"Suck it" isnt a middle school response?
You are by far the worst poster here...please....just go away.
WVSPORTS.COM Overview of the new football facilities
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You are by far the worst poster here...please....just go away.
How many Big 12 titles has WVU won? How many CFP appearances has WVU had? How many national championships? What about 11 and 11 the last two seasons for example? On and on.....Doesnt sound like keeping up the lavish spending at whatever time in history has produced any return. Spending on bs items is an excuse for gullible jock adoring fans.
Whatever is not flowing or moving, often becomes foul-smelling or stale.
That is my opinion of you. Non flowing.
And yet you follow me around and respond with the same semi literate responses. Just ignore me doofus.
What is your alternative goal here? Do you even have one?
These are not opinions you're shitting out of your mouth. They are attention statements. It's you waving your arms 'hey look at me.'
Dude shut the hell up and go root for some program that doesn’t care about college football. You’re in the wrong place
This is my last reply here, but you realize that facility upgrades lead to better recruiting. Better recruiting (with quality coaching) leads to better results. There is no denying that West Virginia is recruiting better. This is an absolute fact. This class is currently on pace (keyword on pace) to be the best class in the Rivals.com internet era. Last class was the best class in that era in terms of quality per recruit, this current class is sitting at second. Now, with quality coaching which I think most reasonable people believe is certainly in the Puskar building right now that should lead to better on the field results. This staff has already shown improvement going from 5-7 to 6-4 (which we could easily argue had they played Oklahoma, Florida State and Maryland last year we'd be talking 8-5) and that was in a complete rebuild. Why was it a complete rebuild? Look at the 2018 roster and the turnover that occurred. Take the 2017 recruiting class for example, there is literally one player from that group still on the team. And only two high school players including that one (Exree Loe and Darius Stills) even finished their eligibility here. Then factor in the transfers and players that left early which always occurs in a coaching change along with the commitment Holgorsen had to taking transfers it meant guys were gone in one or two years. That's a lot of proven talent out the door when Brown took over and that doesn't even include guys that left for non-football reasons like Kenny Robinson, Derrek Pitts, etc. This staff is committed to doing it through development primarily in the high school ranks. That takes time, which obviously the administration is behind with the extension they just gave Brown. Let's revisit this conversation in a couple years and see where they stand.
So Keenan...the never ending struggle to "stay competitive " is in your opinion a worthy expenditure of money? Bottom line this has been going on for decades and will never end. Let's revisit this as you say in a few years. My bet the athletic department will once again be seeking funds to "upgrade ". Anyway thanks for the story.
It doesn't matter my opinion on it. How I feel isn't going to change anything. But as somebody that is immersed in college athletics and especially recruiting, you have to continue to upgrade your facilities to stay competitive. If you want to have a highly competitive football program it is a never-ending arm's race. It isn't something just at West Virginia, it's every major program. Take a gander at some of the lower level teams and how they've fallen behind. It makes a massive difference. There's a reason most kids I talk to always talk about the facilities at West Virginia or any other school they visit. Kids want to have the best stuff whether you or I think it's the best way to spend money. That's an entirely different argument altogether.
Root,
You do understand the irony of your argument? Arguing academics on a sports board? Not that I disagree with what you stated but the irony is at least amusing.
It's apparent WVU isn't that interested in changing academically. It's continued abysmal academic rankings seem to have no effect. WVU is what it is - a land-grant university that caters to children that come from one of the worst and poorest public school systems in the country that seemingly yearly falls further and further behind. It's losing teachers because new ones won't work for the low pay and the elder ones leave because of the ever-changing philosophies and attempts to reinvent the wheel. You claim that athletes are mostly just a waste of money and scholarships. It doesn't end with just them. More and more incoming freshmen require remedial classes before they even begin. The list just goes on and on.
So, you see, there is great futility in trying to argue the academic side of things. Throwing more money into the academic side of things isn't going to change anything until WVU takes the steps to become exclusive. Then, and only then, will rankings change and more money become a necessity.
So, until then, WVU might as well throw their money at trying to create something that will hopefully bring in more money that could always go for other things when the time is right.
You do understand the irony of your argument? Arguing academics on a sports board? Not that I disagree with what you stated but the irony is at least amusing.
It's apparent WVU isn't that interested in changing academically. It's continued abysmal academic rankings seem to have no effect. WVU is what it is - a land-grant university that caters to children that come from one of the worst and poorest public school systems in the country that seemingly yearly falls further and further behind. It's losing teachers because new ones won't work for the low pay and the elder ones leave because of the ever-changing philosophies and attempts to reinvent the wheel. You claim that athletes are mostly just a waste of money and scholarships. It doesn't end with just them. More and more incoming freshmen require remedial classes before they even begin. The list just goes on and on.
