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Really surprises me, but it appears this new landscape is sending some coaches home and who couldn’t blame them?

Self has the most experience of paying players
 

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Yeah, must be really tough getting paid millions to coach players earning you that money who get nothing in return. Then if they find a better situation for themselves, just like he is doing now, they can move on like everyone else! How terrible!

Man some people‘s minds are stuck in the Stone Age.
 

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Are they getting free degrees?
Are they getting free room and board?
Are they getting free tutoring?
Are they getting money for food and gas?

Yeah they get no pay at all.
 
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Are they getting free degrees?
Are they getting free room and board?
Are they getting free tutoring?
Are they getting money for food and gas?

Yeah they get no pay at all.
Many arent allowed to attend class regularly let alone get a degree.

They arent getting “free” anything- they are providing a service and much sacrifice of their minds, time, privacy and health, which is depositing millions into the schools coffers.

In return they are receiving about 8 % of the value being provided to the school if that. Room and board, books, meals, this is simply money transferred between depts. in an institution- its something that the athletes earned, not something they are given for nothing. It doesnt approach what they are bringing into these schools financially even just for tv contracts- not to mention additional students, donors and free exposure for the schools worth even more.
 
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Yeah, must be really tough getting paid millions to coach players earning you that money who get nothing in return. Then if they find a better situation for themselves, just like he is doing now, they can move on like everyone else! How terrible!

Man some people‘s minds are stuck in the Stone Age.
Mmmm not hardly Stone Age thinking LOL, just a product of coaches who don’t have experience in this free agency and does not want to be around to learn it or have obedience to outside influences.

Tennessee just paid millions for a quarterback, or should I say a booster paid millions for a quarterback, which essentially will not be too happy if he doesn’t play. Unless he is a really cool cat, he may not give you any mo money in the future.

College athletics will have several Jerry Jones’s calling the shots per team LOL. People like Jay Wright are not gonna take any direction or allowed to be put in that situation especially when they have accomplished everything in the sport the right way.
 

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Many arent allowed to attend class regularly let alone get a degree.

They arent getting “free” anything- they are providing a service and much sacrifice of their minds, time, privacy and health, which is depositing millions into the schools coffers.

In return they are receiving about 8 % of the value being provided to the school if that. Room and board, books, meals, this is simply money transferred between depts. in an institution- its something that the athletes earned, not something they are given for nothing. It doesnt approach what they are bringing into these schools financially even just for tv contracts- not to mention additional students, donors and free exposure for the schools worth even more.
F your libtard thinking. Screw the modern day ball bouncing leeches and eliminate their free rides and special status and bring back "student athletes". Make these semi illiterate clowns earn their way into sports by actually passing real courses. Enough of your wussie victimhood crap.
 
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Many arent allowed to attend class regularly let alone get a degree.

They arent getting “free” anything- they are providing a service and much sacrifice of their minds, time, privacy and health, which is depositing millions into the schools coffers.

In return they are receiving about 8 % of the value being provided to the school if that. Room and board, books, meals, this is simply money transferred between depts. in an institution- its something that the athletes earned, not something they are given for nothing. It doesnt approach what they are bringing into these schools financially even just for tv contracts- not to mention additional students, donors and free exposure for the schools worth even more.
So you are saying they do not have a CHOICE? So, they don't have a choice to just not play sports and pay for their own classes or receive academic scholarships to earn a degree?

1. They chose to play sports
2. They became good at what they CHOSE to play
3. They receive compensation (free tuition, room and board, etc.) for playing/being good to attend X college or university (just like a person who score high ACT/GPA and get scholarship)
4A. If they are good enough, they get to move on to the next level and make MILLIONS
4B. If they are not good enough, they have earned a FREE degree to which they can now use to find employment and make a living and raise their family.

Yeah, sounds like the system sure is out to screw those student-athletes. :joy:
 

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So you are saying they do not have a CHOICE? So, they don't have a choice to just not play sports and pay for their own classes or receive academic scholarships to earn a degree?

1. They chose to play sports
2. They became good at what they CHOSE to play
3. They receive compensation (free tuition, room and board, etc.) for playing/being good to attend X college or university (just like a person who score high ACT/GPA and get scholarship)
4A. If they are good enough, they get to move on to the next level and make MILLIONS
4B. If they are not good enough, they have earned a FREE degree to which they can now use to find employment and make a living and raise their family.

