loved seeing roddy lose to wazoo.....but let's talk holgs......

[john in california]

first, i wonder why anyone would want roddy back at wvu, considering the record he has mounted since he unceremoniously bailed in 2007 under the cover of night.....

he failed miserably, repeat miserably, at michigan, and although he has upped the ante at arizona a bit, it's about the same zona did under dick tomey for years and he eventually was shoved out.....imo, the future for 'zona, in a pac-10 south with usc, ucla, asu, utah and colorado and with three games each year from the pac-10 north, will feature the wildcats finishing most years mired in the middle of the pack, with 5-4, to 4-5 league records etc. .....if the situation holds, usc, ucla, asu and utah will be ahead of them much or most of the time, even with todd graham at asu..... .....even last year, when fate thrust roddy into the pac-10 title game, zona lost 52-13 or something like that to oregon.....and yeah, i know zona beat oregon last year in the regular season......

so, i wonder, would wvu take a coach with roddy's post-wvu credentials if he hadn't already been at wvu?.....there is no guarantee if he can't win big at michigan in the big 10, or zona in the pac-12, that he can win big at wvu in the big 12.....note that return gigs in college football more often than not don't mean a repeat of past success.....just sayin', so why don't we let the roddy dreams end.....we can do better.....he thought he was too good for us, anyway......

now to holgs.....it seems to me he has had ample chance to win big at wvu.....the offensive guru-quarterback meister has had trouble finding a quarterback on his own that hasn't been left for him (smith) or fallen in his lap (trickett, who was good at times, not so good other times).....the ultimate irony of this year's team is that the defense has improved, but the offense has sputtered at crunch time.....you know, the offense run by the offensive guru.....

this is largely due to spotty quarterback play (you know, a quarterback coached by the quarterback guru) against top opponents, coupled with some questionable coaching decisions (smallwood was left on the sidelines in ot against okla. st. because shell decided he wanted to play instead? really?)......

we all get judged on the job by our record, so to speak, and only the most fervent holgs minion would try to present his record to this point as acceptable by wvu standards.....

under holgs the past three years, wvu has had 2-6, 1-6 and 1-4 finishes.....he has, going into the thursday game against top-five tcu, an 11-19 record against big 12 opponents and has lost three consecutive big 12 games at home.....odds are, after thursday, that big 12 record will be 11-20.....i hope not, but hey......

i don't think there are many explanations (excuses?) at this point that can curb dissent over holgs' record.....if he should get launched after this season, it would be understandable, imo.....personally, i don't think he is up to the task.....he often seems lost on the sidelines.....hate to say it, but that fact is a stubborn thing in my memory......

if holgs is not invited to coach somewhere else after this year, he should be on a very hot seat to produce next season, and by that i mean being in the mix for the league title.....otherwise, what are we playing for?.....what level are we willing to accept?......

 

[hbeacheer]

RR isn't the answer. He's having trouble keeping up in the pac and couldn't keep up in the big. He has .600 winning % without the services of pat white, steve slaton and Owen playing an average big east schedule. The difference between him and holgs in the big 12 is probably +|- 1 game difference. Casteel is getting worked in the pac and he probably couldn't do any better than gibby unfortunately there is no easy answer for wvu competing in the big 12.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Sounds like everyone knows the problem, but no one has a solution. WVU won't get a head coach from a successful Power 5 school ever, so it's always going to be: Take a chance on an OC or DC from a successful team.

We are what we are.

Meanwhile, let's hope for a miracle against TCU.


M ighty defense throttled Georgia Southern, 44-0

O utstanding defense obliterated Liberty, 41-17

U nilaterally decimated Maryland, 45-6, on defense and offense

N oxious offense & special teams against Oklahoma, 44-24

T urnovers lose to Oklahoma State, 33-26 in OT despite impressive comeback from 15-point deficit.

A wesome Baylor too much, 62-38.