So, you see, there is great futility in trying to argue the academic side of things. Throwing more money into the academic side of things isn't going to change anything until WVU takes the steps to become exclusive. Then, and only then, will rankings change and more money become a necessity.
So, until then, WVU might as well throw their money at trying to create something that will hopefully bring in more money that could always go for other things when the time is right.
Well throwing money at a bunch of 18 year old to attend the state university to play a game while the state crumbles is more than questionable. It is plain dumb...an opiod for the masses to divert attention. Great facilities will not make life better for majority of mountain state residents.
You guys can explain it root 100 times and you arent going to change his 1954 opinion of how college athletics should work.
Guy needs gone...not for having a different opinion...but for mucking up the board time and time again.
Guy needs gone...not for having a different opinion...but for mucking up the board time and time again.
So you think we should drop to division 3 level and join the liberal schools of the ivy leagues?
Root,
I don't think you're understanding what you are arguing.
Are you arguing that government money being thrown at the state residents is going to improve their lives? That sounds a lot like a form of socialism, which I know you are against.
It's a free market and in the free market you have to do what you have to do to compete. Our best and brightest, for the most part, have to leave the state hopefully to return at retirement. The free market of this state is sloooooooowly picking up but is decades behind its neighbors. We're doing what we have to with the limited resources we have/had to compete.
Same goes with WVU. It can't compete academically so it has to use free market ideas like building facilities to compete athletically to bring in more money.
I get the sentiment of your argument and don't disagree with it at all. But, right now, we can't have both. At least until there are some foundational changes put in place.
Well at least you haven't used the other half of your vocabulary yet. That would using bitch every third word.
I hear what you're saying, but don't forget the amount of money and prestige a successful football program brings to the University and Morgantown. I'm not even talking about the scholarships and salaries it pays for non revenue sports, especially for women. I'm talking hotels, restaurants, gift shops, apparel stores, audio visual outlets, entertainment venues, and a variety of other businesses connected to the sports crowds who come and spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in Touchdown city.
We've always wanted to be big time...now we clearly are. I love it!
And let me first say, they are incredibly impressive. I've heard about them over and over from recruits all June and being able to see everything for myself was very eye-opening for a number of reasons. It's all connected and essentially has anything that a student athlete could need all in one spot. We'll have a ton of pictures coming from all the individual thing on the tour thanks to @Mog but wanted to outline some of the things.
--The Hall of Traditions is now in the front of the football facility and it's a really open space with a lot of tributes to what has happened in the past but room to add more in the future. A couple things that caught my attention was the build your own uniform virtual platform which allows you to cycle through the jerseys on a virtual screen that projects to pick your favorite combinations. The second was there is platform with footballs that you can touch and each one will make the big screen show highlights of an individual game. We were treated to the highlights of the Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma.
--There are going to be students stationed at the front of the Hall of Traditions that are going to be able to show people all the things going on and lead them on tours.
--There are multiple themes such as gold and blue, coal and there are gold pathways that signal where recruits are led on tours.
--There are graphics, videos and photo opportunities all throughout the facility. It was essentially built as a way to capture amazing photos for recruits on visits. For example, the flying WV that you see in all of the pictures can change multiple colors. It is a really unique feature that makes for excellent photos.
--The player lounge is incredibly impressive and features TVs and gaming stations, a barbershop, pool tables, ping pong tables, arcade pop shot basketball with flying WVs on the side, a kitchen, a sleep room with state of the art equipment to help maximize the rest time for players at the facility, a recording studio where players will be able to record music, podcasts and other things and much more. It essentially has everything you want for the players. This way it will let the players be there and provide entertainment and more and there are still areas to expand it if they are able to raise even more funding. The sleep room has the massage chairs with zero gravity, sleep pods and more with the room having the ability to dim all the way down and resemble a star-lit sky. It can hold about 15-players at a time.
--The locker room is simply incredible. It has plenty of space, enough where the entire team will meet in the middle for halftime and pre-game speeches and each player has their own ventilated locker with their pictures and a ton of room. There is unique lighting all throughout the room. The design itself is eye-catching and the video board at the front will trail off and run to the display boards on the side as you can see in the picture below. It is every bit as impressive as the pictures of it make it seem.
--Each locker has spots for a shoulder pads, a lock and key to keep personal items, helmets on gameday, their own pictures, additional storage, each one has a phone charger and each locker is ventilated for air to run through it.
--There is an additionally an NFL locker room for those former players that want to come back and workout with their own pictures and nameplates, etc.