Yeah, sounds like the system sure is out to screw those student-athletes. :joy:
Well said.
 

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So you are saying they do not have a CHOICE? So, they don't have a choice to just not play sports and pay for their own classes or receive academic scholarships to earn a degree?

1. They chose to play sports
2. They became good at what they CHOSE to play
3. They receive compensation (free tuition, room and board, etc.) for playing/being good to attend X college or university (just like a person who score high ACT/GPA and get scholarship)
4A. If they are good enough, they get to move on to the next level and make MILLIONS
4B. If they are not good enough, they have earned a FREE degree to which they can now use to find employment and make a living and raise their family.

Yeah, sounds like the system sure is out to screw those student-athletes. :joy:
The only “ compensation“ athletes currently receive is a couple thousand dollars in “ extra benefits” depending on which school/state you attend. And that is just a few years old now. Schools exchanging paper only money for room board books etc never touches the athletes hands. So no they aren’t being compensated at an equitable rate for what they are providing. They are getting a bare minimum to provide everything they have from money to time to their bodies to the university— that is until lawsuits were filed and via a lengthy court process they’ve been able to gain the ability to earn money off their own name and likeness rather than other entities such as the schools being able to, but not themselves.

If a regular student that contributes nothing close to the same benefits to a university wants to get paid for providing a service to the School, are they told to work for free for for years and then you’ll have the chance to make money afterwards? Of course not. That is illegal.

The fact remains that the student athletes are only receiving a tiny fraction of the billions they are bringing in. And slowly but surely that is changing.
 

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F your libtard thinking. Screw the modern day ball bouncing leeches and eliminate their free rides and special status and bring back "student athletes". Make these semi illiterate clowns earn their way into sports by actually passing real courses. Enough of your wussie victimhood crap.
Your racist right wing bs isn’t going to fly anymore, slavery is long over. If you want to work and perform for someone for free that’s your right. But these student athletes are never again going to do that. Considering the literally billions of dollars they are delivering to everyone involved, there’s no chance anyone will revert to no talent athletes to try to replace the gifted ones, because then their own profits will drop like a rock as few will have any interest in paying to see no talent athletes perform.
 

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Yeah, must be really tough getting paid millions to coach players earning you that money who get nothing in return. Then if they find a better situation for themselves, just like he is doing now, they can move on like everyone else! How terrible!

Man some people‘s minds are stuck in the Stone Age.
2018-2019 calendar year. Out of state costs to attend West Virginia:

$40,500.00

Room, board and tuition. Five years at todays cost would be a quarter of a million dollars. Imagine having to get and pay off student loans for that amount like the entire student body has to do. Poor miss treated ball players.
 
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Mmmm not hardly Stone Age thinking LOL, just a product of coaches who don’t have experience in this free agency and does not want to be around to learn it or have obedience to outside influences.

Tennessee just paid millions for a quarterback, or should I say a booster paid millions for a quarterback, which essentially will not be too happy if he doesn’t play. Unless he is a really cool cat, he may not give you any mo money in the future.

College athletics will have several Jerry Jones’s calling the shots per team LOL. People like Jay Wright are not gonna take any direction or allowed to be put in that situation especially when they have accomplished everything in the sport the right way.
Without the talented players Jay Wright is nothing. He’s apparently reaped enough millions off players backs at this point that he doesn’t need their money anymore— or maybe he has recruiting violations so he is getting out with his bag of money while he can.
 

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2018-2019 calendar year. Out of state costs to attend West Virginia:

$40,500.00

Room, board and tuition. Five years at todays cost would be a quarter of a million dollars. Imagine having to get and pay off student loans for that amount like the entire student body has to do. Poor miss treated ball players.
Studies put out by independent sources show that the average football or basketball player ( Mens) should be receiving $180,000 per year in compensation for what they are providing the schools and bringing in financially.
 

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Studies put out by independent sources show that the average football or basketball player ( Mens) should be receiving $180,000 per year in compensation for what they are providing the schools and bringing in financially.
What schools are they basing that on? Certainly the majority of the 300 plus Division One basketball players do not play in a power 5 school that takes in those billions of dollars. Look down the road at Marshall. Conference DOA payouts can’t support the football team’s expenses for one season. Marshall and other schools like it players are in the red.

Not picking on Marshall.
 
