The new California law.

[doneagain]

I think it is the right idea.

The new law in California says college athletes can get paid for the use of their likeness, etc...

However, schools do not have to pay athletes.

I haven’t read the actual law as it is written yet, but allowing players to make money off their time as an athlete in college is the right thing to do.

I have thought that was the correct decision previously and usually I think law makers in California are high before deciding on a law, but this one I agree with.

Let markets dictate how much an athlete can make. If a car dealer wants to hire Austin Kendall to do a commercial, there should be no problem with that. If the 3rd string kicker wants to sit outside in front of Walmart and charge little kids a dollar to take a pic with him, then fine.

If an attractive female soccer player wants to do modeling work, why not?

The majority of athletes are not going to get offers for their likeness because the return on investment for those willing to pay them is not going to be there.

The market will dictate who gets what.

And when team mates no longer want to block for a guy getting paid while they don’t get paid yet put in the same amount of work and his performance falls off as a result, then so be it.

There will be negative consequences to this ruling just as there is with any ruling. We will just have to wait and see what it is.

 

[5-Technique]

Room and board when part of a scholarship is considered taxable income as is a stipend used to cover living expenses. So although I doubt the IRS enforces that very hard (if at all), I guess that, along with the extra perks that a D1 athlete receives, would all be fair game now I suppose? It may end up dissolving the Pac12 and letting us poach Colorado and Utah - that is, if the expansion folks are still keen to do so.

 

[Rootmaster]

I haven’t read the actual law as it is written yet, but allowing players to make money off their time as an athlete in college is the right thing to do.

This is a typical bullshit, progressive asshole law that will kill most college athletic programs including WVU. Top feeders will get the talent while lessers like the Mountaineers will struggle. Hell why not do away with student athletes and let each school have a professional team...with universal free agency and no cut contracts etc. Pure bullshit. This is another arrow in the back of college athletics. Dark days are ahead for schools like WVU. Over hyped and uneducated jocks already think they can get away with not going to class, breaking the law and not giving a damn if they can jump higher or run faster than someone else. Sad times. In addition, until this is cleared up what "super jock" in their right mind would chose any school outside of the Socialist republic of California? Pay for play. Of course, schools could just charge the average Joe a fortune more for tickets to games, streaming rights etc and not give a damn. The crap has started rolling down the slippery slope with this insane legislation. BTW: the law is worse when you read it.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Rootmaster needs to take a class in economics.

Sounds like he is one of those dummies.

The bill itself it pretty capitalistic. You pay someone for what they earn. What a novel concept.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

These players already aren't going to class at most of these universities.
The academic side is already a joke. Certain programs more than others.

That is the problem. If these players aren't getting legit degrees and the tutors are doing most of the work than you are exploiting labor.
Players playing for free who aren't earning an education.

They are pretty much in an apprenticeship program for the NFL and not all make it

 

[muraca777]

I dont know but if they end up paying athletes to play, I hope the ncaa makes them have to pay their own tuition room food all of it like everybody else. The kids that are smart get nothing live on ramen noodles and leave 6 figures in debt, some goof that cant even read but can jump high goes for free and eats like a king, 3 million dollars on food at o$u?? So sick of the argument that they get nothing. They need to make sure it stays where it is and doesnt go full blown pay to pay or just say goodbye to collegiate athletics

 

[WVUALLEN]

What does this California Law do to the PAC 12?

There are 8 university not in the state of California.
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Utah
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado

Or the Mountain West?
Fresno State
San Diego State
San Jose State

Does this cause a problem between those conferences that have non California teams?

Others like FCS from the Big Sky,

This is a huge problem in my opinion. There will need to be fair pay for all teams and have set amount. If not you end up with a bidding war over the best players. Some will be offered 500,000 and others only able to bid 50,000. This law is bullshit unless there is fair equity.

 

[5-Technique]

Rootmaster needs to take a class in economics.

