Please tell me that Republicans are embarrassed by Greene, Perry, etc….

[roadtrasheer]

1- I dont think Trump has ever put ANY interest above his own.
2- I dont think you’re a total badass, but your resentment makes you way too hard to other ideas and opinions. Personally, I think someone who has served for us, has that right. But it is unhealthy and unAmerican, imo, just the same.
3- I cant believe it is one Party corrupting our institutions, it is either both or none.

Both is corrupt AF.
Lifelong politicians has made it this way ..good for thee not me laws . You voted for part of the problem, he has 40+ years of political debt hanging over him & has only accomplished 1 positive thing & he ran on doing away with it . My goodness look at our representatives & their ages .... wow !! Nancy we have to pass it Pelosi.... McConnell....the list is endless. Klansmen bird was already in decaying when he left .
Yet you & 80 million people voted for a senile lifetime habitual liar, according to the MSM in 88...

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I didnt say the Republican Party was racist, I said it is pretty obvious who the racists vote for — there is a difference

Overwhelmingly vote Democrat. This is you stereotyping racism as being unique to whites. That either means you’re not around many minorities (possible) or you’re just ignorant to the implications of what they say and mean (probable)

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Compromise obviously. And let’s be clear, your view, it’s not constant, it keeps rolling left.

It is my country too though, what do you expect me to do, when you openly assert my view of the world has no place in policy?

 

[TarHeelEer]

Compromise obviously. And let’s be clear, your view, it’s not constant, it keeps rolling left.

Rolling isn't severe enough. Flying off the edge of the cliff left is better. They cannot and do not know how to compromise. Their idea of compromise is always giving them half of what they want, and screw you on your's.

 

[Boomboom521]

Overwhelmingly vote Democrat. This is you stereotyping racism as being unique to whites. That either means you’re not around many minorities (possible) or you’re just ignorant to the implications of what they say and mean (probable)

When I refer to a “racist”, for me, it means someone who sees races as defining a hierarchy, not just someone who draws lines of race. Although, i am aware that simply seeing people in terms of race is technically “racist”, i am more concerned with those that use race to define the worth of a person.

 

[roadtrasheer]

When I refer to a “racist”, for me, it means someone who sees races as defining a hierarchy, not just someone who draws lines of race. Although, i am aware that simply seeing people in terms of race is technically “racist”, i am more concerned with those that use race to define the worth of a person.

Mean like joe Bidens pick for scotus. Or joe not wanting to bus black kids to white schools...that type of stuff

 

[Boomboom521]

Mean like joe Bidens pick for scotus. Or joe not wanting to bus black kids to white schools...that type of stuff

I dont know, looking at effects systemic racism has had on African Americans over our nation’s history, I think using race as a component in seeking to reverse those effects can be effective, no?
For example, affirmative action benefits in hiring and college acceptance practices was an effective tool, imo. The trick is seeking balance, and eliminating the programs when it has an adverse effect. Now I hear people whining about how African Americans have a better chance than whites, well it has been the opposite for much longer, so has the effect found balance? It is a more complex question than it seems to most.

Although I think it was ridiculously foolish for Biden to openly admit it, I have no problem with him specifically seeking an African American woman for the bench, and I think he made a qualified pick.

Busing has been an issue in the past as well.

 

[Boomboom521]

I will say this though, white supremacy is much more organized and larger than I thought it was before Trump ran for office. One of the reason I got on here was to see if racism plays a role, and there are several posters that make it very clear that white supremacy racism is still alive

 

[Mntneer]

I will say this though, white supremacy is much more organized and larger than I thought it was before Trump ran for office. One of the reason I got on here was to see if racism plays a role, and there are several posters that make it very clear that white supremacy racism is still alive

You're confusing truth in the data with the belief that one race is superior to another.

For example, you thinking THE's post (about 18% of the population being black, and the FACT that it took a large amount of white people voting for Obama to get him elected) as being racist. That's not racist. That's factually accurate.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I think this post is racist to be honest with you

Please share your definition of racist. And explain how anything in my post is racist.

