Idk man, Malone ranks #2 in all time scoring I believe. Barkley was 26th.
OT: Has there ever been a NBA player as dominant in his era as Curry
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Barkley did more on the floor than Malone. Much harder guard, more active and could score from anywhere on the court.
That was a great team, Pippen was one of my favorites. Never liked Rodman much but what was lost in all his drama and his ability to get under the skin of the opponents was that he was a damn good basketball player. I don't think Jordan will ever be surpassed. That game he played with the flu was an incredible display of will power.
Oh yeah, the Bulls over GS. Have to remember Jordan is the best ever, by a mile. And Pippen was as good as anyone not named Jordan in his time.
I see Green was suspended for Game 5. The NBA up to its tricks again, and an already tarnished image is taking another beating.
I see Green was suspended for Game 5. The NBA up to its tricks again, and an already tarnished image is taking another beating.
Barkley was much better. I actually believe Charles was equal to present day Lebron. Charles was a physical freak.
Malone's point total had more to do with Stockton and style of play.
Late to the thread and love me some NBA talk, so bear with me if anything seems repetitive.
Big Curry fan but I cant put him in the same breath as MJ, or many other all timers just yet. His body of work is too small as a premier player, you can also make a case that Klay Thompson is more valuable to the Warriors than Curry. The Warriors without Curry were still dominant, they are just a masterfully constructed team, with guys like Curry/Klay/Green not making max contracts, eventually these guys will want their max deals, what will happen to the Warriors when they have to give these guys bigger deals? Obviously expecting record setting seasons is unrealistic and this year will undoubtedly be the pinnacle of the Warriors run, but what will happen to Curry when he doesnt have the outstanding supporting cast surrounding him? No doubt the Warriors will still be in the upper tier, but do they fall behind anybody? What does it mean for Steph if they fall behind SA and OKC? It will be fun to watch how long the Warriors and Curry can keep this thing going, especially if it keeps coming at the expense of LeBron in the finals.
In regards to LeBron though, I am not a fan of his, but you cannot argue that he is still the pound for pound best pure player in the game at the moment. If Curry got injured in Game 1 of this year, I would argue Golden State is still a 60 win team and still potentially win the championship. If LeBron got injured in Game 1 of this year, I would argue the Cavs become a 40-45 win team and struggle to even make the postseason, let alone qualify for the Finals in a weak Eastern conference. The flaws with LeBron are all off court. He destroys the concept of "team ball" and basically forces his team to play outdated 1 on 1 iso ball, with both styles on display in this Finals it is obvious which style is better. He uses his influence to overrule his front office, basically forced his team to give up the best prospect in the game today for Kevin Love so they can win now at all costs, fired a coach that employs a "team ball" mentality just because he didnt like him, and give an almost max contract to a run of the mill rotational guy like Tristan Thompson. LeBron will likely go down as the best player of this generation but will be viewed as a guy who did not reach his peak potential because of ego, mismangement on the part of the Cavs (failure to bring in a high profile coach/failure to build enough around LeBron in his first run with the Cavs).
Big Curry fan but I cant put him in the same breath as MJ, or many other all timers just yet. His body of work is too small as a premier player, you can also make a case that Klay Thompson is more valuable to the Warriors than Curry. The Warriors without Curry were still dominant, they are just a masterfully constructed team, with guys like Curry/Klay/Green not making max contracts, eventually these guys will want their max deals, what will happen to the Warriors when they have to give these guys bigger deals? Obviously expecting record setting seasons is unrealistic and this year will undoubtedly be the pinnacle of the Warriors run, but what will happen to Curry when he doesnt have the outstanding supporting cast surrounding him? No doubt the Warriors will still be in the upper tier, but do they fall behind anybody? What does it mean for Steph if they fall behind SA and OKC? It will be fun to watch how long the Warriors and Curry can keep this thing going, especially if it keeps coming at the expense of LeBron in the finals.
In regards to LeBron though, I am not a fan of his, but you cannot argue that he is still the pound for pound best pure player in the game at the moment. If Curry got injured in Game 1 of this year, I would argue Golden State is still a 60 win team and still potentially win the championship. If LeBron got injured in Game 1 of this year, I would argue the Cavs become a 40-45 win team and struggle to even make the postseason, let alone qualify for the Finals in a weak Eastern conference. The flaws with LeBron are all off court. He destroys the concept of "team ball" and basically forces his team to play outdated 1 on 1 iso ball, with both styles on display in this Finals it is obvious which style is better. He uses his influence to overrule his front office, basically forced his team to give up the best prospect in the game today for Kevin Love so they can win now at all costs, fired a coach that employs a "team ball" mentality just because he didnt like him, and give an almost max contract to a run of the mill rotational guy like Tristan Thompson. LeBron will likely go down as the best player of this generation but will be viewed as a guy who did not reach his peak potential because of ego, mismangement on the part of the Cavs (failure to bring in a high profile coach/failure to build enough around LeBron in his first run with the Cavs).
