LMFAO on ACC's position

[WVU_Dave]

ACC standing pat, for now, amid the chaos of college football realignment

Like they have any other options? The whole "grab some teams from the west coast for evening content" is such BS that is simply being pushed by ESPN to consolidate their hold on college football, but at least the ACC understands there is little advantage for them. They likely have to hope the Big12 get ripped apart and they can go grab UCF, Cincy, and as a bonus watch WVU end up in the AAC.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

ACC standing pat, for now, amid the chaos of college football realignment

Like they have any other options? The whole "grab some teams from the west coast for evening content" is such BS that is simply being pushed by ESPN to consolidate their hold on college football, but at least the ACC understands there is little advantage for them. They likely have to hope the Big12 get ripped apart and they can go grab UCF, Cincy, and as a bonus watch WVU end up in the AAC.

It is inevitable that the Big 2 conferences will want Clemson, UNC, UVA, FSU and/or Miami. BC might even have a chance given it is in a big TV market. It is also inevitable that if either of the Big 2 come calling, those teams are going. So here is the inevitable future for the ACC ...

ACC scraps: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, Wake Forest, NC State, Duke, Georgia Tech.

Compared to the Big 12

Big 12: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TTU, TCU, Houston, Baylor, ISU, WVU, Cincinnati, UCF.

Neither are nearly as good as the Big 10 or SEC, but in the above cases the Big 12 is definitely in a better spot than the ACC. Hence the ACC would be stupid to turn their nose up to any program that might be in that 2nd tier between the Big 2 conferences and the current AAC level schools which definitely includes WVU. That being said, WVU may not be wise to jump ship to the ACC for temporary security and improvement in scheduling.

It is unrealistic for the Big 12, PAC 12, or ACC to compete with the Big 10 or SEC.
So ideally the Big 12 would be aggressive in pursuing the best 4 schools in the PAC-12 and get to 16. Then make the best ACC programs aware they have a spot when that conference gets raided later and set itself up as a 20 - 24 team, cross country conference of that is the undisputed "best of the rest."

 

[topdecktiger]

ACC standing pat, for now, amid the chaos of college football realignment

Like they have any other options? The whole "grab some teams from the west coast for evening content" is such BS that is simply being pushed by ESPN to consolidate their hold on college football, but at least the ACC understands there is little advantage for them. They likely have to hope the Big12 get ripped apart and they can go grab UCF, Cincy, and as a bonus watch WVU end up in the AAC.

According to the article, addingvtge teams you mentioned won't help. The article states that expansion options were explored, and none of the teams available would increase the payout.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

According to the article, addingvtge teams you mentioned won't help. The article states that expansion options were explored, and none of the teams available would increase the payout.

It's not about increasing the pay out, it's about survival in the future. Clemson, UNC, UVA, and Miami or FSU are inevitably gone in the ACC's future. BC and the other of the FSU/Miami move are at risk as well. At that point who is there to add? ECU, Memphis, SMU? Also the ACC without 4-6 of its most competitive/lucrative teams will look impotent to even the current misfit Big 12, suddenly making the ACC's mid tier teams a possible loss to the Big 12 if an offer comes along.

 

[steeleer]

If the Big 12 goes to 16 with PAC 12 teams then they would be smart to pursue VT and FSU. Both are in a scary position to end up anywhere from the SEC to being totally screwed. Both schools have fairly competitive options in state (UVA and Miami respectively). Both have blemishes and are far from a lock to get an SEC invite.

Does either team abandon the bird in the hand (B12) which would be a lock to stay at the big boy table in order to get the get the 2 in the bush (SEC)?
I bet that they wouldn't. Suddenly you put pressure on the SEC to make a rash decision. The SEC hasn't been put in that spot for years. It would be fun.

 

[Tylerite]

It's not about increasing the pay out, it's about survival in the future. Clemson, UNC, UVA, and Miami or FSU are inevitably gone in the ACC's future. BC and the other of the FSU/Miami move are at risk as well. At that point who is there to add? ECU, Memphis, SMU? Also the ACC without 4-6 of its most competitive/lucrative teams will look impotent to even the current misfit Big 12, suddenly making the ACC's mid tier teams a possible loss to the Big 12 if an offer comes along.

