The osu "refugee" terrorist
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Sounds like a good question for the off topic board.
well, it's called having wealthy parents........ who move to the USA with you when you get your green card in 2014. They were Somali refugees....... who escaped to Pakistan in 2007, and then moved to the US.
He complains about not having space for his Muslim activities and prayers and then goes out and kills. Really helping their cause. Radical Islamic Terrorism has to be stopped. Some countries are banning Islam and tearing down their radical mosques. Might have to think along these lines in the future, if we want a future.
No. This is a country founded on religious freedom. To do that is to literally kill what America stands for. What a ridiculous claim. Less than 1% of our country's Muslim population......... far less............. have attributed to threats to our people.
We've done worse.....
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Like it or not....this is war, or at least what passes for war now. Whether or not you like Trump, this will be a hot topic during his presidency.
In my opinion, there are certain elements of our freedom here that we are going to have to be able to compromise (hopefully short term) in order to preserve our overall way of life. Our views on religious freedoms are being used against us and will continue to be used against us until we adjust accordingly.
Giving up our birthright in order to preserve our way of life is pretty much a contradiction. Do it, and Osama bin Laden gets the victory.
We're not some countries. We shouldn't become barbarians to fight terrorism. We have freedom of religion in this country. As a Christian I'd like to keep it.
No, we don't have to sacrifice freedom. We have to fight terrorism, not Islam.
idiotic that you'd have the balls to say "We are going to have to give up" as if You would lose anything................ your life would not change one bit, and you know it....
Terrorism hides behind many faces...unfortunately one of those is Islam. You can fight Islamic terrorists without removing Islam from the US. But I don't feel there is any way to make that omelet without cracking a few eggs.
Our President-elect disagrees with your opinion.....but I'm sure his views aren't important or as smart as yours either.
BTW....what about my posts gives you even a remote clue as to what my religion is or if I even believe in any "higher being"? Assume much?
Well, we're not making breakfast. Do you think most American Muslims want terrorism? Don't you think we should do what we can to make American Muslims feel welcome here? Don't you think that may encourage American Muslims to tell authorities what they hear or know or suspect? Do you think if American Muslims fear authorities they will cooperate with authorities?
If it means they get to stay in the US? You betcha.
Likely their worst day here is better than their best day from where ever they left.
I apologize if I'm not fluent in PC. I think if you're not on board with threats to national security then there are many other countries you can find residence in.
yesterday's event had nothing to do with national security though.... it was a singular, small-scale event done by a US permanent resident who legally came to America with his family and who would not have been "flagged" in our President Elect's proposed guidelines either...
You change how America operates with freedom of religion and you've changed America. And that means terrorism has beaten you.
Nope. Just the one's that can be proven to harbor terrorists or harbor knowledge that can lead to capture of same.
I'm a socially liberal guy until it comes to our national security.
That stuff is 1950's. I bet your great, great grandfather got all pissed off when those darned American Indians wouldn't just walk up in an open field and wait to get shot. Cheating by hiding behind rocks and such.
We weren't prepared to fight that way...and it showed. Same for Vietnam. We adjusted then. We need to adjust again or else we are going to lose a lot more than some hurt feelings.
We can beat terrorism without becoming terrorists....but there is no way we beat terrorism without doing ANYTHING different.
just compared prohibiting Muslim immigration and enabling manditory Muslim deportation to fighting the Indians......
thinks he made a good point
thinks he made a good point
That's funny, because you're arguing for an approach much like China's treatment of Tibetans and Russia's approach to Chechens.
Good grief .... we should, and need to in my opinion, protect religious freedom in this country.
But the truth is that if we actually begin to root out terrorists, and those who harbor them, there will be some people who lose the freedoms of this country .... for example, mosques and clerics who philosophically support jihad verbally and jihadists socially.
But the truth is that if we actually begin to root out terrorists, and those who harbor them, there will be some people who lose the freedoms of this country .... for example, mosques and clerics who philosophically support jihad verbally and jihadists socially.
No.
Way.
You mean we can protect this country without killing people? And all it would take is not allowing radicals to hide behind the religions they blaspheme on a regular basis? #whodathunkit #hopefullythemensasocietyheregetsthis
We wouldn't lose a war like that now. Unfortunately that style of warfare is obsolete now.
Then, by that logic, identifying, isolating, and removing such a small population should pose little problem. This being so, then let's get on with it and eliminate the need for discussing Islamic Terrorism in the future. We talk and talk and make excuses while attacks occur and nothing is done to combat the identified problems. True assessment of the nature of the problem is required, followed by a proposal for rapid solution. Get on with it before more are killed and/or we have a truly major disaster. with a porous southern border we are just inviting redials to come 'visit/' and bring their destructive weapons and friends. Wake up, folks. The future of this Country is at stake.