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Studies put out by independent sources show that the average football or basketball player ( Mens) should be receiving $180,000 per year in compensation for what they are providing the schools and bringing in financially.
Slobbering Joe , Cackling Cowmala, and Bucky have the same warped social justice victim first view of the world. Sickos.
 

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The only “ compensation“ athletes currently receive is a couple thousand dollars in “ extra benefits” depending on which school/state you attend. And that is just a few years old now. Schools exchanging paper only money for room board books etc never touches the athletes hands. So no they aren’t being compensated at an equitable rate for what they are providing. They are getting a bare minimum to provide everything they have from money to time to their bodies to the university— that is until lawsuits were filed and via a lengthy court process they’ve been able to gain the ability to earn money off their own name and likeness rather than other entities such as the schools being able to, but not themselves.

If a regular student that contributes nothing close to the same benefits to a university wants to get paid for providing a service to the School, are they told to work for free for for years and then you’ll have the chance to make money afterwards? Of course not. That is illegal.

The fact remains that the student athletes are only receiving a tiny fraction of the billions they are bringing in. And slowly but surely that is changing.
You didn’t answer. Do the players have a choice to refuse to play unless they get “compensated”? If they don’t like it then they can decide not to play.
 

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Many arent allowed to attend class regularly let alone get a degree.

They arent getting “free” anything- they are providing a service and much sacrifice of their minds, time, privacy and health, which is depositing millions into the schools coffers.

In return they are receiving about 8 % of the value being provided to the school if that. Room and board, books, meals, this is simply money transferred between depts. in an institution- its something that the athletes earned, not something they are given for nothing. It doesnt approach what they are bringing into these schools financially even just for tv contracts- not to mention additional students, donors and free exposure for the schools worth even more.
It's obvious you slipped out without getting a degree. Athletes are given every opportunity to attend classes and graduate. Your pompous liberal idiocracy is hilarious.
 
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Without the talented players Jay Wright is nothing. He’s apparently reaped enough millions off players backs at this point that he doesn’t need their money anymore— or maybe he has recruiting violations so he is getting out with his bag of money while he can.
So why should schools hire coaches? It's obvious you think players can do it without them.
 
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Without the talented players Jay Wright is nothing. He’s apparently reaped enough millions off players backs at this point that he doesn’t need their money anymore— or maybe he has recruiting violations so he is getting out with his bag of money while he can.
This coming from someone likely not a leader of people or someone whose day in and day out work is to produce results, and doesn't. What does your employer get from you in exchange for the income you get? If you aren't producing what you agreed to at the time of hiring, you need fired. Is there nothing you don't covet?
 

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It’s actually worse than denying the players $180,000 per year. Here is a report from Ohio State University that examined ALL football players at every institution in fbs.


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The most elite players in college football increase revenue for their school football programs by an average of $650,000 a year, a first-of-its-kind study suggests.

This is the money brought in by the highest-rated recruits coming out of high school – those given five stars by Rivals, a recruiting news service, according to researchers at The Ohio State University.

Four-star recruits generated about $350,000 a year and three-star recruits increased revenue by about $150,000, while two-star recruits actually reduced revenue by about $13,000 a year for college football programs, the study found.

Amid the continuing national debate about compensation for college athletes, this study offers the first solid numbers on the financial impact of players in the highest-revenue college sport, said Trevon Logan, co-author of the study and professor of economics at Ohio State.

“There have been a lot of numbers put out there about how much college athletes should get under various compensation proposals,” Logan said.

 

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This coming from someone likely not a leader of people or someone whose day in and day out work is to produce results, and doesn't. What does your employer get from you in exchange for the income you get? If you aren't producing what you agreed to at the time of hiring, you need fired. Is there nothing you don't covet?
You don’t know anything about me-and are obviously not intelligent. I’m not sure what exactly you are attempting to communicate. It’s obvious you aren’t even capable of leading yourself.
 

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You didn’t answer. Do the players have a choice to refuse to play unless they get “compensated”? If they don’t like it then they can decide not to play.
Do the players have a choice? A choice to play or not. Do you have a choice between earning a living doing what you know how to do and are skilled at doing, or doing nothing and starving to death?

Your question is not really a choice—. You either do it as it has been, or you die? Not really a choice as you pretend it is now, is it.

Why should they not be able to attempt to use their talents? So now you want to force them to provide free labor to enrich others or die? Really? You really have issues.
 

