the real reason obiden inc. just surrendered Bagram Air Base... it's only 400 miles from China and Xi didn't like that...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Trump planning on leaving too?
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
Yes. Different plan of exit first of all. Secondly, Biden has been President for 8 months. He spent the first 4 months doing absolutely nothing with respect to withdrawal. Then, he made the decision to reaffirm Trump’s decision to leave. He had 8 months to develop and execute a withdrawal plan. We still don’t have an approved NEO.
Trump is not a discussion topic for this. This is 100% a Biden fvck up and anyone saying otherwise is trying to spin information they’re being told to spin or they are just out of the loop entirely and making it up as they go.
I appreciate your concerns. The reality is there is no conspiracy to this one. The administration is just this fvcking inept. I’m not kidding.
I wasn't defending/blaming anyone. I was simply saying that this was the idea from the previous administration (to counter the claims of conspiracy). Sure, the execution is crappy. But do you think there was ever going to be a full-proof plan there? I sure as hell don't, but I'm no expert. Once we left, the vacuum would turn on.
Getting out was never going to be easy, we knew that. We had plans for withdrawal and on how to do it to ensure what’s occurring right now, didn’t. What’s happening right now is 100% a fvck up and it’s on this administration and the way they managed it.
Bottomline, this is why you don’t let academics try to run a war.
Hey @DvlDog4WVU explain something to me. Why don't we just go in with enough of our well armed forces, level what we have to, waste whichever Towel heads are dumb enough to confront us, and get our people out of there?
Why is this such a clusterfvck?
Why is this such a clusterfvck?
Anyone on the Left who blindly voted for the corpse-in-chief bears some responsibility for this debacle. That's what you get when you're blinded by pure hatred, and don't even take time to fully examine why you're voting for candidate X over candidate Y?
It's bad enough how we left valuable equipment and material behind for the Towel Heads, but abandoning priceless human assets who helped us over there, as well as stranding Americans who were trying to get out is honestly unforgiveable.
If they ever live to see Stateside again, I'd think many of them will be volunteers on the next viable campaign to assure Biden gets as few re-election votes as possible.
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My question: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Trump planning on leaving too?
His response: Yes. (then adds first, secondly, etc. etc.)
EDIT: And Dave, it's not really that hard to go back and see that Trump did say he was bringing the troops home.
I don't know how many times this needs repeated. Trump's withdrawal was a "conditional" withdrawal and if the Taliban had been advancing on all the districts like they were we would have went on the offensive. Trump even warned the Taliban leader his village would have been the first to be hit. Here are somethings Trump wouldn't have done vs what Biden did do.
1. He wouldn't have stopped paying the Afgan forces in Feb.
2. He wouldn't have pulled the military out first
3. He wouldn't have given up all that military equipment to the Taliban
4. He wouldn't have pulled out our military in the middle of the night without telling the Afghani government.
5. He wouldn't have stopped providing intel and air support to the Afgan Forces
I could go on but you get the picture, a Trump withdrawal would have been orderly and no where near the cluster we have been seeing for the past week.
I never said anything to dispute this. Why are you trying to make this a big deal?
EDIT: I will add that I still believe that whoever was POTUS, ultimately the Taliban would have taken over.
Every time some idiot goes here I just have to shake my head at the willful ignorance of people.
Bringing the troops home is not the same as abandoning our people and allies there now. Just stop embarrassing yourself.
You should stop, because the question was "leaving". You are the one widening the goal post on that statement, not me.
EDIT: And while you are on your "know-it-all" mood, just what was Trump's plan? Link it too.
It won't matter to you, but this explains your question to @dave
Kash Patel explains Trump's Afghanistan plan
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris [Comatose and Clueless] will speak to America this afternoon and try to blame Donald Trump for their horrendous errors in Afghanistan. Kash Patel explained Donald Trump’s plan this afternoon on John Bachman Now which you can watch below. A senator also explained that...
www.independentsentinel.com
The "everybody does it defense" doesn't apply here. Biden screwed up, and so did anyone who voted for him.
No, Biden Can’t Blame Trump For The Afghanistan Withdrawal Disaster
Under Biden’s direct command, the Taliban seized hundreds of U.S. Humvees, Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, and several million-dollar U.S. drones.
thefederalist.com
excerpt:
President Biden was no more bound by former President Trump’s agreement with the Taliban than Trump was required to abide by former President Barack Obama’s Iran deal, known formerly as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. Neither agreement bound future presidents because neither deal was presented to the Senate for ratification.
..more
As the current commander-in-chief, Biden holds power to decide every aspect of the withdrawal decision. Biden already extended Trump’s May 1, 2021 deadline to September, and if he believed the Taliban too strong, the Afghanistan government too weak, or the withdrawal decision entirely misplaced, the current president could have changed course.
He didn’t because he didn’t want to.
...more
In contrast, Biden held no bones about executing a sharp course reversal when Trump’s policy positions conflicted with his administration’s.
On his first day in office, for example, Biden officially rejoined the Paris climate accord, from which former President Trump had withdrawn. The Biden administration later waived sanctions on Iran in an attempt to restart the Iran nuclear deal. President Biden reversed Trump’s ban on transgender people in the military and tossed the Mexico City policy to restart funding of international organizations that promote or provide abortions.
...more
If Biden believed it in America’s best interest to remain in Afghanistan for the long-term, for another year, or even for another month, as commander-in-chief he could have made that call. Further, even if leaving now is in our country’s best interests, Biden bears full responsibility for his failed execution of the withdrawal
Again, it won't matter to you because instead of blaming Biden, you're looking for the "everybody does it excuse" to overlook his blundering and ill conceived, poorly executed withdrawal.
Why am I not surprised?