Pound for pound...in a true basketball context, Curry is better than Lebron.
Again, pound for pound...
Lebron uses his physical strength to bully people on the court (in an awesome way). But, Curry is the true basketball player. He uses real skill, not physical gifts.
Curry is the first PURE point guard since Isiah Thomas to be the best player on a championship team.
That's something Iverson, Stockton, Kidd, Nash, Kevin Johnson, Tony Parker, Tim Hardaway, Derrick Rose, Penny Hardaway, and Gary Payton, never did...and we are in an era of incredible point guards and Curry is the unquestionable top dawg.
....Right now, Curry is looking like an all time great.
Long time BB coach here. Curry has LONG way to go to be in Jordan's class as an all around player. It's not really that close....yet. Curry is getting close to Bird on impact (not there yet either), but he's still a ways from Magic. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Steph Curry. Met him multiple times. Great kid and unreal player...but there is no real comparison between his overall game and Jordan's. In addition to his other surreal skills, MJ could and would be the best, most disruptive defensive player on the floor when his team needed it at crunch time. Brilliant as Steph is, he doesn't begin to have that ability.
MJ = GOAT
Last night's game is just more proof that anything WVPaper associates himself as a fan of immediately turns to shit...................
I would agree with that if you put Magic in a tie with Mr. Clutch just behind MJ. Many people forget that among his Seth Curry like offensive skills, Jerry was a long armed, freakish athlete and among the very best defenders of his time (4x First Team All-NBA Defensive Team) and an extremely accomplished passer as well (Led NBA in assists in 1972). He won a finals MVP on a LOSING team. He was just THAT good. Magic was just.....magic. Other than not having a pure jumper, probably the most versatile skill set ever. Could play everything from point guard to center (won a title vs. Sixers doing it) and probably the greatest court vision/passer the game has ever seen. Both would be every bit as dominant even in today's game.
Seth is amazing to watch, but does NOT have the all-around skill sets either if these guys had..
Adolph Rupp stated that Jerry West was the best basketball player he had ever seen. That's pretty strong and good enough for ole Warez!
I think most people would put West in the Top 10, but perhaps closer to 10...maybe 10-15. Bill Simmons probably has the most detailed NBA player rankings there is and he has West in the Top 10. That doesn't make it gospel but his measurements are the most detailed and thorough.
If Oscar Robertson had played on very good to great teams (like West did), or even in a larger city like New York, his name would have already been mentioned in this thread.
He averaged over 30 pts/game his rookie year and then averaged 30+ pts/game 6 of his first 7 years in the league. He was also the first player to average 10 assists per game. He is the ONLY NBA guard to ever average 10 rebounds per game and he did it three different seasons!
And there are a bunch of other stats and first hand accounts of the greatness of the Big O by players and coaches who played/coached with and against him.
Steph Curry is very good .... but he ain't no Oscar Robertson.
As good as West was .. and as well known as he was for his "clutch" shots .... back in the day Oscar Robertson was considered the better player by many.
He averaged over 30 pts/game his rookie year and then averaged 30+ pts/game 6 of his first 7 years in the league. He was also the first player to average 10 assists per game. He is the ONLY NBA guard to ever average 10 rebounds per game and he did it three different seasons!
And there are a bunch of other stats and first hand accounts of the greatness of the Big O by players and coaches who played/coached with and against him.
Steph Curry is very good .... but he ain't no Oscar Robertson.
As good as West was .. and as well known as he was for his "clutch" shots .... back in the day Oscar Robertson was considered the better player by many.
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“Trust me, there were a lot of players who could play in this era,” West said. “People who say, ‘Oscar couldn’t do this, he couldn’t do that,’ that’s the biggest bunch of crap I’ve heard in my life. He would be a tremendous player today. He’d acquit himself against everyone because of how he played the game.
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/22/west-praises-his-former-rival-the-big-o/
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/22/west-praises-his-former-rival-the-big-o/
The nba always does its Vince McMahon thing. Usually, the better team overcomes. Notable exceptions include the infamous Portland Lakers series. I expect GS to dominate game 7.
