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The Southern Poverty Law Center Scam

This demonizing of people on the opposite side of the political aisle from ourselves must stop at some point. No matter if a person is perceived as a conservative, an indepedent, a liberal, or somewhere in between either end of the political spectrum, by use of selective facts and a polished media campaign, we can demonize anyone and turn society against them. But just because it can be done doesn’t mean it should be done, or that it is right.

I am familiar with the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Over the years, it has ferretted out true racists, neo-nazis, and other people antithical to the ideals upon which America was founded. It has diligently represented victims of racist terrorism, anti-Semitism, and evil conduct against people simply because of their ethnicity, skin color, or religion. It has caused the extinguishment of many local hate groups.

Can i refute Stossel’s misrepresentations, out-context-statements, and inaccuracies, point-by-point? No. I do not have the research capability or time to do that. But i do know the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center, and i do know the founder of the SPLC. His life was threatened numerous times, but he perservered in fighting hate. He was forced to travel under assumed identities to avoid his enemies. He could have given up and walked away for his own safety, but he was determined to do his part to do away with hate groups.

John Stossel’s junk report is the epitome of fake news. I cannot speak to his true intent in doing this, but he further emboldens hate groups by attempting to tear down a major opponent of those hate groups.
 
This demonizing of people on the opposite side of the political aisle from ourselves must stop at some point. No matter if a person is perceived as a conservative, an indepedent, a liberal, or somewhere in between either end of the political spectrum, by use of selective facts and a polished media campaign, we can demonize anyone and turn society against them. But just because it can be done doesn’t mean it should be done, or that it is right.

I am familiar with the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Over the years, it has ferretted out true racists, neo-nazis, and other people antithical to the ideals upon which America was founded. It has diligently represented victims of racist terrorism, anti-Semitism, and evil conduct against people simply because of their ethnicity, skin color, or religion. It has caused the extinguishment of many local hate groups.

Can i refute Stossel’s misrepresentations, out-context-statements, and inaccuracies, point-by-point? No. I do not have the research capability or time to do that. But i do know the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center, and i do know the founder of the SPLC. His life was threatened numerous times, but he perservered in fighting hate. He was forced to travel under assumed identities to avoid his enemies. He could have given up and walked away for his own safety, but he was determined to do his part to do away with hate groups.

John Stossel’s junk report is the epitome of fake news. I cannot speak to his true intent in doing this, but he further emboldens hate groups by attempting to tear down a major opponent of those hate groups.
SPLC used to be moral. They’ve gone overboard and begun labeling normal conservative organizations as Hate Groups while ignoring obvious Liberal backed groups that traffic in hate.
 
This demonizing of people on the opposite side of the political aisle from ourselves must stop at some point. No matter if a person is perceived as a conservative, an indepedent, a liberal, or somewhere in between either end of the political spectrum, by use of selective facts and a polished media campaign, we can demonize anyone and turn society against them. But just because it can be done doesn’t mean it should be done, or that it is right.

I am familiar with the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Over the years, it has ferretted out true racists, neo-nazis, and other people antithical to the ideals upon which America was founded. It has diligently represented victims of racist terrorism, anti-Semitism, and evil conduct against people simply because of their ethnicity, skin color, or religion. It has caused the extinguishment of many local hate groups.

Can i refute Stossel’s misrepresentations, out-context-statements, and inaccuracies, point-by-point? No. I do not have the research capability or time to do that. But i do know the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center, and i do know the founder of the SPLC. His life was threatened numerous times, but he perservered in fighting hate. He was forced to travel under assumed identities to avoid his enemies. He could have given up and walked away for his own safety, but he was determined to do his part to do away with hate groups.

John Stossel’s junk report is the epitome of fake news. I cannot speak to his true intent in doing this, but he further emboldens hate groups by attempting to tear down a major opponent of those hate groups.

What do you refute from the video?
 
This demonizing of people on the opposite side of the political aisle from ourselves must stop at some point. No matter if a person is perceived as a conservative, an indepedent, a liberal, or somewhere in between either end of the political spectrum, by use of selective facts and a polished media campaign, we can demonize anyone and turn society against them. But just because it can be done doesn’t mean it should be done, or that it is right.