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Do the players have a choice? A choice to play or not. Do you have a choice between earning a living doing what you know how to do and are skilled at doing, or doing nothing and starving to death?

Your question is not really a choice—. You either do it as it has been, or you die? Not really a choice as you pretend it is now, is it.

Why should they not be able to attempt to use their talents? So now you want to force them to provide free labor to enrich others or die? Really? You really have issues.
Good Lord are you ever an ignorant ass. But coming from an anti white...anti American...anti truth "it" like you we understand.
 

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Do the players have a choice? A choice to play or not. Do you have a choice between earning a living doing what you know how to do and are skilled at doing, or doing nothing and starving to death?

Your question is not really a choice—. You either do it as it has been, or you die? Not really a choice as you pretend it is now, is it.

Why should they not be able to attempt to use their talents? So now you want to force them to provide free labor to enrich others or die? Really? You really have issues.
They can not play sports and end up earning a living. You are avoiding the answer. These schools aren’t forcing them to sign their scholarships. They can opt to not go and be athletes.
 
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They can not play sports and end up earning a living. You are avoiding the answer. These schools aren’t forcing them to sign their scholarships. They can opt to not go and be athletes.
I have not only not avoided any question, I’ve provided solid evidence to back up what I’m stating to prove it. You on the other hand, realizing your phony premise has been blown up, are now attempting to change the subject into whether or not a student athlete should be able to pursue the sort of “work” they are skilled and have trained to perform, or whether they can do something else to make a living? Not sure what your spin will achieve and it has nothing to do with The actual question. Are athletes be compensated for what they deliver to colleges and universities? Facts illustrate that they are NOT being compensated by universities despite your false premise that they are.
 

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The other obvious real question— would coaches like Jay Wright and universities like Villanova be pulling in the millions they do each year without the elite athletes? The answer is no, they would not. tv revenue, conference revenues, NCAA revenues, tournament revenues, admissions, sponsorships, endorsements, exposure and donations all reduce greatly without the elite talent.
 

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The other obvious real question— would coaches like Jay Wright and universities like Villanova be pulling in the millions they do each year without the elite athletes? The answer is no, they would not. tv revenue, conference revenues, NCAA revenues, tournament revenues, admissions, sponsorships, endorsements, exposure and donations all reduce greatly without the elite talent.
Lol...there are no "elite athletes ". An athlete is as athlete. In college they are student athletes. Student comes first. want to play for money and not an education head back to streets and play money ball 12 hours a day. The rest of this fairness crap is just new age progressive bullsttttt.
 

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Bucky, while I think you have no concept of how economics works, I'll grant that you are on to something here.

Let's begin with the idea of scarcity. You are correct - there is a scarcity of "elite" (as you put it) players out there. I'll also grant they should be paid for their services.

What someone is paid is based on their value. That value is based on supply vs. demand. Obviously, a starting QB at a major D-1 university has more value than the 3rd string defensive end. So, using free market principles, every school is free to determine what it will pay each player. That player can either accept that payment or not - correct?

To add, since an athlete is now being "paid", there is no longer a need for scholarships. Every athlete signs a contract. In that contract, his salary is stated. Also in that contract, other stipulations will be added. Things like what things the school must provide, the athlete himself must provide, and performance goals that must be met and the like.

So, out of that contract, the student must pay his own tuition, books, etc. just like any other student. He must pay for his own food, clothing, room and board, etc - right?

The school must meet all the items listed for their side in the contract or they will be in breach. The athlete must also meet all performance goals for his side, whether those be academic or on the field/court. If he doesn't, he's in breach and can be fired.

This is what you and I are advocating for - correct? Let the free market reign!
 

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Bucky, while I think you have no concept of how economics works, I'll grant that you are on to something here.

Let's begin with the idea of scarcity. You are correct - there is a scarcity of "elite" (as you put it) players out there. I'll also grant they should be paid for their services.

What someone is paid is based on their value. That value is based on supply vs. demand. Obviously, a starting QB at a major D-1 university has more value than the 3rd string defensive end. So, using free market principles, every school is free to determine what it will pay each player. That player can either accept that payment or not - correct?

To add, since an athlete is now being "paid", there is no longer a need for scholarships. Every athlete signs a contract. In that contract, his salary is stated. Also in that contract, other stipulations will be added. Things like what things the school must provide, the athlete himself must provide, and performance goals that must be met and the like.