Sounds like he is one of those dummies.

The bill itself it pretty capitalistic. You pay someone for what they earn. What a novel concept.

Your response was facile. This is a VERY complex issue with tons of unintended consequences that require deep, considerate thought. You sometimes make some good points on this board Townes but what you said to Root was just stupid.

 

[countryroads89]

This is a typical bullshit, progressive asshole law that will kill most college athletic programs including WVU. Top feeders will get the talent while lessers like the Mountaineers will struggle. Hell why not do away with student athletes and let each school have a professional team...with universal free agency and no cut contracts etc. Pure bullshit. This is another arrow in the back of college athletics. Dark days are ahead for schools like WVU. Over hyped and uneducated jocks already think they can get away with not going to class, breaking the law and not giving a damn if they can jump higher or run faster than someone else. Sad times. In addition, until this is cleared up what "super jock" in their right mind would chose any school outside of the Socialist republic of California? Pay for play. Of course, schools could just charge the average Joe a fortune more for tickets to games, streaming rights etc and not give a damn. The crap has started rolling down the slippery slope with this insane legislation. BTW: the law is worse when you read it.

This won't hurt WVU. Any athlete who accepts monetary compensation in accordance with this law will be ineligible for post-season play in accordance with NCAA rules.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

I dont know but if they end up paying athletes to play, I hope the ncaa makes them have to pay their own tuition room food all of it like everybody else. The kids that are smart get nothing live on ramen noodles and leave 6 figures in debt, some goof that cant even read but can jump high goes for free and eats like a king, 3 million dollars on food at o$u?? So sick of the argument that they get nothing. They need to make sure it stays where it is and doesnt go full blown pay to pay or just say goodbye to collegiate athletics

But those people can spend all their time on their classes if needed and don't have football getting in the way.

Football is time consuming and takes up the majority of the day. They are no where close to an average college student.

Some schools provide free tuition to a lot of their students who cannot afford college
Texas and Texas A&M provide free tuition for all in state students who come from families who cannot pay the tuition

So does Vanderbilt, Stanford and some other private universities

 

[WVUALLEN]

I'm sure the law is talking about selling items like autographed jersey's and the such. But you know it will turn into bidding wars for recruits being paid money as a salary as well.

This would be no different than Adidas scandal except it would be legal to offer the coaches for the highest bid to pay for an athlete.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

I'm sure the law is talking about selling items like autographed jersey's and the such. But you know it will turn into bidding wars for recruits being paid money as a salary as well.

This would be no different than Adidas scandal except it would be legal to offer the coaches for the highest bid to pay for an athlete.

It already is a bidding war for players.
Let's just bring all of this street level stuff to the surface

Some of these players have handlers who extort money from universities.
Who these handlers are sometimes involves gun play.

 

[WVUALLEN]

It already is a bidding war for players.
Let's just bring all of this street level stuff to the table.

Some of these players have handlers who extort money from universities.
Who these handlers are sometimes involves gun play.

Yes but it's an illegal bidding war. Haven't you seen the investigation on Kansas. They can take this liberal California law and shove it up their arse.

Without fair pay being an equal amount for all universities then the corruption will continue.

 

[Rootmaster]

This won't hurt WVU. Any athlete who accepts monetary compensation in accordance with this law will be ineligible for post-season play in accordance with NCAA rules.

Are you just naturally clueless? There won't be any NCAA as this spreads...unless they open their legs and let the highest bidder in.

 

[Rootmaster]

Just took TVZ off ignore for about 10 seconds to see what idiot things he/she/it was saying. Wow...such a stupid, suck pipe jackass blowhard. Must lead a real crap life. Back on ignore lol.

 

[countryroads89]

There won't be any NCAA as this spreads.

LOL!

 

[sg44gold]

This will be a colossal mistake.

The inmates, as they say, will now be running the asylum.