I am familiar with the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Over the years, it has ferretted out true racists, neo-nazis, and other people antithical to the ideals upon which America was founded. It has diligently represented victims of racist terrorism, anti-Semitism, and evil conduct against people simply because of their ethnicity, skin color, or religion. It has caused the extinguishment of many local hate groups.

Can i refute Stossel’s misrepresentations, out-context-statements, and inaccuracies, point-by-point? No. I do not have the research capability or time to do that. But i do know the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center, and i do know the founder of the SPLC. His life was threatened numerous times, but he perservered in fighting hate. He was forced to travel under assumed identities to avoid his enemies. He could have given up and walked away for his own safety, but he was determined to do his part to do away with hate groups.

John Stossel’s junk report is the epitome of fake news. I cannot speak to his true intent in doing this, but he further emboldens hate groups by attempting to tear down a major opponent of those hate groups.

Pure liberal vomit.

They used to have a good message. That changed when the big donors started rolling out the dough(Soros).
 
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MEET ANTIFA'S SECRET WEAPON AGAINST FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISTS

https://www.wired.com/story/free-speech-issue-antifa-data-mining/?mbid=BottomRelatedStories


THE EMAIL ARRIVED just as Megan Squire was starting to cook Thanksgiving dinner. She was flitting between the kitchen, where some chicken soup was simmering, and her living room office, when she saw the subject line flash on her laptop screen: “LOSer Leak.” Squire recognized the acronym of the League of the South, a neo-Confederate organization whose leaders have called for a “second secession” and the return of slavery. An anonymous insider had released the names, addresses, emails, passwords, and dues-paying records of more than 4,800 members of the group to a left-wing activist, who in turn forwarded the information to Squire, an expert in data mining and an enemy of far-right extremism.

Fingers tapping across the keyboard, Squire first tried to figure out exactly what she had. She pulled up the Excel file’s metadata, which suggested that it had passed through several hands before reaching hers. She would have to establish its provenance. The data itself was a few years old and haphazardly assembled, so Squire had to rake the tens of thousands of information-filled cells into standardized sets. Next, she searched for League members near her home of Gibsonville, North Carolina. When she found five, she felt a shiver. She had recently received death threats for her activism, so she Googled the names to find images, in case those people showed up at her door. Then she began combing through the thousands of other names. Two appeared to be former South Carolina state legislators, one a firearms industry executive, another a former director at Bank of America.

Once she had a long list of people to investigate, Squire opened a database of her own design—named Whack-a-Mole—which contains, as far as anyone can tell, the most robust trove of information on far-right extremists. When she cross-checked the names, she found that many matched, strengthening her belief in the authenticity of the leak. By midafternoon, Squire was exchanging messages via Slack with an analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center, a 46-year-old organization that monitors hate groups. Squire often feeds data to the SPLC, whose analysts might use it to provide information to police or to reveal white supremacists to their employers, seeking to get them fired. She also sent several high-profile names from the list to another contact, a left-wing activist who she knew might take more radical action—like posting their identities and photos online, for the public to do with what it would.

Squire, a 45-year-old professor of computer science at Elon University, lives in a large white house at the end of a suburban street. Inside are, usually, some combination of husband, daughter, two step-children, rescue dog, and cat. In her downtime she runs marathons and tracks far-right extremists. Whack-a-Mole, her creation, is a set of programs that monitors some 400,000 accounts of white nationalists on Facebook and other websites and feeds that information into a centralized database. She insists she is scrupulous to not break the law or violate Facebook’s terms of service. Nor does she conceal her identity, in person or online: “We shouldn’t have to mask up to say Nazis are bad. And I want them to see I don’t fit their stereotypes—I’m not a millennial or a ‘snowflake.’ I’m a peaceful white mom who definitely doesn’t like what they’re saying.”

Though Squire may be peaceful herself, among her strongest allies are “antifa” activists, the far-left antifascists. She doesn’t consider herself to be antifa and pushes digital activism instead of the group’s black-bloc tactics, in which bandanna-masked activists physically attack white supremacists. But she is sympathetic to antifa’s goal of silencing racist extremists and is unwilling to condemn their use of violence, describing it as the last resort of a “diversity of tactics.” She’s an intelligence operative of sorts in the battle against far-right extremism, passing along information to those who might put it to real-world use. Who might weaponize it.

