My how times have changed. In 1975, Dems opposed Vietnamese refugees trying to flee communists

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  1. WVPATX

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    Are Dems haters of Vietnamese or just prefer the Arab community?


    Despite today’s outrage over President Donald Trump’s refugee executive order, many liberals in 1975 were part of a chorus of big name Democrats who refused to accept any Vietnamese refugees when millions were trying to escape South Vietnam as it fell to the communists.

    They even opposed orphans.

    The group, led by California’s Gov. Jerry Brown, included such liberal luminaries as Delaware’s Democratic Sen. Joe Biden, former presidential “peace candidate” George McGovern, and New York Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman.

    The Los Angeles Times reported Brown even attempted to prevent planes carrying Vietnamese refugees from landing at Travis Air Force Base outside San Francisco. About 500 people were arriving each day and eventually 131,000 arrived in the United States between 1975 and 1977.

    These people arrived despite protests from liberal Democrats. In 2015, the Los Angeles Times recounted Brown’s ugly attitude, reporting, “Brown has his own checkered history of demagoguery about refugees.”

    Back in 1975, millions of South Vietnamese who worked for or supported the U.S. found themselves trapped behind the lines when the communists took over the country. Vietnamese emigre Tung Vu, writing in Northwest Asian Weekly, recalled the hardships the Vietnamese faced in 1975 as they tried to escape the communists.

    After the fall of Saigon, many Vietnamese chose to leave by any means possible, often in small boats. Those who managed to escape pirates, typhoons, and starvation sought safety and a new life in refugee camps,” Tung wrote.

    Ironically, Republicans led by former President Gerald Ford were the political figures who fought for the refugees to enter the United States.

    Julia Taft, who in 1975 headed up Ford’s Inter-agency Task Force on Indochinese refugee resettlement, told author Larry Engelmann in his book, “Tears Before the Rain: An Oral History of the Fall of South Vietnam,”The new governor of California, Jerry Brown, was very concerned about refugees settling in his state.”

    National Public Radio host Debbie Elliott retraced Brown’s refusal to accept any refugees in a January 2007 interview with Taft. According to a transcript, which was aired on its flagship program, “All Things Considered,” Taft said, “our biggest problem came from California due to Brown.” She called his rejection of Vietnamese refugees “a moral blow.”

    “I remember at the time we had thousands and thousands of requests from military families in San Diego, for instance, who had worked in Vietnam, who knew some of these people,” she told NPR.

    Taft recalled another dark reason the liberals opposed the refugees: “They said they had too many Hispanics, too many people on welfare, they didn’t want these people.”

    “They didn’t want any of these refugees, because they had also unemployment,” she told NPR. “They had already a large number of foreign-born people there. They had – they said they had too many Hispanics, too many people on welfare, they didn’t want these people.”

    Brown echoed his isolationist theme throughout his first term. As recounted by author Larry Clinton Thompson in his book, “Refugee Workers in the Indochina Exodus,” Brown said, “We can’t be looking 5,000 miles away and at the same time neglecting people who live here.”

    At the same time as Brown was fighting Washington, Democrats waged an anti-refugee campaign inside the nation’s capital.

    Ford appealed to Congress to quickly help the refugees, who included thousands of Cambodians fleeing a genocidal campaign perpetrated by the communist Cambodian Pol Pot regime.

    But in Washington, Ford found himself thwarted by many high-profile Democrats.

    A review of the congressional debate at the time and recounted by CQ Almanac shows New York’s Elizabeth Holtzman – who was one of the House’s most visible liberal congresswomen — opposed helping the refugees. Like Brown, she tried to pit her constituents against the refugees. She said, according to CQ Almanac, “some of her constituents felt that the same assistance and compassion was not being shown to the elderly, unemployed and poor in this country.”

    Rep. Donald Riegle, a liberal representative from Michigan who later would serve as its senator, offered an amendment that would have barred funds for the refugees unless similar assistance was given to Americans. The amendment was rejected by the House, 346 to 71, according to the Almanac.

    Another House Democrat even tried to slow down the airlift of Vietnamese orphans. The Almanac reported that Rep. Joshua Eilberg, the Democratic chairman of the House Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship and International Law, accused the Ford administration of having acted “with unnecessary haste” in the evacuation of the orphans.

    The emergency rescue mission, called “Operation Babylift,” was activated by the United States, Australia, France and Canada after urgent appeals were issued by humanitarian relief organizations in Vietnam. The evacuation faced tragedy on its maiden flight when a C-5A cargo plane carrying the orphans crashed after takeoff, killing 78 children along with 35 U.S. government workers and diplomats.

    The Library of Congress also reported liberal congressmen tried to stall the refugee legislation, indicating “they would rather wait for the administration to formulate a plan for the care and evacuation of refugees before approving the humanitarian aid.”

    Then-Sen. Joe Biden tried to slow down the refugee bill in the Senate, complaining that he needed more details about the quickly unfolding refugee problem before he would support it. He said the White House “had not informed Congress adequately about the number of refugees,” according to the Library of Congress history of the legislation.