@MountaineerWV
amgreatness.com
Trump Administration’s Careful Afghanistan Withdrawal Plans Were Ignored By Biden Regime, Former Trump Aide Says › American Greatness
Joe Biden’s national security team reportedly ignored the Trump administration’s careful plans for withdrawing from Afghanistan, resulting in the nightmare scenario currently unfolding in the war-torn…
amgreatness.com
@MountaineerWV
nypost.com
I ran Team Trump’s Afghan withdrawal — Biden’s attempt to blame us is just sad
Biden has sought to place blame for the shocking dénouement in Afghanistan on the situation he “inherited” from the Trump administration. What a sad-sack attempt at blame-shifting, writes Kash Pate…
nypost.com
@MountaineerWV
'Bomb the bases': Trump's plan for US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan
www.pixstory.com
excerpt
Trump suggested a chronology for the safe evacuation of US citizens without any chaos, as opposed to the current situation where the Biden administration had to send thousands of troops to Afghanistan for emergency evacuation from Kabul airport.
Trump said the US citizens should have been evacuated first, followed by bringing back all “equipment”. He then went on to suggest that the US should have bombed the bases that host foreign troops into smithereens before pulling out the military.
*note to @dave
You won't get a rational defense from @MountaineerWV of Biden's miscalculations or screw ups outside of Trump's proposed plan to leave Kabul. (which was true)
He'll instead continue his false narrative that Biden was following Trump's EXACT policy to leave, and it would have been a clusterfvck either way.
100% Wrong.
'Bomb the bases': Trump's plan for US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan
'Bomb the bases': Trump's plan for US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan
Former US President Donald Trump has intensified his criticism of his successor, Joe Biden, for rushing out the troops out of Afghanistan that led to the Taliban’s takeover, triggering emergency evacuations. In a statement released on Thursday, Trump suggested a chronology for the safe...
www.pixstory.com
excerpt
Trump suggested a chronology for the safe evacuation of US citizens without any chaos, as opposed to the current situation where the Biden administration had to send thousands of troops to Afghanistan for emergency evacuation from Kabul airport.
Trump said the US citizens should have been evacuated first, followed by bringing back all “equipment”. He then went on to suggest that the US should have bombed the bases that host foreign troops into smithereens before pulling out the military.
*note to @dave
You won't get a rational defense from @MountaineerWV of Biden's miscalculations or screw ups outside of Trump's proposed plan to leave Kabul. (which was true)
He'll instead continue his false narrative that Biden was following Trump's EXACT policy to leave, and it would have been a clusterfvck either way.
100% Wrong.
This sophistry is like arguing that "make America great again" (Trump) and "build back better" (Biden) are the same policies even if one could argue they have the same goals?
There is absolutely no parallel between Trump's policy regarding our withdrawal from Afghanistan and Biden's blundering policy trying to accomplish the same objective.
Zero.
It doesn’t matter, we’re on Biden’s plan or rather Biden’s make it up as we go.
Hey, even I didn't know what my plan was? I just did what they told me and I STILL don't remember a damn thing about it!
What is wrong with you? Show me ONE TIME I defended Biden over this or anything else. That's your challenge.@MountaineerWV
'Bomb the bases': Trump's plan for US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan
'Bomb the bases': Trump's plan for US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan
Former US President Donald Trump has intensified his criticism of his successor, Joe Biden, for rushing out the troops out of Afghanistan that led to the Taliban’s takeover, triggering emergency evacuations. In a statement released on Thursday, Trump suggested a chronology for the safe...
excerpt
Trump suggested a chronology for the safe evacuation of US citizens without any chaos, as opposed to the current situation where the Biden administration had to send thousands of troops to Afghanistan for emergency evacuation from Kabul airport.
Trump said the US citizens should have been evacuated first, followed by bringing back all “equipment”. He then went on to suggest that the US should have bombed the bases that host foreign troops into smithereens before pulling out the military.
*note to @dave
You won't get a rational defense from @MountaineerWV of Biden's miscalculations or screw ups outside of Trump's proposed plan to leave Kabul. (which was true)
He'll instead continue his false narrative that Biden was following Trump's EXACT policy to leave, and it would have been a clusterfvck either way.
100% Wrong.
EDIT: My opinion to this has been, and always will be, no matter who was in charge at SOME POINT it would fall again to the Taliban. That's not defending anyone. That's just an opinion on the condition that country has been, and will always be in.
I honestly don't see you "defending" Biden, but I'd argue you're "excusing" his miscalculation by suggesting it's the same policy.
I'd turn that around and ask you to show me your criticisms of Biden's poorly executed withdrawal plan? You can play semantics all you want, the bottom line is this:
Biden's execution of our withdrawal is a colossal Foreign policy blunder and neither you nor anyone else on the Left can pin any aspect of it on Trump which is EXACTLY what you're attempting to do in your dishonest analysis of the inevitable collapse of that God forsaken land no matter who was in charge.
Nice try, but I didn't vote for Biden. Didn't you?
He'll instead continue his false narrative that Biden was following Trump's EXACT policy to leave, and it would have been a clusterfvck either way.
I'm not excusing anything.
Yeah you are. Your claim is this withdrawal would have been a disaster waiting to happen, no matter who was President. (therefore criticism of Biden is unwarranted) Your claim is the Taliban would have eventually taken over Afghanistan and caused this mayhem no matter who was President. (This would NOT have happened and did NOT happen under Trump's watch)
You are 100% WRONG on both.
OK...I didn't fill out any fake ballots either so neither one of us is to blame for this goof ball.
I still won, and @MountaineerWV you're not unhappy I got rid of Trump even if I cheated
Good point creepy Joe....he's happier with you than Trump.