As day shifted to evening, Squire closed the database so she could finish up cooking and celebrate Thanksgiving with her family and friends. Over the next three weeks, the SPLC, with help from Squire, became comfortable enough with the information to begin to act on it. In the shadowy world of the internet, where white nationalists hide behind fake accounts and anonymity is power, Whack-a-Mole was shining a searchlight. By mid-December, the SPLC had compiled a list of 130 people and was contacting them, to give them a chance to respond before possibly informing their employers or taking legal action.

Meanwhile, the left-wing activist whom Squire had separately sent data to was preparing to release certain names online. This is just how Squire likes it. Hers is a new, digitally enabled kind of vigilante justice. With no clear-cut rules for just how far a citizen could and should go, Squire has made up her own.

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“I’m the old lady of activism,” says Megan Squire, a professor of computer science at Elon University.


SQUIRE GREW UP near Virginia Beach in a conservative Christian family. She has been involved in left-leaning movements since she was 15, when her high school environmental club took a trip to protest the pollution from an industrial pig farm. “I loved the activist community,” she says, “and saying things we weren’t supposed to say.” After getting degrees in art history and public policy from William & Mary, she became interested in computers and took a job as a secretary at an antivirus software company, working her way up to webmaster. She eventually got a PhD in computer science from Nova Southeastern University in Florida and moved to North Carolina to work at startup companies before landing a job teaching at Elon. Between classes she could often be spotted around town waving signs against the Iraq War, and in 2008 she went door to door campaigning for Barack Obama. But Obama’s failure, in her view, to live up to his rhetoric, compounded by the Great Recession, was “the turning point when I just threw in the towel on electoral politics,” she says. She plunged into the Occupy movement, coming to identify as a pacifist-anarchist, but she eventually became disillusioned with that as well when the movement’s “sparkle-fingers” utopianism, as she puts it, failed to generate results. In 2016, she cast a vote for the Green Party’s Jill Stein.

Donald Trump’s campaign, though, gave Squire a new sense of mission: “I needed to figure out what talents I had and what direct actions I could do.” When a mosque in the nearby city of Burlington was harassed by a local neo-Confederate group called Alamance County Taking Back Alamance County, she decided to put her skills to use. ACTBAC was using Facebook to organize a protest against the opening of the mosque, so Squire began scraping posts on the page that threatened to “kick Islam out of America.” She submitted her findings to the SPLC to get ACTBAC classified as a hate group, and to the North Carolina Department of the Secretary of State, which started an investigation into the group’s tax-exempt nonprofit status. She also organized a counterprotest to one of the group’s rallies, and it was at this event and others like it where she first became acquainted with the black-clad antifa activists. She was impressed. “They were a level of mad about racism and fascism that I was glad to see. They were definitely not quiet rainbow peace people.” Over the following months, she began feeding information to some of her new local antifa contacts. As white pride rallies intensified during 2017’s so-called Summer of Hate—a term coined by a neo-Nazi website—Squire began to monitor groups outside of North Carolina, corresponding with anonymous informants and pulling everything into her growing Whack-a-Mole database. Soon, in her community and beyond, antifa activists could be heard whispering about a new comrade who was bringing real, and potentially actionable, data-gathering skills to the cause.

The first big test of Whack-a-Mole came just before the white supremacist Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville on Saturday, August 12. In the weeks before, because of her database, Squire could see that nearly 700 white supremacists on Facebook had committed to attend the rally, and by perusing their posts, she knew they were buying plane tickets and making plans to caravan to Charlottesville. Her research also showed that some of them had extensive arrest records for violence. She sent a report to the SPLC, which passed it on to Charlottesville and Virginia law enforcement. She also called attention to the event on anarchist websites and spread the word via “affinity groups,” secret peer-to-peer antifa communication networks.

“Antifa was a level of mad about racism and fascism that I was glad to see. They were definitely not quiet rainbow peace people.”