I nch by TCU

N ip Texas Tech

E scape Texas

E rectile dysfunction Kansas

R oll past Iowa State

S lip past Kansas State

 

[Buckaineer]

A big problem with the Holgorsen attack mentality is...who is WVU supposed to replace Holgorsen with that is going to come in and have better results?
Alot of clamoring for traitor RR--but really no indication he's A: interested in leaving Arizona or B: interested in coaching WVU again or C: Any more capable than Holgorsen of producing a better record against very difficult competition. He failed miserably against B10 competition and has had two 8-5 seasons with Arizona mixed in with one 10-4 season. Only a few wins in there against schools with other than mediocre to poor records.
At WVU his successful years were with Pat White and Steve Slaton tearing apart opposing defenses--but he never developed any sort of passing game at WVU and BIG 12 defenses have proven pretty good at stopping the run.
You look at WVU's records since 2001 and the difference is the point when WVU joined the BIG 12.
Even the hated Holgorsen won 10 games including a major bowl playing the old BE competition.
Then WVU joined the BIG 12.
RR went 3-8, 9-4, 8-5 and 8-4 in the first four seasons of his career at WVU against BE competition that still involved some of the old programs like Miami, VT and BC.
Holgorsen went 10-3 with a major bowl victory, 7-6, 4-8 and 7-6 against a BE schedule and the toughest league competition in WVU history --while at the same time switching conferences and having to build depth which can only be done over time. The three losses this year have come against all top 25 competition--two on the road and one one score loss in OT. The teams lost to have one loss- in conference- for the entire season. Two of them are undefeated.

A solid QB seems missing from the ranks--although there are some young ones on the roster. That is the separator from a succesful season.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

I'm sure there are some coaches out there who could do better than Holgorsen has done at WVU. And I am just as sure that there are some coaches out there who would do worse than Holgorsen. But who can actually predict how any particular coach will do?

Virtually every P5 football program in the country spends BIG BUCKS on football. They all can't be winners all of the time. But fans, especially WVU fans, act like they are entitled to have a winner because ....well ... just because it's us and we deserve a winner!

West Virginia has much bigger problems (at or near the top of the list on drug use, overdose deaths, obesity, teen pregnancy, neurotic behavior, etc. etc.) ... WV has much bigger problems than whether or not the football team is doing as well as we would like.

Maybe a prolonged period of an average football program will help people focus on the REAL problems that WV has. Would that be a bad thing?

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

I'm sure there are some coaches out there who could do better than Holgorsen has done at WVU. And I am just as sure that there are some coaches out there who would do worse than Holgorsen. But who can actually predict how any particular coach will do?

Virtually every P5 football program in the country spends BIG BUCKS on football. They all can't be winners all of the time. But fans, especially WVU fans, act like they are entitled to have a winner because ....well ... just because it's us and we deserve a winner!

West Virginia has much bigger problems (at or near the top of the list on drug use, overdose deaths, obesity, teen pregnancy, neurotic behavior, etc. etc.) ... WV has much bigger problems than whether or not the football team is doing as well as we would like.

Maybe a prolonged period of an average football program will help people focus on the REAL problems that WV has. Would that be a bad thing?

It's very seldom one sees a post on this board that reflects a degree of reasonable intelligence. Kudos to you and Buckaineer for your thoughtful posts.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Maybe we could bring in Leach and keep Dana as OC. Get the band back together, perhaps Ruffin McNeal as DC.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I'm sure there are some coaches out there who could do better than Holgorsen has done at WVU. And I am just as sure that there are some coaches out there who would do worse than Holgorsen. But who can actually predict how any particular coach will do?

Virtually every P5 football program in the country spends BIG BUCKS on football. They all can't be winners all of the time. But fans, especially WVU fans, act like they are entitled to have a winner because ....well ... just because it's us and we deserve a winner!

West Virginia has much bigger problems (at or near the top of the list on drug use, overdose deaths, obesity, teen pregnancy, neurotic behavior, etc. etc.) ... WV has much bigger problems than whether or not the football team is doing as well as we would like.

Maybe a prolonged period of an average football program will help people focus on the REAL problems that WV has. Would that be a bad thing?

Good post.

Folks don't like it but the truth is WVU over-performs and wins despite it's many limitations.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

I'm sure there are some coaches out there who could do better than Holgorsen has done at WVU. And I am just as sure that there are some coaches out there who would do worse than Holgorsen. But who can actually predict how any particular coach will do?

Virtually every P5 football program in the country spends BIG BUCKS on football. They all can't be winners all of the time. But fans, especially WVU fans, act like they are entitled to have a winner because ....well ... just because it's us and we deserve a winner!

West Virginia has much bigger problems (at or near the top of the list on drug use, overdose deaths, obesity, teen pregnancy, neurotic behavior, etc. etc.) ... WV has much bigger problems than whether or not the football team is doing as well as we would like.