 

[Buckaineer]

Great well thought out law that doesnt go far enough but starts leveling the field for those actually making the sacrifice and puttingin the work.

Why should everyone else make money off the name, likeness, etc, except those that are being exploited?

Coaches and ADs are making millions and getting bonuses when kids win for them, some of the kids can barely eat and their families are impoverished.

Now at least in Cali, athletes can make money ( in 2023) off their name and likeness, and get paid back a little for what they are bringing into the schools. Millionaire coaches and Ads can do it. Every other student and many athletes are allowed to do this, its time the football and basketball players can do the same.

Many ither states including WV are considering similar legislation, NY I believe is on the verge of passing even broader legislation.

 

[Rootmaster]

exploited

Hillary lost jackass...lol. You are such a progressive shit.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Rootmaster has to turn everything political.

He hates the law because it is from California.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Great well thought out law that doesnt go far enough but starts leveling the field for those actually making the sacrifice and puttingin the work.

Why should everyone else make money off the name, likeness, etc, except those that are being exploited?

Coaches and ADs are making millions and getting bonuses when kids win for them, some of the kids can barely eat and their families are impoverished.

Now at least in Cali, athletes can make money ( in 2023) off their name and likeness, and get paid back a little for what they are bringing into the schools. Millionaire coaches and Ads can do it. Every other student and many athletes are allowed to do this, its time the football and basketball players can do the same.

Many ither states including WV are considering similar legislation, NY I believe is on the verge of passing even broader legislation.

Link proof of WV considering similar legislation.

So what happens when other players can't make the same money as certain others?

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Called life.
Shit isn't fair. Not the governments or the NCAA job to give everyone an equal chance.
Only you can

 

[muthed]

This won't hurt WVU. Any athlete who accepts monetary compensation in accordance with this law will be ineligible for post-season play in accordance with NCAA rules.

Any athlete outside of California who accepts compensation should not be allowed to play, period, not just in post-season.

 

[oceantide83]

I think it is the right idea.

The new law in California says college athletes can get paid for the use of their likeness, etc...

However, schools do not have to pay athletes.

I haven’t read the actual law as it is written yet, but allowing players to make money off their time as an athlete in college is the right thing to do.

I have thought that was the correct decision previously and usually I think law makers in California are high before deciding on a law, but this one I agree with.

Let markets dictate how much an athlete can make. If a car dealer wants to hire Austin Kendall to do a commercial, there should be no problem with that. If the 3rd string kicker wants to sit outside in front of Walmart and charge little kids a dollar to take a pic with him, then fine.

If an attractive female soccer player wants to do modeling work, why not?

The majority of athletes are not going to get offers for their likeness because the return on investment for those willing to pay them is not going to be there.

The market will dictate who gets what.

And when team mates no longer want to block for a guy getting paid while they don’t get paid yet put in the same amount of work and his performance falls off as a result, then so be it.

There will be negative consequences to this ruling just as there is with any ruling. We will just have to wait and see what it is.

 

[oceantide83]

This is a typical bullshit, progressive asshole law that will kill most college athletic programs including WVU. Top feeders will get the talent while lessers like the Mountaineers will struggle. Hell why not do away with student athletes and let each school have a professional team...with universal free agency and no cut contracts etc. Pure bullshit. This is another arrow in the back of college athletics. Dark days are ahead for schools like WVU. Over hyped and uneducated jocks already think they can get away with not going to class, breaking the law and not giving a damn if they can jump higher or run faster than someone else. Sad times. In addition, until this is cleared up what "super jock" in their right mind would chose any school outside of the Socialist republic of California? Pay for play. Of course, schools could just charge the average Joe a fortune more for tickets to games, streaming rights etc and not give a damn. The crap has started rolling down the slippery slope with this insane legislation. BTW: the law is worse when you read it.

 

[eerdoc]

I think it is the right idea.

The new law in California says college athletes can get paid for the use of their likeness, etc...

However, schools do not have to pay athletes.