I can’t believe you mentioned ecu. They wouldn’t be on any leagues radar

 

[Rootmaster]

I can’t believe you mentioned ecu. They wouldn’t be on any leagues radar

Tylerite. Anti Christian. Tylerite. Bigot. Tylerite.

 

[Mitch D.]

It is inevitable that the Big 2 conferences will want Clemson, UNC, UVA, FSU and/or Miami. BC might even have a chance given it is in a big TV market. It is also inevitable that if either of the Big 2 come calling, those teams are going. So here is the inevitable future for the ACC ...

ACC scraps: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, Wake Forest, NC State, Duke, Georgia Tech.

Compared to the Big 12

Big 12: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TTU, TCU, Houston, Baylor, ISU, WVU, Cincinnati, UCF.

Neither are nearly as good as the Big 10 or SEC, but in the above cases the Big 12 is definitely in a better spot than the ACC. Hence the ACC would be stupid to turn their nose up to any program that might be in that 2nd tier between the Big 2 conferences and the current AAC level schools which definitely includes WVU. That being said, WVU may not be wise to jump ship to the ACC for temporary security and improvement in scheduling.

It is unrealistic for the Big 12, PAC 12, or ACC to compete with the Big 10 or SEC.
So ideally the Big 12 would be aggressive in pursuing the best 4 schools in the PAC-12 and get to 16. Then make the best ACC programs aware they have a spot when that conference gets raided later and set itself up as a 20 - 24 team, cross country conference of that is the undisputed "best of the rest."

Duke will be taken along with UNC and UVA.

 

[Mitch D.]

According to the article, addingvtge teams you mentioned won't help. The article states that expansion options were explored, and none of the teams available would increase the payout.

The ACC is carrying too much dead weight, it's as simple as that.

Until they address that problem, nothing else they do is going to matter.

You're right, there is no one program that is going to raise the value enough, but a league still needs to have quality content to televise.

If they would shed their dead weight first, then that is when a program like WVU could be a valuable addition for them.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

I can’t believe you mentioned ecu. They wouldn’t be on any leagues radar

That is the point. The Big 12 has pretty much added the only schools of value to replace future ACC departures. I don't see how the ACC could replace 4 teams without picking up a team that is close to ECU level outside of the unrealistic notion of nabbing ND or poaching another similar to better conference.

 

[sammyk]

Here is where I think how the ACC will he cut up

BIG
UNC
UVA
Miami
Notre Dame

SEC
Clemson(I think it’s a stretch but makes sense)
Florida State
VTech
Either Duke or NC State

Big 12
Pitt
Louisville
GTech
Syracuse
The big 12 will then take 4 PAC teams.
Now all of this can change on what Notre Dame does. If they stay put as an Indy look for the BIG to get Oregon and Washington. Then UNC and UVA. The Mountain west conference could be big winners here. There will be some PAC schools left over like Stanford Cal Oregon st Washington st. These schools would not only upgrade competition but the academic profile. And add new footprints Also the AAC could pick up left over ACC schools like Boston College Georgia Tech Wake Forest Ect. This does the same for the AAC as the MWC It all depends on ND So lots of puzzle pieces to put together. Again an opinion of an old man

 

[steeleer]

Duke will be taken along with UNC and UVA.

I'm sure they would go but I doubt the SEC would take them. Not enough spots. Likely B10 if anyone.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Duke would only go if someone wanted a top basketball team only. Same as Kansas.

 

[Mitch D.]

Duke would only go if someone wanted a top basketball team only. Same as Kansas.

I think UNC and UVA will try to make it a condition to include Duke wherever they go.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I think UNC and UVA will try to make it a condition to include Duke wherever they go.

Not sure they're in a position to make any demands.

 

[Mitch D.]

Not sure they're in a position to make any demands.

They have a lot of influence, especially if they are a package deal.

 

[steeleer]

I think UNC and UVA will try to make it a condition to include Duke wherever they go.

UNC and UVA will be too busy getting rug burns on their knees to worry about Duke.

 

[Mitch D.]

