Not Having CCG hurts seeding, helps with Matchup

[Mountaineer Steve]

While OU is in the playoff, Mich State jumps to third dropping OU to fourth because BIG12 lacks CCG. This is very disturbing since it is the 2nd time in two years a BIG12 team is jumped because another team played in CCG. This year is less understanding than last since MSU struggled beating an overrated, did not play anyone BIG10 team.

Two years is starting to make a trend in terms of overall position for the B12 in CCP

There is a silver lining this year. OU benefits with a match-up against Clemson instead of the match up they would have had against Bama.

 

[Cheat Lake EER]

MSU should have jumped Bama as well. Their 4 best wins are better than Bama's. They would still play esch other anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

[CaliforniaMountaineer]

That's ok. Clemson is the best match up for Oklahoma.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

I agree with Bob Stoops. It doesn't matter who you play first. It only matters if you can win the dang thing!

 

[LowFatMilk]

I agree with Bob Stoops. It doesn't matter who you play first. It only matters if you can win the dang thing!

I think the point was... ..a Big12 team AGAIN DROPPED because of no conference championship game.

This time we got lucky and it didn't cost us a playoff spot.

 

[Mountaineer Steve]

I think the point was... ..a Big12 team AGAIN DROPPED because of no conference championship game.

This time we got lucky and it didn't cost us a playoff spot.

Yep, I was not worried after year one, but it is obvious that now not having the 13th point (CCG) can be a huge problem for BIG12.

 

[countryroads89]

We should all be worried anyway. Many talking heads said before the OU-Ok State game that if OU won, they would be in the playoff. If Ok. State won, they would not. At the time, they were both 10-1. How do you make that difference? It's bullshit. If WVU were 11-1 under these very same circumstances, we would not be in the playoff.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

We should all be worried anyway. Many talking heads said before the OU-Ok State game that if OU won, they would be in the playoff. If Ok. State won, they would not. At the time, they were both 10-1. How do you make that difference? It's bullshit. If WVU were 11-1 under these very same circumstances, we would not be in the playoff.

You are correct to be concerned and the signal of Oklahoma being jumped and both Baylor and TCU being left out last year is just as telling. But, none of this matters until Texas feels threatened. Let that happen to Texas and you would see changes before the next days newscast was aired.

 

[GoWVU]

We should all be worried anyway. Many talking heads said before the OU-Ok State game that if OU won, they would be in the playoff. If Ok. State won, they would not. At the time, they were both 10-1. How do you make that difference? It's bullshit.

Not in that example. Oklahoma had a road win over 8-4 Tennessee in their non-conference schedule, whereas Oklahoma St's best OOC victory was over Central Michigan from the MAC. Pretty easy to see the difference.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

Yep, I was not worried after year one, but it is obvious that now not having the 13th point (CCG) can be a huge problem for BIG12.

Why would you say make that conclusion. It is only because the teams in the playoff are winning their championship games that it seems to help. At some point, a team already in the playoff is going to lose (Ex. Clemson, Bama) and the 13th game will cost their conference a spot in the playoff

It it becoming apparent that the committee is going to select the 4 best conference champions from the 5 power conferences. An undefeated or one loss Big 12 Champion is likely to always get in the playoff if they are looking closely at conference champions.

 

[Cheers]

While OU is in the playoff, Mich State jumps to third dropping OU to fourth because BIG12 lacks CCG. This is very disturbing since it is the 2nd time in two years a BIG12 team is jumped because another team played in CCG. This year is less understanding than last since MSU struggled beating an overrated, did not play anyone BIG10 team.

Two years is starting to make a trend in terms of overall position for the B12 in CCP

There is a silver lining this year. OU benefits with a match-up against Clemson instead of the match up they would have had against Bama.

The experts say their resume was better but I don't see it.

 

[Buckaineer]

Why would you say make that conclusion. It is only because the teams in the playoff are winning their championship games that it seems to help. At some point, a team already in the playoff is going to lose (Ex. Clemson, Bama) and the 13th game will cost their conference a spot in the playoff

It it becoming apparent that the committee is going to select the 4 best conference champions from the 5 power conferences. An undefeated or one loss Big 12 Champion is likely to always get in the playoff if they are looking closely at conference champions.

Your last statement makes no sense. Clearly you saw last year how TCU and Baylor with one loss were left out?