Correction....knows he made a good point.
Welcome to 2016. War is different now. It's on our soil. Down the street in a little 2 bedroom ranch-style home could be someone who means you and your family harm and he/she won't be wearing a military uniform to let you know his/her intentions.It will be for something you might not even know or care about, but you are that person's enemy just the same.
Consider yourself educated on what century this is.
I will qualify this by saying the true radicals are likely 1/10 of that 1%. They gots to go.
A week ago, the attacker at OSU would not have appeared on anyone's radar looking for radical Islamic terrorists........... That's the failure of your mindset. The Orlando shooter was assessed repeatedly by the FBI and found to not meet the threshold of a legitimate threat at the time either........... our country is, rarely, being attacked by its own people who act spontaneously and with little prior notice. The whole "identify, isolate, remove" mentality doesn't come into play but only to further propagate recruitment of such extreme views once our Government starts scooping up wrong candidates.
A week ago, the tOSU attacker was John Q. College Student............. explain how you "identify, apprehend, remove" him legally prior to the attack without going "Well, you're a Muslim. You have to go........ No, I know you've done nothing wrong"
A week ago, the tOSU attacker was John Q. College Student............. explain how you "identify, apprehend, remove" him legally prior to the attack without going "Well, you're a Muslim. You have to go........ No, I know you've done nothing wrong"
It will only be a matter of time before these events become bigger and more orchestrated. 9/11 taught most of us that. These are random and small because there is not yet the infrastructure for a larger attack. I'll emphasize the "yet" part of all this.
I'd rather not wait until that happens again and people are saying "How in the hell didn't we see this coming?" like we did 15 years ago.
If issues like aiding, abetting, and accessory to the crime before or after a criminal act are established then there may be a basis to proceed with prosecution.
If it is proven that a cleric espouses a jihadist philosophy and someone under his influence commits a crime then that cleric could be prosecuted for aiding, abetting, or being an accessory to a crime.
But here's the catch 22 in all of this .... if the authorities (state or federal) move against a certain radicalized cleric/mosque they risk throwing a rock into a hornets nest and stirring up all kinds of crazy reactions.
What to do? Seek to root out and eliminate (stirring up more radicals) or monitor and do the best to prevent things from happening?
It ain't easy any way you slice it.
If it is proven that a cleric espouses a jihadist philosophy and someone under his influence commits a crime then that cleric could be prosecuted for aiding, abetting, or being an accessory to a crime.
But here's the catch 22 in all of this .... if the authorities (state or federal) move against a certain radicalized cleric/mosque they risk throwing a rock into a hornets nest and stirring up all kinds of crazy reactions.
What to do? Seek to root out and eliminate (stirring up more radicals) or monitor and do the best to prevent things from happening?
It ain't easy any way you slice it.
The problem is that many on here don't even want to acknowledge there is a knife drawer.
Employing reactionary hysterics is not the answer.
It's just a very difficult issue to address no matter how convinced one is of a certain approach to the issue.
Exactly what was being said at the time. The overconfidence was part of why we lost. Some never learn that lesson.
Guerrilla warfare is obsolete? That's news to me and pretty much the rest of the world.
These are random and small because USG does a good job at eliminating real threats to our country on a daily basis. Do lone wolf attackers fall through the cracks? Or course............. but your choice to look at it as a ticking time bomb is wrong.
I mean, it takes a person with TRUE delusion to even compare the national security environment of today to what it was pre-9/11 and say "Just wait until we don't see it next time"............ there's next to nothing we don't see now. And what we don't see is due to our unwillingness to give up freedom for surveillance.
I mean, the last 12 months have been the deadliest in our country since 9/11 in terms of Islamic terror-specific attacks in-country........ 64 victims. That's a single blast in other parts of the world............. and expand the timeline to the last decade - 80 deaths not including attackers in the USA from Islamic terrorism............... in a decade. Over 50% of that happening in one event.
You can make this out to be some big bad threat all you want.......... if you need to keep yourself in fear.......... but it isn't. Not in the home land. Why? Because we do a great job keeping our citizens safe here in the USA.
By the numbers.......... school shootings are FAR FAR more dangerous of a threat than Islamic Terrorism is in this country.
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Knife drawer = options to eliminate the threat short of mass deportations/death squads.
There really is a middle ground.
I'm pretty sure everyone gets there are terrorists here...unless they have been in a bunker the past 20 years.
I was thinking more along the lines of centralized armies using tunnels, etc to defend against an attacking force. We are being attacked by a de-centralized force. There is no central hive to take out anymore. Even Bin Laden was being protected by a very small group.
Guerrilla warfare started with the American Indian and is still super popular....no arguments there.
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