Don

UNC and UVA will be too busy getting rug burns on their knees to worry about Duke.

Don't count on it. They wield a lot of influence.

 

[Tylerite]

Don

Don't count on it. They wield a lot of influence.

With whom? ESPN?

 

[Mitch D.]

With whom? ESPN?

How old are you?

 

[Tylerite]

How old are you?

Irrelevant to my question. Now who does Duke supposedly have a lot of influence over?

 

[steeleer]

Don

Don't count on it. They wield a lot of influence.

PSU used to wield a lot of influence before they got into the B 10. How did that go?

UNC and UVA are absolutely nothing compared with the Ohio States and Michigans of the world. They will kiss all that ass to get in.

 

[Mitch D.]

Irrelevant to my question. Now who does Duke supposedly have a lot of influence over?

Your question is irrelevant. Come back when you grow up and get f***ing clue.

 

[Tylerite]

Your question is irrelevant. Come back when you grow up and get f***ing clue.

Typical dodger, you say they have influence when most of us are wondering with who. Because they are surely not showing it.

 

[sammyk]

UNC is relevant as far as a brand goes. And “if” UNC joins the BIG they will begin to become a lot more relevant. There is too much talent in NC for them not to be. Then joining the BIG May almost force them to make football important and if that happens watch out. And who said their basketball is trending downward. That’s just plain stupid.

 

[Mitch D.]

Typical dodger, you say they have influence when most of us are wondering with who. Because they are surely not showing it.

I'm not dodging you, I'm ignoring you.

I'll get around to dodging you later. You're not worth my time.

When you say "most of us", you really mean yourself.

Because "most people" don't need to have the obvious explained to them. You obviously do.

It's not my job to educate you, Skippy. Go educate yourself.

 

[Tylerite]

Lol, it’s because you don’t have an answer. Must be a Duke fan.
But I’ll answer it for you. They don’t have any influence in this realignment driven by football.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

I'm not dodging you, I'm ignoring you.

I'll get around to dodging you later. You're not worth my time.

When you say "most of us", you really mean yourself.

Because "most people" don't need to have the obvious explained to them. You obviously do.

It's not my job to educate you, Skippy. Go educate yourself.

Duke is a basketball school that shares a market with UNC and NC State. No team in NC is a football power house and that is what drives the expansion. So, yeah you would need to explain why a private school of Duke which only has a fair weather fans and is in a market with the much better situated UNC would have "influence" over the Big 10 and SEC to dictate terms. UConn at last round of expansion was a team with great basketball pedigree, a more contemporarily accomplished football program, and in a TV market not already shared by a better program and it got them nothing. UNC and UVA are in the same boat as it is rather far fetched that the Big 10 or SEC would pick up baggage for them as a condition of their joining when, like the UConn example above, they know the diminishment of their programs in the less relevant lands of conference sports will still benefit the SEC and Big 10 even if it is somewhat less than the benefit of adding their programs to the conference coffers now.

 

[sammyk]

Duke is a basketball school that shares a market with UNC and NC State. No team in NC is a football power house and that is what drives the expansion. So, yeah you would need to explain why a private school of Duke which only has a fair weather fans and is in a market with the much better situated UNC would have "influence" over the Big 10 and SEC to dictate terms. UConn at last round of expansion was a team with great basketball pedigree, a more contemporarily accomplished football program, and in a TV market not already shared by a better program and it got them nothing. UNC and UVA are in the same boat as it is rather far fetched that the Big 10 or SEC would pick up baggage for them as a condition of their joining when, like the UConn example above, they know the diminishment of their programs in the less relevant lands of conference sports will still benefit the SEC and Big 10 even if it is somewhat less than the benefit of adding their programs to the conference coffers now.

I think UNC and UVA are in growing states with growing talent. The BIG will go after them. But not Duke

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

I think UNC and UVA are in growing states with growing talent. The BIG will go after them. But not Duke

Yeah and if either of them gets uppity and tells the Big 10 they have to take Duke as well or not get the power houses that are UVA and UNC, the Big 10 will tell them to pound sand. This post was in response to someone positing that UVA and UNC have the influence to get Duke into one of the big conferences. If Duke does get in to the Big 10 or SEC, it won't be because UVA or UNC threatened to not grace that conference with their presence as leverage.