The night before the rally, Squire and her husband watched in horror on the internet as several hundred white supremacists staged a torch-lit march in Charlottesville to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee, chanting “Jews will not replace us!” The next morning, the couple got up at 5 am and drove more than 150 miles through rain and mist to Virginia. At a crowded park, she met with a half-dozen or so activists she knew from North Carolina, some of them antifa, and unfurled a banner for the Industrial Workers of the World. (She’d joined the Communist-inspired labor organization in December 2016, after witnessing what she considered its well-organized response to KKK rallies in North Carolina and Virginia.) Just before 10 am, the white supremacists began marching into Emancipation Park, a parade of Klansmen, neo-Nazis, militia members, and so-called alt-right adherents, armed with everything from homemade plexiglass shields to assault weapons. Squire screamed curses at the white supremacists by name—she knew them because she had their information on file in Whack-a-Mole and had memorized their faces. At one point, a group of clergy tried to blockade the white supremacists, and Squire linked arms with other activists to protect them. A petite woman, she was pushed aside by men with plexiglass shields. Fights broke out. Both sides blasted pepper spray. Squire put on a gas mask she’d been carrying in a backpack, but the pepper spray covered her arms, making them sting.

After the police finally separated the combatants, Squire and dozens of other counterprotesters took to Fourth Street in triumph. But then, a gray Dodge Challenger tore down the street—and rammed into their backs. The driver, who had marched with the white nationalists and was later identified as James Alex Fields, missed Squire by only a few feet. She stood on the sidewalk, weeping in shock, as the fatally injured activist Heather Heyer lay bleeding in the street.

Recounting the event months later, Squire began to cry. “I had all this intelligence that I hadn’t used as effectively as I could have. I felt like I’d wasted a chance that could have made a difference.” When she returned home, she threw herself into expanding Whack-a-Mole.

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Squire, center, marches through the streets of Asheboro, North Carolina, to protest the KKK.


ONE MORNING IN December, I visited Squire in her small university office. She had agreed to show me the database. First she logged onto a foreign server, where she has placed Whack-a-Mole to keep it out of the US government’s reach. Her screen soon filled with stacks of folders nested within folders: the 1,200-plus hate groups in her directory. As she entered command-line prompts, spreadsheets cascaded across the screen, each cell representing a social media profile she monitors. Not all of them are real people. Facebook says up to 13 percent of its accounts may be illegitimate, but the percentage of fakes in Squire’s database is probably higher, as white nationalists often hide behind multiple sock puppets. The SPLC estimates that half of the 400,000-plus accounts Squire monitors represent actual users.

Until Whack-a-Mole, monitoring white nationalism online mainly involved amateur sleuths clicking around, chasing rumors. Databases, such as they were, tended to be cobbled together and incomplete. Which is one reason no one has ever been able to measure the full reach of right-wing extremism in this country. Squire approached the problem like a scientist. “Step one is to get the data,” she says. Then analyze. Whack-a-Mole harvests most of its data by plugging into Facebook’s API, the public-facing code that allows developers to build within Facebook, and running scripts that pull the events and groups to which various account owners belong. Squire chooses which accounts to monitor based on images and keywords that line up with various extremist groups.

Most of the Whack-a-Mole profiles contain only basic biographical sketches. For more than 1,500 high-profile individuals, however, Squire fills out their entries with information gleaned from sources like the SPLC, informers, and leaks. According to Keegan Hankes, a senior analyst at the SPLC, Squire’s database “allows us to cast a much, much wider net. We’re now able to take a much higher-level look at individuals and groups.”

In October, after a man fired a gun at counterprotesters at a far-right rally in Florida, SPLC analysts used Squire’s database to help confirm that the shooter was a white nationalist and posted about it on their blog. Because so much alt-right digital data vanishes quickly, Whack-a-Mole also serves as an archive, providing a more permanent record of, say, attendees at various rallies. Squire’s database has proven so useful that the SPLC has begun laying the groundwork for it to feed directly into its servers.

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“I don’t have any moral quandaries about this. I know I’m following rules and ethics that I can stand up for.”