 

[Boomboom521]

You're confusing truth in the data with the belief that one race is superior to another.

For example, you thinking THE's post (about 18% of the population being black, and the FACT that it took a large amount of white people voting for Obama to get him elected) as being racist. That's not racist. That's factually accurate.

I wasn’t referring to THE

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I dont know, looking at effects systemic racism has had on African Americans over our nation’s history, I think using race as a component in seeking to reverse those effects can be effective, no?
For example, affirmative action benefits in hiring and college acceptance practices was an effective tool, imo. The trick is seeking balance, and eliminating the programs when it has an adverse effect. Now I hear people whining about how African Americans have a better chance than whites, well it has been the opposite for much longer, so has the effect found balance? It is a more complex question than it seems to most.

Although I think it was ridiculously foolish for Biden to openly admit it, I have no problem with him specifically seeking an African American woman for the bench, and I think he made a qualified pick.

Busing has been an issue in the past as well.

So essentially, you’re ok with discrimination against everyone qualified who isn’t a black female? That’s also racism against every race who isn’t black. Thanks for calling yourself out.

 

[Boomboom521]

Please share your definition of racist. And explain how anything in my post is racist.

Please share your definition of racist. And explain how anything in my post is racist.

Assuming that Obama being elected (as the first AA to ever hold the office) is proof that white supremacy isnt alive and well. 18% of Americans might be the same race as Obama, but I am sure not all AA voters automatically voted for Obama. I am also sure that some racists (people who see race in terms of hierarchy) voted for Obama.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Assuming that Obama being elected (as the first AA to ever hold the office) is proof that white supremacy isnt alive and well. 18% of Americans might be the same race as Obama, but I am sure not all AA voters automatically voted for Obama. I am also sure that some racists (people who see race in terms of hierarchy) voted for Obama.

Lmao! Wtf? How does anything in my post relate to racism? You’re not making any sense.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

When I refer to a “racist”, for me, it means someone who sees races as defining a hierarchy, not just someone who draws lines of race. Although, i am aware that simply seeing people in terms of race is technically “racist”, i am more concerned with those that use race to define the worth of a person.

So then the entire rhetoric from the left about the white oppressors? That’s not racist based on your definition?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Assuming that Obama being elected (as the first AA to ever hold the office) is proof that white supremacy isnt alive and well. 18% of Americans might be the same race as Obama, but I am sure not all AA voters automatically voted for Obama. I am also sure that some racists (people who see race in terms of hierarchy) voted for Obama.

I think there is overwhelming data to substantiate White Supremacy as an influential mechanism in any aspect of our country is a thing of the distant past. Based on your assessment, you all don’t even know what actual racism is anymore. Racism is people disagreeing with you.

Trump was the worst White Supremacist in history, or he wasn’t one. Yet, it didn’t stop you all from claiming he was, even though again, overwhelming policy actions to substantiate him not being one.

 

[Boomboom521]

I think there is overwhelming data to substantiate White Supremacy as an influential mechanism in any aspect of our country is a thing of the distant past. Based on your assessment, you all don’t even know what actual racism is anymore. Racism is people disagreeing with you.

Trump was the worst White Supremacist in history, or he wasn’t one. Yet, it didn’t stop you all from claiming he was, even though again, overwhelming policy actions to substantiate him not being one.

Overwhelming - used twice, starting to sound like him. Just say it, and it is so

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Overwhelming - used twice, starting to sound like him. Just say it, and it is so

I used appropriate adjectives

 

[Boomboom521]

I used appropriate adjectives

Sad how truth is so distorted these days - we can almost believe whatever we want now. Doesnt bode well for actual solutions

 

[TarHeelEer]

Sad how truth is so distorted these days - we can almost believe whatever we want now. Doesnt bode well for actual solutions

Welcome to our world for the last 10 years.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Sad how truth is so distorted these days - we can almost believe whatever we want now. Doesnt bode well for actual solutions

The difference being, I can substantiate my position with factual information. You have rhetoric.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I think there is overwhelming data to substantiate White Supremacy as an influential mechanism in any aspect of our country is a thing of the distant past. Based on your assessment, you all don’t even know what actual racism is anymore. Racism is people disagreeing with you.