I haven’t read the actual law as it is written yet, but allowing players to make money off their time as an athlete in college is the right thing to do.

I have thought that was the correct decision previously and usually I think law makers in California are high before deciding on a law, but this one I agree with.

Let markets dictate how much an athlete can make. If a car dealer wants to hire Austin Kendall to do a commercial, there should be no problem with that. If the 3rd string kicker wants to sit outside in front of Walmart and charge little kids a dollar to take a pic with him, then fine.

If an attractive female soccer player wants to do modeling work, why not?

The majority of athletes are not going to get offers for their likeness because the return on investment for those willing to pay them is not going to be there.

The market will dictate who gets what.

And when team mates no longer want to block for a guy getting paid while they don’t get paid yet put in the same amount of work and his performance falls off as a result, then so be it.

There will be negative consequences to this ruling just as there is with any ruling. We will just have to wait and see what it is.

Schools in California (and any other State that passes similar legislation) should be immediately banned from membership in the NCAA with NO participation against anat team remaining as a member thereof. Under the current circumstances, recruiting will be to the school/conference/ State offering the highest earning potential within the market that this law provides. No longer would we have College Athletics. Allowing them to have an agent is also (to me) a gross negative as we will see massive manipulation of athletes against their schools and the death of current College football and basketball (and potentially other sports). Swift, non compromising actions are required by the NCAA. If states/schools/ conferences see this as a necessity I project they will withdraw from the NCAA and try forming their own governing body wherein such payments, etc will be considered allowable. Bye,bye College Sports. We then would have a formal paid minor leagues for the NFL and NBA.
This law and action by the California Governor/legislature seems typical for their desire for destruction.Maybe the "BIG ONE" from the San Andreas cannot come a minute too soon!

 

[5-Technique]

Anybody really want the IRS crawling up the ass of college athletics? A lot of people with no business or accounting background will need to send out shitloads of 1099s to these players and the feds...think they're up for that? It would be a colossal clusterF and we all know it.

Now, as an alternative, if the NCAA wants to peel off a little cash and start an IRA or some other kind of investment account for these kids, that is something you could legitimately talk about.

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

We are forgetting about the very large elephant in the room.....Title IX. If not for men's basketball and football, the other minor/Olympic sports could not function.

Then what happens to the schools like Marshall and Ohio U who cannot hope to be on par with WVU and Ohio State?

Then what happens by 23 when this law comes into effect and the TV contracts have all dried up because of live streaming?

I understand the problem of kids not getting any financial gain from their jerseys et al. But this is a solution in search of a problem. California has far bigger issues to tackle than a bill pushed by LeFraud James.

 

[Rootmaster]

Espn and the big money asses will get what they've always wanted...a national coference of blue bloods while the vast majority of schools will end up with "volunteer " teams playing before sparse crowd s in over priced deteriorating huge stadiums. For most schools like wvu it will be a return to 1928.

 

[Buckaineer]

Coaches, ADs, schools and conferences should immediately be banned from taking revenues earned by student athletes for their own power and enrichment.

Its theft, but happens every day. Its happened for years and decades on end.

These people are making BILLIONS per year off the backs of these football and basketball players, and its well past times that the athletes themselves join in the revenue stream, especially since they are largely responsible for it.

Every other student at the school (you know, those NOT contributing 20-100 plus million to the school each year off their backs, sweat, bodies, minds and time) can make whatever they want to while in school and can sell their likeness and image as they see fit.

So should the athletes generating the revenues be able to.

 

[Rootmaster]

The TEAM jerseys are not currency! F the left coasters

 

[oceantide83]

Coaches, ADs, schools and conferences should immediately be banned from taking revenues earned by student athletes for their own power and enrichment.

Its theft, but happens every day. Its happened for years and decades on end.

These people are making BILLIONS per year off the backs of these football and basketball players, and its well past times that the athletes themselves join in the revenue stream, especially since they are largely responsible for it.

