you die. If you can help someone, why wouldn't you?

At what point is the unborn child worthy of protection if you could decide?

 

[mule_eer]

Which part was "hyperbole"? Are you afraid to address the subject?

I'm not afraid to address the subject, but I don't see how useful a discussion would be with someone who calls a voluntary medical procedure initiated by a pregnant woman genocide. That implies an ethnic bias to the procedure, and I don't see how that is valid. We can discuss the merits of different perspectives, but it's difficult to imagine that happening when "genocide" is your opening salvo.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

What services does PP provide for womens' healthcare that isn't abortion? What percentage of their business is this? How many PP centers are there, and where are they located?

They have over 700 locations.

Less than 3% of their business is abortions. They provide mammogram services as well as regular pelvic exams and lots and lots of preventative care to help keep people from getting pregnant in the first place.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

At what point is the unborn child worthy of protection if you could decide?

Since I can't get pregnant, I'll defer that question to the women who can make that decision for themselves as outlined by the US Supreme Court. I'm sure that they will consider their health, the health of the fetus, their economic situation, their social situation, their family situation, their age and a number of other potential factors. It is they who should make that call. Not me. I have a penis and don't have a uterus.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Since I can't get pregnant, I'll defer that question to the women who can make that decision for themselves as outlined by the US Supreme Court. I'm sure that they will consider their health, the health of the fetus, their economic situation, their social situation, their family situation, their age and a number of other potential factors. It is they who should make that call. Not me. I have a penis and don't have a uterus.

Well, I like to think I had a choice in making that child. Of course I am a man that stands by his duties as a man. I believe a father should also have a say as the child in question is equal part him.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Well, I like to think I had a choice in making that child. Of course I am a man that stands by his duties as a man. I believe a father should also have a say as the child in question is equal part him.

Tell that to a judge when you want custody after a divorce.

 

[Mntneer]

They have over 700 locations.

Less than 3% of their business is abortions. They provide mammogram services as well as regular pelvic exams and lots and lots of preventative care to help keep people from getting pregnant in the first place.

If less than 3% of their business is abortions, then defund that portion. Since aparently only 33% of their total funding is Federal Grants, then that shouldn't be that much of an impact of their overall budget

 

[bornaneer]

I'm not afraid to address the subject, but I don't see how useful a discussion would be with someone who calls a voluntary medical procedure initiated by a pregnant woman genocide. That implies an ethnic bias to the procedure, and I don't see how that is valid. We can discuss the merits of different perspectives, but it's difficult to imagine that happening when "genocide" is your opening salvo.

Consider these facts:
Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America.
The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society?

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Consider these facts:
Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America.
The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society?

Oh the irony.

 

[WVPATX]

Since I can't get pregnant, I'll defer that question to the women who can make that decision for themselves as outlined by the US Supreme Court. I'm sure that they will consider their health, the health of the fetus, their economic situation, their social situation, their family situation, their age and a number of other potential factors. It is they who should make that call. Not me. I have a penis and don't have a uterus.

What a BS response. Moral cowardice.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I'm not bent out of shape, and you're deflecting.

I asked a series of questions that have little to do with the charts you are showing. Those are [political] bullet points selling PP. Now I'll add another question. Why fund PP and defund community health centers?

I've barely Googled a few things, but it looks like both programs will continue to be federally funded. The community health centers face up to a 70% cut in federal funds thanks to the budget sequestration and new budget thanks to all that government shutdown stuff. It's not like PP is 100% federally funded or even close.

 

[WVPATX]

If less than 3% of their business is abortions, then defund that portion. Since aparently only 33% of their total funding is Federal Grants, then that shouldn't be that much of an impact of their overall budget

Don't let him fool you. The 3% is a completely bogus stat. PP is the single largest providers of abortion in the country. You're right to observe that they don't need federal funding. There are many other women's health service clinics that don't perform abortions that can use that money.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

What a BS response. Moral cowardice.

Ok, what is the latest date in a man's pregnancy do you think he should be allowed to terminate it?

 

[bornaneer]

Tell that to a judge when you want custody after a divorce.

Why is a person charged with double homicide when a pregnant women and her fetus are killed? Many judges have thrown out that defense tactic.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Why is a person charged with double homicide when a pregnant women and her fetus are killed? Many judges have thrown out that defense tactic.

They're not always. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? It's a woman's body and a woman's decision what to do with her body. If someone kills her while she's pregnant, I doubt it was her choice.

 

[WVPATX]

Ok, what is the latest date in a man's pregnancy do you think he should be allowed to terminate it?

I asked you a very simple question. If you were in charge, at what point if any is the unborn child worthy of protection? If you don't take a position I'll take that to mean that even in the 9th month, the unborn is not worthy of any protection from you.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

They're not always. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? It's a woman's body and a woman's decision what to do with her body. If someone kills her while she's pregnant, I doubt it was her choice.

It's not a woman's body. It's the child's body, mind, and soul. A woman's choice ends at coitus.

Obviously in cases of rape, incest, and mother's life are not in this scenario.

 

[bornaneer]

They're not always. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? It's a woman's body and a woman's decision what to do with her body. If someone kills her while she's pregnant, I doubt it was her choice.

It may not have been her choice but how can the elimination of a fetus be considered murder? Who decides if it is murder? Is it murder at 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 or 9 months?

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I'm not bent out of shape, and you're deflecting.

I asked a series of questions that have little to do with the charts you are showing. Those are [political] bullet points selling PP. Now I'll add another question. Why fund PP and defund community health centers?

The questions you asked have everything to do with the charts. You asked what services they provide besides abortions and how many clinics there are. The charts address your first question and in even more detail than you asked for.

 

[mule_eer]

It may not have been her choice but how can the elimination of a fetus be considered murder? Who decides if it is murder?

See, that's a point that I think has merit. You can't have your cake and eat it too. What I'm not sure about is if such crimes count as murder after some milestone during the pregnancy, e.g.third trimester, or if it is the case from the first positive test. I suspect the wording of those laws vary across several states. I think that would be key to the argument though.

 

[TarHeelEer]

The questions you asked have everything to do with the charts. You asked what services they provide besides abortions and how many clinics there are. The charts address your first question and in even more detail than you asked for.

Those were leadup questions to comparing to community health centers which provide far more services to many more citizens than PP could ever dream of. Coop says they're funded now, last I heard they weren't.