So, out of that contract, the student must pay his own tuition, books, etc. just like any other student. He must pay for his own food, clothing, room and board, etc - right?

The school must meet all the items listed for their side in the contract or they will be in breach. The athlete must also meet all performance goals for his side, whether those be academic or on the field/court. If he doesn't, he's in breach and can be fired.

This is what you and I are advocating for - correct? Let the free market reign!
I'd say you have no concept of how economics works.

But let's look at your premise.

Free market principles. You are applying that to what a school wants to pay a player (of course). What about the worth the ATHLETE sees for themselves as their value? You've conveniently left that off. But regardless, NO every school is not free to determine what it will pay each player. Schools under the current set up CANNOT PAY players. The NCAA allows only (as mentioned) a relatively small stipend depending on the state and school in addition to the on paper only transfers of things within a university which do not affect the athletes pocketbook whatsoever.

If you are speaking of how it might be if the players received their worth, as with any position, certain things are provided such as materials or tools with which to do your job, a place to do it, etc.. I mean a school could tell these athletes they aren't going to pay for books, lodging, etc. but you can bet they won't get anyone to attend their school if so. And above that the NCAA provides that certain things are contained within a scholarship. Right now things are done per NCAA rules regarding scholarships and food, room and board are provided within a scholarship but the student athlete doesn't get money and then pay it, its just paper transfers within each university from dept. to dept.

Now again, the more you can offer a student athlete in a hypothetical situation, then you are more likely to gain the services of the best athletes and also to retain their services. But I would advocate for there to be a pay structure similar to the NFL system. as far as base pay i.e. starters recieve a certain amt per position, next in a certain amount and so forth and so on. Paid not by the schools, but by the NCAA which receives a certain amount from the conferences for this. Then, each school participates in a draft of some sort to gain the services. Therefore Alabama can't pay more than Cincinnati, and the same few schools can't be preselected by the networks to acquire ALL of the top players. There could be some minimal service requirement, of say one season before a player could transfer and also a certain number of transfers per student athlete. But certainly not a one sided absolute shut out of revenue sharing as exists currently.

All of college football would benefit-but some people pocketing large sums would possibly have to take a reduction.
 

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They can not play sports and end up earning a living. You are avoiding the answer. These schools aren’t forcing them to sign their scholarships. They can opt to not go and be athletes.
I haven't avoided anything. As you attempt to change the subject because you don't want to address that football and basketball players are NOT receiving their worth, you leave off conveniently what happens to the schools (and ADs, and coaches) budget if they don't recieve the services of these elite athletes. If players choose not to attend certain schools to just earn a living at something else, which ocassionally athletes have, then the schools income drops as do donations, exposure and everything else.
 

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I haven't avoided anything. As you attempt to change the subject because you don't want to address that football and basketball players are NOT receiving their worth, you leave off conveniently what happens to the schools (and ADs, and coaches) budget if they don't recieve the services of these elite athletes. If players choose not to attend certain schools to just earn a living at something else, which ocassionally athletes have, then the schools income drops as do donations, exposure and everything else.
Will the athlete be cut from the team if he doesn't meet expectations of the money given? Will said athlete pay a buyout if they decide to transfer or follow a coach changing jobs?

Bucky you're about as smart as our current dead head president.
 
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I have not only not avoided any question, I’ve provided solid evidence to back up what I’m stating to prove it. You on the other hand, realizing your phony premise has been blown up, are now attempting to change the subject into whether or not a student athlete should be able to pursue the sort of “work” they are skilled and have trained to perform, or whether they can do something else to make a living? Not sure what your spin will achieve and it has nothing to do with The actual question. Are athletes be compensated for what they deliver to colleges and universities? Facts illustrate that they are NOT being compensated by universities despite your false premise that they are.
If I want to be an engineer. And I’ve already worked in the field under an engineer and have all the knowledge needed, but want to go back to get my degree, will the university pay me to attend? Since I have the skills?

What you fail to understand is that in a free market the worker has every right and opportunity to refuse to provide services if the compensation is not satisfactory. If the players aren’t happy about getting $40,000+ per year to attend school, while other students with academic skills are paying, then they can workout and train and prepare to go professional.
 

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Really surprises me, but it appears this new landscape is sending some coaches home and who couldn’t blame them?