Maybe a prolonged period of an average football program will help people focus on the REAL problems that WV has. Would that be a bad thing?

What a load of horse dung!

There is a choice to be a winner or a loser and as you put it they can't all be winners. Sounds like half and half, I want to be in the winning half. You mistake deserve with desire, entitled with earned and then you say it is WVU fans that have an especially bad case of this condition. I am assuming that you don't share all of those qualities, so are you a WVU fan? You don't sound like it.

Every state has problems and most of them have the same problems you listed. What the heck does that have to do with a specific topic like college football? Absolutely nothing. You bring it up because you like leaning on a crutch, even if it is a stupid one. If you want to be a social-economic activist, why are you on a sports board.

People like you are the bane of modern society and gush with political correctness along the way. There is nothing complicated about wanting a winning program, expecting a winning program to come from making the choice and effort to support. What is not logical is to do all of the work and get nothing for it and then say it is because some girl got knocked up in Cabin Creek and her mommy is a fat meth addict and her daddy died of an overdose.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

What a load of horse dung!

There is a choice to be a winner or a loser and as you put it they can't all be winners. Sounds like half and half, I want to be in the winning half. You mistake deserve with desire, entitled with earned and then you say it is WVU fans that have an especially bad case of this condition. I am assuming that you don't share all of those qualities, so are you a WVU fan? You don't sound like it.

Every state has problems and most of them have the same problems you listed. What the heck does that have to do with a specific topic like college football? Absolutely nothing. You bring it up because you like leaning on a crutch, even if it is a stupid one. If you want to be a social-economic activist, why are you on a sports board.

People like you are the bane of modern society and gush with political correctness along the way. There is nothing complicated about wanting a winning program, expecting a winning program to come from making the choice and effort to support. What is not logical is to do all of the work and get nothing for it and then say it is because some girl got knocked up in Cabin Creek and her mommy is a fat meth addict and her daddy died of an overdose.

Silly comments from someone obviously out of touch or simply ignorant.

What makes you think WVU hasn't made a choice to be a winner? We certainly made a choice to be a member of one of the best (if not the best) conference in college football. We make a choice to develop and re-invest into our facilities (baseball park, basetkball facility, stadium upgrades, ect.) so they are competitive with other programs. We made a choice to get rid of the last coach who everyone said wasn't getting the job done. All those decisions could have been different.

Every dope on a message board is complaining about "medocrity", but here is the cold truth. WV is a completely mediocre state. It has a mediocre economy. Mediocre education. Mediocre state health. Mediocre growth. Mediocre leadership. But yet - fans expect it's college football team to be the best in the country?

Ignorant. WVU out-performs itself on every level. We shouldn't be as good as we are, but we've done it by doing the very thing you accused the school of not doing - making choices.

You don't like our head coach, got it. Our fans didn't like Bobby Bowden, Don Nehlen or Bill Stewart either. Chances are you won't like the next guy we hire or the one after him, so what's the point in trying to appease you?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Good post.

Folks don't like it but the truth is WVU over-performs and wins despite it's many limitations.

here we go again with the WV insecurity. No, that is false. WVU recruits well. We average 3 stars in our recruiting classes. It's not little ole Wvu. People need to get with the times. It's not 1951 anymore. We aren't playing Richmond and Washington & Lee anymore. We are a top 20 all time winningest program in a major P5 conference. Act like it!

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Unless WVU decides they are serious about winning, you are going to see more of the same results. Other schools in this league invest more into their programs, pay their coaches more, and see better results.

Baylor just built a new stadium. K-State, Tech, OU, and even ISU are doing major stadium renovations and additions. WVU can't even bid out it's media rights without botching the process.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

here we go again with the WV insecurity. No, that is false. WVU recruits well. We average 3 stars in our recruiting classes. It's not little ole Wvu. People need to get with the times. It's not 1951 anymore. We aren't playing Richmond and Washington & Lee anymore. We are a top 20 all time winningest program in a major P5 conference.

I'm not from WV and have no insecurity about it. In fact I've been attacked many times for suggesting that same.

You're actually highlighting my point. Despite having zero in-state talent or an abundance of wealthy boosters, and being surrounded by many other successful college programs, we still manage to compete well on every level. Get it?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Unless WVU decides they are serious about winning, you are going to see more of the same results. Other schools in this league invest more into their programs, pay their coaches more, and see better results.