    Quang X. Pham, who was born in Saigon and later served as a Marine pilot in the Persian Gulf War, later criticized Biden in an op-ed published by the Washington Post on December 30, 2006. Quang wrote, Biden “charged that the [Ford] Administration had not informed Congress adequately about the number of refugees — as if anyone actually knew during the chaotic evacuation.”

    Peace candidate Sen. George McGovern, who had lost in a landslide to former President Richard Nixon in the 1972 presidential election, appeared the most heartless senator when he introduced a bill to assist those who wished to return to South Vietnam.



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    McGovern said he thought 90 percent of the Vietnamese arrivals “would be better off going back to their own land,” according to the Library of Congress. His amendment died in a House-Senate conference.


    In the end, most of the Democrat complaints appeared to center on the fact that the refugees were escaping communism, which many liberals did not find that objectionable.

    “One of the justifications that Ford gave was related to communism. He said these people are all fleeing communism, which was the same criteria that had been used for the Cubans, the Hungarians, other refugee groups that had been processed in the past,” Taft explained



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    Daily Caller [laughing]
     
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    Is the article factual or not? Check your liberal sources. It is a fact.
     
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    Democrats were in favor of slavery in the 1860s too. What gall it takes for them to ask black people to vote Democrat when only 150 short years ago Democrats were advocating slavery.
     
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    So, in your mind it was ok for the Dems to refuse Vietnamese refugees fleeing communist control of South Viet Nam (from a war zone after we left) but it is not ok for this 90 day temporary ban? Amazing logic.
     
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    I at one time worked with a man that fled Vietnam. He came here with nothing but the clothes on his back, leaving brothers and sisters behind.

    Here are some facts: the Democratic President supported it.

    Indochina, 1970s

    Following the final collapse of South Vietnam in 1975, the U.S. evacuated some 130,000 Indochinese – Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians – fleeing the new Communist government. Americans were deeply divided on whether these refugees should be allowed to live in the United States: In a May 1975 Harris poll, for example, 37% were in favor, 49% opposed, and 14% weren’t sure. Nonetheless, the refugees were allowed to stay.

    Later in the decade, hundreds of thousands of people living in Vietnam (including many ethnic Chinese) began leaving the country in overcrowded boats. At the same time, thousands of Cambodians and Laotians were escaping their countries over land. In response to the humanitarian crisis, President Jimmy Carter in June 1979 doubled the number of Indochinese refugees the U.S. had previously agreed to accept, to 14,000 a month. The move was not popular: In a CBS News/New York Times poll the following month, 62% disapproved of Carter’s action. But between 1980 and 1990, according to federal immigration data compiled by Pew Research Center, nearly 590,000 refugees from Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos were admitted into the U.S.
     
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    I'm not addressing 1975, rather I'm saying it's silly to try to find contradictions in a political party when you have to go back decades or centuries. Things change over time. To find big contradictions in the GOP all you have to do is go back a year since the current GOP POTUS has different views on lots of things than did mainstream GOP a year ago.
     
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    still greater than CNN.
     
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    Dems do it all the time. Stay consistent. And 1975 is not that long ago.
     
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    Okay then, Dems that do it too are stupid too.
     
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    You've completely changed the point. I was talking about Dem reaction specifically in 1975 lead by Jerry Brown. Dems have zero room to complain now after that fiasco. The GOP has also been very open to allowing refugees to enter the country. This situation with possible terrorist infiltration is a first for this country, at least in my memory.
     
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    It is hypocritical for the same people that opposed these refugees in 1975 to now claim support for refugees today. The South Vietnamese posed no threat to the U.S. Today's refugees do. And 90 days is a short ban, not the total ban the Dems sought.
     
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    LMAO.....I'll watch for your next post that claims...... "Some of my best friends are Vietnamese".
     
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    It wasn't 150 years ago. It was more like 50 years ago Op2! Bull Conner, Lester Maddox, Robert Byrd, George Wallace..were all Democrat and some of the meanest most vicious racists out there. So was Arkansas Senator J William Fullbright (Bill Clinton's political mentor) was an avowed racist. Byrd was an Imperial Grand Wizard in the Klan!

    Look at Keith Elllison, Maxine Walters, Shelia Jackson Lee, John Conyers, they spew Racial hatred and division everyday and no one calls them on it...especially folks on the Left.
     
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    "Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!"
     
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    Don't forget that Robert Byrd said there were white ******s too. On 60 minutes no less.
     
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    Yes he did, you're absolutely correct Airport. No one called him on it either. Can you imagine if Trump said something like that?

    They'd draw up his impeachment articles over on the Left.
     
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    A Reoublican President called for the Southeast Asia immigration Act after the fall of Saigon and a Democratic controlled Congress (both the House and Senate) passed it in to law in May of 75. That is just a mite different from the present situation.
     
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    Famous Democrats including Joe Biden and Jerry Brown absolutely objected to any admission of Vietnamese refugees in 1975. That is an indisputable fact.
     
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    Messrs Biden and Brown may have objected, o. k. how does that impact the law being passed?
    Who controlled Congress when the law was passed?
     
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    I am pointing out the absolute hypocrisy involved in this issue. Many Democrats complaining today were the same Democrats they did not want the Vietnamese to immigrate to the United States. With Gerald Ford leading the way, the bill did pass but that does not absolve the Democrats involved in this of their hypocrisy.
     

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