Self has the most experience of paying players
so in the future conference affiliations might not be designed by geography or values but by who has the biggest tv market or businesses that can provide NIL bucks......sorry state of affairs
 
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Most employees have to pay for their uniforms, safety equipment and work boots (for example). How much money does it take to provide the helmet(s) pads, and at least 3 different game uniforms and cleats to wear? Let’s not forget the cost to ship out the helmets each year to test and certify each one.
Who pays for the napping chairs, weight training equipment, training staff salary, locker room, study hall, tutoring, game rooms, hot tub, medical staff, managers, coaching staff, support staff, councilors, blocking sled, practice field, ac and heat for indoor practice building, sweat suits, polos, jackets, tote bags, maintenance on the stadium, locker rooms, training room, the construction bonds and or loans for all the sports related buildings, the list goes on and on.

Who pays for all that Bucky? You make it sound like Brown, Huggins and Lyons just pocket everything and whip the players if they ask for a drop of water.
 
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You don’t know anything about me-and are obviously not intelligent. I’m not sure what exactly you are attempting to communicate. It’s obvious you aren’t even capable of leading yourself.
I am intelligent enough to say you are not an elite athlete or athlete to be compensated for anything or not a Jay Wright level coach or leader of people to produce Jay Wright results, but rather a self-appointed message board guru wanting rules in place that rarely do what they are intended to do. You've got nothing grounded in experience on this issue except your keyboard. Until you are intelligent to speak on this issue, you stay dumb.
 

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I'd say you have no concept of how economics works.

But let's look at your premise.

Free market principles. You are applying that to what a school wants to pay a player (of course). What about the worth the ATHLETE sees for themselves as their value? You've conveniently left that off. But regardless, NO every school is not free to determine what it will pay each player. Schools under the current set up CANNOT PAY players. The NCAA allows only (as mentioned) a relatively small stipend depending on the state and school in addition to the on paper only transfers of things within a university which do not affect the athletes pocketbook whatsoever.

If you are speaking of how it might be if the players received their worth, as with any position, certain things are provided such as materials or tools with which to do your job, a place to do it, etc.. I mean a school could tell these athletes they aren't going to pay for books, lodging, etc. but you can bet they won't get anyone to attend their school if so. And above that the NCAA provides that certain things are contained within a scholarship. Right now things are done per NCAA rules regarding scholarships and food, room and board are provided within a scholarship but the student athlete doesn't get money and then pay it, its just paper transfers within each university from dept. to dept.

Now again, the more you can offer a student athlete in a hypothetical situation, then you are more likely to gain the services of the best athletes and also to retain their services. But I would advocate for there to be a pay structure similar to the NFL system. as far as base pay i.e. starters recieve a certain amt per position, next in a certain amount and so forth and so on. Paid not by the schools, but by the NCAA which receives a certain amount from the conferences for this. Then, each school participates in a draft of some sort to gain the services. Therefore Alabama can't pay more than Cincinnati, and the same few schools can't be preselected by the networks to acquire ALL of the top players. There could be some minimal service requirement, of say one season before a player could transfer and also a certain number of transfers per student athlete. But certainly not a one sided absolute shut out of revenue sharing as exists currently.

All of college football would benefit-but some people pocketing large sums would possibly have to take a reduction.
Let's try this again...

You have come onto this forum advocating for the players to be paid, on top of and beyond what they are already receiving from the university in the form of scholarships, etc. I, as well as others, claim that the scholarship is simply payment enough because they are getting services above and beyond what every other student who isn't an athlete is getting.

I then simply took your premise to its forgone conclusion.

First, I understand the model as it is now. I support that model. You, on the other hand, do not support said model and wish for it to be changed. You want to introduce free market principles into the equation, while simultaneously adding socialist and communistic principles also. More on that in a minute...

Let's start with a hypothetical player. We'll call him X. X believes he has this value or worth. What X believes has little to do with the situation because the purse strings will be controlled by the university. The market and the university determine the players worth, not him. You want to take away that worth, and instead of the market determining it, you want some governmental institution (NCAA) to determine it. That's socialistic in nature. No player worth his salt would ever entertain such a notion. Why would a Trevor Lawrence ever agree to be paid the same as Jarret Doege?