WHEN SQUIRE SENDS her data to actual citizens—not only antifa, but also groups like the gun-toting Redneck Revolt—it gets used in somewhat less official ways. Before a neo-Nazi rally in Boston this past November, Squire provided local antifa groups with a list of 94 probable white nationalist attendees that included their names, Facebook profiles, and group affiliations. As one activist who goes by the pseudonym Robert Lee told me, “Whack-a-Mole is very helpful. It’s a new way to research these people that leads me to information I didn’t have.” He posts the supposed identities of anonymous neo-Nazis and KKK members on his blog, Restoring the Honor, which is read by journalists and left-wing activists, and on social media, in an effort to provoke the public (or employers) to rebuke them.

Lee is careful, he says, to stop short of full-on doxing these individuals—that is, publicizing more intimate details such as home addresses, emails, and family photos that would enable electronic or even real-world harassment against them. Squire says that’s why she feels comfortable sending him information. Of course, once a name is public, finding personal information is not that hard. In the digital age, doxing is a particularly blunt tool, one meant to terrorize and threaten people in their most private spaces. Celebrities, private citizens, left-wing activists, and Nazis have all been doxed. The tactic allows anonymous hordes of any persuasion to practice vigilante justice on anyone they deem evil, problematic, or just plain annoying. As the feminist videogame developer and activist Zoe Quinn, who has been doxed and brutally harassed online, has written: “Are you calling for accountability and reform, or are you just trying to punish someone—and do you have any right to punish anyone in the first place?”

Squire has been doxed herself. Pictures of her home, husband, and children have been passed around on racist websites. She has received death threats and terrorizing voicemails, including one that repeated “dirty kike” for 11 seconds. Elon University has fielded calls demanding she be fired. On Halloween, Confederate flags were planted in her yard. Still, though Squire fears for her family’s safety, she keeps going. “I’m aware of the risks,” she says. “But it seems worth it. That’s what taking a stand is.”

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Members of Berkeley’s antifascist group block an Infowars reporter from covering a rally.

After Charlottesville, Squire considered, in her anger and grief, publicly releasing the entire Whack-a-Mole database. It would have been the largest-ever doxing of the far right. But she worried about the consequences of misidentification. Instead, she worked with her regular partners at the SPLC and activists she trusts. At one point the SPLC contacted a university about a student whom Squire had identified as a potentially violent member of the League of the South. The university did not take action, and she thought about tossing the student’s name to the ever-ravenous social media mobs. But here too, she reasoned that when you have someone’s life at your fingertips, you need rules. If the university wasn’t willing to act, then neither was she. It was, for her, a compromise, an attempt to establish a limit in a national moment pointedly lacking in limits.

Critics might still argue that public shaming of the kind Squire promotes constitutes a watered-down form of doxing, and that this willingness to take matters into their own hands makes Squire and her cohort no better than vigilantes. As David Snyder, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, says of Squire’s work: “Is it ethical to digitally stalk people? It may not be. Is it legal? Probably, as long as she doesn’t hack into their accounts and she’s collecting information they post publicly on an open platform like Facebook.” But he warns that limiting speech of anyone, even white supremacists, starts down a slippery slope. “Political winds can shift across time. Liberals who might cheer at a university limiting neo-Nazi speech also have to worry about the flip side of that situation when someone like Trump might penalize them in the future.”

As far as Squire is concerned, there’s a clear difference between protected speech and speech that poses an imminent threat to public safety. “Richard Spencer yelling about wanting a white ethno-state after events like Charlottesville—it’s hard to argue that kind of speech doesn’t constitute danger.”
 
The SPLC did good things in the past but they jumped the shark big time when they put Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali on their list of people that promote hate against Muslims. Look up either of those people read/watch what they write/say. These are fantastic people doing great work.

Certain segments of the Left and Right have gone absolutely bonkers in recent years and the SPLC is an example of it on the Left.

ETA: I didn't watch the video and have no idea what it says.
 
SPLC used to be moral. They’ve gone overboard and begun labeling normal conservative organizations as Hate Groups while ignoring obvious Liberal backed groups that traffic in hate.

The SPLC label some normal liberal people as haters too. A segment of the Left defines anyone that disagrees with them on anything as Alt-Right. Look up people like Bret Weinstein and Lindsay Shepherd.
 