Trump was the worst White Supremacist in history, or he wasn’t one. Yet, it didn’t stop you all from claiming he was, even though again, overwhelming policy actions to substantiate him not being one.

They can’t figure out the definition or meaning of racism. They frequently confuse stereotypes as racist. They overwhelmingly think whites are all racist. They falsely believe white people can only be racist. They think disagreeing with liberal policy means you’re racist. BoomBoom is just another brainwashed liberal.

 

[roadtrasheer]

I dont know, looking at effects systemic racism has had on African Americans over our nation’s history, I think using race as a component in seeking to reverse those effects can be effective, no?
For example, affirmative action benefits in hiring and college acceptance practices was an effective tool, imo. The trick is seeking balance, and eliminating the programs when it has an adverse effect. Now I hear people whining about how African Americans have a better chance than whites, well it has been the opposite for much longer, so has the effect found balance? It is a more complex question than it seems to most.

Although I think it was ridiculously foolish for Biden to openly admit it, I have no problem with him specifically seeking an African American woman for the bench, and I think he made a qualified pick.

Busing has been an issue in the past as well.

Took a lot of white folks to free blacks , took a lot of white folks to get rid of Jim crow, all had a r beside there name .
To say we dont have racist would be a lie. To say its running wildly through government & laws is just as wrong. Many cities have black mayors, governors & police chiefs.
Must be sad going through life seeing all things in color.....

 

[lenny4wvu]

“No real strong feeling” on a member of Congress calling for Marshal Law to overturn an election? Yeah, that’s some real rule of law, Constitutional purity conservatism there. Guess your principles go out the window when referencing your side in the fight.

Disney was given this deal for choosing FLA as it’s build site. They provide their own services (fire, police, etc…) in exchange for tax breaks. They employ more people than any other company in the State, and have provided a substantial influx of tourists into Orlando for 50 years. How many businesses have been successful in and around Orlando because of Disney? How many residents, providing income tax for the State have been brought in because of Disney?

All because the CEO spoke out against the ridiculous “dont say gay” legislation. I think extremism has effected the right as much as it has the left.

Gurl, you are …SOOOOOO …WRONG !! Disney has been a pedophiles playground for …DECADES ! Who in hell, anchors a disney cruise ship, off of Epstein island to scuba dive!! Epstein ISLAND..OF ALL PLACES.. Oh, and this one other…FACT Joetatoes..BROTHER has an ISLAND ..NEXT DOOR to EPSTEIN ISLAND…😬😧😳🤯🤬🤯

 

[Boomboom521]

The difference being, I can substantiate my position with factual information. You have rhetoric.

Ok

 

[Brushy Bill]

This is why talking to a lefty like Boomer is pointless.

RHETORIC by Aristlotle is now available from Castalia Library in both Castalia Library and Libraria Castalia editions. It’s one of our fastest-selling books, as we’d already be sold out if we hadn’t boosted the print run to 850. There are currently just 93 79 53 30 copies left in stock. In addition to featuring our most Franklinesque spine – which you can see above in between SUMMA ELVETICA and HEIDI on the left – it also features a preface by yours truly.

Preface to Rhetoric​

Aristotle’s Rhetoric is one of the most useful and important analyses of human communication ever written. It is also one of the great philosopher’s least appreciated works, as it is easily mistaken for a mere technical breakdown of the various forms of persuasion rather than what it truly is, a brilliant conceptual guide to understanding and anticipating human behavior.

While a considerable portion of the text is devoted to the mechanics of the syllogism and the enthymeme, as well as the presentation of the inevitable lists which Aristotle characteristically constructs, by far the most important element of this little book is the philosopher’s division of humanity into two fundamental classes: those who are capable of learning through information and those who are not.

This is such an important distinction that it is remarkable for its complete absence from the schools and universities today. The distinction calls into question everything from modern pedagogical systems to personal conversations while simultaneously explaining the mystery that has confounded every intelligent individual who has ever tried, and failed, to explain the obvious to another person.