Every other student at the school (you know, those NOT contributing 20-100 plus million to the school each year off their backs, sweat, bodies, minds and time) can make whatever they want to while in school and can sell their likeness and image as they see fit.

So should the athletes generating the revenues be able to.

Those athletes wouldn't have any monetary value at all if it weren't for the school they're attending. The university is the enabler. Without it, nobody would care about their likeness, image, or whatever.

 

[5-Technique]

Coaches, ADs, schools and conferences should immediately be banned from taking revenues earned by student athletes for their own power and enrichment.

Its theft, but happens every day. Its happened for years and decades on end.

These people are making BILLIONS per year off the backs of these football and basketball players, and its well past times that the athletes themselves join in the revenue stream, especially since they are largely responsible for it

Every other student at the school (you know, those NOT contributing 20-100 plus million to the school each year off their backs, sweat, bodies, minds and time) can make whatever they want to while in school and can sell their likeness and image as they see fit.

So should the athletes generating the revenues be able to.

Again, do people with your point of view really want the IRS to crawl up the ass of college athletics and take a good look? It won't work out for the better, I promise you.

 

[Rootmaster]

Hey idiot one...that would be you LittleBuckyWucky...here's the solution...eliminate all scholarship assistance ...use only true student athletes to field teams...cut out the jocks who can't open a text book...divert athletic funding to research and development...bulldoze the no longer needed football and basketball palaces...and reset sports into the right priority. Would have another benefit...the rest of us wouldn't have to listen to your pompous posts lol. You are a fool.

 

[RichardCranium1]

Maybe for the poors. Athletics and Academics don't compete against each other for funding at schools. Most athletics departments are self funded.
Maybe not at poor G5 schools and FCS schools but at the majority of the P5 level.

Not everyone is counting pennies to fund their programs.

 

[Rootmaster]

Most athletics departments are self funded.

Not true LimpDickHead.

 

[RichardCranium1]

Not true LimpDickHead.

Rootmaster always checking on my dick.
LilDickHead is only for your wife. Told you this already. Told her to never tell you. You still cool with the arrangement.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I have no problem with a student athlete making money off his own likeness such as a jersey, uniform or a video game with his likeness in it.

The problem will start with a booster that says hey sign this contract to play for so and so and we can hook you up with a product advertisement deal worth 50,000 dollars. Such and such of another school will then come by the recruit and say we can offer 75,000 dollars up and up and up the bidding will go.

You thought cheating was bad now. Just wait until this begins. Because it's going to happen.

 

[xgunnx]

I have no problem with a student athlete making money off his own likeness such as a jersey, uniform or a video game with his likeness in it.

The problem will start with a booster that says hey sign this contract to play for so and so and we can hook you up with a product advertisement deal worth 50,000 dollars. Such and such of another school will then come by the recruit and say we can offer 75,000 dollars up and up and up the bidding will go.

You thought cheating was bad now. Just wait until this begins. Because it's going to happen.

Exactly. It will just be another option in the "Blue Blood" Universities cheater "tool bag" of inducement to play for them.

 

[Buckaineer]

Hillary lost jackass...lol. You are such a progressive shit.

Again, do people with your point of view really want the IRS to crawl up the ass of college athletics and take a good look? It won't work out for the better, I promise you.

If the irs isnt crawling up the @$$ of the ads, coaches, universities, conferences, networks and ncaa, Im sure the athletes will be fine. They still arent going to be receiving anywhere near the payouts.

The problem isnt the athletes, its that they are being defrauded of millions of $$ per year while everyone else is getting rich off their backs.

They are putting in the blood sweat and tears, broken bones and bodies so you can pound your chest and claim " I won", Its time to do the right thing and allow them to join in the massive profiteering coming from college athletics. Not wanting this to happen is the problem of corrupt, bigoted minds who see human beings as some kind of commodity for their entertainment and exploitation.