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Should the NCAA tournament expand to 90 teams?

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If the NCAA men's tournament expanded to 90 teams, here's what the Power 6 conference allocations could look like. (Michael Wagstaffe / Yahoo Sports)

BY JEFF EISENBERG

Two or three times in the last decade, the NCAA men's basketball committee has been asked to consider increasing the current 68-team tournament field. Each time, the committee has quickly and emphatically shot down that idea without much discussion.



Now comes an expansion proposal that will demand a more thorough discussion, this one with the backing of the powerful Greg Sankey and an influential group of college athletics leaders. The NCAA's transformation committee, which has been tasked with modernizing college sports and improving the student-athlete experience, recommended in January to broaden access to Division I championships by allowing more teams to participate in those events.



This month, a little less than 19% of Division I's 363 men's basketball teams and 361 women's basketball teams will participate in the NCAA tournament. The transformation committee advised the NCAA to raise that to 25% in every team sport, which would mean 90-team men's and women's basketball tournaments.



Project what a 90-team NCAA tournament would look like this season and it’s easy to see the downside. The worst Villanova team in more than a decade would easily make that field. So would 16-win Florida and all 10 members of the Big 12 — even sub-.500 Oklahoma.



Whether that would render the regular season even more irrelevant is one factor for the men’s basketball committee to consider when it discusses potential NCAA tournament expansion later this year. The committee would also have to assess whether an extra round would mess up the pacing of the NCAA tournament and make it more difficult for Cinderellas to emerge.



And then there’s maybe the biggest component in all this: The cash.

In 2010, CBS and Turner Sports agreed to pay $10.8 billion to carry the men’s tournament for 14 years. CBS and Turner later signed an eight-year, $8.8 billion extension to continue to broadcast the tournament through 2032.



How much more money could the NCAA extract from its TV partners if it was able to offer more NCAA tournament games to air? Would that influx of TV and ticket revenue outweigh the travel expenses of sending more men’s and women’s teams to their sites? And, if so, would the short-term money be worth the risk of doing long-term damage to the primary money-maker propping up all of college athletics?



Serious questions would accompany any push for expansion. Would including every power-conference team with a pulse reduce the regular season to a seeding contest? Would adding a glut of borderline power-conference teams push more mid-majors into the play-in round and eliminate the giant-slaying Cinderellas that give the NCAA tournament its charm?



“The exclusivity is what makes it special,” said Wes Miller, whose 2017 UNC Greensboro team was the first team on the wrong side of the bubble. “... My first gut reaction has always been let’s be careful not to fix something that’s not broken. We have the greatest sporting event in the world, so I’m always super cautious suggesting changing something that is already elite.”



For a look at the extra 22 teams that would make this year’s tournament, go here. And, of course, let us know your thoughts.
 
It’s surprising that there isn’t a revolt and colleges don’t pull the plug on the NCAA in basketball like they did football back in the 80’s with the creation of the CFA. Think of the money that would be available.
 
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It's coming. Whatever makes them the money.

Yup. Just like the NBA, NHL, and progressing that way NFL and MLB, the playoffs will just be a watered down second season making the actual season useless.

If they wanted to make more money they could just eliminate half the automatic bids. If your conference has averaged double digit seeding for say the last 10 or even 20 years for your conference champ, you're automatic bid is gone. Perhaps they could even re-evaluate every 5 years or so where the bottom preforming conferences in the tournament lose their automatic bids giving an up coming conference a chance. In any event, letting in more teams like UNC or Oklahoma State instead of whatever 16 seed comes out of some of these automatic bid conferences would be both financially beneficial and beneficial to the spirit of the game aka the actual product being sold.

Of course the bad PR of being mean to the little guy would crop up. And while it wouldn't really hurt the financial bottom line, the pussies wearing the suits for the NCAA won't risk being called names by twits in the media. Thus they will add 2 more meaningless rounds of games to make money and not be called mean at the expense of actual product being sold.
 
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It’s surprising that there isn’t a revolt and colleges don’t pull the plug on the NCAA in basketball like they did football back in the 80’s with the creation of the CFA. Think of the money that would be available.
I'm thinking of all the money our company would lose, since the NCAA is one of our biggest clients. Will know who WVU is playing at 5 o'clock on Sunday. Send me $100, and I'll let you know an hour earlier than everybody else.
 
No on expanding. But yes, it probably will. Money rules, good decisions be damned.
 
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If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it! And March Madness definitely is NOT broke. Expanding to 90 sounds too much like a participation ribbon for everyone, as in children's sports. If it ain't break, DON'T "fix"" it!
 