Indeed, it is comforting to have one’s long-held suspicions about the intrinsic limitations of one’s fellow man confirmed so comprehensively. More importantly, Aristotle’s rhetorical framework provides those who understand and apply it the ability to effectively communicate to the full spectrum of humanity, in effect permitting the reader to transcend his natural psycho-linguistic instincts and attain true intellectual polylingualism.

It must be admitted that Rhetoric would be considerably more accessible if the terminology utilized was a little more expansive and a little less imitated. Even though his definition makes sense when the relevant terms are analyzed in detail, it is not exactly conducive to comprehension for Aristotle to define the two subsets of rhetoric to be dialectic and rhetoric, therein requiring a casual distinction between rhetoric and rhetoric-rhetoric, or capital-R Rhetoric and lowercase-r rhetoric. Adding to the confusion is the fact that both Hegel and Marx subsequently attempted to redefine the term dialectic, although there is precious little in common between Aristotelian dialectic, Hegelian dialectic, Marxian dialectic, and the current dictionary term.

However, once the reader grasps that in this context, Rhetoric simply means persuasion, which is divided into a) fact-and-reason based persuasion, or dialectic, and b) emotion-based persuasion, or rhetoric, the basic framework becomes clear. The philosopher explains that while some people can be persuaded by information and logical demonstrations, people are most readily persuaded by emotional manipulation. Moreover, some people can only be persuaded by emotional manipulation, as Aristotle observes in what may be the most important sentence in the book.

Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.

What Aristotle is observing is that some of those who are limited to rhetoric are immune to dialectic. Such individuals cannot be swayed by facts or reason, no matter how exact the knowledge provided, no matter how impeccable the logic presented. Those who are immune to dialectic can only be reached through rhetoric, which is to say by manipulation that plays upon their emotions more effectively than whatever feelings inspired them to be convicted of their current beliefs.

While this manipulation may strike some readers as unethical, it is justified by necessity, as the duty of rhetoric requires addressing those “who cannot take in at a glance a complicated argument, or follow a long chain of reasoning.” While the enthymeme resembles the logical syllogism, it is not, in fact, logic, and the truths that it proves are only apparent truths.

Which, of course, is another way of saying that they are literal untruths.

This is why people whose natural preferences incline toward dialectic have a strong tendency to regard rhetoric as being fundamentally dishonest, and to consider the emotional manipulation involved in utilizing rhetoric to be intrinsically wrong. This distaste for rhetoric among those capable of utilizing dialectic is common, but it is nevertheless false. First, because even the most logically correct dialectic can be entirely false if the premises upon which the syllogisms are constructed are false. Second, because the more that the rhetoric incorporates and points toward the truth, the more effective it tends to be.

Neither dialectic nor rhetoric are inherently true or false; the very attempt to distinguish them in this manner is to make a category error. It might help to think of them as languages; just as one could not reasonably describe English as honest while insisting that German is deceptive and morally wrong, one should not assign morality to either of the two subsets of Rhetoric.

It is more correct, more practical, and more effective to apply the principle of utilizing the form of communication best understood by the listener. Just as one would not speak Chinese to an individual who only understands English, one should not rely upon rhetoric when speaking to a dialectic-speaker, or expect a rhetoric-speaker to be persuaded by dialectical arguments.

Aristotle himself believed it was vital for a man to be able to employ both arts, not so much for the purposes of persuasion, but rather, to avoid being deceived.

We must be able to employ persuasion, just as strict reasoning can be employed, on opposite sides of a question, not in order that we may in practice employ it in both ways (for we must not make people believe what is wrong), but in order that we may see clearly what the facts are, and that, if another man argues unfairly, we on our part may be able to confute him. No other of the arts draws opposite conclusions: dialectic and rhetoric alone do this. Both these arts draw opposite conclusions impartially. Nevertheless, the underlying facts do not lend themselves equally well to the contrary views. No; things that are true and things that are better are, by their nature, practically always easier to prove and easier to believe in.