Baylor just built a new stadium. K-State, Tech, OU, and even ISU are doing major stadium renovations and additions. WVU can't even bid out it's media rights without botching the process.

More silliness. How is WVU not serious about winning? We invest the resources we have, they aren't limitless. Sure other schools pay their coaches more, because they have more money. You guys want Dana fired and complain about his "ridiculous" contract but now you're saying we don't pay enough?

Some of the programs you mentioned needed a new stadium. WVU doesn't. They've also been earning a much bigger paycheck for the last 15 years than WVU did.

BTW, I think WVU will get a new stadium sooner than most folks think.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

RR isn't the answer. He's having trouble keeping up in the pac and couldn't keep up in the big. He has .600 winning % without the services of pat white, steve slaton and Owen playing an average big east schedule. The difference between him and holgs in the big 12 is probably +|- 1 game difference. Casteel is getting worked in the pac and he probably couldn't do any better than gibby unfortunately there is no easy answer for wvu competing in the big 12.

The Pac 12 has done more than the big 12 has since we joined

 

[43rd Parallel]

Holgorsen-built teams have shown no capacity for winning consistently in the second half of a season, which is worrisome since West Virginia should be favored in its last five games.

If West Virginia collapses down the stretch again, then the fan base will lose all confidence in the coaching staff. If West Virginia finishes strong, then our big worry will center on the chances of another program hiring Coach Holgorsen.

Either way, if I'm the athletic director, I am keeping an updated list of head coaching prospects in my hip pocket.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Holgorsen-built teams have shown no capacity for winning consistently in the second half of a season, which is worrisome since West Virginia should be favored in its last five games.

If West Virginia collapses down the stretch again, then the fan base will lose all confidence in the coaching staff. If West Virginia finishes strong, then our big worry will center on the chances of another program hiring Coach Holgorsen.

Either way, if I'm the athletic director, I am keeping an updated list of head coaching prospects in my hip pocket.

Holgorson isn't on the list of schools that would financially be able to afford him based on his current WVU contract

 

[43rd Parallel]

Holgorson isn't on the list of schools that would financially be able to afford him based on his current WVU contract

If the Mountaineers finish the season on a six-game or seven-game win streak, then I would not be so certain.

It sure would be a nice "problem" to have, in any case.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

If the Mountaineers finish the season on a six-game or seven-game win streak, then I would not be so certain.

It sure would be a nice "problem" to have, in any case.

The only school that would be able to realistically afford him would be southern cal but there gonna want to see more than just a 9-3 season.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

What a load of horse dung!

There is a choice to be a winner or a loser and as you put it they can't all be winners. Sounds like half and half, I want to be in the winning half. You mistake deserve with desire, entitled with earned and then you say it is WVU fans that have an especially bad case of this condition. I am assuming that you don't share all of those qualities, so are you a WVU fan? You don't sound like it.

Every state has problems and most of them have the same problems you listed. What the heck does that have to do with a specific topic like college football? Absolutely nothing. You bring it up because you like leaning on a crutch, even if it is a stupid one. If you want to be a social-economic activist, why are you on a sports board.

People like you are the bane of modern society and gush with political correctness along the way. There is nothing complicated about wanting a winning program, expecting a winning program to come from making the choice and effort to support. What is not logical is to do all of the work and get nothing for it and then say it is because some girl got knocked up in Cabin Creek and her mommy is a fat meth addict and her daddy died of an overdose.

Every state has its problems but the great majority of states do not have the significant problems that WV has.

Among the problems that WV has is that in several studies it has been shown that WV has the highest level of stress and/or neuroticism in the country. And many of these neurotic fans act like WV deserves a winner. Example: See your own post.

Because I suggest that WV has bigger problems than the lack of a winning football program I am, in your words, "the bane of modern society." This is beyond ridiculous.

It is logical to do all the work and get nothing for it when in fact the team you play has done the same work and might actually win the game? Again ... ridiculous on your part. But that's my point. It's not like WVU has some kind of special corner on recruiting football players and developing a team. There are a bunch of P5 teams out there doing the same thing.

Thanks for helping me make my point.

 

[Buckaineer]

As much as turnovers and poor QB play have affected the BIG 12 the last few years,

Unless WVU decides they are serious about winning, you are going to see more of the same results. Other schools in this league invest more into their programs, pay their coaches more, and see better results.

Baylor just built a new stadium. K-State, Tech, OU, and even ISU are doing major stadium renovations and additions. WVU can't even bid out it's media rights without botching the process.

