13-3 against weak competition. To quote the talking heads Wvu doesn't have a significant win per committee. Failed to beat a weak Oklahoma team at home. The only reason Oklahoma is winning is because of the competition they have played. Houston and OSU exposed them for the frauds that they are. We had more total yards than OU but the lack of execution and poor mental discipline displayed in the 1st half cost us the game. It is a testament to poor coaching. Holgorsen choked again on the main stage but you should be happy because his price just plummeted like the stock market crash of 1929. Nobody is coming for him now an he will be forced to take whatever offer Lyons gives him.
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And what if we win our last two games and then defeat a good team in a bowl? Will Dana really be in a bad negotiating position with an 11-2 season?
Knucklehead.
To be in a good negotiating position it is best to have a job offer elsewhere. The performance last night on a national stage ended any hope of him landing another offer. He is at the mercy of Lyons. Its not year 3 its year 6. Its taken him too long in the eyes of the blue bloods to prove himself. Lyons holds the cards.
Well if Dana was to go a 11-2 like you say then he would have reached that record by winning a bowl game. It also means that he failed to get a job offer from a bigger school. In order to negotiate from a position of strength its best to have a suitor to hold in front of your currents bosses head. unfortunately that is unlikely to happen. Big schools are not going to be overly impressed with a coach who hasn't done anything in the last 5 seasons. It would be great for someone to come in and pluck this choke artist from us. we may actually get someone that can win a big game. Unfortunately this is unlikely to happen and where stuck with this guy for another 2-3 seasons. He will probably get a small increase in salary and 2-3 year extension but not with much guaranteed money. Lyons controls the negotiations if you don't have a suitor you've got nothing that's how negotiations work you knucklehead.
Uh ... job offers aren't offered after bowl games?
If he coaches in a bowl game it means that no one is interested in him because no coach who has coached a bowl game left for another job after the bowl?
Right!
If Dana regroups his team and they finish strong it is no credit to him?
If the team finishes strong there will be no negotiating with Lyons?
Right!
Let me tell you what is going on here .... you are so disappointed with last night's loss that it is clouding your thinking.
You'll hear no argument from me that another significant job offer/possibility will give you leverage in a negotiation.
But the lack of that offer does not mean there is nothing to negotiate in a renewed contract. And if we finish at 11-2 it can be said that this program has taken a big step forward ... just not as big as if we would go 12-1.
But the lack of that offer does not mean there is nothing to negotiate in a renewed contract. And if we finish at 11-2 it can be said that this program has taken a big step forward ... just not as big as if we would go 12-1.
Lsu, Texas and Oregon will all have coach's by the time we play are bowl game unless there target is an NFL coach. None of those schools will pursue Holgorsen.
I'm not talking about Holgorsen. I'm talking about your statement that if any coach coaches in a bowl game it means he has no job possibility elsewhere. That is simply a misguided notion.
There will only be three schools looking for a coach?
There aren't coaches who will be fired after bowl games?
Look .... if you have a really big job offer then you have the ultimate leverage. But to act like they are the only jobs that could have a factor is just you making up things to bolster your make believe argument.
If Holgorsen finishes strong and his contract is renewed, there will be things to negotiate.
Sorry .... but it is reality. Knucklehead.
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After the Oklahoma debacle I'm not sure WVU fans should be throwing stones at Louisville or Western Michigan.
We can hang our hat on 8-2. That's good. But 0-2 vs. ranked teams. Not good.
WVU has a change for some redemption by beating Iowa State and Baylor, 2-6 and 3-4 in Big 12 games this season. WVU at 5-2 is third behind Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, the 2 teams that they got into turnover shellshock over.
A failure to win out and go 10-2 and 7-2 for its highest Big 12 finish ever would be painful. But, then, so was watching the Oklahoma game in winter weather. The weather didn't both me nearly as much as my alma mater's putrid performance.
M anhandled Missouri, 26-11
O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21
U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32
N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16
T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17
A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10
I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37
N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21
E xcellent, timely defense AGAIN; beat Texas, 24-20
E rectile dysfunctioned against Oklahoma, 56-28
R ebound at Iowa State
S urvive Baylor
We can hang our hat on 8-2. That's good. But 0-2 vs. ranked teams. Not good.
WVU has a change for some redemption by beating Iowa State and Baylor, 2-6 and 3-4 in Big 12 games this season. WVU at 5-2 is third behind Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, the 2 teams that they got into turnover shellshock over.
A failure to win out and go 10-2 and 7-2 for its highest Big 12 finish ever would be painful. But, then, so was watching the Oklahoma game in winter weather. The weather didn't both me nearly as much as my alma mater's putrid performance.
M anhandled Missouri, 26-11
O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21
U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32
N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16
T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17
A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10
I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37
N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21
E xcellent, timely defense AGAIN; beat Texas, 24-20
E rectile dysfunctioned against Oklahoma, 56-28
R ebound at Iowa State
S urvive Baylor
Where pretty much going to Russell athletic bowl now. We will probably play either Fsu,Louisville,Miami,Pitt, UNC. I wouldn't say these are bad teams but not very good either. If you listen to the retard that started this thread then they are way overrated. I personally feel if we went to this game we would have a 50/50 chance. I could see us winning but wouldn't be surprised in the least if we lost.
He knows you're punisheer. Anything you say has already been discredited you overpaid ass wiper
Not to many programs at the level of wvu fire coaches after bowl games. Most of the them who do don't have much to choose from. Lsu,Texas and Oregon will have someone in place within 2 weeks after the season ends unless there target is in the NFL.That's the reality of it knucklehead.
Les Miles was 28-21 and 7-5 his last season at Oklahoma St. His last game was a 31-15 loss to Texas Tech. He got the LSU job after that.
Beamer was 21-40-2 in his first 6 years. (Dana 44-30 in his 6 years with 2 games to go)
217-81-2 after that.
WVU fans have no patience at all.