--Outside the locker room, there is a recovery suite which has all state of the art equipment to help players get back and ready to go. Cryo-therapy, light therapy, a bod-pod, cold tanks, float tanks with 900-pounds of Epson salt with zero gravity. They have a system daily that tracks weight loss and gain by each workout as well as hydration lost and many more. It provides a weekly goal and further out. They also track sleep and many other things in order to get players healthy.
--There is a pre-fuel station which gives the players drinks, food and shakes, etc. to get them ready for workouts. It's a essentially a hydration station that is also used for post-fuel.
--The locker room has a mud-room which is essentially a smaller locker room where players will take off their pads, helmets, etc. after practice and then go through a jet spray system which will take off all the black rubber pieces from the turf and then they go into a cold tub. After that players can go through individual showers so it keeps things with odor out of the locker room. The mud room also is ventilated at each locker. Basically, it is essentially like a car wash before entering the locker room.
--The training area has a taping section, rehab area and it's all surrounded by the athletic training offices and a water area.
--There is a section where anybody on the team can put a photo of their family or why they play the game. Each and every team does this and it's called a player wall.
--There are some new things in the team meeting room, such as a college game-day section and plenty of new graphics and videos. The front of the building is incredibly impressive compared to the past and the presentation is such night and day. All new landscaping, tinted windows, speed bumps and more just to make it appealing.
--Recruits will enter in the Team Meeting Room entrance on game days and it's really decked out with graphics and information to highlight the success of the program over the years. All of the numbers are intentional to catch the attention of recruits visiting.
--There is a studio now in the Puskar Center that will essentially serve as any show that is done during the week and also the main hub for all virtual visits in recruiting. I asked Neal Brown about this and he told me that you can expect that will basically be the first step of the recruiting process moving forward. This is the studio below.
--There are individual position rooms and offense and defense position rooms. This is what they look like. They all have sound, records pertinent to the position and more.
--There also is a section for the Fifth Quarter which features all the things going on with that program. Education and alumni success on one side, and there is a picture on the stage of graduation and on the other side there is an NFL stage which are the two goals.
--In the IPF they are currently installing a new video board and sound which should be completed by August.
Impressive! Are you aware if these upgrades scheduled pre Brown or are his finger prints on the upgrades?
I don't disagree fundamentally with what you're saying, but practically let me ask you if we're going to compete at the Div. 1A power five level, should we half do it? I mean why compete at that level if we're not going "all in" to be successful? If we are successful, and that success translates into more dollars for scholarships, facilities improvements, better pay for teachers and coaches, and ultimately a better college experience for WV students...is that such a bad thing?
Again, I am sympathetic to your reservations about the craziness of the facilities arms race. However I also want us to compete at the highest level with the highest goals of excellence and this is how you do it.
I'm all about WVU being the best, there is a cost associated with that level of commitment 'ya know?
More quality.....Vernon...please get rid of this clown.
You happy you derailed another thread with your nonsense?
Atl is good people. He posts excellent material on the OT board.
This thread😂😂
College athletics isn’t important but he spends all day trolling a message board dedicated to WVU athletics.
He is a Marshall fan who is jealous.
Doesn’t understand how upgrade to facilities are funded
College athletics isn’t important but he spends all day trolling a message board dedicated to WVU athletics.
He is a Marshall fan who is jealous.
Doesn’t understand how upgrade to facilities are funded
Of course he does.
To push a narrative attacking WVU regardless of what they do.
He straight out said he doesn’t support a single player or coach at the university.
You understand fans upset with certain programs or certain players but not everyone.
Usually those types are trolls. Little brother behavior.
Root wants more than mediocrity but doesn't want the athletic department to do what it takes to get to a higher level.
Fruity Rooty is a liberal trying to tell people how they can spend their money.
If people want WVU to have nice things and are willing to write the check. Who is Fruity Rooty to tell them what they can or cannot do with their money.
Would be like me telling him how to spend his SSI every month.
If people want WVU to have nice things and are willing to write the check. Who is Fruity Rooty to tell them what they can or cannot do with their money.
Would be like me telling him how to spend his SSI every month.
Article on the front page about facilities linked to this board for some reason, still does.
Can you stop with this nonsense of mega threads....what is your malfunction?
Seeing a grown man continue to stumble over himself when a thread goes two pages is absurd.
Grow up and add some content and quit trying to trying to derail yet another thread with your mega thread nonsense.
When you add any content, anything at all, pat yourself on the back, because it will be a first for you, corky
More great content from the non WVU fan....keep derailing the thread with your childish nonsense.
At least you made one post without saying mega-thread...that's a start I guess.
Sure Keenan loves it.
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