You mean WVU can't bid out it's media rights without small time politics getting in the way. WVU isn't the problem, its the outside negativity that is the problem.

 

[GoWVU]

Every dope on a message board is complaining about "medocrity", but here is the cold truth. WV is a completely mediocre state. It has a mediocre economy. Mediocre education. Mediocre state health. Mediocre growth. Mediocre leadership. But yet - fans expect it's college football team to be the best in the country?

The straw man that keeps getting trotted out every single time in an effort to discredit people unhappy with Holgorsen. No legitimate poster on this board has ever made that an expectation.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

The straw man that keeps getting trotted out every single time in an effort to discredit people unhappy with Holgorsen. No legitimate poster on this board has ever made that an expectation.

LOL - No, none. They just want us to compete for a conference championship, the playoffs and a national championship and if we don't they want the coach fired.

 

[GoWVU]

LOL - No, none.

So link me one...

They just want us to compete for a conference championship

Yes, they do, and nobody wants the coach fired for not doing so.

They want him fired because he's not even making measurable progress toward that goal in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

So link me one...
Yes, they do, and nobody wants the coach fired for not doing so.

They want him fired because he's not even making measurable progress toward that goal in a reasonable amount of time.

LOL - You folks have wanted to fire him for 3 years.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

As much as turnovers and poor QB play have affected the BIG 12 the last few years,


You mean WVU can't bid out it's media rights without small time politics getting in the way. WVU isn't the problem, its the outside negativity that is the problem.

Perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Oliver Luck get REMOVED from the rebid after it was revealed that there were improprieties in the bid. Sounds to me like Ollie Luck tried to do his buddies a favor and got called on it by JR, hence why they settled the case.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

Every state has its problems but the great majority of states do not have the significant problems that WV has.

Among the problems that WV has is that in several studies it has been shown that WV has the highest level of stress and/or neuroticism in the country. And many of these neurotic fans act like WV deserves a winner. Example: See your own post.

Because I suggest that WV has bigger problems than the lack of a winning football program I am, in your words, "the bane of modern society." This is beyond ridiculous.

It is logical to do all the work and get nothing for it when in fact the team you play has done the same work and might actually win the game? Again ... ridiculous on your part. But that's my point. It's not like WVU has some kind of special corner on recruiting football players and developing a team. There are a bunch of P5 teams out there doing the same thing.

Thanks for helping me make my point.

I suggest professional help. You talk like Eersfan and he needs help too.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

Silly comments from someone obviously out of touch or simply ignorant.

What makes you think WVU hasn't made a choice to be a winner? We certainly made a choice to be a member of one of the best (if not the best) conference in college football. We make a choice to develop and re-invest into our facilities (baseball park, basetkball facility, stadium upgrades, ect.) so they are competitive with other programs. We made a choice to get rid of the last coach who everyone said wasn't getting the job done. All those decisions could have been different.

Every dope on a message board is complaining about "medocrity", but here is the cold truth. WV is a completely mediocre state. It has a mediocre economy. Mediocre education. Mediocre state health. Mediocre growth. Mediocre leadership. But yet - fans expect it's college football team to be the best in the country?

Ignorant. WVU out-performs itself on every level. We shouldn't be as good as we are, but we've done it by doing the very thing you accused the school of not doing - making choices.

You don't like our head coach, got it. Our fans didn't like Bobby Bowden, Don Nehlen or Bill Stewart either. Chances are you won't like the next guy we hire or the one after him, so what's the point in trying to appease you?

I will take that as high praise from the likes of you. Your posts are always filled with inane ideas and boundless stupidity.

 

[GoWVU]

LOL - You folks have wanted to fire him for 3 years.

Then link me a post that says what you originally claimed. I doubt you can find one, because no one's ever made such unrealistic demands.

No one wants Holgorsen canned because we're not "the best team in the country" or because "we didn't come in and dominate the Big 12 right away" as his most shrill defenders claim. That's sheer lunacy and can be easily dismissed as irrational.

The reason they want him gone is what I stated above and it's the most simple, but important reason of all--we're just not making enough progress.

You're right about one thing: I have wanted him out since the end of 2013...but it's also true that you've clearly started having some of the same thoughts, because you've been posting on that topic in recent days. Ironically, your rationale for possibly making a change is pretty darn close to mine.