Even OU was nearly left out this year after a loss. The fact they dropped the BIG 12 champion again clearly shows that the 13th "data point" drops the BIG 12 champion and will continue to drop the BIG 12 champion.

and as some noticed and commented--if you aren't UT or OU--one loss without a CCG and you probably are not getting into the playoffs. TCU was left out last year and this year--as soon as they lost one game even though it was to a highly ranked team--they dropped out of contention for the rest of the season. Oklahoma State was kept low in the rankings so that if they won out they wouldn't have made it while Iowa leapt up the rankings with the same record at the time and 0 quality wins.

Its clear the BIG 12 is going to be treated differently and they aren't doing themselves any favors by not taking steps to improve the situation.

 

[Buckaineer]

No championship game is always going to go against the BIG 12. It wasn't enough to knock OU out this year, but that's only because other teams (Stanford as an example) lost another game. This is never going to change--and now the Big Ten is going to try to block the BIG 12/ACC deregulation of CCGs as well.

The BIG 12 has to decide if they want to sweat things out every year-hoping someone else slips up, or do they want to do everything they can to put their teams on an even playing field.

OU and/or UT (especially) aren't going to win the conference each year and its becoming clear that if you aren't a "blue blood" then you better not have a loss if you want in.

 

[countryroads89]

Not in that example. Oklahoma had a road win over 8-4 Tennessee in their non-conference schedule, whereas Oklahoma St's best OOC victory was over Central Michigan from the MAC. Pretty easy to see the difference.

And if Ok. State would have won, they would have three wins over top 20 teams (rankings at the end of the season when they matter), a very similar resume to Michigan State.

 

[Buckaineer]

And if Ok. State would have won, they would have three wins over top 20 teams (rankings at the end of the season when they matter), a very similar resume to Michigan State.

Michigan State though had a CCG--13th "data point" game against #4 Iowa that put them over OSU even if OSU would have been in position for a spot. If OSU beat OU then got to play a CCG against a highly ranked opponent then they might have had a chance. Without that extra CCG not a chance.

 

[GoWVU]

And if Ok. State would have won, they would have three wins over top 20 teams (rankings at the end of the season when they matter), a very similar resume to Michigan State.

Your earlier comparison was between Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. Michigan St had nothing to do with a perception gap between the 2 Bedlam schools.

However, since you brought the Spartans into the discussion...no, the Cowboys' resume would not have been as good as Michigan St's had OSU beaten the Sooners.

The Cowboys would've had 2 (not 3) victories over teams in the final rankings in your hypothetical, but the Spartans actually beat 4 in reality. Michigan St handed 2 of the 6 remaining 1-loss teams their only defeat. Oklahoma St would not have been able to show a win as impressive.

Furthermore, as mentioned earlier the Cowboys' best OOC win was over Central Michigan from the MAC. Meanwhile...the Spartans defeated Oregon from the final top 25 and Air Force, who reached the Mountain West title game.

 

[countryroads89]

Your earlier comparison was between Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. Michigan St had nothing to do with a perception gap between the 2 Bedlam schools.

However, since you brought the Spartans into the discussion...no, the Cowboys' resume would not have been as good as Michigan St's had OSU beaten the Sooners.

The Cowboys would've had 2 (not 3) victories over teams in the final rankings in your hypothetical, but the Spartans actually beat 4 in reality. Michigan St handed 2 of the 6 remaining 1-loss teams their only defeat. Oklahoma St would not have been able to show a win as impressive.

Furthermore, as mentioned earlier the Cowboys' best OOC win was over Central Michigan from the MAC. Meanwhile...the Spartans defeated Oregon from the final top 25 and Air Force, who reached the Mountain West title game.

It's a moot point but OSU would have beaten 3 top 20 teams, like I said; OU, Baylor and TCU.

 

[GoWVU]

It's a moot point but OSU would have beaten 3 top 20 teams, like I said; OU, Baylor and TCU.

They lost to Baylor 45-35, though. The only way they would've beaten all 3 is if they had finished undefeated. Earlier you were assuming just one hypothetical victory (over Oklahoma), but this scenario would require two. I think you probably just forgot that part.

 

[countryroads89]

They lost to Baylor 45-35, though. The only way they would've beaten all 3 is if they had finished undefeated. Earlier you were assuming just one hypothetical victory (over Oklahoma), but this scenario would require two. I think you probably just forgot that part.

Oops, my bad.