Now, under your premise, X is going to get paid. Here's another thing you missed. X is no longer an AMATEUR; he is now a PROFESSIONAL. An employee of said university. As such, X is under contract. Since the university holds the purse strings, the university writes the contract. It can put any number of clauses into that contract. You say no athlete will sign a contract that doesn't include room and board, meal plans, etc. Wanna bet? Say X is offered a contract with 3 times the pay that WVU can offer but with those stipulations. You believe he's smart enough to do a cost analysis to determine the best deal? Or will he simply look at the bottom line and sign. With what people understand today about economics, I know what choice will be made. If you're Penn State and offer that, you simply put in X's ear that since WVU is providing you with meal plans then WVU determines when, where, and what you eat. If they are providing you with the room and board, WVU determines where you live, who you live with, and what time you have to be in bed. No bars, no house parties, no college experience. All of which may or may not be true because of the contract. You're advocating taking away his basic freedoms with your premise.

Now, on to the NCAA. They are already a paper tiger. What will become of them after this? The NCAA controlled amateur athletics. This is now a semi-pro league. They are out - for good. The university, since they control the purse strings and write the contract, and as employer, make the rules. X can either accept those terms or go somewhere else - unless you are in charge.

Additionally, here's where your argument really goes off the rails. You've already removed a very important component of free market capitalism - choice. Under your plan, X is now subject to a draft. Suppose X wants to be a chemical engineer, but the university he's drafted to doesn't offer it? What now? Why are you punishing X by taking away his CHOICE in the matter? Easy, you want to punish the Bama's, OSU's, UT's, etc. because of their money and success. All in the guise of "equity". On top of all that, you want to take away his ability to transfer schools with even stricter rules you arbitrarily put into place. You want free market on one hand, but want to make X even more a slave with your communistic demands for equity.

One more while I'm at it. You want to take away WVU's ability to pay a player and give it to the NCAA. Again, to make things more equitable. So, why should Kansas, who doesn't draw but a few thousand fans to any football game, be given the same amount of money to pay players that Texas, who sells out the majority of their games, gets? Seem fair? Equitable? So, you're advocating stealing from Peter to pay Paul when Paul brings little to the situation?

Suppose Fan A likes the current model. He likes amateur athletics. He wants to see X do well on the field, in the classroom, and beyond. Under your model, there is no loyalty to a team, no dedication from said player, no incentive to do well or improve his craft because he's getting a "base" salary just for being there. What is there for Fan A to support anymore? Number 84 this year likely will not be number the same number 84 next year. Why give money and time to support that when the Steelers are just down the road and win more often at a likely cheaper price.

I could go on and on. Probably will at some point. Just wanted you to see how you didn't think through your premise, and as the evidence I've put forth above has shown, I've taken each of your views and turned them on their head. Think things through next time you challenge someone's understanding, especially when your own lack of knowledge is so readily apparent.
 

Butler-eer

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Many arent allowed to attend class regularly let alone get a degree.

They arent getting “free” anything- they are providing a service and much sacrifice of their minds, time, privacy and health, which is depositing millions into the schools coffers.

In return they are receiving about 8 % of the value being provided to the school if that. Room and board, books, meals, this is simply money transferred between depts. in an institution- its something that the athletes earned, not something they are given for nothing. It doesnt approach what they are bringing into these schools financially even just for tv contracts- not to mention additional students, donors and free exposure for the schools worth even more.
FB brings money. Men's BB also. What about the other 11 sports.
 

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Obviously courts, both conservative and progressive have found that the student athletes do indeed have a case and are being illegally held back from earnings.

Greed and not a little bit of racism have played a large part in keeping athletes from getting anything for a long time, but that cat is out of the bag and is going to continue to change.

If the only way you can be happy is for others to suffer for your entertainment, then you have a very bleak future ahead.
 

Rootmaster

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Obviously courts, both conservative and progressive have found that the student athletes do indeed have a case and are being illegally held back from earnings.

Greed and not a little bit of racism have played a large part in keeping athletes from getting anything for a long time, but that cat is out of the bag and is going to continue to change.

If the only way you can be happy is for others to suffer for your entertainment, then you have a very bleak future ahead.
Lol...you libtards are sooooooooooooo predictable. Wondered how long it would be before you started playing your anti white racist and people of color are victims cards. Go downtown Philly...Racelanta...or Gangcago and watch some street ball. Take your progressive, country destroying ideas with you and return college sports to real student athletes. Too funny.