Aristotle’s Rhetoric is every bit as useful and valid today as it was when it was first written more than 2,300 years ago. It is less a work of philosophy than a treasure chest of practical information for the individual who seeks to pursue the Good, the Beautiful, and the True.

 

[SoCo]

Here’s another fact to debunk your dumbass. Blacks represent 13% of the current US population. If whites are soo racist, how did Obama get elected POTUS twice? A lot of whites had to vote for him. How did that happen?

3 of the last 4 Presidential elections have seen a black man or woman elected to an office in the White House.

Doesn't seem like we have a systemic problem to me.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Took a lot of white folks to free blacks , took a lot of white folks to get rid of Jim crow, all had a r beside there name .
To say we dont have racist would be a lie. To say its running wildly through government & laws is just as wrong. Many cities have black mayors, governors & police chiefs.
Must be sad going through life seeing all things in color.....

Exactly. The world will always have racists. That will never change. However, it’s an insult to our ancestors of all colors to make believe blacks are still held down in this country and unable to flourish. A lot of whites fought in the civil war to free blacks. It’s BS to blame us for racism and ignore that fact! How many times do we as a country have to revisit the civil rights act? It’s done. It’s over. We’re all Americans and have the same rights regardless of color. The Democrat Party knows that, it’s the naive libtard followers who blindly fall for it. It’s all votes to remain in power. Democrats don’t give 2 shits about minorities and only use them for votes. Period.

 

[SoCo]

I agree lines are drawn almost in an attempt to make issues where there are none. I think joking about stereotypes is actually a pretty good thing - as long as respect is given as well. But there are really only two ways you can view events such as the LA riots, the OJ verdict, the BLM movement and it’s aggressive nature:
1- it is a result of generations of distrust and frustration, that comes from feeling disenfranchised and marginalized by the government of the nation you were born into
2- it is more of a racial component

I think if we are honest with ourselves, it really boils down to one of those two causes. Sure, you can identify the political influence as a fuel for the fire, but it cannot account for the amount of rage seen, imo.

I dont think it is a racial component at all, so I am more sensitive to the social constructs and systemic issues that have continued to create the feelings of disenfranchisement.

I consider an American citizen to be an American citizen, simple as that. If you are hear illegally, I want you to have a pathway to become a citizen. Even if it means bypassing proper immigration laws, if they want to be an American let’s get them on the books.

Here is the problem with that and I will single out BLM from your post. BLM began with the Zimmerman/MArtin incident; it expanded significantly due to the Mike BRown/Officer Wilson incident; and blew up on a global scale as a result of the George Floyd incident.

Since BLM claims it now focuses on Police racism, I will focus on the 2 incidents involving the police, which are Brown and Floyd.

Name 1 fact of the Mike Brown incident that indicates Officer Wilson was racist or motivated by race. Then name 1 fact of the George Floyd incident that suggests Officer Chauvin was racist or motivated by race.

Chauvin may be a a shitty abusive cop and a murderer. But what facts elevate him to a racist shitty abusive cop and murderer? I have never had anyone provide a single fact when asked (which includes BLM representatives) but BLM is certain those facts exist. Name 1.

 

[SoCo]

Overwhelmingly vote Democrat. This is you stereotyping racism as being unique to whites. That either means you’re not around many minorities (possible) or you’re just ignorant to the implications of what they say and mean (probable)

In today's America, there is definitely more racism in the black communities than the hispanic, Asian, or white communities. The problem with the black community is they see everything through race. The white man is the culprit for all their problems. And their reliance on false prohpets in the media and activist groups repeating it is exactly why the same problems have persisted in the black communities for decades.

You can't cure the problem until you properly identify it.

 

[SoCo]

Assuming that Obama being elected (as the first AA to ever hold the office) is proof that white supremacy isnt alive and well. 18% of Americans might be the same race as Obama, but I am sure not all AA voters automatically voted for Obama. I am also sure that some racists (people who see race in terms of hierarchy) voted for Obama.

94% of blacks voted for Obama in 2008 according to the statistics.

