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John Kelly defends Vindman: 'He did exactly what we teach them to do

ultimate boss, the one that had him removed from the building, his name is Trump...hope that helps.

Morrison testified that Vinkman had issues with making proper decisions. This has nothing to do with Trump.
 
They yanked Vindman's brother too. This has everything to do with Biff..

Vindman's brother was in charge of reviewing publications for the NSC. This would include Bolton's book, parts of which were leaked.

He wasn't removed on a whim.
 
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Vindman's brother was in charge of reviewing publications for the NSC. This would include Bolton's book, parts of which were leaked.

He wasn't removed on a whim.
This isn't news but anyone who played even a small role in Trump's impeachment is being punished by Trump, it's not complicated. And then Trump suggests that the Army punish Vindman for being a patriot and good citizen. the revenge tour continues
 
I agree I the very loosest sense of the phrase. They do teach us to stand up for what we believe in and think is right and to call out things we believe are incorrect. There is no debating that.

There is also no debating Vindman believed the call was problematic. The question should and will be asked, problematic for whom? There’s no question Trump asked them to look into Biden along with the AG. There is some dirty shit that was going in Ukraine and quite a few people were in on the corruption and payoffs. Vindman being a political hawk decided he needed to warn his side of what was coming so they could start cleaning things up.

It’s all pretty simple, really.
 
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Lol, Kelly also burned the Fox news watching trumpies today too, look at em carrying draft dodgers water 24 - 7, history is not going to be kind, but you think some of them could look at this and go, nope, I wouldn't want a Democrat doing that either.
 
I agree I the very loosest sense of the phrase. They do teach us to stand up for what we believe in and think is right and to call out things we believe are incorrect. There is no debating that.

There is also no debating Vindman believed the call was problematic. The question should and will be asked, problematic for whom? There’s no question Trump asked them to look into Biden along with the AG. There is some dirty shit that was going in Ukraine and quite a few people were in on the corruption and payoffs. Vindman being a political hawk decided he needed to warn his side of what was coming so they could start cleaning things up.

It’s all pretty simple, really.
There’s no evidence of that. It’s a convenient narrative certainly.
 
There’s no evidence of that. It’s a convenient narrative certainly.
Lol, I wonder if ol devil dog has seen the rage tweet this morning from their favorite draft dodger trashing joh Kelly as having been in overhis head and not keeping his mouth shut? Trump rubes must imagine Donnie cuts a mre manly and honorable figure than General Kelly, how else ya explain who they side with?
 
There’s no evidence of that. It’s a convenient narrative certainly.
Ummmm, there actually is quite a bit of testimony to back it up.

The Whistleblower was Eric Ciarmella. Ciarmella was on Biden’s staff and working group for the Ukraine initiative dating back to 2014z We can debate the first point of that, but Schiff already inadvertently disclosed who it was. Vindman disclosed the contents of the call to both Ciarmella and another individual whom used to work in the NSC but began working for Schiff. His name escapes me. Those dots have been connected and were setup and established in the House.

You can say we don’t know about the corruption that was occurring in Ukraine. It’s been established that there was a funneling of money from the USG to the Ukraine, from the Ukraine to select NGOs, who in turn funneled money back to family members via choice jobs and direct contributions into Dem Congressional re-election war chests. The latter has been established as have board seats on NGOs who won contracts in the Ukraine. Again, Biden ran the playbook on Ukraine. Biden’s braggadocios TV interview is also there for everyone to see.

The contents of the President’s call isn’t debatable. He asked the President of Ukraine to assist AG Barr in investigations of the Crowdstrike stuff as well as the Biden’s. Perfectly correct for him to do that. The latter is actually part of the job of the DoJ. The former is Trump wanting to fully clear his name from the Mueller bullshit.

We can argue Vindman’s motives, but he did in fact reach out to NSC staff, Ciarmella and disclose the information. Ciarmella did in fact contact Schiff’s office. My argument is the whole impeachment was meant to stymie any investigation into the Crowdstrike and corruption investigations into Ukraine.
 
Lol, a couple of paragraphs from another trump water carrying moron picking and choosing what he wants to ignore, maybe he ain't read the latest tweet? I imagine telling General Kelly to keep his mouth shut impresses his lil mean girls club on here, they so tough and all, like Donnie.
 
Lol, a couple of paragraphs from another trump water carrying moron picking and choosing what he wants to ignore, maybe he ain't read the latest tweet? I imagine telling General Kelly to keep his mouth shut impresses his lil mean girls club on here, they so tough and all, like Donnie.
No, I don’t have a Twitter account. I try to avoid all social media outside of this board.
 
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