However, you've also offered probably the most compelling new reason for keeping him another season.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Oliver Luck get REMOVED from the rebid after it was revealed that there were improprieties in the bid. Sounds to me like Ollie Luck tried to do his buddies a favor and got called on it by JR, hence why they settled the case.

He removed himself, not the same. The case was settled for around 900K, which was parting money. That's what happens when you aggressively pursue lawsuits, they get settled - even stupid ones.

Luck did what the BOG wanted done on this issue and did a fine job.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Then link me a post that says what you originally claimed. I doubt you can find one, because no one's ever made such unrealistic demands.

No one wants Holgorsen canned because we're not "the best team in the country" or because "we didn't come in and dominate the Big 12 right away" as his most shrill defenders claim. That's sheer lunacy and can be easily dismissed as irrational.

The reason they want him gone is what I stated above and it's the most simple, but important reason of all--we're just not making enough progress.

You're right about one thing: I have wanted him out since the end of 2013...but it's also true that you've clearly started having some of the same thoughts, because you've been posting on that topic in recent days. Ironically, your rationale for possibly making a change is pretty darn close to mine.

However, you've also offered probably the most compelling new reason for keeping him another season.

I've said many times that I'm indifferent. I have no professional or personal investment in him. I don't think he's as bad as most of your mob claim.

 

[GoWVU]

I've said many times that I'm indifferent. I have no professional or personal investment in him. I don't think he's as bad as most of your mob claim.

I have no professional or personal investment in him, either. Keaton and his ilk are what resembles a mob around here. They're the ones who seem to have some kind of personal obsession with protecting Holgorsen at any cost.

For the record, I don't think he's terrible either. I think it was Numbers who said it first late last season or maybe over the winter: We appear to have made something worse than a bad hire...we made a terminally mediocre one.

Keep in mind--even as a person who wanted Holgorsen out at the end of 2013--I still believe he's a better coordinator than RR, who I liked much better as our head coach.

Even for people who weren't on the "fire him" bandwagon as early as I was, it's almost to the point where you have to start looking in the mirror and realizing that--like Stewart--the BCS win was the only true substantive highlight there is going to be. A good annual upset each year after that for Dana, unlike Bill, but not enough of them to outweigh the blowouts and disappointing letdown defeats to average or bad opponents.

If he reverses his track record and gets on a good run in November this year, then it's all moot for another year. Short of that, however, I think your "too many other openings" argument is his only other salvation.

 

[Pushingtin]

Why do people keep wanting RichRod back over Dana.....the simple answer is he is a better coach.
Everyone knew that taking Mich from the Big10 power football to the spread was going to be a challenge to say the least but they were improving, just not fast enough for a non Mich man.
He has built a quality program at Zona but as was the case at WVU, he doesn't have a defense to compete weekly in the Pac12 especially with Scooter out. I don't think he is the best answer but he is a better answer than Dana.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

The Pac 12 has done more than the big 12 has since we joined

More what? This makes no sense.

Holgorson isn't on the list of schools that would financially be able to afford him based on his current WVU contract

Holgorsen's salary ranks 35th out of 128 FBS coaches, but about 5 private schools don't disclose salary. At $2.8mil Holgorsen would be a bargain at So. Carolina, Spurrier was getting $4mil, and would be a small increase to MD which paid Edsell $2.1mil. I'm sure Sarkisian at USC was getting more than twice what Dana is getting and he'd be a bargain there too. So I don't think this argument hold water either.

Lastly, your posting style reads in a familiar way. Is that you VMF or wvdefense or whatever you're calling yourself now?

 

[Pushingtin]

More what? This makes no sense.



Holgorsen's salary ranks 35th out of 128 FBS coaches, but about 5 private schools don't disclose salary. At $2.8mil Holgorsen would be a bargain at So. Carolina, Spurrier was getting $4mil, and would be a small increase to MD which paid Edsell $2.1mil. I'm sure Sarkisian at USC was getting more than twice what Dana is getting and he'd be a bargain there too. So I don't think this argument hold water either.

Lastly, your posting style reads in a familiar way. Is that you VMF or wvdefense or whatever you're calling yourself now?

Actually...you have to add in the cost of Efore contract because we all know he is only on staff to be an entertainment buddy!!! The p5 schools want all that TV money so that they can afford to makes decisions such as these....all Coaches up to Dabo are in close proximity to each other.
Also...Dana can earn an extra 600,000 in bonuses for wins, championships and season ticket sales.....needless to say that 600,000 is safe!!