How is it racist to call someone an animal? I mean, it’s not like calling someone a wetback or n***er or slope/dink/slant eye or raghead/hadji/ or kike, or wop, or Mick, etc.

I’m honestly asking how calling someone an animal is racist. Like, if I call someone an animal, is SPLC implying that it is now synonymous with all Hispanics?

I need a ruling here.
 
How is it racist to call someone an animal? I mean, it’s not like calling someone a wetback or n***er or slope/dink/slant eye or raghead/hadji/ or kike, or wop, or Mick, etc.

I’m honestly asking how calling someone an animal is racist. Like, if I call someone an animal, is SPLC implying that it is now synonymous with all Hispanics?

I need a ruling here.

You got your ruling. The SPLC is the law of the land, so says Google.
 
30 years ago: SPLC = Decent whistle-blower organization
Today: SPLC = Far far left hate group

Shapiro? Owens? Are the SPLC racist and anti-semetic?

 
30 years ago: SPLC = Decent whistle-blower organization
Today: SPLC = Far far left hate group

Shapiro? Owens? Are the SPLC racist and anti-semetic?


More and more people are equating others disagreeing with them with being hateful. That is a surefire way to shut down conversation. If you disagree with me you're not only wrong, you're also evil. Not good.

Joe Rogan said it best recently when he said "We are starved for actual conversation in this country." I agree, with the "we" being defined as a significantly large group of people that are tired of the yelling and shutting down of others. I want to see people have conversations or engage in them myself, even if viewpoints I don't like are expressed.

Joe Rogan's podcast has become enormously popular even though he talks 2-3 hours straight with people. Meanwhile, the news talk shows are eight minute segments where multiple people talk, mostly not for more than 10-15 seconds at a time.

You can disagree with Ben Shapiro every day of the week but the notion that he is hateful is completely and entirely ridiculous.
 
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More and more people are equating others disagreeing with them with being hateful. That is a surefire way to shut down conversation. If you disagree with me you're not only wrong, you're also evil. Not good.

Joe Rogan said it best recently when he said "We are starved for actual conversation in this country." I agree, with the "we" being defined as a significantly large group of people that are tired of the yelling and shutting down of others. I want to see people have conversations or engage in them myself, even if viewpoints I don't like are expressed.

Joe Rogan's podcast has become enormously popular even though he talks 2-3 hours straight with people. Meanwhile, the news talk shows are eight minute segments where multiple people talk, mostly not for more than 10-15 seconds at a time.

You can disagree with Ben Shapiro every day of the week but the notion that he is hateful is completely and entirely ridiculous.
I like the Rogan podcast too. I dont have time to listen as much as id like but it is good.
 
I like the Rogan podcast too. I dont have time to listen as much as id like but it is good.

The good think about the Rogan podcast or any podcast is all you have to do is listen. Oftentimes I'll put it on audio and then do other stuff while I'm listening.
 
The good think about the Rogan podcast or any podcast is all you have to do is listen. Oftentimes I'll put it on audio and then do other stuff while I'm listening.
Yeah. They are good for driving too. The drive from Morgantown to Charlotte has some radio dead areas so it is nice to have podcast or audiobooks on hand.
 
More and more people are equating others disagreeing with them with being hateful. That is a surefire way to shut down conversation. If you disagree with me you're not only wrong, you're also evil. Not good.

Joe Rogan said it best recently when he said "We are starved for actual conversation in this country." I agree, with the "we" being defined as a significantly large group of people that are tired of the yelling and shutting down of others. I want to see people have conversations or engage in them myself, even if viewpoints I don't like are expressed.

Joe Rogan's podcast has become enormously popular even though he talks 2-3 hours straight with people. Meanwhile, the news talk shows are eight minute segments where multiple people talk, mostly not for more than 10-15 seconds at a time.

You can disagree with Ben Shapiro every day of the week but the notion that he is hateful is completely and entirely ridiculous.
And if he did agree with you, would that not make both of you wrong. That is fairly recent verbiage, but it is good. Actually sounds like Will Rogers way of thinking.
 
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