loved seeing roddy lose to wazoo.....but let's talk holgs......

[ThePunish-EER]

Nobody was ever guaranteed a split title just by finishing unbeaten, so the absence of one is evidence of nothing. All you have to do is look at past seasons for proof of that.

whats hilarious, you just proved my point lol. As I stated, Wvu was not playing for a NC in 1993. It was not a NC game. Winning and finishing undefeated did not make Wvu a split national champion. Thanks for proving my point and looking like the idiot lol

 

[john in california]

wrong John. Nehlen played a very weak schedule. The only year (not twice) he played for a NC, Wvu played only one team with a winning record (Syracuse). Everyone else was 6 wins or less. Pathetic. The BCS was created for the BYU's, and WVU's to keep undeserving teams out of the NC game. Nehlen average only 7 wins against that competition. Sad.

wvu would have tied for the 1993 national title with florida state had we beaten florida in the sugar bowl.....going into the game wvu was no.2 in the coaches po, ahead of florida state.....wvu wins to finish 12-0, they move up to tops in the coaches poll after nebraska, which was number 1 in both polls, lost to florida state.....it was pretty much predicted that a wvu win would get them at least a split in the polls if nebraska lost.....nehlen was way more popular and respected among coaches voting in the poll back then than was bobby bowden.....

the fact wvu was ahead of them going in to the bowl games and would have beaten a very good florida team, would have given wvu the coaches poll title.....and that year wvu went 11-0 regular season against a tough schedule.....so, i am going to stand by the statement nehlen played for two national titles.....and equating nehlen, a hall of famer, with holgs is folly.....note that i was one of nehlen's biggest critics at the end of his reign because i thought he might end up tearing down everything he built.....so help me, frank beamer.....

that said, holgs cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as nehlen at this point.....btw, nehlen was 40-18-1 his first five years, holgs 31-26 in the middle of his fifth season, 21-23 the past four seasons to this point.

 

[john in california]

nehlen is only the winningest Wvu coach because he stayed there the longest. He averaged 7 wins a year, same as Holgorson. Fact.

i think nehlen was slightly above 7 wins on average, but the past three years, not counting this one, holgs is 18-22, an average record of 6-7.33.....the 10-3 first season still boosts him slightly over .500 at 28-23, 31-26 counting this season's current 3-3 mark......

 

[john in california]

whats hilarious, you just proved my point lol. As I stated, Wvu was not playing for a NC in 1993. It was not a NC game. Winning and finishing undefeated did not make Wvu a split national champion. Thanks for proving my point and looking like the idiot lol

wvu would have split the title in 1993 with florida state had we beaten florida, sted losing 41-7.....but dissing on nehlen and ridiculously trying to equate some real comparison between nehlaen and holgs (check out both's first five years) as an apparent way of saying they were similar is a specious attempt at misdirection.....the guy who is under examination is holgs and his record.....nehlen is in the hall of fame......

 

[john in california]

We beat two ranked teams that year. Will we beat two this year?

nehlen beat bc four years in a row when they were highly ranked.... the last time when they were fifth in the country.....they beat miami in motown when miami was number 3.....maryland when it was in the top 10.....that's just for instance.....nehlen's bowl record was fairly poor, it is true.....but this thread is about holgs' not nehlen.....you think holgs will get near being elected to the hall of fame?.....

 

[john in california]

Why don't we wait and see rather than bash the coaching staff through the entire season before your negativity has come to pass?

so far WVU has unfortunately lost to three top teams with one loss between them--two on the road, one in overtime. There is lots of football left.

ok.....that's fair.....but i don't see holgs making much progress.....unless wvu beats tcu there, we will be on a four-game losing streak.....not that the wins are against liberty, a georgia southern whose top quarterback was ineligible and a maryland team with, what, one win and just launched its coach before he even reached midseason.....so if we are going to specify the records of the teams to whom we lost, it's fair to mention we haven't beaten anyone worth talking about.....btw, still scratching my head as to why smallwood was not in the game in OT against Ok Sate.....and if it's tru holgs let smallwood and shell decide who would gin, it speaks volumes, imo......

 

[john in california]

"Believe" is a murky swamp, John. You're never quite sure if you're stepping onto firm ground or into quicksand.

What I have, like you, is hope -- not belief.

I'm reminded of listening to the 1959 NCAA national championship game on the radio with my grandpa in Kingwood. He was an old miner with the black lung, not an ounce of fat on him and with a face that could have been cut with an adze, but there were tears on his cheeks when the Mountaineers lost by a point to Cal-Berkeley. It was the only time I ever saw the man cry.

Still, we knew Jerry West would be coming back for his senior season, and so I tried to console him: "We'll get 'em next year, Gramps."

I'm older than he was then, and I'm still waiting -- still hoping.

Believing? Not so much.

my stepfather went to his grave believing a referee named red mihalik screwed wvu in the title game with two very questionable charging foul calls on west.....west sat out something like 18 minutes of the title game.....still, he got 29 points and we lost by one 71-70.....btw, as you know, wvu was no.1 in the country the year before, 1958, and got upset by manhattan in the first round.....kentucky, a team wvu beat on its home floor that year, won the title.....

 

[ThePunish-EER]

wvu would have tied for the 1993 national title with florida state had we beaten florida in the sugar bowl.....going into the game wvu was no.2 in the coaches po, ahead of florida state.....wvu wins to finish 12-0, they move up to tops in the coaches poll after nebraska, which was number 1 in both polls, lost to florida state.....it was pretty much predicted that a wvu win would get them at least a split in the polls if nebraska lost.....nehlen was way more popular and respected among coaches voting in the poll back then than was bobby bowden.....

the fact wvu was ahead of them going in to the bowl games and would have beaten a very good florida team, would have given wvu the coaches poll title.....and that year wvu went 11-0 regular season against a tough schedule.....so, i am going to stand by the statement nehlen played for two national titles.....and equating nehlen, a hall of famer, with holgs is folly.....note that i was one of nehlen's biggest critics at the end of his reign because i thought he might end up tearing down everything he built.....so help me, frank beamer.....

that said, holgs cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as nehlen at this point.....btw, nehlen was 40-18-1 his first five years, holgs 31-26 in the middle of his fifth season, 21-23 the past four seasons to this point.

i think nehlen was slightly above 7 wins on average, but the past three years, not counting this one, holgs is 18-22, an average record of 6-7.33.....the 10-3 first season still boosts him slightly over .500 at 28-23, 31-26 counting this season's current 3-3 mark......

wvu would have split the title in 1993 with florida state had we beaten florida, sted losing 41-7.....but dissing on nehlen and ridiculously trying to equate some real comparison between nehlaen and holgs (check out both's first five years) as an apparent way of saying they were similar is a specious attempt at misdirection.....the guy who is under examination is holgs and his record.....nehlen is in the hall of fame......

sorry John that's wrong. It was said at that time, Wvu in 1993 would have no bearing on the NC whether they won or lost. And ignoring facts do not change history. Fact is Holgorson averages 7 wins per year which is the same as Nehlen. Fact.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

You should apply that rolling laugh to yourself. As you have been owned in this thread.

WRONG AGAIN!!! GoWVU, join in California and BuckainEER have proven themselves time and time again with actual facts from reliable source while you have only sh*t through you mouth.

And that is an irrefutable fact.