The issue is everyone involved, whether it be college or pro, are short term stakeholders that are only worried about tomorrow and by extension their employment into tomorrow rather than the long term. If in the long term, there was a death of the sport in 20 years as a result of a dumb decision to kill the regular season and someone came back from the future to warn them about it, they would still do it to ensure their short term security.

NCAA rank and file employees and leadership? The tournament keeps them all employed, long term be damned if they don’t have jobs tomorrow.

Players? Yea 4 years tops and they are done, so the idea that more of them get to play in the tournament is appealing.

Coaches? Most of them are a bad season from being canned, so lowering the bar of what a “successful season” is, will be met with open arms.

ADs and Presidents? Most are hired guns that bounce around all over the place with a job that in a lot of ways is about raising money, so you’re not gonna see much resistance from this group collectively, except maybe from the power conference level.

It’s actually astonishing we haven’t gotten to 128 yet.
 
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The transformation committee advised the NCAA to raise that to 25% in every team sport
football has 133 FBS schools, which means 33 teams would make the playoff

baseball has 299 D1 programs, a 75 team playoff

M Soccer has 205 teams, a 51 team playoff

W Soccer has 333 teams, an 83 team playoff
 
football has 133 FBS schools, which means 33 teams would make the playoff

baseball has 299 D1 programs, a 75 team playoff

M Soccer has 205 teams, a 51 team playoff

W Soccer has 333 teams, an 83 team playoff

Expediting the inevitable breakup of haves and have nots. These stupid borderline high school conferences make for a cute story in March, but in no way should they objectively get an equal shot at a national title to a team that wins a power conference. The more the NCAA throws their weight around to let more crap programs get “their shot” on the biggest stage they have in the name of more dollars, the more likely the big schools take their ball and go home.
 
Yup. Just like the NBA, NHL, and progressing that way NFL and MLB, the playoffs will just be a watered down second season making the actual season useless.

If they wanted to make more money they could just eliminate half the automatic bids. If your conference has averaged double digit seeding for say the last 10 or even 20 years for your conference champ, you're automatic bid is gone. Perhaps they could even re-evaluate every 5 years or so where the bottom preforming conferences in the tournament lose their automatic bids giving an up coming conference a chance. In any event, letting in more teams like UNC or Oklahoma State instead of whatever 16 seed comes out of some of these automatic bid conferences would be both financially beneficial and beneficial to the spirit of the game aka the actual product being sold.

Of course the bad PR of being mean to the little guy would crop up. And while it wouldn't really hurt the financial bottom line, the pussies wearing the suits for the NCAA won't risk being called names by twits in the media. Thus they will add 2 more meaningless rounds of games to make money and not be called mean at the expense of actual product being sold.
When has the NBA or NHL changed the amount of participants in the playoffs? There has been more change from MLB and NFL then these two leagues.
 
I'm thinking of all the money our company would lose, since the NCAA is one of our biggest clients. Will know who WVU is playing at 5 o'clock on Sunday. Send me $100, and I'll let you know an hour earlier than everybody else.
LMAO...nobody cares...why are you still posting stuff that zero people here want to read
 
When has the NBA or NHL changed the amount of participants in the playoffs? There has been more change from MLB and NFL then these two leagues.

It is not that they've changed it, it is that the NBA and NHL have over 50 percent of their teams in the playoffs. That is literally just a diluted second season and makes the regular season of much less consequence.
 
If it makes money they'll go 90. Doesn't matter what the normal fan says.
 
They should let 75% of the teams make the playoff and make the playoff be quadruple elimination.
 
They should let 75% of the teams make the playoff and make the playoff be quadruple elimination.
Sarcasm that puts the irrationality of the OP in its place. 68 (64) teams is PERFECT and the greatest tournament in sports anywhere in the world. Again, it it ain't broke, don't "fix" it!
 
Exactly!!!! Just like when the WVSSAC decided to expand the HS basketball tournament to 4 classes. 8 teams come to Charleston that otherwise would not have gone. Then add in the Mick Price rule that allows the sectional loser to play to go to Charleston.
Think that had more to do with the private schools recruiting and dominating the Single A class more than anything else. And several states allow their district/sectional runner ups to move on. That didn't increase the number of teams involved, that just made sure the BEST teams made it.
 
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Sarcasm that puts the irrationality of the OP in its place. 68 (64) teams is PERFECT and the greatest tournament in sports anywhere in the world. Again, it it ain't broke, don't "fix" it!
Personally thought 32 was perfect and 48 was good. 68/64 a crumbled glob of gue. And 90 might as well use all 360 teams.
 
Why has no seed lower than an 8 ever won the tournament then? It's not magic, it's money that keeps it bloated and inefficient.
Why has no seed lower than an 8 ever won the tournament then?