 

[WVUALLEN]

They have a lot of influence, especially if they are a package deal.

I don't think they have enough to be able to drag in Duke in with them. If invited to either SEC or B1G without Duke they would step on Duke to get through the door.

 

[eerdoc]

It is inevitable that the Big 2 conferences will want Clemson, UNC, UVA, FSU and/or Miami. BC might even have a chance given it is in a big TV market. It is also inevitable that if either of the Big 2 come calling, those teams are going. So here is the inevitable future for the ACC ...

ACC scraps: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, Wake Forest, NC State, Duke, Georgia Tech.

Compared to the Big 12

Big 12: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TTU, TCU, Houston, Baylor, ISU, WVU, Cincinnati, UCF.

Neither are nearly as good as the Big 10 or SEC, but in the above cases the Big 12 is definitely in a better spot than the ACC. Hence the ACC would be stupid to turn their nose up to any program that might be in that 2nd tier between the Big 2 conferences and the current AAC level schools which definitely includes WVU. That being said, WVU may not be wise to jump ship to the ACC for temporary security and improvement in scheduling.

It is unrealistic for the Big 12, PAC 12, or ACC to compete with the Big 10 or SEC.
So ideally the Big 12 would be aggressive in pursuing the best 4 schools in the PAC-12 and get to 16. Then make the best ACC programs aware they have a spot when that conference gets raided later and set itself up as a 20 - 24 team, cross country conference of that is the undisputed "best of the rest."

Maybe the best outcome might be what you mention but add this condition. None of yhe schools in this 3rd. Conference schedules anyone from SEC or BIG. Then have both of these major Conferences refuse to schedule schools from the other. Soon both of these ‘powerhouse’ conferences become totally boring and everyone has lost interest in their product.
IMPLOSION and we start all over!!!

 

[steeleer]

UNC is relevant as far as a brand goes. And “if” UNC joins the BIG they will begin to become a lot more relevant. There is too much talent in NC for them not to be. Then joining the BIG May almost force them to make football important and if that happens watch out. And who said their basketball is trending downward. That’s just plain stupid.

now look at the prior seasons. They had a great run in the Tournament but that was hardly expected.

 

[Mitch D.]

Duke is a basketball school that shares a market with UNC and NC State. No team in NC is a football power house and that is what drives the expansion. So, yeah you would need to explain why a private school of Duke which only has a fair weather fans and is in a market with the much better situated UNC would have "influence" over the Big 10 and SEC to dictate terms. UConn at last round of expansion was a team with great basketball pedigree, a more contemporarily accomplished football program, and in a TV market not already shared by a better program and it got them nothing. UNC and UVA are in the same boat as it is rather far fetched that the Big 10 or SEC would pick up baggage for them as a condition of their joining when, like the UConn example above, they know the diminishment of their programs in the less relevant lands of conference sports will still benefit the SEC and Big 10 even if it is somewhat less than the benefit of adding their programs to the conference coffers now.

All 3 are AAU schools.

UNC and UVA are not going anywhere without making a very strong effort to take Duke with them.

The reasons should be obvious. Aside from having a nearby competitor, they are 3 of the biggest brands out there.

That stuff is tremendously important to the BIG, where they would most likely end up. But you can't rule out the SEC either.

 

[topdecktiger]

It's not about increasing the pay out, it's about survival in the future. Clemson, UNC, UVA, and Miami or FSU are inevitably gone in the ACC's future. BC and the other of the FSU/Miami move are at risk as well. At that point who is there to add? ECU, Memphis, SMU? Also the ACC without 4-6 of its most competitive/lucrative teams will look impotent to even the current misfit Big 12, suddenly making the ACC's mid tier teams a possible loss to the Big 12 if an offer comes along.

Yes, it is about increasing revenue. That's the only reason any teams would be leaving in the first place.

"Survival" is contingent on keeping the current teams in place. If the teams you mentioned are gone, there won't be an ACC to begin with. The remaining teams will partner with some other teams, and the ACC won't exist, sort of like what happened with the Big East. However, the point is that survival is only an issue to the individual schools themselves. The ACC as an entity unto itself isn't something that needs or wants to exist.