After tonight, the name in the topic might be changed to LeBron.
After waiting since 1964 and the glorious Jim Brown days, Northeast Ohio can only hope. We certainly need a championship team in some sport besides tiddlywinks!
After waiting since 1964 and the glorious Jim Brown days, Northeast Ohio can only hope. We certainly need a championship team in some sport besides tiddlywinks!
Really really dumb post. LJ is, and always will be, recognized as one of the top 10 best basketball players of all time. Curry is a one trick pony. Great for sure but not in greatest discussion. Trolling James makes you come off as an idiot. Oh......throwing Barkley's name around with Bird, Magic and Thomas makes you a F'n idiot.
Sorry, thumper but you are too young to have seen Wilt get pushed around, held, bitten and slashed. Yet, he was the most dominant player to ever walk on the court. Rules were changed for him; 3 second lane widen, can't land over the foul line when shooting free throws, he cojuld dunk it, and no thowing the ball over the backboard. He'd catch it and dunk on the way down. Jerry got his title after Wilt joined the team, as a pretty old center. I beleive he averaged 48 mins per game one season. Wilt, quite frankly, could be argued as the best overall athlete to ever play. Track and field and beach volleyball.
Cleveland puts five decades behind them. Physical play too much for GS. Pretty cool actually.
Yep you've proven to be an idiot retard that knows nothing about the history of the NBA. Have a great summer fool.
You are a legit moron. LJ is the best player on the planet. If you paid attention to the content that ABC posted night after night you would have seen that LJs achievements rank with the top 5 players in NBA history. wvpaper talking NBA...........aahahahahahahaha! wvpaper LOL.
What year did Iverson lead his team to the NBA title? Why do you have to guess on Kidd and Nash?
Quote from your boy I. Thomas just now on post game show, "James best player in the world and maybe ever. The Warriors had no answer for him". wvpaper and NBA talk.........LOL.
Again fool the NBA had no choice but to deal with Green. The guy has gotten into the habit of kicking guy and punching guys when he gets out of control. Actually has kicked and punched guys in the balls. What part of that is hard to understand. He's a freaken poster child for repeat offenders. Turn your internet off and hang out with your kids. Just don't talk NBA with them.
I don't know if Iverson ever lead anyone to a championship, but that scrawny little guy was the most fearless man I've ever seen on the court. They used to list him at 5'11" and 155 but that must have been after a day hanging upside down, finished off by a couple of pizzas and a gallon of soda.Tough guy, total game at his position, and wouldn't back down from anyone.
James proved over the last three games who the man is in the NBA these days. Another one will come along, they always do, but for now, Lebron is the man.
James proved over the last three games who the man is in the NBA these days. Another one will come along, they always do, but for now, Lebron is the man.
Well, first off YOU'RE WRONG!
Secondly, did you honestly say that Barkley was the equivalent to Lebron??? Really?? Did I read that correct? Chuck was a great player, but Lebron is a Mount Rushmore NBA player. His accomplish this season with the championship for Cleveland settles the debate as being "the greatest".
Lebron just bitch slapped Curry and the Warriors. Easily the greatest player on the planet, still.
What part didn't you understand?
I said Curry is the first pure PG since Isiah Thomas to lead his team to a NBA title. The next closest examples would be Iverson, Nash and Kidd - PG's who almost did it, but did not.
He definitely just secured his place among all time NBA greats. This was the moment he needed.
Watched most of game 7 last night. Saw 2/3's and that is the most of an NBA game I've watched in years except for one I attended a couple of years ago.
Congrats to Lebron and the Cavs for their great achievement. But I gotta be honest ...... I came away from that game last with about as much interest in the NBA as I had before the game..... which is almost none. No joking..... I'd rather watch baseball.
Many of those guys are great athletes and great players. I just don't get off watching the NBA.
Congrats to Lebron and the Cavs for their great achievement. But I gotta be honest ...... I came away from that game last with about as much interest in the NBA as I had before the game..... which is almost none. No joking..... I'd rather watch baseball.
Many of those guys are great athletes and great players. I just don't get off watching the NBA.
I watched the whole series and have never seen a grown man cry the way James did. It was sickening to see him constantly complaining to the refs. The only reason I would put him ahead of Curry is because his size allows him to do things Curry can't. James wouldn't be capable of holding Jordan's jock strap in his mouth.