 

[john in california]

Silly comments from someone obviously out of touch or simply ignorant.

What makes you think WVU hasn't made a choice to be a winner? We certainly made a choice to be a member of one of the best (if not the best) conference in college football. We make a choice to develop and re-invest into our facilities (baseball park, basetkball facility, stadium upgrades, ect.) so they are competitive with other programs. We made a choice to get rid of the last coach who everyone said wasn't getting the job done. All those decisions could have been different.

Every dope on a message board is complaining about "medocrity", but here is the cold truth. WV is a completely mediocre state. It has a mediocre economy. Mediocre education. Mediocre state health. Mediocre growth. Mediocre leadership. But yet - fans expect it's college football team to be the best in the country?

Ignorant. WVU out-performs itself on every level. We shouldn't be as good as we are, but we've done it by doing the very thing you accused the school of not doing - making choices.

You don't like our head coach, got it. Our fans didn't like Bobby Bowden, Don Nehlen or Bill Stewart either. Chances are you won't like the next guy we hire or the one after him, so what's the point in trying to appease you?

please darth.....you can't possibly be equating bowden and nehlen with holgs, can you?.....wvu is in the top 25 in football and basketball wins.....the proximity to western pa., ne ohio, maryland, va. and the ties with florida give wvu ample recruiting bases.....wvu has a way better than mediocre football history.....not just a cut above as you suggest.....its mediocre under holgs, but can attract a better coach imo.....why?.....because it historically has......

 

[john in california]

I have no professional or personal investment in him, either. Keaton and his ilk are what resembles a mob around here. They're the ones who seem to have some kind of personal obsession with protecting Holgorsen at any cost.

For the record, I don't think he's terrible either. I think it was Numbers who said it first late last season or maybe over the winter: We appear to have made something worse than a bad hire...we made a terminally mediocre one.

Keep in mind--even as a person who wanted Holgorsen out at the end of 2013--I still believe he's a better coordinator than RR, who I liked much better as our head coach.

Even for people who weren't on the "fire him" bandwagon as early as I was, it's almost to the point where you have to start looking in the mirror and realizing that--like Stewart--the BCS win was the only true substantive highlight there is going to be. A good annual upset each year after that for Dana, unlike Bill, but not enough of them to outweigh the blowouts and disappointing letdown defeats to average or bad opponents.

If he reverses his track record and gets on a good run in November this year, then it's all moot for another year. Short of that, however, I think your "too many other openings" argument is his only other salvation.

i agree with the obsessive support of holgs from the mob.....i suggest its leader's judgment is clouded by that obsession and the objective judgment has been replaced by arrogance and intolerance of others' opinions, based on insecurity and not on fact or alleged insider knowledge......

 

[john in california]

Then link me a post that says what you originally claimed. I doubt you can find one, because no one's ever made such unrealistic demands.

No one wants Holgorsen canned because we're not "the best team in the country" or because "we didn't come in and dominate the Big 12 right away" as his most shrill defenders claim. That's sheer lunacy and can be easily dismissed as irrational.

The reason they want him gone is what I stated above and it's the most simple, but important reason of all--we're just not making enough progress.

You're right about one thing: I have wanted him out since the end of 2013...but it's also true that you've clearly started having some of the same thoughts, because you've been posting on that topic in recent days. Ironically, your rationale for possibly making a change is pretty darn close to mine.

However, you've also offered probably the most compelling new reason for keeping him another season.

thank you.....i beieve there are plenty of capable coaches who would love the wvu job.....and our fruitful regional recruiting base.....how about jeff brohm at western kentucky or the coach at memphis, whose name escapes me, but his accomplishments haven't?.....both of those guys have successful head-coaching experience......

 

[john in california]

If the Mountaineers finish the season on a six-game or seven-game win streak, then I would not be so certain.

It sure would be a nice "problem" to have, in any case.

if wvu wins six or seven in a row, then holgs would be on safe ground and we'd all be happy with the progress.....i hope you are right, but do you really believe that will happen?......

 

[john in california]

The straw man that keeps getting trotted out every single time in an effort to discredit people unhappy with Holgorsen. No legitimate poster on this board has ever made that an expectation.[/QUO

I will take that as high praise from the likes of you. Your posts are always filled with inane ideas and boundless stupidity.

boundless is such a descriptive adjective.....good choice..... ......