The ACC is carrying too much dead weight, it's as simple as that.

Until they address that problem, nothing else they do is going to matter.

You're right, there is no one program that is going to raise the value enough, but a league still needs to have quality content to televise.

If they would shed their dead weight first, then that is when a program like WVU could be a valuable addition for them.

It just doesn't really work that way. Otherwise, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc. would have been gone long ago.

Like I said to the orher poster, the ACC as an entity unto itself is not really a thing. The ACC only exists to facilitate the existing schools. If all/most of the schools leave, the the ACC won't try to reconstitute itself. It will just disappear, much like what happened with the WAC years ago.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Yes, it is about increasing revenue. That's the only reason any teams would be leaving in the first place.

"Survival" is contingent on keeping the current teams in place. If the teams you mentioned are gone, there won't be an ACC to begin with. The remaining teams will partner with some other teams, and the ACC won't exist, sort of like what happened with the Big East. However, the point is that survival is only an issue to the individual schools themselves. The ACC as an entity unto itself isn't something that needs or wants to exist.

It just doesn't really work that way. Otherwise, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc. would have been gone long ago.

Like I said to the orher poster, the ACC as an entity unto itself is not really a thing. The ACC only exists to facilitate the existing schools. If all/most of the schools leave, the the ACC won't try to reconstitute itself. It will just disappear, much like what happened with the WAC years ago.

If it's about increasing revenue then why are the Vandy's, Wake Forest, Ga. Tech, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois of conferences allowed to stay?

 

[Tylerite]

Yes, it is about increasing revenue. That's the only reason any teams would be leaving in the first place.

"Survival" is contingent on keeping the current teams in place. If the teams you mentioned are gone, there won't be an ACC to begin with. The remaining teams will partner with some other teams, and the ACC won't exist, sort of like what happened with the Big East. However, the point is that survival is only an issue to the individual schools themselves. The ACC as an entity unto itself isn't something that needs or wants to exist.

It just doesn't really work that way. Otherwise, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc. would have been gone long ago.

Like I said to the orher poster, the ACC as an entity unto itself is not really a thing. The ACC only exists to facilitate the existing schools. If all/most of the schools leave, the the ACC won't try to reconstitute itself. It will just disappear, much like what happened with the WAC years ago.

The WAC isn’t gone, just “reconstituted “.

 

[Mitch D.]

Yes, it is about increasing revenue. That's the only reason any teams would be leaving in the first place.

"Survival" is contingent on keeping the current teams in place. If the teams you mentioned are gone, there won't be an ACC to begin with. The remaining teams will partner with some other teams, and the ACC won't exist, sort of like what happened with the Big East. However, the point is that survival is only an issue to the individual schools themselves. The ACC as an entity unto itself isn't something that needs or wants to exist.

It just doesn't really work that way. Otherwise, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc. would have been gone long ago.

Like I said to the orher poster, the ACC as an entity unto itself is not really a thing. The ACC only exists to facilitate the existing schools. If all/most of the schools leave, the the ACC won't try to reconstitute itself. It will just disappear, much like what happened with the WAC years ago.

Yes, it is about increasing revenue.....and the AAU schools bring in exponentially more revenue through their research arms than they do through athletics.

That's why you see them all stick together and it's precisely why you will see UNC and UVA try to bring Duke along with them.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Yes, it is about increasing revenue.....and the AAU schools bring in exponentially more revenue through their research arms than they do through athletics.

That's why you see them all stick together and it's precisely why you will see UNC and UVA try to bring Duke along with them.

They might try to bring Duke with them but they will fail.

 

[topdecktiger]

If it's about increasing revenue then why are the Vandy's, Wake Forest, Ga. Tech, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois of conferences allowed to stay?

If it's not about increasing revenue then why are Southern Cal and UCLA leaving the Pac 12 and Oklahoma and Texas leaving the Big 12? It's 100% because or revenue.

The WAC isn’t gone, just “reconstituted “.

Yes,it's gone. They no longer have football. The same way the Big East is gone. They no longer have football.