I can only imagine what you would say had 94% of whites voted for McCain in that election.

Not to mention blacks turned out in record numbers never seen before just to vote for the black candidate.

 

[atlkvb]

Just finished reading the thread. So much relative ignorance on display from boomboom, won't even dignify it with a comment. Besides most of the posters made the salient points.

I'm on my phone while reading this and just wish I could post that meme of "I live in my own reality" Mermaid riding a Unicorn😂

 

[WVU82]

 

[roadtrasheer]

In today's America, there is definitely more racism in the black communities than the hispanic, Asian, or white communities. The problem with the black community is they see everything through race. The white man is the culprit for all their problems. And their reliance on false prohpets in the media and activist groups repeating it is exactly why the same problems have persisted in the black communities for decades.

You can't cure the problem until you properly identify it.

The white liberal is the cause for most of their problems.
Free housing, free food , free education.... no skin in the game .
Malcolm x said it best .
By definition a racist feels superior to another person due to race ,gender or religion. There is ugly racist who feel this way & mistreat people due to this , then there is people like boom who I call a soft racist.... a liberal who feels he must HELP minorities because only he/she can . They must help them by giving them things .... then there is people like me who says....you ain't no better than my poor hillbilly azz get up & get what you want ....now I'm called a racist. I work side by side with blacks, women & Hispanics in the shit holes of the east coast... funny thing is all the minority people I work with every day would laugh at him as we are grilling a burger on the back of my rig ....& drinking a cold beer watching some big fat azz walking by ....

 

[atlkvb]

The white liberal is the cause for most of their problems.
Free housing, free food , free education.... no skin in the game .
Malcolm x said it best .
By definition a racist feels superior to another person due to race ,gender or religion. There is ugly racist who feel this way & mistreat people due to this , then there is people like boom who I call a soft racist.... a liberal who feels he must HELP minorities because only he/she can . They must help them by giving them things .... then there is people like me who says....you ain't no better than my poor hillbilly azz get up & get what you want ....now I'm called a racist. I work side by side with blacks, women & Hispanics in the shit holes of the east coast... funny thing is all the minority people I work with every day would laugh at him as we are grilling a burger on the back of my rig ....& drinking a cold beer watching some big fat azz walking by ....

He is not a serious poster, I don't know why anyone takes what he posts seriously. He just likes to get conversation stirred up, while offering nothing substantive or anything based in fact.

 

[atlkvb]

94% of blacks voted for Obama in 2008 according to the statistics.

I can only imagine what you would say had 94% of whites voted for McCain in that election.

I was once accused by a White Leftist posting on this forum (while claiming to be Black) of not voting in my own best interests voting for Trump.

As an African American I thought that was one of the most racist things anyone White could ever say to me.

Despite repeated attempts on my part to have that poster explain the remark, I never got an answer. That poster btw was almost unanimously voted by members of this forum as a stone cold racist.

 

[roadtrasheer]

I was once accused by a White Leftist posting on this forum (while claiming to be Black) of not voting in my own best interests voting for Trump.

As an African American I thought that was one of the most racist things anyone White could ever say to me.

Despite repeated attempts on my part to have that poster explain the remark, I never got an answer. That poster btw was almost unanimously voted by members of this forum as a stone cold racist.

I truly thought being racist meant that I felt better than another due to race or gender. Last time I checked if I feel I must take care of another person because of race that would make me a racist...correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[atlkvb]

I truly thought being racist meant that I felt better than another due to race or gender. Last time I checked if I feel I must take care of another person because of race that would make me a racist...correct me if I'm wrong.

You're a racist if you oppose Leftists.

Period. Even Black folks like me who didn't vote for creepy Joe and no longer are Black are still racists! 😁

 

[roadtrasheer]

You're a racist if you oppose Leftists.

Period. Even Black folks like me who didn't vote for creepy Joe and no longer are Black are still racists! 😁

You racist if ya say boys cant have babies.....

 

[atlkvb]

You racist if ya say boys cant have babies.....

You're a racist if you even say "boy"! 😱