Because they didn't step up to the plate, to mix sports metaphors, when it counted the most. Politics didn't keep 9 and lower from winning. Performances on the court did. Isn't that the way it should be: Team that performs best wins? Money has nothing to do with which team wins March Madness. It's ALWAYS the team that wins 6 straight games. No vote among "experts." Tipoff the ball and have at it! MOST PERFECT tournament in sports in the world! Don't mess with it!!!
 
Why has no seed lower than an 8 ever won the tournament then?

Because they didn't step up to the plate, to mix sports metaphors, when it counted the most. Politics didn't keep 9 and lower from winning. Performances on the court did. Isn't that the way it should be: Team that performs best wins? Money has nothing to do with which team wins March Madness. It's ALWAYS the team that wins 6 straight games. No vote among "experts." Tipoff the ball and have at it! MOST PERFECT tournament in sports in the world! Don't mess with it!!!
No it isn't. In fact, it was found to be a terrible method for determining the best team in the country.
 
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Why has no seed lower than an 8 ever won the tournament then?

Because they didn't step up to the plate, to mix sports metaphors, when it counted the most. Politics didn't keep 9 and lower from winning. Performances on the court did. Isn't that the way it should be: Team that performs best wins? Money has nothing to do with which team wins March Madness. It's ALWAYS the team that wins 6 straight games. No vote among "experts." Tipoff the ball and have at it! MOST PERFECT tournament in sports in the world! Don't mess with it!!!
So, WVU won't be Natty Champs this year?
 
Very difficult draw for WVU.
How is Michigan's or Marshall's draw dumbass?

Another high quality post from the turdboy....you think being in the same bracket with the top seed isn't going to be difficult?

So glad you are here to tell us these things.

Now shuttle along since nobody wants you here.
 
Did the draw happen yet?
I knew the draw at 5 o'clock, and thought WVU got a tough draw. Maryland should be a pretty even game, as both teams are similar in the style they play. Having to play top overall seed in their home state is the biggest challenge, but both Maryland and WVU have the types of teams that have given Alabama fits this year, with a physical style of defense. Guess it will all come down to how the game would be officiated against Alabama, meaning touch fouls wouldn't be a good thing for either the Terps or WVU.
 
I knew the draw at 5 o'clock, and thought WVU got a tough draw. Maryland should be a pretty even game, as both teams are similar in the style they play. Having to play top overall seed in their home state is the biggest challenge, but both Maryland and WVU have the types of teams that have given Alabama fits this year, with a physical style of defense. Guess it will all come down to how the game would be officiated against Alabama, meaning touch fouls wouldn't be a good thing for either the Terps or WVU.

I feel like the NCAA wants Bama out bad before the Final Four, they don’t want to deal with the potential for something new coming to light with a player who just won their annual reason to exist (not discounting the present facts are very sketchy as it is). I can see the refs going our way for once should we get past Maryland.

As for the draw, it’s pretty standard when you play a season like the one we did, you play a tossup game and then have the Herculean task of taking out a 1 seed. If fortunate enough to survive the first weekend, we’ll see where the chips fall. UVA in particular seems like a paper tiger.
 
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I feel like the NCAA wants Bama out bad before the Final Four, they don’t want to deal with the potential for something new coming to light with a player who just won their annual reason to exist (not discounting the present facts are very sketchy as it is). I can see the refs going our way for once should we get past Maryland.

As for the draw, it’s pretty standard when you play a season like the one we did, you play a tossup game and then have the Herculean task of taking out a 1 seed. If fortunate enough to survive the first weekend, we’ll see where the chips fall. UVA in particular seems like a paper tiger.
It's hard to tell how the Maryland game will turn out. Terps are pretty much unbeatable when they play at home, and God-awful on the road. Obviously, neutral site game, and both teams are eerily similar. Maryland only has one big (Julian Reese), and he tends to get into foul trouble. They also play a more slower, deliberate style, and rely mostly on hitting 3s. Jahmir Young is their stud, and Donta Scott is the big bruiser guy that likes to drive the ball inside. Line is probably close to a pick-em, or WVU a slight favorite.
 
It's hard to tell how the Maryland game will turn out. Terps are pretty much unbeatable when they play at home, and God-awful on the road. Obviously, neutral site game, and both teams are eerily similar. Maryland only has one big (Julian Reese), and he tends to get into foul trouble. They also play a more slower, deliberate style, and rely mostly on hitting 3s. Jahmir Young is their stud, and Donta Scott is the big bruiser guy that likes to drive the ball inside. Line is probably close to a pick-em, or WVU a slight favorite.
WVU is favored ar -2
 
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